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I didn't see much new from the trailer to get excited about and sure enough... Suspicion confirmed. At 800mil to break even, this will be a hard climb.

The people I shared the theatre with wanted to clap during this, but one could just sense the disappointment.

I'll say spoiler now, but the whole movie is spoiled like old milk. Wait till you get a whiff of the plot holes. The entire first hour moves without focus establishing Batlek's hatred for Superman (who by the way, tried his best acting job to save this liquid feces of a story) only to have him give up his thirst for revenge just cuz Superman mentions his mothers name.

They take useless bad guys, make em terrorists,  but instead of a nuclear bomb being smuggled, it's kryptonite. Then there's the final monster that Luthor creates almost instantly by himself... yeah,  he makes it from his own blood and the dead body of Zod... comeon peoples.

I won't be seeing Gal Gadot's version of Wonder Woman either if it doesn't get a really good review. This movie was recycled shit with nothing new to offer.

Don't waste your time and money.
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The thing that bothers me the most which I don't want to happen is people blame Ben Affleck, he did a great job, he is Batman, he is Bruce Wayne. Same thing for Superman and Gal Gadot. Even the minor roles were casted well, the only suspected one was Jesse as Lex and that just preference.

But, god damn ZACH SNYDER made a mess of things. My suspicions were confirmed in why if this film wasn't as good as it should of been it would be the man and the helm. I'm not fan of CGI and when you stake your "directing" career on it, you questionable because it's about the STORY. He's seriously getting closer and closer to Michel Bay.

I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. There was good material. Sloppy, sloppy execution and the writers are blameless either

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The only ones who showed up to work were the ACTORS...

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Afleck didn't do anything special for Batman. But he didn't fuck it up, either. As far as Wayne, he was kinda watered-down as the playboy.  Now if Einsberg put on the suit and pulled it off... that would have been something. Lol. Whoever thought to make him Luthor should be examined closely.
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If you haven't seen this yet, do not forget the name "Martha". It's super duper important.

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Nothing in this film was earned. Nothing. Even inanimate objects couldn't pull it off. Affleck was the only one who came close, probably because Zack Snyder took the time at start of this insulting boondoggle to give Bruce Wayne's perspective of the events at the end of Man of Steel. Still, it's amazing how Snyder still managed to fuck that up too with horrible "I can't feel my legs!" dialogue from a pointless character who provides one of the most shocking and riveting moments of the film. Confused yet?

Yes, the best idea comes from a genius plan by Lex Luthor to put Superman in the spotlight of a terrorist attack. Finally! One hour in, and I felt like I was getting what I wanted... Nope. The whole idea wasn't just forgotten; it was abandoned and replaced by a way to justify the Batman v Superman title.

If you're a comic buff, you'll recognize the imagery instantly. Especially the final sequence. That said, I believe whomever is calling the shots on this DC universe might want to consider other options.

Batman v Superman is worse than terrible.
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Quoted from oJOHNNYoNUTSo
Batman v Superman is worse than terrible.


Oooh. There's a post ending which hit home hard. My judgement for this movie is still reserved. However, I doubt my enthusiam is at the same level as it was not long ago.

JN is one of the sharper tools in the box. But if he ever says the same thing he did about some film I make in the future, he shall no longer get any biscuits with his tea in my house. I can't remember if he takes sugar, I may accidently add one spoon too many.

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There are many, many more reasons BvS should've never been. It makes Batman & Robin look like it tried. Snyder goes for a literal graphic novel pace without putting "meanwhile..." in a text box across the screen.

I enjoyed Sucker Punch because I considered it a love letter to Heavy Metal. This one is an insult to folks who know the material (when it finally sinks in, they'll be pissed), and moviegoers who just wanted to have fun.

Everyone should see this movie only because it feels like you're witnessing a crime in progress, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
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I didn't agree with it when Batman and Superman met in the comics either, and I refused to read them. I tended to avoid Superman anyway... aside from the edition where he got killed. That one was worth the read if only to see Superman finally meet his match.

I preferred the darker Batman comics and, as I got older and graphic novels became a thing, they got darker and darker.

I don't think any of the Batman films have come close to how dark Batman should really be.
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I didn't agree with it when Batman and Superman met in the comics either, and I refused to read them. I tended to avoid Superman anyway... aside from the edition where he got killed. That one was worth the read if only to see Superman finally meet his match.


