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screenrider
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 1:50pm Report to Moderator
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So as not to keep hijacking the "who wrote what thread" or take away from Cornetto's Screenwriter's Showdown, I've opened this thread.

A quick recap;

Baltis has a thirty page script.  I have a thirty page script.    We've agreed to go head to head.  Script against script.   Of course this is all pending on whether Don allows us to do it.

Suggested guidelines:

1) - We'll both submit our script (to Don) within the next couple days.

2) - No required genre or theme.

3) - Scripts will be scored on a point system by three or four judges whosescores will remain anonymous.  No one will know which judge gave what score.  Scores will be sent to Bert and then he will post them.  (Bert hasn't agreed to this yet, but I have a feeling he might)

4) Scoring criteria; 1 to 10 points (10 being the best) on the following components.   Format, Originality, Creartivity, Marketability - (or FOC'M for short)

Dreamscale has already agreed to be a judge.    We'd need a few more volunteers.   I'd like to nominate JohnnyBoy, Electric Dreamer, Andrew Allen, GirlO or maybe even RayW (God forbid).  

Alright, it's pretty simple.   Any thoughts?  

(Keep in mind this all hinges on Don't approval --  Even if it's against his better judgment)

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Quoted from screenrider
We'd need a few more volunteers.   I'd like to nominate JohnnyBoy, Andrew Allen, GirlO or maybe even RayW (God forbid).  

Who do you think sent me to this planet to give guys like you some perspective?
God forbids nothing.  





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Stay on topic, Ray.   You gonna be a judge or not?  If not then spare us your cute rhetoric.

Subject keeps changing on it's own, but that's okay. I have a broader scope of vision than some.
Yessir. I'd be honored.
Awww! That's so sweet. You called my rhetoric "cute"!




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screenrider
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 1:56pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from RayW

Who do you think sent me to this planet to give guys like you some perspective?
God forbids nothing.  



Tee-hee-hee

Stay on topic, Ray.   You gonna be a judge or not?  If not then spare us your cute rhetoric.
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Posted: March 8th, 2011, 2:02pm Report to Moderator
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Format is 1/4 of the grade??  Marketability?

What about Story, Narrative flow, Dialogue, and Character?

Your scoring system is very flawed.  I think you are rushing through this -- again.


Hey, it's my tiny, little IMDb!
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screenrider
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 2:04pm Report to Moderator
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Format is 1/4 of the grade??  Marketability?

What about Story, Narrative flow, Dialogue, and Character?

Your scoring system is very flawed.  I think you are rushing through this -- again.


Then I'm open for suggestions.   Fire away.

EDIT:  My intention is to keep the scoring system simple as possible.  
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And.......go!




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Funny  ^
            
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Dreamscale
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 2:14pm Report to Moderator
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Yeah, that scoring system is not good at all.

Who is GirlO, BTW?  Is she a regular around here?
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screenrider
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 2:22pm Report to Moderator
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Yeah, that scoring system is not good at all.

Who is GirlO, BTW?  Is she a regular around here?


Meet GirlO.  http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1299561892/

Jeff, if you have a problem with the scoring sytem then now's a good time to toss out some suggestions.   Maybe you and Bert can put your heads together.

Meanwhile I've gotta get back to my script.   I have a feeling Baltis is gonna come at me swingin'.

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Things to evaluate:

Format
Originality - Been there, done that, but it's still pretty good.
Creativity - How clever is the setup and solution?
Marketability - To whom? Hollywood or Indie?
Story - Idea vs. Execution
Narrative flow & story pacing.
Dialog - Do we have a beef with talking heads? It seems some people do. I'm fine with it.
Character - Icon creating characters vs. comfortable stock characters

Emotional range required of actors and audience.
- Would actors be interested in playing these parts?
- Are there good lines to deliver?
- What will my film buddy and I say walking out to the car in the parking lot?

How many money shots are there for a trailer?
What single image would I put on a poster?
What images from this short will linger with me?
Can we make Halloween costumes of these characters?
Would people at work repeat any of these lines in the break room, hallway or parking lot?

If turned into a feature what are:
- Target Market Demographics
- Guestimated budget
- Academy Award material, Blockbuster, Cult following
- Guesstimated box office haul

But since it's a short:
- What shorts festivals to submit to
- Production budget
- In what style do you envision this being shot?

As is or rewrite X4 potential?

Would this attract kickstarter investors?




Quoted from screenrider
Those are all good points Ray, but ultimately it might be best to focus mainly on the story.  Who can tell the better story.  That's what this is basically all about.
Again, keeping it simple as possible.

I have a broader scope of vision than some.
Those are pretty basic story elements that go or would go into my evaluation of a film or screenplay.




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Those are all good points Ray, but ultimately it might be best to focus mainly on the story.  Who can tell the better story.  That's what this is basically all about.

Again, keeping it simple as possible.
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Dreamscale
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 3:14pm Report to Moderator
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It's about the writing as well.

Story is something that appeals to people in different ways.  Good, solid writing is good, Solid writing.

Same with dialogue...there's good dialogue and bad dialogue, and it has nothing to do with talking heads.
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I’d be keen. Has this been done before…?sounds like it could end badly

- From BlueCat:

What elements of the script are taken into consideration during the judging?
Story, Characterization, Dialogue, Description, Clarity, and Originality.

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Posted: March 8th, 2011, 3:24pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from GirlO
I’d be keen.  

What elements of the script are taken into consideration during the judging?
Story, Characterization, Dialogue, Description, Clarity, and Originality.




Quoted from Dreamscale
It's about the writing as well.

Story is something that appeals to people in different ways.  Good, solid writing is good, Solid writing.

Same with dialogue...there's good dialogue and bad dialogue, and it has nothing to do with talking heads.


All I know is that I intend on taking my readers for a cool ride.   I don't care about the make, model and style of the car.   If Don allows this to happen then you judges can figure out the scoring system amongst yourselves.    But for the sake of simplicity it should be done on a point system, IMO.  As to avoid feedback, opinions and crosstalk.  

Most importantly, no one will know what judge gave what score, as to protect the judges from any backlash.   Sorta speak.

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Baltis.
Posted: March 8th, 2011, 3:59pm Report to Moderator
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Mike, or David, would rather attack Goliath here than take on someone more his speed.  The judging would have to be as unbiased as it can possibly be for this to go down.  Face it, over the years I've not been a fan favorite around here... And when you have an ego like mine that's to be expected.

I'd say you have the advantage of board power on your side mike... We couldn't have Jeff as a judge, but a good call having the new girl.  She doesn't know us from Adam or Eve.

Pardon the biblical puns...

Anyways, I'm away for much of the day... Using my phone to check in.  We have to get the criteria of judging, who the judges are and when to sub to move forward.  

One bit before I check out - is your script right on 30 pages?  Mine is a bit over after we talked last night.
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