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Magdalen's Reprieve by Lise Eleanor - Drama - For more than 50 years, discussion about the Dead Sea Scrolls content has centered around the relationship between Mary Magdalen and Jesus. But, the ancient "diary" Margot finds hidden in a bizarre-looking antique table takes that relationship to the highest level of truth - a truth to be talked about for the next millennium! (Based on a mostly true story with full permissions.) - pdf** format.
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If John was Jesus and Jesus was John, then who was the person that baptized Jesus? And when John tells his disciples "behold the lamb of God"(reffering to Jesus) then who is he talking about? Himself?!!!!. No doubt you have the ability to write, but your idea is absolute rubbish! I think that you're reading too many new world order books. Apart from the illogical plot the screenplay is rather dull and monotonous. You're not a bad writer though.
Hello. I respect your questions and thank you for asking. Christ (as in Jesus the Christ) is originally a title - any good dictionary can confirm that. That means more than one person was entitled to it. In the political arena were five primary sects (Zealots, Pharisees, Saduccees, Nazarites and Essenes), each with a "leader", or a "Christ" (chosen; anointed). John (one Jesus - the political forerunner, or "people's choice") was accepting into his arena another "Jesus", one who represented the Pharisees. Which is why John is so surprised. It was kinda like the leader of the Liberals suddenly giving up the gauntlet and joining the Conservatives, which would be a surprise to the Conservatives!
If you look at 1st-century art (catacombs under Rome), you will find much proof that not everything in the man-revised versions of these documents is on the up and up. For example, there were actually only seven people at the last supper, a man and woman at the head table and five others! And you will also find much art depicting John with a lamb - you'd be hard-pressed to find early Christian art depicting John without the lamb! HE was the lamb. Have you never asked yourself: Why didn't John's disciples join with Jesus' if Jesus was "the man"?
What "Magdalen's Reprieve" does is show there is more to the history than we're taught by the reigning dogmas. I was baptized Roman Catholic, raised Jehovah's Witness and attended Protestant school. I've been reading ancient Bibles in five languages since I was seven. And, the day I questioned how it was possible that Cain obtained a wife and was told not to question things I didn't understand, that was the day I began questioning everything.
The most valuable thing I learned was this: Religion is man-made, designed to control and dominate, prejudiced and hateful. Spirituality is God-made, full of freedom and choice, tolerance and love. Who do you trust?
I've always found belief (as in, "I believe . . .") is often confused with knowledge (as in, "I know . . ."). An easy example is the BELIEF in the 1400s that the world was flat even though, 1200 years before that, everyone KNEW it was round. Just because the Dark Ages dogma said the earth was flat, didn't make it so.
Dr. Timothy Leary said, "Think for yourself! Question everything!" Perhaps this is one of those tid-bits of wisdom that hit the cutting-room floor at the Nicean Council of 325 AD!
Havah, there's lots,lots,lots of books out there in the market claiming that Magdalene was Jesus's lover and they had children and they went to live in France, and Jesus never died and....and ..and....The only new thing that your script brings is that John the Baptist was Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ was John the Baptist. I mean what comes next?...that Jesus was gay may be?....or that he was an extra terrestrial? I'm a Greek christian orthodox and as I was a very good student I can read the new testament in the ancient Greek prototype. According to your script all the books that you're taking information from are correct apart from the officially accepted new testament. Anyway there's lots of people out there who hate what is called church and look for big conspiracies because there lives are monotonous and meaningless. So your script could appeal to some people but I can only imagine it as a TV film shown after midnight or at four in the afternoon. Don't take it as me being nasty to you. I wish you all the best because you can surely write and I'm sure that you put a lot of effort writing it.
Nice of you to write again. You are absolutely correct in the volume of data that is surfacing on this issue. And though the script does table one critically new truth on the subject, more importantly, it lays out the facts in A, B, C format so that ANYONE can go to their local library and check it out for themselves. In fact, I deliberately set it up so the majority of facts could be proven with any Bible (considering 95 per cent of world households own one). I thought simple accessiblity provided the easiest burden of proof.
