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Dustin
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- Which will be quickly countered by "Because they're not given the same opportunities as men" Which, as an outsider, I'm not in a position to attest to its veracity. This is just what one hears all the time.



This was my point on the psychology of women... not all women, I hasten to add. But, this is/was a man's world and has been since we split from the hermaphrodite thingy. Women are told that they are second. Even in the bible... which many still, unbelievably, follow today. Muslim women buried up to their necks then stoned to death. Happens today.

Here in the West, we've mostly moved on from that, aside from the bible stuff, yet still we moved into a society where women were treated as secondaries... they were to become secretaries, nurses, rather than running the office or doctors. Told both directly and indirectly that they weren't good enough.

The goalposts have moved again and that should be enough on its own. The great female writers are out there, obviously... and if you want to concentrate on that that's fine. Just make it a competition for women, people of colour, the disabled, and the LGBTQ crew only. White males are clearly not given the same chance so they should be discouraged in clear language rather than flowering it over with keywords like 'diversity' and 'fairness' that are all but when they omit one demographic.
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This was my point on the psychology of women... not all women, I hasten to add. But, this is/was a man's world and has been since we split from the hermaphrodite thingy. Women are told that they are second. Even in the bible... which many still, unbelievably, follow today. Muslim women buried up to their necks then stoned to death. Happens today.

Here in the West, we've mostly moved on from that, aside from the bible stuff, yet still we moved into a society where women were treated as secondaries... they were to become secretaries, nurses, rather than running the office or doctors. Told both directly and indirectly that they weren't good enough.


- Yep, to paraphrase Bill Burr (with a bit of Mr. Jensen from Network) We, the white male, have been CRUSHING it since huMANs crawled out of the slime. We had a good run. Its now coming to an end.

But who's kidding who, we've bigger heads for the most part, shouldn't it follow we've bigger brains?


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White males are clearly not given the same chance so they should be discouraged in clear language rather than flowering it over with keywords like 'diversity' and 'fairness' that are all but when they omit one demographic.


- I think this is particularly resonant in regards the cultural conversation at large about gender. In that blatant misandry goes unchecked, sometimes celebrated or glossed over as an empowered, strong women talking while a man can't express a contrary opinion in relation to women without being excoriated with the misogynist, male chauvinist pig, dinosaur from the 50s, labels.

I get that the momentum is with women right now, they're riding the crest of this wave and that's long overdue but it seems to me (granted I'm referring to the more strident elements of the movement but these are the loudest therefore the most influential) are striving for superiority rather than equality.

As stated above, yes we had our time so this retaliation shouldn't come as a surprise, it doesn't, I just wished it was at least acknowledged because, more importantly, to go all the way over to the other side, where woman became the dominant of the sexes isn't a solution either. You've basically become what you've been fighting against.

Then its only a matter of time before the impetus changes and men come back looking to readdress the balance. The pendulum swings and we're back to square one.


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- The wage gap statistic is fake/inaccurate as it does not take into account all the variables (job type, education, etc. etc.). I am certain there is a gap that should be addressed, but nowhere near the numbers typically cited.  

- I cannot imagine that a script is turned down for production because of the gender or ethnicity of the author. Too much money at stake.

- I do believe that women are underrepresented in the script writing industry. I have no idea why.  

- I have no problem with programs or contests that are seeking to develop female or "diverse" writers. That's their prerogative and in all cases if that is there objective they should be crystal clear about it.


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I agree, if they want women, it's their prerogative. But they need to be upfront about it otherwise it's plain scamming men into submitting. They could go as far as not reading entries from a male writer.

I have no idea about Zoetrope, if the selection was done on the basis of merit or otherwise. Maybe it was after all. It's strange to see only female names in the finals though.
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Can't wait to read this script, you really have tickets on yourself.

You sound like a sore loser. Have you read any of those "pretentious" scripts or are you just disrespecting the writers because you didn't place?

I'm looking forward to seeing how you cope with the reviews and criticism on this site, I think you might be one of those people who will defend their script to the death no matter what anyone says.


This explains your little review of my script. You came pre-loaded with angst and wanted to troll and try flame me.

I wonder if you still want to do this.. after I've reviewed your work.

I'd be amazed if I don't break you.

In any case, bring it on.. there can be no improvement without struggle.
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Try not to be too hard on yourself, a lot of these competitions are like lotteries with so many entries, many good scripts can get ignored. And yes, the judges will have their biases and preferences - they are human.

I'd suggest trying to be happy for the winners. Remember, these guys may have tried just as hard as you and had many rejections before getting a break. Resentment is like a form of self-harm.  

Best of luck with Burn. I hope you do better in other competitions.

-Mark


I'll try to be happy for them, and you're right. I just really needed to vent.

Thank you, Mark.
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Actually, I stand behind him. No screenwriter should pay… blah, is my thing on and on…

At the moment I ask myself if people would even like my stuff.

It's that complicated so that I don't write anymore. I just see the chaos and shake my head.


I'll try to review your work, and I'll be as constructive and pleasant as I can be.

Don't give up on your passion, bro'.

I'm here, and I'll see your work.
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I'd say it's a bit of both.

I'm not averse to diversity, I love it. What I don't like though is unfairness. If 10 scripts are put in front of you, you should pick the best one and not the one you feel you should pick to help make society - mostly overly liberal white men - feel better about itself. You go in blind. Who the writer is shouldn't matter at all.

It's one of the reasons I stopped entering. The competitions are clearly not looking for white men so we should all save our money.


That sounds horrible.

I don't know what to say.

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I'd be amazed if I don't break you.



The purpose of this site, or one of them, is to review scripts and provide feedback. I did this with your script. I stand by all the feedback I provided, and in my opinion it is all sound advice.

If you think you need to "break" me for giving your script an honest review maybe this isn’t the best place for you.




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Quoted from Dustin


This was my point on the psychology of women... not all women, I hasten to add. But, this is/was a man's world and has been since we split from the hermaphrodite thingy. Women are told that they are second. Even in the bible... which many still, unbelievably, follow today. Muslim women buried up to their necks then stoned to death. Happens today.

Here in the West, we've mostly moved on from that, aside from the bible stuff, yet still we moved into a society where women were treated as secondaries... they were to become secretaries, nurses, rather than running the office or doctors. Told both directly and indirectly that they weren't good enough.

The goalposts have moved again and that should be enough on its own. The great female writers are out there, obviously... and if you want to concentrate on that that's fine. Just make it a competition for women, people of colour, the disabled, and the LGBTQ crew only. White males are clearly not given the same chance so they should be discouraged in clear language rather than flowering it over with keywords like 'diversity' and 'fairness' that are all but when they omit one demographic.


In the Bible, it makes it clear we're all equal, regardless of race, gender,  religion or any other man made label.

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

It's never been that way in the Church, of course, but they are two different things.
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In the Bible, it makes it clear...



Tried reading it once. Nothing about it was clear.
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Timothy 2:12: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

Ephesians 5:22, "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord"

Peter 2:18: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel."

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.

“‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, . . . 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge. 31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[a] which is among them.’” Leviticus 15: 19-31


They're all from the bible too.
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One can find verses in the Bible and the Koran for that matter espousing both sides . Both books have been used to sponsor liberation and persecution.  Love and hate. The books are irrelevant. It's a matter if how people use them or abuse them.


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The purpose of this site, or one of them, is to review scripts and provide feedback. I did this with your script. I stand by all the feedback I provided, and in my opinion it is all sound advice.

If you think you need to "break" me for giving your script an honest review maybe this isn’t the best place for you.




Yup


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