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Don
Posted: April 6th, 2018, 2:55pm Report to Moderator
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Folks,

With regard to the Star Voting System.  I realized an irregularity when Eldave1 noticed something odd in the voting, namely large jumps in scores when voting.  I have investigated and found out why.  

Poor Math...

In the human world scores of 1, 3, 5  and 5, 3, 1 would average to  3

1+3+5=9 ; 9/3 = 3

5+3+1=9; 9/3 = 3

However, in the discussion board, the star system averages things differently.  
In the case of votes in order of 1, 3 and 5

1+3 = 4 ; 4/2 = 2 ; 2 + 5 = 7 ; 7/2 = 3.5 final score

In the case of votes in order of 5, 3 and 1

5+3 = 8 ; 8/2 = 4 ; 4 + 1 = 5 ; 5/2 = 2.5 final score

In the case of votes in order of 1, 5 and 3

1+5 = 6 ; 6/2 = 3 ; 3 + 3 = 6 ; 6/2 = 3 final score

So, the order of voting did matter.

What are we going to do about it?

Nothing.  I am working under the assumption that, in the giant scheme of things, everything kinda balances out.

I know this is a free challenge, however, we do strive to make it as professional and transparent as possible since the participants take the challenges seriously.

I apologize for this and thank you in advance for your understanding.



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Wow, that's interesting. Does this mean that the overall score at the second to last vote was averaged with the last vote?

That is, if a script had 19 5s, with a an obviously overall score of 5, and the last vote was a 1, the script would show as a 3?

That's quite unfortunate. But, what can you do?

As you said, we're all doing this for fun, so, no complaints from me.


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Quoted from PKCardinal
Wow, that's interesting. Does this mean that the overall score at the second to last vote was averaged with the last vote?

That is, if a script had 19 5s, with a an obviously overall score of 5, and the last vote was a 1, the script would show as a 3?

That's quite unfortunate. But, what can you do?

As you said, we're all doing this for fun, so, no complaints from me.


Unfortunately, yes.  And vice versa - 19 1s, and the last vote a 5 would show a 3.

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I've no idea if that issue makes a material difference to anyone's scores when the example is a lot more than 3 votes, but if you know the scores for each script then a real average would be simple enough, though a little time-consuming.

I work for a bank and have been known to add up every now and again so happy to do it.


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Any thought to just posting the script pairings and letting us all vote a top 4?

(I don't want to complicate things for you, as this has been a ton of work for you both, and I appreciate it greatly.)


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Don,

Do we have the actual scores saved up, or just the averages? If we have the actuals, I can do them tonight and have the results of this round up then begin round 4 tomorrow and just move things back one day.


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Quoted from AnthonyCawood
I've no idea if that issue makes a material difference to anyone's scores when the example is a lot more than 3 votes, but if you know the scores for each script then a real average would be simple enough, though a little time-consuming.

I work for a bank and have been known to add up every now and again so happy to do it.


Anthony,

Unfortunately,  I don't know the votes for each script.  I don't know why it was coded this way but what happens is that a .rate file is created with the first vote, e.g.,

1VOTER

When there is a second vote, that file is opened up and the new vote - 5-  is added to the current vote and divided by 2 and the voter is appended and the file save so the file looks like this:

3VOTERVOTER2

I didn't imagine to check before it started.

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Interesting. This thread shows one vote for five stars. Let's see what happens when I give it a one star....
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Hold on...I'll get my 13 year old daughter to figure out this new math
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Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Don,

Do we have the actual scores saved up, or just the averages? If we have the actuals, I can do them tonight and have the results of this round up then begin round 4 tomorrow and just move things back one day.


All we have are the 'averages' (which we know are not averages). The discussion board does the math and adds it to a file with the name of the voter.  So, I know who voted for each script, but I don't know what those votes were.

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I wouldn't mind submitting my scores the way we normally do. I have them down. I imagine most of us could probably recollect their scores for the scripts.
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Just tested it on this thread. That's crazy.


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Not something you'd have any reason to check Don... you'd assume normal averages would be used, the way it has been coded is bizarre to say the least!


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Can you create a poll with all the scripts listed and PM the poll to all those who voted? I'll gladly vote again, and I'm pretty sure I remember what I gave each script.


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