I have been wonderfully surprised at the wide range of favorable interest this script has received. Why, just this afternoon I received communication from a potential, legitimate producer who wants to transit the script to film. I only posted my scripts wide to the industry 15 days ago and the response has been over-whelming! My knees feel like jello!
I never doubted the script would sell. I was more concerned about the message getting around the fast-track - which it is.
Well as I said, I sincerely wish you good luck. Different people have different opinions. I strongly believe that "Scarface " is the best movie of all time. I have a friend who strongly believes that "Jackass the movie" is the best movie of all time. I'm sure that you strongly believe that some other movie is the best movie of all time. With regards to your script I believe that some flashbacks to the time when these things have supposedly happened would be advisable. You'll have to cut other scenes though because your script is already 138 pages long,that means 138 minutes long. I didn't understand the ACT thing. Act 1, Act,2....what's that? At some points I believe that you're bombarding your audience with information and that's just not "cinematic" You shouldn't have numbered the scenes too.
lol . . . you're so sweet . . . I agree that opinion is a matter of personal choice. I humbly concede to that. The reason I am laughing is this:
"Magdalen's Reprieve" was supposed to be a 1,000-page, 6-pitch print book with one hundred glossy color fine art renderings called "The Known, Little-known and Unknown John the Baptist" (you get the idea). One day a friend asked me why I wasn't finishing the book, to which I said it was too dense to realistically be published. "Too many images", I said. Her reply, "Then why don't you write a script?"
So, six months ago, I went to the used bookstore and bought Syd Field's "The Screenwriter's Workbook". Lesson by lesson I followed his book. Ten days later, "Magdalen's Reprieve" (Alpha Trilogy 1) was born. Forteen days after that, "Luz's Key" (Alpha Trilogy 2) was completed. Director Roman Buchok ("Relic Hunter", etc.) was kind enough to review MRep, gave it a major "thumbs up", and I took it from there.
So, I'm laughing because I didn't know NOT to number the scenes! And the "ACT thing" you mention is something else I didn't know I should not include in the structure! Lol. When I asked Roman about it several months ago, all he said was, "You've written a master script".
As you can see, I fully admit I am new to this film industry "norm". I am grateful to people like you who are willing to take the time and tell me what it is I can do to make my work its best.
A-ha!!! Now I know that I'm conversing with a phenomenon!( an ancient Greek word,by the way). Apart from the fact that your script is going to change the history of this planet and massive religious hysteria is going to spread all over the world, I have to praise you for your writting skills also! You must be the first script writer in history who writes her first script in 10 days and that happens to be the FINAL SHOOTING SCRIPT! How about some camera angles? You forgot them! When Steven Spielberg starts to direct your script and decides to change the scene numbers, you tell him " NO, don't touch this. This is a "master script". It's my first script and I wrote it in 10 days,so the scene numbers are absolutely correct" . As coherent as your script was!
Actually, Roman told me that the scene numbers just act as a register, kind of. And as the script gets changed (rewrites, etc) the scene numbers will become As, Bs, etc to denote changes to the script. It is easy to write a script that is based on truth. It took me 8 weeks to write "Daughters . . ." because it's fiction. I find it difficult to invent things and keep them consistent and believable, as opposed to writing fact. Don't be surprised that I wrote me first scripts so quickly. I knew the data contained therein so well, I could tell it to you in my sleep. I have had 20 years of hard-core research on this topic to write from.
I read that it is not uncommon for scriptwriters to write a full script, from outline, in about 2 months if they really know their material. I was a journalist for 10 years, writing to deadline, getting the facts, etc. It was phenomenal training!
Please understand, I am really wowed and frightened by this transition. I actually sent my script to ONE place, waited 30 days and was going to send it to ONE more film company. Then Castle-Rock told me I could send it wide. So, this is all very much a learning process for me and I'm trying to take it slow. I'm a "recluse" and the thought of going into crowds, etc, terrifies me. And my agent is aware of all this, as I was very direct with her about it and my intentions in this industry. I am a research writer. That's who I am and that's what I do. I have no interest in selling myself. Let the work stand on its own merit. Roman said it was written well enough to do exactly that, and that was how I originally intended it to be. I guess what I am saying here sounds very naive, but I did not chose to write scripts to get into the film industry. Rather, you could say I chose the film industry to get the story to the public. As Marshall McLuen said, "The message is the medium."