Dustin, you need to see this - soley based on your knowledge of the comics. I've read the above too, so I'd like to hear your take.
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I'm not going to trash this as much as some. There was some effort here. Batman is by far and away my favorite comic book character so my opinion may be a bit jaded.

I didn't like the idea of this from the conception. Superman is so ridiculously powerful and indestructible, that you can be a thousand times smarter than him and it wouldn't even matter... Unless you have kryptonite.

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And this went the only way it could've. Batman having a chance to end him and then stopping. I didn't buy into why he did. He was so convinced Superman needed to go he was willing to die for it.

The courtroom scene was pretty inventive, though. That caught me by surprise. And I thought Affleck did a decent job as the Dark knight.

Doomsday was a joke. Just another mindless monster that wants to destroy everything for no rhyme or reason.

I don't listen to critics on movies like this. If you're a fan you should go see it. If you're not, save your money. I miss Nolan already and he was an executive producer on this. Not sure he's going to get a good return on his investment.

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I thought it was dumb entertainment.
I went in with low expectations, not really a comic fan or superhero fanatic, but I was never bored.
I was a little confused by some scenes that just seemed to come out of nowhere and lead to nothing. A few character decisions/choices/motivation kept me interested to see where they would go, but, again, they never really went anywhere.
I'd see it again, but I would not pay for it. I enjoyed it a lot more than the last Batman movie and Man Of Steel, but I was constantly wondering "Why is he/she doing this? What's the point? There is an easier way of sorting this out! What was that? Who is this swimming dude? Why am I seeing this? What relevance does this have? He stopped because of that? Etc."
The ending was a bit of a surprise, maybe a point grabber for me.
So, first viewing, I'd give it 6/10.


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I don't think they developed any character at all. I mean, Superman was awful in Man Of Steel. The guy took out half a city's population, we never saw him do too many great things to save the innocent and he was constantly moping around.
In this film, I think we see a couple of examples of how good he is, but they are on news reels or quick scenes. There are no classic "Superman Saves Plane from crashing" or "Superman saves someone from disaster" awesome moments, they're just very brief , no satisfying set up or payoff. Plus, the city seems 50/50 on whether they like the guy or not. So why, when he's "dead", is everyone in Metropolis mourning this dude? In the space of 2 years, he's brought about thousands and thousands of deaths in the same city if you add the carnage caused in Man Of Steel and this one. I would have thought the majority might be thinking "Thanks god, all this alien guy has done is cause chaos to our city. Now we might have some peace."
Batman is pretty cool in this, but way underdeveloped. He's pretty one-note.

Also, can anyone explain to me how Superman had a conversation with his dead father in the Antarctic? Was this a hallucination or is this nodding to comic book lore? Plus, I had the same issues with Man Of Steel, Superman just turns up at the exact time Lois is in danger, or vice versa. I mean it was ridiculous, even in the old movies they never made it that silly.

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I'm not going to trash this as much as some. There was some effort here...

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There's a lot more to your post, James (or Jwentetc) than I quoted above.

I read it all, as you know what you're doing. I'll be bearing what you said in mind as the day me and some others who need picking up (Aren't some people cheeky?) to go to see this film.

Or, perhaps I might have to wait for the DVD. Or not. It'll be on telly on rotation in a year or two. When it does it will be hard to avoid.

Keep it up.

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It was stupid how Batman forgave Superman at the sound of the name Martha and was just like "You're mum has the same name as mine? Maaan, we're totally sweet now, I completely forgot why I was trying to kill you"
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It was stupid how Batman forgave Superman at the sound of the name Martha and was just like "You're mum has the same name as mine? Maaan, we're totally sweet now, I completely forgot why I was trying to kill you"


Yeah have read about that on a lot of reviews.

If one of us did that in a script on here, we'd be laughed out of town.



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SPOILERS!

This was a movie filled with great ideas, most of which don’t quite work out. It borrowed elements from several iconic comics without really giving them the rich backstory of these comics. The exception was Batman, they did a great job there. Wonder Woman showed a lot of promise but was only in it briefly. Superman, I can see why Snyder is going for this approach, as it is different from the other incarnations of the character and I could see people of this planet looking at him as some sort of deity figure. This worked really well with Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen but it doesn’t work the same way here. The problem is they can’t quite out what to do with him or give Superman and Clark enough screen time to get anything across effectively. Either he’s a disassociated alien with god-like powers, or he’s a guy with feelings and a huge burden of responsibility. They try to do both and it doesn’t quite work.

