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Scar Tissue Films
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I find Rick's point on TV shows versus feature films interesting... because I find most TV shows unwatchable, whereas I love sitting down to a good film. I couldn't watch Breaking Bad... it was TV trying to be film. I was repulsed by it. Instant reaction... maybe because I'm getting older and more averse to change, but that was my genuine reaction, like an 'ew' moment. I can do TV comedy (although rarely American)... but not TV action or drama. Even Peaky Blinders that my gf loves was Eastenders with the occasional fight. TV lacks the necessary grit. The drama and the action can all be there, but it lacks that extra little bit of grit for my tastes.


Movies at their best are great...but there are so few decent movies made these days.

There are very few decent scripts written, and the top stories they buy from novels and such, they tend to make an absolute pigs ear of when they make them, or just bury them so no-one else can make them.

Look at the cinema at the moment: Jurassic World, Fast and Furious 7, Mad Max, Terminator Genysis...it's all so hackneyed and boring. Aimed at the average sixteen year old, big movies are becoming almost un-watchable for adults. Further down the chain, most of the movies are just outright boring.

There's no Fantasy film close to the Game of Thrones.
No Action film as fun as Daredevil or Marvel Agents of Shield.

There's not even a Horror film from the West as good as American Horror Story.


When film is done right it's still the best, but the standard of TV is generally higher in terms of maintaining interest, I find.



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Finished reading and my prejudices have been quashed, the pilot script was enjoyable no holds barred fun. I think there's plenty to talk about here. Will be watching the episode for the on-screen comparison soon, too.
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I've only read the first 10 pages so far.  I decided to stop at the first flashback for now, because of the god damn italics.

I liked it, and I certainly wanted some answers by the end of those first 10 pages.  How did the guy survive? What happened to him? How did he get those wounds?

Btw, before I say anymore, is this the right thread to be posting in? Or are we going to have another thread?  I don't want to post too much either if we're having another discussion thread, otherwise I'll end up spoiling things.

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I've only read the first 10 pages so far.  I decided to stop at the first flashback for now, because of the god damn italics.

I liked it, and I certainly wanted some answers by the end of those first 10 pages.  How did the guy survive? What happened to him? How did he get those wounds?

Btw, before I say anymore, is this the right thread to be posting in? Or are we going to have another thread?  I don't want to post too much either if we're having another discussion thread, otherwise I'll end up spoiling things.


This is the final thread, but as mentioned above, you should keep comments brief and spoiler-free until Saturday. The one week given for everyone to read the script will be over then.
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Hey all, I'm on page 35. It's a very enjoyable read so far, holds attention nicely. I hope to finish soon and find it on itunes or something - we don't get netflix (or hulu or any other good medium) here.

Interesting questions Max - not the ones I have on mind though, but I have plenty as well. I'm curious to see how far they'll let us in with the pilot.


And yes, DS, I've heard of the spoilers. Not going to include any till Saturday.
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I'm no "Expert" like most, but I think being a HUGE fan of this show and also the DC comics character that it is based on makes me a little.. what's the word.. Bias towards the script.

Though still in learning phase, and reading different scripts to know more, I can clearly see the differences between this to say the Superman Returns script. Though both based on DC comics characters they are both for different formats, one movie, one television. The lack of commas made me want to physically draw them in on my computer screen. But I guess that comes from me being a creative writer and not a script writer.

Adored the pilot of the show - make that every episode of the show, and reading the script has given me a whole new respect to the show and the writers. It must be hard to take a previously written character that has been around since 1941 and create a show that would be this popular.


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It's very unusual for me to finish the read this early - great script. THey changed it quite a bit when shooting, but the changes make sense.

Hey, got any more Arrow shooting scripts? I'm hooked on the show I guess but I liked the exercise - anything that makes reading more of a pleasure. Please let me know where to find the shooting scripts for Arrow if you know the place. I looked but managed to find only transcripts.
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@SoullessDragon: Welcome to the thread! Hope you'll join in on the discussion.

@khamanna: Nope.

And it is Saturday. That means we can kick things off properly now. Let's start with giving everyone the change to summarize their thoughts on the read first. What was your overall opinion? What do you want to highlight? What did you like the most and what did you dislike the most?
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Overall opinion: Good. Perfect for Television watching...fast paced and entertaining.

Things I liked the most: Pace, the constant posing of dramatic questions, the conflicts that were readily created between characters and on a larger scale.

Dislike the most: A little too much soap opera. It's there for a reason, I suppose, but a story focusing more on the darker, realistic elements of the script would be even better for my particular tastes.