Could you please tell me about the ACTs thing. Is it currently acceptable, or the new norm, not to include them? I'm getting ready to write my 4th script, the final instalment of the Alpha Trilogy. If there is something I should know before I get writing, please advise.
My favorite hobby is reading scripts. I must have read at least 500 produced scripts many of them final shooting scripts. I've never come across the ACT thing. The best way to learn how to write scripts is to read final shooting scripts. It takes only 4 hours to read an 130 page script.
I went to the used book store that specializes in university/academic material. I read quite a number of scripts there, which I followed as a format. But, since I last replied to you here, I've learned that it must be an older-style format. I have also been reading other peoples' scripts and found certain elements that I feel are proper format (ie: keeping ACTION to a minimal description - I realize now that MRep is too wordy). I'm sure that will come up in the topic of "re-write" when I get to that stage. I also get the impression that each studio has its own unique formula as to what they consider a "final script". So, as you can see, I'm learning from my mistakes as I go. I can only hope that the mistakes are forgivable, easy to change and moderately painless.
I'm sorry that you take such great offense at something so obvious. You can only be angry if you feel I've threatened your current perspective about your beliefs.
The Protestant ministries are already telling their congregations the truth: Jesus and MaryM were married. Read the unadulterated Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hamaddi collection.
By being angry with me, you are angry about the truth. I didn't create the truth - it was already there. I just discovered it. You could say I've found the richest mine deposit in the world - TRUTH - and slowly, but carefully, I bring its many faceted beauty to the surface where it can be looked upon by all.
Your post assumes too many things, in error. It's time for you to look elsewhere to blame. I didn't do this to you. Your faith in man did. Maybe God's shaking up that faith of yours so you can stop believing in dogma and begin knowing God.
Ever ask yourself just how arrogant it is: DOGMA spelled backwards is AM GOD!
As Jesus/John once said, "You have eyes. Use them."
For the sake of others, and in respect for my Great Creator, I will not engage in a war with you over this. You temperament is extremely hostile and this conversation can only become somewhat ugly.
I respect your opinion. Obviously, you cannot return the same Godlike courtesy. We'll leave it at that.
Oh please, spare me the condescension! You want to play the role of the iconoclast, and you wish we all just play nicy- nice...recognizing our intellectual superior here and willing submitting to her discoveries/teachings. PRICELESS...LOL
I’m no mental midget, Babe. I can see very clearly what you’re attempting to do. You are what ancient Greeks would call Sophist – I’m sure you’re familiar w/ the word.
You want us to believe you have something here that equates to a mathematics equation i.e. you’ve plugged in the necessary variables and produced this sum – VIOLA! PROOF!... WRONG!
You want us to believe the Vatican uses hired assassins to rid the earth of all who discovers “the Truth”? And to lend credence to your dribble you invoke the chold molestation scandle i.e. if the Vatican will protect child molesters... is it so hard to believe they would hire assassins? Disgusting...
What you’ve done is draw your own inferences from some very sketchy, circumspect Biblical/historical writings.
I am no authority on the Bible... but I know [as we all do] that over the last 1000 years it has been interpreted to commit all sorts of atrocities – i.e. it’s all in the interpretation.
And finally, w/ regard to your use of ancient historians - Josephes and Tacitus - to support own pre-conceived notion (prejudice) about Christianity...
Josephus was a turncoat Jew. While the Romans were seeking to massacre 10’s of thousands of Jews in rebellion (A.D. 67), Josephus went to the side of the Romans, and was richly rewarded for doing so. When he wrote his histories, he did so with an aim to please the Romans, whom he now willing prostrated himself before, and also try to excuse his traitorous reputation among his own people.
And w/ regard to Tacitus, what you deliberately failed to point out, is that most of Tacitus’ Histories have been lost.