Lex, again I can see why they chose this route. The young social media founder type with sociopathic tendencies is a different portrayal of Lex and certainly modernises the character. Again though, it doesn’t quite work.  He ends up sounding like an annoying brat and not an evil genius, or even someone who could run such a huge company. He seems more like someone who made his money inventing apps and rarely strays from his bedroom. His ‘plan’ to turn the world against Superman and get him to fight Batman was a good one but he’s backup plan seemed like something added on by the executives last minute, just to get Doomsday in. If Batman had taken care of Superman, Lex would have unleashed Doomsday on the world and probably ended up destroying it. Considering he was doing all this because he was afraid Superman would turn on us seems ridiculous. He had no way of dealing with Doomsday if Superman died. We are supposed to think it’s because ‘he’s crazy’ well that type of crazy would have got him locked up or killed years ago.

The Doomsday fight was a good mechanism to bring them all together, as they needed something to unite them, but it looks more like a PS4 game intro sequence than a realistic fight scene.

The movie could have done with (a lot) more humour. The team working on the DC side of things seems to have trouble balancing the different tones such tales require, whereas Marvel make it look easy in comparison.

Still, despite the complaints I did enjoy it. It was worth watching for Louis’s bath scene alone. I hear the Blu-Ray version will be a longer, harder cut. I expect to see nipples in that one from both her and Clark.


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Mostly terrible, unfortunately. So many things in the script that didn't make sense / were annoying. This is a random collection of things without much structure (bit like the script then), apologies in advance.

Things that really bothered me:

- Dream sequences / hallucinations / whatever the hell they were so not clearly signposted, so you were never sure on which level of reality you were supposed to be watching. Did Clark just hike up a mountain and happen to see his dad? What on Earth was that sequence with the flying dragons about? Lois holds the key to what?
- Motivations so unclear as to be absent. Why did Batman hate Superman so much? 'If there's even a 1% chance he's a threat we have to take that as an absolute certainty' (so 100%) ISN'T HOW MATHS WORKS. Why was Lex Luthor so single-mindedly determined to destroy Superman? There was some suggestion at the end that he knew of some external threat on the way (presumably for Justice League), but you can't just say 'hey look! Twist!' without having suggested there is a mystery that needs resolving first.
- As with Man of Steel, why does everything just have to be so OTT all the time? Why is everyone on one level: EPICCCCCCCC? Monotonous epicness is still monotony. 'How should we kill Jonathan Kent? Have him sucked up by a tornado rescuing a dog!' 'How should we put Superman in jeopardy? Have him fly into space and nuke him!'
- At what point did everyone learn each other's secret identities, and isn't that worth making more of a deal over?

The most laughable-yet-cynical moment for me was when Bruce Wayne hacked his way into the files and found four folders, each for an upcoming film, that weren't just named after them, but had the Warner Bros / DC-approved logo for each character on. Whose job was it at LexCorp to come up with a cool lightning bolt logo for the Flash? Because it seems to me they might be overstaffed.

It's not all without merit. Some things were quite good. The action sequences were ok, and I was actually surprised having heard it was humourless at the amount of jokes. There are jokes in there, some ok ones. But the structure was AWFUL, jumping from scene to scene, plotline to plotline with no care for coherence, or pacing, or clarity. Nothing is clearly defined in terms of scale or time - Superman leaves after the explosion at the Capitol, sees ghost dad on the mountain and comes back just in time to save Lois - but how long was he away for? Obstacles are created by having a character do something incredibly stupid, and then have to immediately undo it, Lois' throwing the spear into a deep pool and then nearly drowning when she has to go retrieve it being the most obvious case in point. Lazy, lazy plotting.

Batman is a psycho now. I await the kill count video, cos that'll be high. Not saying it's not a valid choice, I don't know the source material that well, but he's all about blowing people up / shooting them in the face / breaking their necks now. So many chaingun v chaingun fights I wasn't sure if I was watching Batman or The Expendables. But at least he had a character, unlike Superman, who's given none. Or Lex, who's given 'please make it stop I can't bear this yapping you're not threatening unless I can die of blunt force irritation'.

