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RayW
Posted: July 15th, 2011, 8:07pm Report to Moderator
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Double-dog WTH?

Sad to say, if you're tapped out then that's your call.

Some people look at leftovers and plate scrapings and call it trash, while others see it as material for composting.
And I can always make a gross science experiment with mold for my kids.
Set it out on the back porch and see if the possums or raccoons get it first.
I can assess portion control for future meals, as well as content.

What else can I do with one man's table trash... ? Hmm... ?




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I hear ya, bro.  I'm just saying it appears peeps aren't too interested in this anymore.

I did appreciate your spreadsheets, as always, though.
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Cool.

Peeps gotta do what they gotta do.
I am in no disposition to deprive them of their civil liberties.

And I have intentions of applying some Marvel/DC Comics grade mutagen to those spreadsheets.

Muah ha ha ha!



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c m hall
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Regarding dialogue -- I thought mostly the dialogue in Black Swan was lifeless, half way through it occured to me that it could just have easily been a silent movie with occasional text postings of dialogue.
Now, I saw Black Swan as a dvd so maybe the charmlessness of the dialogue was more obvious -- come to think of it, in theaters the sound quality is usually so terrible that dialogue is largely missed, anyway.  
Anyway, Black Swan is fading from my memory and I wonder if part of the reason is the lack of sparkling dialogue.
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The movie has sort of faded from my memory as well, but I did still enjoy it and the script.

I don't think the dialogue stuck out to me as being lifeless. Maybe a bit minimalistic, but i think that sort of gives it the darker and a little bit of a European feel...which I prefer.  


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Quoted from c m hall
Regarding dialogue -- I thought mostly the dialogue in Black Swan was lifeless, half way through it occured to me that it could just have easily been a silent movie with occasional text postings of dialogue.
Now, I saw Black Swan as a dvd so maybe the charmlessness of the dialogue was more obvious -- come to think of it, in theaters the sound quality is usually so terrible that dialogue is largely missed, anyway.  
Anyway, Black Swan is fading from my memory and I wonder if part of the reason is the lack of sparkling dialogue.


I had learned from the interview that heretic posted that the research done proved ballerinas to be very non-verbal. I cannot confirm this, but it does make sense because they act out their feelings largely through their dance. Of course there are always exceptions, but here's the interview again for those who can't make it through the deep of this thread anymore. BTW, if you open with Google Chrome, it shouldn't do the loopidy-loop it does in Firefox.

Mark Heyman Interview

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Mimes tend to be rather non verbal as well...
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Mimes tend to be rather non verbal as well...





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Ballerinas tend to be nonverbal... if that's what the author of the script thought, well, maybe it's just that they didn't much want to talk to him.

I'm trying to make time to listen to the Heyman interview, maybe that will explain everything.  
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Anyone wanna discuss the screenplay's story construct?

On my spreadsheet I added SHEET 2, created a story flow chart and have included this image below to identify key sequence points.





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Damn, Ray, how do you put this shit together?  You must be a GIANT BRAIN...and I mean in that in a very positive way.

For me, the story was both simple and flowed exactly as I would expect it to.
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I dissect things.

Frogs.
People.
Planets.
Ecosystems.
Economies.
Governments.
History.
Home construction.
Screenplay format.
Filmmaking process.

You name it and I've likely poked around some in that field.
I specialize in generalizing.


I'm not so much interested in appreciating any one story as I am in understanding how SOME stories are constructed so that I may more easily template off of that to better build my own!

"This is a great sandwich!"
"Great! How can I make one, too? What are the variables involved? Is yellow mustard as good as fancy? Will provolone substitute for American cheese?"

That sorta stuff.

"If the alligators increase their population by 5% how will that impact the snowy egret population?"
"If this planet's atmosphere reflects light waves within this spectrum what elemental compositions can I determine?"
"Is the 99.99% of missing dark matter in our universe on the other side of the expansion envelope consuming anti-time causing our universe of time and matter to expand?"
"If I find out what B-actor is available can I tailor a marketable screenplay just for him?"




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wow Ray!!!

You mind if I posted that on fb?  


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Not at all.
Please go right ahead.



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Great chart, Ray!  This is going up on the wall where I can see it everyday!
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