Your script has ZERO commercial worth. Why don't you just pull it and BURN it. MOVE ON...
p.s. In the Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck not so subtly promoted the beneficence of Communism...over Democracy
Um I am not sure if this is on topic but if the bible is supposed to happen when did they find the time to write all this stuff down and pass it on through the ages so one day we could read it all, Yeah that happened... I believe now
I know opinions are opinions and all this Jesus and god bull that people spew down the throats of society turning all who will listen into blabbering fools... For god, I don't want to incur his wrath
If Jesus were real and all that happened to him like the books say it does, I just simply want to know how the stories are true when man can't even play that game where you send a message from one guy around a circle and it always comes out different
If it makes me a bad man for thinking Jesus and god and Satan are children’s fairy tales to make us go to church and get molested by Priests well somebody needs to rethink the religion they follow
Don will probably moderate this post because I told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me... And than there were 0
Just because this data isn't taught in Sunday school doesn't make it wrong. Go get your dictionary and look up the definition of the word "Christ". It's originally a TITLE "Jesus the Christ". It wasn't his NAME.
You say you are no Bible expert. Well, I am. I know my Bible in at least five languages, was spoon-fed it as a child, slept with it under my pillow and own copies four hundred years old! Though I began crawling with GOD, I quickly learned to walk with GOD and now we're in the marathon. Do not presume to judge me!
As to Vatican discrepancies - look to the catacombs beneath Rome - 1st century depictions of a seven-person last supper, a John the Baptist baptizing a child "Jesus", etc.. Look in the Siena Cathedral in Rome - yes, the Holier than Thou Vatican Headquarters itself (reminds me of CHAOS in "Get Smart") - and you will find the bronze replicate statue titled "John the Baptist" with ALL the wounds of the Christ and then some!
But, here's one of a thousand evidences that hit my cutting room floor and did not make the script, from the Infancy Gospel of James 22, 23:
"When Herod realised he had been duped by the atrologers, he flew into a rage and dispatched his executioners with instructions to kill all the infants two years old and younger.
"As for Elizabeth, when she heard they were looking for John, she took him and went up into the hill country.
"Herod, though, kept looking for John and sent his agents to Zechariah serving at the altar with this message for him: Where have you hidden your son?"
Notice it says "John", not "Jesus". It keeps going like this and eventually Herod's agents murder John's father in the courtyard by the altar (mentioned later in the New Testament Scriptures by "Jesus" when he talks about the innocent blood spilled from Abel to the courtyard by the altar). This is the murder that brought Joseph (of Arimathea) into the picture to care for MaryM (since Zechariah was her legal guardian), Elizabeth and John.
So, you see, there's lots you don't know, for someone so ready to burn me at the stake.
FLASHBACK - pyres of the Inquisition
As to Josephus, I agree with you - to a degree - that he was a "turncoat Jew". But, if you factor into the equation that he is the offspring of John and MaryM, his position politically becomes clearer, as do his motives and agenda.
As to Tacitus, though most of his writings are "lost" to the public domaine, his writings live in those of other reliable historians and in private collections.
I think you consider this to be a religion bashing piece. That's not it. My objective is to dispel myths - sacred, or other.
Better not read part two, "Luz's Key" - it proves Noah's Ark is the Great Pyramid! Oh, and part three, "Inside Urim", don't read that one when it's posted either. It tells how the Ark of Covenant is actually an ancient natural power source based in piezzo-electromagnetic energy.
Please refrain from replying if you are going to continue to be belligerent. It's pointless as I will not respond to such hollow rants about so hallow a subject. However, I am quite content to discuss this in a respectful and civil manner. Remember, GOD's here, "whereever two or more are gathered in My Name, there I Am also." . . . At the least, respect that.
You are so right. Through the ages, things have been altered. It is for that reason that any good researcher doesn't rely on only one source. My data is collected from thousands of sources - mostly extremely old.
An example of deliberate alteration is this: the story of Noah's ark in most Bibles makes it sound like a box-shaped ship. But, the Greek Bible version (one of the oldest versions) says it was also fashioned to a point at the top. Why isn't this in any other Bibles? Because it causes conflict, and conflict makes recruitment more difficult.