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Overall thoughts:

As I mentioned above, I was skeptical when I started reading. It looked usually soapy with rich and beautiful people, and superheroes, which I didn't really consider a positive thing either. All of that held up, but it was suprisingly enjoyable. I was most impressed by how everything in the script was just set to grab attention. It was hard to take a break, the plot moved fast and the writers just kept dropping in clues, questions, well timed answers to previous questions and lots o' twists. The action-packed, unrealistic, fun tone certainly helped, but I think the execution here is worth a look for writers from each genre.

The pilot really managed to set up a lot in a brief amount of time and I found mostly all of it interesting. It's apparent that there are going to be plenty of storylines to follow. I won't stop on them all right now as it would take a lot of space. The business aspect didn't get much screentime for the pilot, and understandably so, but I liked how it was handled. A reason for his family's wealth and their positions in it was actually shown and handled believably, instead of sidelining it almost completely and just having everyone be rich. I don't know how much focus it will get in future episodes, but I liked it here.

The two sides to Oliver, as usually for superhero stories, were also interesting. He's not just an average guy, he's a rich spoiled brat -- seeing him swap between the two was great to follow. Tommy was a fun representation of that side, the comedical character. I didn't enjoy his entrance scene at all, but warmed to the character later on. The choice for him to be the first to find out about Oliver was a very good one imo.

What didn't sit with me was the reveal of the kidnapper. It just seemed out of place that Moira's first move to find everything out would be to order a violent kidnapping, when she could have spied on him -- or hell -- even tried to ask what happened. She was just too close to Oliver for it to feel necessary. Maybe it'll be explained better in future episodes, but I wasn't a big fan of that reveal. It was important for the superhero reveal and for Tommy to find out, too, but still.

I liked how Thea fit into the equation, too, kind of a mini-Oliver who he'll have to protect for becoming himself. Not so sure how interesting this story-line would be in the long term, though.

Intriguing decision to name the detective "detective" to avoid the surname reveal too early. With all his witty lines, I found it odd that he was only called that... and then later realized that there's a big reveal going to happen. Looks like he will be the one mainly in the way of Oliver/Arrow's goals. A lot established quickly for his character, stand-out lines.He doesn't seem like a traditional antagonist, nor the traditional good guy, he has his own reasons -- as understandable as Oliver's, so this stand-off looks very promising. Laurel's character is stuck in the middle of all that and the story surrounding her, I found interesting. Her character itself, contrastingly bland. A smart, sexy, good girl who's a professional and good at her job, with conflicted romantic feelings against the protagonist - rings a bell.
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Sorry for having been absent here. Been busy lately and this is also a holiday weekend here in the US. I'm taking it easy today though and will park my flat but poolside and just read today. I will finish up the last 15 pages of Arrow and give my input later today.

Good script, btw. Have not seen the show, but I definitely dig the script. Good choice.  


PS: I've had a hard time pulling up the SS site lately. I don't think it's on my end since it's the same when I'm far away from home and using my phone. Anyone else had that issue lately?


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It's been fine here. There was an issue yesterday but it didn't last long.
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I had no trouble with the site.

About the Arrow - I liked it a lot. It's been an extremely smooth read. I got lost at times but still kept going - for example I had no idea what Tommy was doing when Oliver went for those guys.

They cut the part where Oliver delivers the speech to the guys by the way - I think that was smart of them and it's obvious to me why they had to do it. They don't want us to be sure that Tommy heard it all.

I also liked the fact that in the movie he doesn't hear his mother's last lines. From the script it seems ike he does.

Overall - they earthinized the superman idea. It's like Oliver has super powers but they are not super and everything is not a fantasy. And it's believable.

It's a bit melodramatic - I have to agree with most of you here. But I'd watch the first season and see where it goes.
Can't still find the scripts. If I was in California i'd go to the library of Congress for this one. Because it pushes me to read and it's a super light read for me. At least the pilot was. Great choice.  
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As I mentioned above, I was skeptical when I started reading. It looked usually soapy with rich and beautiful people, and superheroes, which I didn't really consider a positive thing either. All of that held up, but it was suprisingly enjoyable. I was most impressed by how everything in the script was just set to grab attention. It was hard to take a break, the plot moved fast and the writers just kept dropping in clues, questions, well timed answers to previous questions and lots o' twists. The action-packed, unrealistic, fun tone certainly helped, but I think the execution here is worth a look for writers from each genre.

That, to me is what separates pro scripts from amateur. They know how to keep us turning the pages with characters, info/clues, mystery and pacing. I found this an enjoyable read as well. I was really really busy last week and that kept me from reading the entire script in one sitting, but if I had had the time, this script would've been a breeze to read through.