So many little things were stupid, too. Why did Lex's right-hand man hide as a cleaner in that building to kidnap Lois? Couldn't he have just kidnapped her? Why does Gal Gadot spend the first two hours of the film just looking at things (Lex making a speech, a fake sword in a case, a camera in a surveillance video, video files of other metahumans... reminds me of that Tumblr about Kim Jong Un. Wonder Woman Looking at Things)? If Lex got into the crashed ship using Zod's fingerprints, why didn't it think he was Zod, and why did it give control of the ship to Lex when Zod was all about purity? Why can Clark hear when Lois is in danger anywhere in the world, but not when his mother is being tortured? Why does nobody recognise billionaire tech entrepreneurs, whose companies are named after them? Ok I don't know what most CEOs look like, but when Bruce clones the phone from the Russian, who works for LexCorp, you'd assume he'd be aware what one of his boss' main corporate rivals looked like. Why hasn't Clark been fired if he's never at work? Perry White is constantly going on about the need to save money ('fly coach! Newspapers don't sell!') but he doesn't seem to mind flagrant absenteeism. If Gal Gadot retreated from humanity for 100 years, why does she always seem to be out and about in downtown urban locations? If Bruce Wayne is a gazillionaire who cuts kryptonite spears using lasers, why can't he afford more hi-tech workout gear than a hammer and a big tyre, in a sequence that played out like deleted chunks of the bearded prep montage from Rocky IV that Stallone cut for possibly being a bit much?

Finally: the most-hyped battle between the two, 'the greatest gladiator match in the history of the world', lasts less than five minutes. Most of Holly Hunter's dialogue makes no sense. And Jesse Eisenberg is SO annoying. It's not really his fault, you know what he's going to give you, but that gamble really didn't pay off.

I know it's a comic book movie. But it doesn't mean it HAS to have a terrible script. Have some respect for the craft, for goodness' sake.

As others have said: the entire arc of the main title characters' relationships is resolved purely by the fact that their respective mothers happen to have the same name. Blind coincidence is the best you get. Case closed.

EDIT: Ooo I thought of another stupid thing. Why did Lex set a timer for one hour for Superman to kill Batman, but when the timer went off there were only thirty seconds to go before Doomsday was born? Surely you'd want to give yourself more than 30 seconds before your back-up plan kicks in? And how is creating an unstoppable monster that even you can't control (it was full-on gonna punch him in the face) a reasonable back-up plan? No wonder his dad built the company, cos this one ain't a strategist. He's just a rich, socially awkward dick. Less supervillain, more super-annoying.


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Awesome review Jonny!  I am well and truly over the modern movies and the way they are written. No wonder I don't go to the cinema anymore and haven't since 2008.



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I enjoyed the BvS ride while I was watching the movie, and yet I do agree with Johnny’s points. This is a film which I enjoyed, yet made little sense when I thought about it afterwards. It was very easy to pluck the threads and tear it apart. Imagine if any of us had written that script and posted it on these forums? I doubt anyone would have made it past page 10 and ripped it to shreds.  

One of the issues is Snyder made the assumption people watching it would be very familiar with the comics it is loosely based on. The psycho Batman angle for example. I was OK with that as I’ve read the comics where Batman does dish out extreme justice. This is a Batman who’s been capturing crooks for decades, only for them to escape and kill innocent civilians and he’s had enough, lost too many people he cared about. But what if you are used to seeing the more common version of Batman who goes out of his way to avoid killing anyone? If so, this would make no sense at all.

Snyder tried to do too much with one movie. It would have been much better following the Marvel route where they set-up the major pay-offs in a phased series of movies, not try to do everything in one confused mess. Unfortunately it is too late to stop the tide now, Snyder is already locked in to direct the Justice League film.  Also, the film is making lots of money, not as much as they hoped, but lots. The question is, will this make them think such bad scripts are OK or will the growing number of critics make them try to write better ones in future?


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The first hour of this movie wasn't that bad. The rest was terrible.
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Anyone who didn't outright hate the film care to elaborate on the script itself? A lot of the gripes with the characters/performances/tone, while off-putting, seem to be more subjective, but the issues with the writing seem less so. It's one thing to have corny dialogue or a silly plot, but issues with confusion and lack of cause and effect seem like they would have an inevitably negative impact on the viewing experience. I've heard people (not critics) say characters, especially Superman and Lex Luther, have zero motive for many of the things they do and that most of the scenes could've been edited in any order and not made a difference, given how nonsensical and/or inconsequential they are. Those are some seriously damning sentiments and sound a lot more like filmmakers who flat out don't know what they're doing rather than an audience who simply rejected an intentional execution.


