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sheepdogg_plankton
Posted: February 16th, 2004, 12:23pm Report to Moderator
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Loved it, and almost every scene WAS hilarious, Alan.  I could go on about how much I liked it- but i have nothing to say that you guys haven't said already.  Peace out.
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So I figured the anime sequence was one of the greatest things I've ever seen.  Most of the things Alan said, I'm gonna agree with..not sure about letting kids watch it, unless you mean kids like my age..that's okay then.  In any case, definitely a hilarious movie from start to finish.  See my list of homages, too!

And Lesley..it's Wo Ping..Yuen Wo Ping.  Or Woo-Ping.

-Chris
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hahah.....yeah, i only saw a ripped copy of it, but it was AWESOME!!
specially the anime sequence.....quite nice!
i liked when O-ren in the anime sequence was an assassin that blew a bullet through that guy in the limousine's head, and the camera looked out from the wound....that was cool


He wanted to talk.  I wanted to shoot.
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havah
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I was bored half-way through. I found there was nothing really to anchor to. Couple things were wrong:

1. We have no idea who she is or why she was assassinated.

2. If she was in the back of the orderly's truck for 13 hours after she killed him and left him and buddy in her room, someone would have found his Pussy Wagon (and her) in the Hospital underground parking lot.

I thought the camera angle from ceiling down was rather refreshing. I didn't care for the anime. And when real-life characters' limbs came off and the blood was excessively anime, I thought that was trash.

I've seen everything he's done, but I won't bother seeing Vol. 2

That's my opinion.

As a plus, for those who enjoyed this unique film experience, it truly did stick with multiple format, as opposed to using only one medium. A splendid example of a cocophany of film styles that work together.
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Well, having just seen Vol. 2 I can tell you that it gives you her whole background and tells why she was killed.  As for the rest, about trash and so on..well, as you said, it's your opinion, so I won't try to mess with it.
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havah
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Hi Heretic:

I just thought the anime ruined it. I think he used it for production cost reasons. Much cheaper to hire an animator than to pay for all the special effects it would have cost otherwise. Anyway, I think it would have been better if he had used less exaggeration, less blood and more story background.

lol... I like your sig.
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Posted: April 22nd, 2004, 12:53pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from havah, posted April 21st, 2004, 7:02pm at here
I think it would have been better if he had used less exaggeration, less blood and more story background.


I'd have to agree with you there (at least partly). I mean I loved all the blood, and when those samurai swords came out I could barely handle it, but It still would have been nice to have more background. I guess that's the problem with cutting one story into two parts, we miss out on stuff.
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Hey Freak:

For me, it was the lack of realism, which equates to a lack of believe-ablility. I would get into it, yes, especially the sword play, and then a limb would shoot anime blood! Sucks!!!!!!! I could have stuck with the story if I felt her cause was real, if I could completely relate to it on a compassionate level. Just when I'd get to that point, the anime would start. It zipped me back to my own reality which was: this is just a movie. It left me disappointed. I felt robbed of the opportunity to truly root for my heroine because I could not believe in her anime cause.

In the end, I wonder: is all this violence simply thoughts going through her head in the moments after being shot and immediately before death? Maybe she was never comatose. Maybe that's why there's so much cartoonism infused between the true emotional expressions of her confused state - to keep the audience confused and track the random thoughts one might think in the final moments of a deadly betrayal.

Anyway, I think as a director, he set a hard-to-follow example of how mixed medium can really be a visual symphony. Kinda makes me think Tarantino is like the Vivaldi of movie-making.
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To me, Kill Bill was, as Tarantino stated, a "geek fanboy's dream".  He referenced my movies, from John Woo to Anime to Sergio Leone to Star Trek, and I loved every bit of it.  That being said, I'm a teenager, and I think this movie is perhaps for less mature people, made by someone people might consider a less mature filmmaker. 

But..maturity..pff.
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havah
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Hi Heretic:

I just finished watching "El Mariachi", and thought it was fantastic. I think if "Kill Bill" was done more like "El Mariachi" I would have loved it.

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Hey havah,

I also quite enjoyed El Mariachi.  Curious, though: In what way would you have liked to see Kill Bill more like El Mariachi?  From the aspect of realism, cinematography, or what? 

Also, why do you use El Mariachi, specifically, for an example?  Just wondering.
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!!! loved both volumes !!!
wouldn't you say that anime was used as a cultural reference as well as a stylistic feature- we get info about the other characters in way that complement them...

also- black and white was used to prevent censorship issues, but in japan, you can see it in color
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Hi Heretic:

From the standpoint of realism, I think El Mariachi is superior to Kill Bill. Also, since Tarantino was implementing the "Spaghetti Western" feel, El Mariachi captured that flavor with absolute perfection without actually being a "Spaghetti Western". I think Tarantino could have learned something from that.

What I especially liked about El Mariachi, too, is that you get the story up front: He's a simple guitarist from a long line of them, in a small town looking for work as a musician. When he, and his guitar case, are confused with another seeming mariachi, he finds himself the target of some very blood-thristy Mexican bad guys.

We learned all that in the first ten minutes. It glued you to everything that was going to happen in the next 2 hours.

Though I enjoyed "Desperado" and "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "El Mariachi" is definitely one of the best movies I've ever seen, on so many counts, but primarily, the way this great story was executed.
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Hi havah,

I agree with you that El Mariachi is more realistic than Kill Bill, and I'd also agree that it's a great movie.  Definitely the best of the three in my mind.  I also can see where you're coming from regarding the story of Kill Bill.  I would say that the story is played down a lot in Kill Bill Volume One, so if you don't enjoy what remains, which is excessive bloodletting, then I would imagine that it wouldn't be a good movie experience.  I personally happen to like excessive bloodletting in sword fights and anime, and therefore I was pleased with Kill Bill.

I'd think that it would be a shame if you didn't watch the second one though, as it is extremely different from the first one.  I recommend strongly that you watch the second one, as it not only explains the entire story in great detail, but offers some great great writing (most notably Bill's monologue regarding Superman's critique on the human race).  Also, there is very little violence compared to the first one, and most of it is relatively realistic.
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Stu
Posted: June 3rd, 2004, 11:56am Report to Moderator
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I struggled to like the Kill Bill movies. While the action was both outstanding and intense I felt the actual story (screenplay) didn't do the genius of QT any justice.

I can appreciate that this is a tribute picture but then so was 'Reservoir Dogs' and 'Pulp Fiction'. I remember when 'Fiction' was released and the fact that people were paying tribute to this movie, reviewing it and showing it a good 12 months down the line. Where's 'Kill Bill' at now??

Here's my reviews...

http://www.geocities.com/conflictscripts/KillBillVol1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/conflictscripts/KillBillVol2.htm
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