I too, was a bit turned off by the cliche* billionaire beautiful, blah blah people, but the mystery of what had happened was interesting enough to override that. Btw, I HATE superheroes!!!!! I had not seen the show and I had no idea Oliver is supposed to be one. If I had known, I would've lost interest right away. In this pilot, that was not an issue however as the superhero stuff didn't really come into play until later on.


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The pilot really managed to set up a lot in a brief amount of time and I found mostly all of it interesting. It's apparent that there are going to be plenty of storylines to follow. I won't stop on them all right now as it would take a lot of space. The business aspect didn't get much screentime for the pilot, and understandably so, but I liked how it was handled. A reason for his family's wealth and their positions in it was actually shown and handled believably, instead of sidelining it almost completely and just having everyone be rich. I don't know how much focus it will get in future episodes, but I liked it here.
I thought that was a good set-up for a bigger plot later on. Not enough room for it in this pilot. Here, we're just introduced to the main characters and the mystery of what happened to Oliver during those five years and what the hell happened to his dad? An accident or something more sinister? Enough to keep me reading.


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The two sides to Oliver, as usually for superhero stories, were also interesting. He's not just an average guy, he's a rich spoiled brat -- seeing him swap between the two was great to follow. Tommy was a fun representation of that side, the comedical character. I didn't enjoy his entrance scene at all, but warmed to the character later on. The choice for him to be the first to find out about Oliver was a very good one imo.
I haven't warmed up to him yet.


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What didn't sit with me was the reveal of the kidnapper. It just seemed out of place that Moira's first move to find everything out would be to order a violent kidnapping, when she could have spied on him -- or hell -- even tried to ask what happened. She was just too close to Oliver for it to feel necessary. Maybe it'll be explained better in future episodes, but I wasn't a big fan of that reveal. It was important for the superhero reveal and for Tommy to find out, too, but still.
I agree with this 100%.


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I liked how Thea fit into the equation, too, kind of a mini-Oliver who he'll have to protect for becoming himself. Not so sure how interesting this story-line would be in the long term, though.[quote] I liked their relationship. Sort of a special close one. I imagine they will share a lot of things between each other in future episodes.

[quote=MarkoMalling]Intriguing decision to name the detective "detective" to avoid the surname reveal too early. With all his witty lines, I found it odd that he was only called that... and then later realized that there's a big reveal going to happen. Looks like he will be the one mainly in the way of Oliver/Arrow's goals. A lot established quickly for his character, stand-out lines.He doesn't seem like a traditional antagonist, nor the traditional good guy, he has his own reasons -- as understandable as Oliver's, so this stand-off looks very promising. Laurel's character is stuck in the middle of all that and the story surrounding her, I found interesting. Her character itself, contrastingly bland. A smart, sexy, good girl who's a professional and good at her job, with conflicted romantic feelings against the protagonist - rings a bell.
I thought of House of Cards...

One thing I noticed in this script, which I do see a lot in pro quality scripts was the use of "prelap" dialogue. I don't use this myself in scripts. I always thought of it as an editor's job in post. However, it does make for better transitions, IMHO.  


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Okay, I just vaguely skipped through some comments, yet I got the feeling I'm going to be in the opposition here

I don't watch the series btw.

Overall thoughts:
Because of this script I don't watch many series. I didn't like, can't even remember the trailers; then there's that production design which doesn't look high end when I zap around for a second. The story mirrors that whole impression.

What do you want to highlight?
At page 7 I'd almost laid it down. Gruesome introduction of characters, scene after scene. Most of them had even been introduced off screen within dialogues by characters that I only just had discovered. I don't know.  

It felt like five times a TV Voice or whoever on TV repeated Oliver had vanished at sea for 5 years.  Methodically treated like an idiot I guess. V.O. and flashback alert too.

The whole characterization was **** - Here an example I want to highlight: The detective being the father of both sisters is a good plot ( p58 ) – it is, no doubt—BUT then, after five years, the writers want to tell us, that for the first time the detective describes Laurel, what he did the day her sister, his daughter, got lost at sea; he explains everything in detail, just to tell us stupid folks an emotional journey. No, it's just cheating for plotting emotions in there.

What did you like the most:
I think it's interesting to experience how the protagonist's senses and wits have sharpened during his island stay; realistic or not but that's interesting. I think Diggle and the Detective are the only interesting characters to build up on story wise.

what did you dislike the most?
It all felt like a mix of Batman Begins, a bit of Spiderman and what else is on the market. The characters are cardboard stereotypes, developed weak and treated superficial just to force and manipulate the viewers' emotions when needed.


When I read the writers credits so far, it has matched with my personal taste to dislike this pilot. Still I respect them for being successful with other viewers of course. So, that's my first impression. Now I read what you thought exactly and will interact if possible.




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