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Posted: September 28th, 2005, 1:32am Report to Moderator
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this isn;t really a question, but whenever i see a movie and it says for example aWes Craven movie, and it turns out he only produced/directed the film, it's kind of dissapointing. i mean something from the mind of Wes Craven would be good, (friday the thriteenth), but when he only directed it, it seems like a scam to make people watch it, and the REAL writer isn't getting any credit.



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The screenwriter is never given that type of credit, unless the director/producer is also the writer. It's not a scam if it's always been done that way. The general public is usually unaware of who the screenwriter is unless he's also the director.  
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Incidentally, Sean Cunningham wrote Friday the 13th, not Wes Craven.

Movies are usually attributed to the directors because they are more recognizable than writers, and directors tend to direct certain types of movies like actors tend to act in certain types of movies. Saying who did the movie is often a pointer of what kind of film it is. If you say a Wes Craven film, that will have more of a draw than just saying it's a horror movie.

Now saying "From the studio that brought you..." I think is just a shameless way to promote a film *cough*Pixar*cough*.


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M. Night Shyamalan writes, directs, and produces his own films.  He's a triple threat!


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Now saying "From the studio that brought you..." I think is just a shameless way to promote a film *cough*Pixar*cough*.


Generally, I agree with you, but Pixar has earned the right to promote their films that way. If it's a Pixar film, it's pretty much guaranteed (so far) to be better than average.

Now, if a movie is promoted as being "from the studio that brought you White Chicks", that's pretty stupid.
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Yeah, I know, I try and try and try to convey this as best as I can to all my friends and anyone else who will listen to me when it comes to movies.

I simply hate people who think so and so director is sooo fantastic! When they don't write half their shit!

They don't grasp the planning a movie takes or went thru to get made. A lot of people think guys just stand around with cameras and people come in and they make a movie on the fly... It's true, we live in a world where people believe this and even like rap music... I still find it hard to swallow their isn't a Santa Clause with how dumb our society has gotten.

Anyways, yes, It bothers me when people don't credit the screenwriter more... and it's true most screenwriters strive to be directors someday, but still... When it was their mind and effort that put this blueprint together, this movie... Why not sing the praises of the creator?

Cause odds are... If you're watching a movie by said director and praising him for the story... You're dead fuckin' wrong, pal!
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Alfred Hitchcock.  He didn't write his movies (although I'm sure he looked over the writer's shoulder), yet I don't think anyone would credit his movies to someone else.  That's for two reasons:

1)  He came up with the plots.  Actually, most of what the srciptwriters did was probably just fill in the in-between dialogue, seeing as he came up with most of the movie.

2)  A good script can make a bad movie, and a bad script can make a good movie (if you doubt that, watch Ben-Hur).  The director puts the movie together, and is largely responsible for the final product.


Also, directors are the main people who ask for all the rewrited from the author to get it write.  That's because once it's no longer a spec script, the writer is just one of the people serving the director - in his case making the script.


I do agree that there should be a credit "created by:" or something; whoever's mind the original spark on inspiration came from is a big deal.  So I'll just go watch a Tarantino or SHyamalan.


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1 guess so and excuse the misspell on the title of this thread


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Alright I'll excuse the misspell of the title of this thread


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Mispelling? Hm, I thought you were being clever or something. I had no idea what the thread was about to begin with. Were you going for "Directors"?

When praise comes for a movie, you've got to understand that the writer is phase 1 of a multi phase process that can take a long while and go through many people. Sometimes a director comes up with an idea, and sometimes he doesn't. Hitchcock found movies he wanted to direct and then found someone to write them, acknowledging this was something he could or should not do. The director is the only person really who has his hands in every single part of the process, approving or disapproving the creative side of the making of the film, so crediting a director for a film is the most logical choice of public credit and the most logical choice for promotion.

The ONLY reason to promote a film using the actors or producers or studios is to reach a certain demographic. What they're saying is, "If you liked that film, you'll like this one too." It's cheesy, but a lot of producers tend to have a certain standard or certain type of film they like to produce, so occasionally if a producer's name is attached to it, it will be a blockbuster (i.e. A Jerry Bruckheimer Production).


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I thought it wa a script.  Diretora: The lost planet

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"The studio that brought you..." or "From the director of _______" are just promotion techniques, and it works sometimes. For example: the chick that made Sleepless in Seattle also did Bewitched. Sleepless in Seatle is in an entirely different league than Bewitched, but the worse film still got our nine dollars.  

It wasn't until a couple years ago that I found out that Hitchcock didn't write his films. I thought he was somewhat like M. Night Shyamalan. But I agree, the director is in charge of the entire creative process, or, at least, he/she has a great pull in the matter. But I also think that the writer(s) should get a hell of a lot more credit than they do.

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I would add three things. First of all, I can think of one scriptwriter for who the process is opposite- he is credited more than the director, usually. this is Charlie Kaufman. When Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind came out, I heard the name as a "Charlie Kaufman movie".
Second, the director is, as the name suggests, the guider of the film, through all its stages. He takes the raw materials, the elements- actors, script, filming- and blends them together into the movie itself. This gives him the title of the movie. He puts the pieces together.
Lastly, the director sets the mood of the movie and makes his mark. When you watch a movie, the camera angles, timing of the music, and various other elements are the trademark and strongest point of a movie (with good directors). With hitchcock, the suspenseful shots, the camera movement, and the music, all conspire to make the movie great. The acting is minor, even if good, and the script is secondary to Hitchcock's thrilling direction. Take, now, the movie "2001: A space Odyssey". The script and acting might have been good, but they are negligible compared to Kubrik's direction, which is at the heart of the film. Now, this isn't true in some cases, and there I agree. However, calling "Saving Private Ryan" a "Steven Spielburg film" makes sense to me.
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Sometimes writers get credit for their work, depending on how much they do. Kevin Williamson got "From the writer of Scream" on I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER. Still a promo technique, but I imagine the reason that writers are occasionally not given much credit is because they are writing the producer's or director's vision and sometimes there are several of them. Sometimes, the director takes the writer's script and rewrites it. Sometimes writers drop out and come in and drop out and come in, and no one can keep up with them. The director is the same but the writers drop like flies. ALIEN3 has 6 different versions. Some writers used elements of other writers' versions. The finished product has elements of several of them. The (original) writer of HALLOWEEN 3 wanted his name removed from the credits because he hated what the studio did to his script and wanted no part of it. Once the studio gets the script, it becomes their domain and the producers and directors have free reign to and or change whatever they want.


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