Religion is as manipulative as politics. But, remember, religion is man-made, spirituality is God-made. Stick with that.
From the Gospel of Thomas:
"Split the wood, I am beside you. Lift the stone, I am among you."
In other words, you don't need religion to find favor, and a direct relationship, with GOD. Think of it this way: Being the Great Parent, would we children be expected to communicate any other way than directly?
Like you say, that game, Broken Telephone . . .
And I agree with you that religion is a bunch of ritualistic BS designed to control the emotional state of the masses. It's a crippling state of affairs.
Thanks for speaking honestly. Though it may cost you a place on a pole next to me...
Well they don't burn people on any stake anymore so I guess you're safe, plus this is the world of the internet and stakes a really non existant on here
If people like Michael Jackson and R Kelly can walk around free than what's wrong with you telling the truth? Nothing, absolutely nothing
Okay, I understand you now. It all makes sense...Your character, Margot=Lise
Let me play psycho-babbler for a few moments, and I’m not at all attempting to be mean-spirited...
-- Margot is 40, tho I would say U are late 40’s... -- U killed Frank off (and so violently, Margot/Lise?), so I would surmise you are not married, and never hv been.
-- Since U introduced your mother in the script, I would therefore speculate that U live w/ her -- U are a starving artist...likely w/ a part-time job -- Sally is the girlfriend you’ve always longed for, to share your epic struggle against what U see Religion as it really is: a male created organization- a lie - that is designed to oppress the masses, and particularly females. -- U are a very lonely person – an Iconoclast ALWAYS is...
I can go deeper here but I wont. Better things to do...
Really, Margot/Lise, move on... Little ol Lise is NOT going to bring down the entire Vatican. LOL
Really... this is Strike Three. You've presented wrong data in all your posts. As to your psycho-babble, I can only guess either you failed, or never took, psychology.
1. You're wrong about my age by approximately 10 years (my picture is on my web site). 2. I am married to a wonderful man, professional welder, for the past eight years. We are totally in LOVE. 3. My mother has been dead for more than 25 years! 4. I am financially independent and own a registered company. 5. Sally IS my girlfriend (real name different), and Catholicism casts women completely aside (Jesus embraced them, especially children). 6. I am the happiest, most satisfied, person I have ever known. If I die immediately after sending this post, I'll smile having been blessed with the wisdom of Solomon and the experience of being truly loved by someone I can truly love.
Go as deep as you can. Hopefully you will find your path to that same satisfaction.
You shouldn't be turning a screenplay discussion into a personal attack white wolf, it's 1 thing to preach your beliefs it's another to attack someone.
I hit a Home Run! I’ll hit instant re-play and slow it down for you...
What did I do? I made ‘inferences’ drawn from what you wrote. I did exactly what you did, didn’t I?
The only difference is that my ‘inferences’ can be disproved...
You are attempting to form conclusions from specious and or vague references. This is called inductive reasoning. This type of reasoning process would never be accepted in any educated circles. Perhaps that is why you have been reduced to this form of medium, as you have discovered you have been able to interest no audience.
There is an old saying: It is NOT what ‘is’ that counts, but rather how one ‘perceives’ what is. Get it?
I am done w/ this thread. I hope U take my advice and stop wasting precious time on such foolishness. e.g.
I have no aversions to discussing this topic. In fact, I encourage it, because one of two things will happen - either you reaffirm your own beliefs or adopt new ones. Either way, you grow and become closer to God. Isn't that the point?
Perhaps you need to look at the images with your own eyes so you can duly compare them side by side. Here are three URLS. Open each in a separate window and keep them all open at the same time. The first is the Shroud of Turin image. You can clearly see the decapitation mark across the throat. The second is the list of associated facial markings (wound IDs) used in art circles to identify "Jesus" in art. Each mark can be found on the Shroud image. The third image is of the mythical John the Baptist sculpture with all the markings of the wounds of the Christ AND is the very sculpture from which the Siena Cathedral JB statue was cast in bronze.
