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rymatt
Posted: March 23rd, 2006, 5:25pm Report to Moderator
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What about:

A Time to Start or Time to Start


Now I would think of Bruce Willis as Hall and Naomi Watts as Veronica, again, you think of me as insane.

What is your new one about?
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yusuke007
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It's a start, but I really need something that appeals to the story itself.  Thanks for the try.
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Stephen Wegmann
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I stopped reading this on page 5 or so.  I don't care how great it might get, but I wouldn't get there because you've got to fix up your format. Huge paragraphs, camerawork, too many rileys and dialogue shouldn't be done with character: <no colon. Sorry if I sound like a bastard but I think people should know what a script looks like before they try and write one.  Also, 143 pages?


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I'm really sorry you feel that way, unfortunately, i've been busy and haven't had time to fix it all.  I just don't understand how you can be bothered by : after a character's name.  And how 143 pages could bother you?  When you write something, you just let it flow, no matter what it is, it's your opinion whether or not you want to read it. When i get some time to fix it, I'll fix it, and if you haven't read the posts before you, I already know that I have to fix them, so I'm sorry that I sound like a bastard, but if a few minor details bother you, than don't read it, plain and simple.  And rymatt, the script is under the drama section of the unproduced scripts.
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MAC
Posted: March 26th, 2006, 11:39pm Report to Moderator
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Greetings. A few thoughts on formatting from someone with absolutely NO background in film or any of the arts for that matter. I read a little about how to format then bought Final Draft so I didn't have to think about it while writing.
Yes, proper formatting is absolutely essential if you expect an industry person to read your script. So are proper front and back cover, the correct brass brads, etc..
But frankly, that is all mechanical stuff. All the spit and polish in the world won't change a bad story into a good one. Personally I ignore all that stuff when reading an unproduced script unless it is distracting.
Just my opinion. I could be wrong. (tip of the hat to Dennis Miller)
Haven't read your script yet but it's on the to-do list.
                                           Rich B.
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Stephen Wegmann
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I understand that the story is important too (of course) but I think the story and formatting go hand in hand for a script.  The better the format, the better the read.  Also, 143 pages is OK for a 1st draft but you've got to shorten it.  I'll read the rest.


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kkvg85
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yo...i read it, and i give it a B. you range from really great dialogue to really corny dialogue. and what wegmann said above. it isn't that he was being impolite, but rather he was being truthful. an exec would toss your script in a heartbeat, no offense, but ":" can be annoying to some people. and the exec wouldn't even consider being polite about it at all, no matter how good the story is. wegmann said it best: the better the format, the better the read. it's just the way it is all run though. however keep up the good work. i think ima read it again.
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MAC
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Considering the positive reviews this script has received I was reluctant to post a reply. Reluctant because I don't want the forum to get the impression that I enjoy writing bad reviews. But I must give an honest opinion. Check out my replies to EXPECTING and AMERICAN DREAM. I liked them. That said.......

(1) I feel this script could be about half as long and still tell the story without losing anything interesting. For lack of a better word, it rambles.
(2) The dialogue is unbelievable. It's like a Japanese movie poorly dubbed in English.
(3) Lots of inconsistancies. Example: Veronica says she never achieved her goal to play pro tennis because she had to care for her dying mother. But later on she's going to play in the French open. ??????
(4) In order to write a believable script the writer must have a working knowledge of anything he puts in the story.

The bit about jamming a semi-auto pistol by pushing back the slide is true. I know. I checked with a cop friend.

Heller says the call on his cell phone, which interrupted the meeting, was from a telemarketer. Have you ever gotten a call from a telemarketer on your cell phone? I haven't, nor anyone I know. That's because telemarketers call numbers that are listed in phone directories. Cell phones are not listed.

If Sanitori was late with his payment to the mob, be it a loan or extortion, they wouldn't whack him. It's bad business. He can't pay up if he's dead. Instead they would make him sign over his restaurant and work off the loan. Of course they keep raising the interest so he's trapped forever. Ref: Sopranos, et al.

All in all I thought this script was hastily written and sloppy.
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yusuke007
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Well, I have to thank you for the comment.  It made me relize that I forgot the first rule of writing, 'write about what you know.'  But, I have to tell you that telemarketers do call cell phones, I've ahd it happen a couple of times.
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George Willson
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Telemarketers may occasionally call cell phones, but only if the cell number were used in some way that the telemarketers can get ahold of it, such as credit card application or contact number for a magazine subscription. Basically, it has to be given to someone first.

Also, it is still illegal for a telemarketers to call cell phone numbers since they can't call any number in which the recipient of the call can be charged for the call. Therefore, the quickest way to end a telemarketer call on a cell phone is to say "You called my cell phone." That'll kill it pretty quickly.

I noticed that you used this as a device to get someone out the room. Might as well make it an important call that would last a few pages rather than one that would be resolved almost before Heller walks out the door.


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MAC
Posted: April 10th, 2006, 10:58pm Report to Moderator
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This telemarketer bit is an example of what I meant by "hastily written".

I'm guessing you wanted the call to interrupt the meeting and get Heller out of the scene then realized he was gone for a long time so you added the bathroom explanation. That's a simple fix but not very imaginative.

Let's ignore the fact that a guy like Heller's boss wouldn't tolerate his underlings leaving his meeting for a personal call. So, who might call a hitman unexpectedly? Bookie? Hot tip at the track? One of his woman having thouble with an ex? Lots of possibilities better that telemarketer.

I think he would look at the caller's number but not answer. Turn the phone off out of respect for, or fear of, the boss. He can lie about who called and contact him later.

Like I said, just a small example. But they all add up.
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I'm probably going to sound like an ass for this criticism but here it goes:

1. The dinner conversation is way to dark and depressing for two people on a first date.

2. There are a lot of hit men stories being told, and this one wanst that original or interesting.

3. I didnt think any of the characters were that interesting, and we dont get to know what makes them tick.

4. The dialouge was trying too hard.

5. The title was good, but the story not so much.
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yusuke007
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You know what? You're absoultely right, back to the drawing board.
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