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Anyone who didn't outright hate the film care to elaborate on the script itself? A lot of the gripes with the characters/performances/tone, while off-putting, seem to be more subjective, but the issues with the writing seem less so. It's one thing to have corny dialogue or a silly plot, but issues with confusion and lack of cause and effect seem like they would have an inevitably negative impact on the viewing experience. I've heard people (not critics) say characters, especially Superman and Lex Luther, have zero motive for many of the things they do and that most of the scenes could've been edited in any order and not made a difference, given how nonsensical and/or inconsequential they are. Those are some seriously damning sentiments and sound a lot more like filmmakers who flat out don't know what they're doing rather than an audience who simply rejected an intentional execution.


Tried to do most of that in my post above... I didn't hate it by any means, was just disappointed even despite setting my expectations really low. I think the main problem was that they tried to do WAY too much in just one film. Call it being overambitious or greedy, depending on your point of view.

There's an interesting concept poking through here - who is Superman answerable to, if anyone? What would it mean to suddenly have our place in the universe's pecking order thrown into such harsh perspective? Can a being that's seemingly all-powerful also be all good, or does anyone in positions of power inevitably become corrupted, whether it's Batman being more powerful than the criminals he fights, Lex Luthor being wealthier and better connected than everyone else, or Superman being more powerful than everyone on the planet?

But the universe-building is so distracting, so obviously more interested in setting up future films than adding to the one we're already watching, that all that potentially rich thematic stuff is crushed underfoot by this corporate juggernaut. I just wish they'd done another Superman film, and probably a Batman film, before attempting this. At the risk of making the most obvious comparison possible, The Avengers worked because it was the sixth installment of a shared universe narrative, so we weren't constantly playing catch up but instead had fun seeing these previously-established characters interacting with each other. (Age of Ultron fell foul of this, by the way.) It's just not realistic to introduce a new Batman/Bruce Wayne, and Wonder Woman, and Lex Luthor, and also move on Superman's emotional story as he continues to wrestle with the 'do I belong here or not?' questions from Man of Steel, and come up with another well-developed threat for him to fight (the Doomsday sequence was probably the worst, just an extended cut scene with no vague believability or stakes or emotional involement. Just CRASH! BANG! BOOOOOM!). The metahumans sideplot, where Lex has been researching other people who will go on to be the other Justice League members, is a distracting waste of time and a plot strand too far. It's exactly what the Amazing Spiderman films got wrong, trying to drop in this OsCorp master plan too early rather than focusing on making some good Spidey films first and foremost to earn the audience's interest. Those literally just came out, how did anyone at Warner Bros. not see they were repeating those mistakes?

Snyder et al. bit off more than they could chew, and in trying to do so much they ended up selling every individual element short. Not that that's sympathy, though - I guess Warner Bros saw The Avengers' $1.5bn gross and thought 'fuck taking four years to get there, let's have that now.' I see BvS posted a record 81% Friday-Friday drop as the hardcore fans have already seen it opening weekend, and the poor reviews are turning the undecideds away. Which, without being harsh, seems like justice for a film that ultimately seems to knowingly want your money more than it wants to tell you a good story.


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I thought the cast were very good, with the exception of Eisenberg, I normally like him but here it was perhaps the most cliched sociopath/villian I've ever seen... I laughed out loud more than once, and not when I was supposed to!

There were some decent action scenes too... BUT

OMG the script was just plain awful, Johnny captured most of the issues in his review, and I agree with each and every one of them. Such a shame after Nolan's Batman films to see the new direction handled so poorly.

I think this is down to Synder, he just lacks any sublety or finesses... which was fine in 300 but here and in Man of Steel here takes interesting premises and just makes them CRASH, BANG, WALLOP-athongs

So disappointing.


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Tried to do most of that in my post above... I didn't hate it by any means, was just disappointed even despite setting my expectations really low. I think the main problem was that they tried to do WAY too much in just one film. Call it being overambitious or greedy, depending on your point of view.


Your post was excellent, man. I don't think you fell short in any regard. I think the observation that they tried to do too much is interesting as well. I suppose it's possible that some of that material could've produced a serviceable film in a more focused incarnation.

I was struck by the people who liked the film but were forthcoming about its flaws. There's nothing wrong with that. A flawed film can still be enjoyable, even praised and appreciated (I'm one of the few people who liked Chappie, for instance). I do wonder, though, if the people who liked it knew what was going on and could discern the motivations of the characters or if they just said fuck it and lapped up all the action and such.