I also recommend you read Joseph Wheless's "Forgery in Christianity". Wheless was a 1920's court Judge, and bencher. He made a "federal case" against organized Christianity's doctrines and dogma, proving beyond reseasonable doubt that Christianity's origins were steeped in forgeries and fraudulent materials. It's a marvellous body of writing that heavily relies on the extant documentation of various historians, etc.
I also suggest you read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and "The Messyanic Legacy" by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh & Henry Lincoln, for the full poop on the Vatican and its mercenary underling organization(s).
Lawrence Gardiner is another author very on top of the facts associated with this particular time in history.
Anyway, your first post was peppered with violence and the attack made against me was unnecessary. Instead of being so "holier than thou" in your attitude towards me, why not just discuss cordially?
I would think you might want to show your Christian side by maintaining a civil level of banter.
And if anyone should give up this foolishness, it is you, since you are the one who sees it that way. Most don't. In fact, you're the first person to "attack" me about "Magdalen's Reprieve". Others have highly praised its content (even though I'm still tweaking format and talking heads scenes).
In this day and age of revelation, exposure and scandal, you might want to take your defensive position down a notch to say, Yellow Alert, and take a look at ALL the evidences available. Mine is but a small portion of that truth.
I truly hope you find your peace. You're on the right road, simply by having questioned what you know versus what I've presented.
The only reason you haven't been banned from this discussion group as a troll is because of Ha'vah.
Please try and contrain yourself to the issues, rather than emotional reaction. This is a discussion about a script. Last comment on the issue. talk to the script. Talk about the script. Any more personalizing and not even Ha'vah can save you.
I think you will both be pleased to know that "Magdalen's Reprieve" will be going into pre-production, it seems, next month. The prodco wants to go DTV.
This is the deal I mentioned to you in late January, Don. They're waiting for the overseas funds to clear the Patriot Act, and then we're "off and running".
Being new to the processes of film making, I'm unclear as to how soon it will be on video. But, from what I've been told, probably one year.
So, you see, this is just one more reason why White Wolf is not a "concern". He's just another opinion, and I'm sure it reflects a portion of the reaction "Magdalen's Reprieve" will recieve once released in film.
For me, this is just another training exercise. Since White Wolf is not the only person who will react this way, he's practice for me for when the rest of his "type" do swarm the issue.
First, I must clarify I did not say anything about it being a hoax. I suggested he read a book written by a judge which proves conclusively that parts of religious dogma and doctrine are based on contrived, or erroneous, data. There's an excellent example the judge includes, which I verified, that proves that the translator of the scriptures (Jerome 400 A.D.) accidentally mistranslated an important word. When he realised his error, he brought it to the attention of the impratur. Jerome was told to just forget it, it was too late to make any changes.
What was the transliteration error Jerome tried to correct? That the word translated in error as "virgin" really meant "woman of child-bearing capability". So, the doctrine professing absolute faith that "Jesus" was born of a "virgin" is based in error. "Jesus" was actually born of a "woman of child-bearing capability" - which is no miracle, since that's how we all got here.
So, Christianity isn't a hoax. But some of the things expected to be believed without question, are contrived and should be questioned.
The Catholic institution has always had its own henchman all through history. The Church condemns hoards of people to death throughout the ages and has other people carry out its judgment. Does this qualify as "the Vatican really hires hitmen"? I'd have to say so, though back then they were more mercs than anything. However, evidence has been tabled that shows this statement to be quite true, in fact, the origins of the CIA have been linked directly to the Vatican. Are we surprised? Not any more. Sixteen-hundred years of slaughter and mayhem in the name of God, and suddenly we question if the Vatican orders the death of people?
I'm sorry. I didn't avoid the questions. I simply did not respond to a false accusation. I never said Christianity was a hoax. Those were white wolf's choice of words. What I did do was list two books he could check for himself to make an INFORMED decision about such matters, instead of simply ranting glib.
Well, the script is still there (or here: http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-drama/m-1073831578/s-0/) and it did seem to cause a fuss at the time. The POV image gallery is gone though. I never read the script, but I read through the thread. I've read most of what she referenced and have my opinions about her conclusions.
As for production, I can't find anything on IMDB. Its writer isn't up either removing the possibility of a title change.
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