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I think this is down to Synder, he just lacks any sublety or finesses... which was fine in 300 but here and in Man of Steel here takes interesting premises and just makes them CRASH, BANG, WALLOP-athongs

So disappointing.


My biggest concern with the film from the beginning was indeed Snyder. He's like Michael Bay in denial. He'd be a pretty good director if he didn't gravitate to projects that demand any sort of depth or intelligence. His biggest problem is that he does just that. Not sure if that's because he lacks the skills to pull it off properly, try as he might, or if he's just straight up not smart.


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I was struck by the people who liked the film but were forthcoming about its flaws. There's nothing wrong with that. A flawed film can still be enjoyable, even praised and appreciated (I'm one of the few people who liked Chappie, for instance). I do wonder, though, if the people who liked it knew what was going on and could discern the motivations of the characters or if they just said fuck it and lapped up all the action and such.


Agreed, I've seen a lot of comments from people saying 'hey it's a comic book movie ffs, Batman is super cool and Wonder Woman is badass so just switch your brain off and watch that shit.' Which is fine, I saw Jurassic World last night and did exactly that, it's not great but a decent two hour chunk of dinosaur fun.

Trouble is, Warner Bros. want this to be the basis for the entire DCEU. So everything had to be perfect, pretty much, in terms of setting things in motion for what follows. Now we have an irritating, frankly not scary/villainous Lex Luthor (who's motivations for hating Superman are entirely unclear), a Batman who's mowing people down left and right - so even if he changes his ways now he knows he's not alone, we've already seen him crack and turn violent so there's not really anywhere for his character to go, unlike say Bale's Batman in TDK fighting that temptation to break his rule...

Tbh, there's not one character in this universe I'm interested in seeing more of, with the exception of Wonder Woman. And Jeremy Irons is quite fun as Alfred, partly because he's got his tongue in his cheek and isn't afraid to be a bit lighter. God it could have done with more of that.


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I was struck by the people who liked the film but were forthcoming about its flaws. There's nothing wrong with that. A flawed film can still be enjoyable, even praised and appreciated (I'm one of the few people who liked Chappie, for instance). I do wonder, though, if the people who liked it knew what was going on and could discern the motivations of the characters or if they just said fuck it and lapped up all the action and such.


I liked the film but am forthcoming about the flaws. I'm very familiar with the comics this was loosely based on so I did understand the motivations of Batman. With Superman, I'm pretty sure Snyder's based this on Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen, so I did kind of get what he was going for. Lex was confsuing but I read they've cut a key scene which helped explain his motivation.

Wonder Woman was eye candy, I had no idea what her motivations are or why she's hidden from the world for 100 years. I presume we'll find out in her movie.  



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I loved Man Of Steel. I also enjoyed Zack snyder's 300 and Watchmen as well,So i was looking forward to BvS. The hype machine focuses more on Affleck's Batman, and I didn't have a problem there. affleck was fine. But I also had a bad feeling going into bvS as well. There was that one trailer with a MAJOR reveal, so you knew Doomsday was coming sometime during the film. It didn't hurt my enjoyment of the film, but it's my understanding that Snyder had to cut out twenty some minutes and wants to put the footage back in at some point to have an "R" rating. which is stupid, because I don't expect a slew of f bombs, more blood and guts, nudity etc. This is Superman and Batman. As it is...the film as we have it now is fifteen minutes too long.

And Superman is mishandled, as if Snyder. WB and the rest didn't quite know what to do with him. It would be one thing if we had another film or two with the new Supey- his actions at the end of the film would carry more weight.)

There's some scenes that didn't make sense, (possibly due to deleted footage) but let's stop the movie for a minute or two to see the files of future JLA members so they can strike a pose!

The Batman dreams I could have done without. Oh sure, the geek squad is eating it up like cake "Is that...OMG it IS Darkseid related! He's seeinf parademons!" and I get it , y'know? But a DREAM SEQUENCE stalls the pace of the filkm and WTF does Bats have the visions anyway?

OMG! Is that THE FLASH who showed up and told him to help Lois Lane? Is it the Flash from the future? Must be!
And my reaction? Yeah, I get it and...I sure the hell hope not. The last thing I want right now is a setup for a cheat. It's kind of left open, butI'm throwing ice cubes at the screen. Yeah, I know who it is. What it is. And I'm not geeked. I'm POd. Get on with it, already.

I expected more. I got less. It's not horrible, but is a disappointment.
Looking more exiting is Suicide Squad.


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