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Posted by: Nixon, February 28th, 2006, 8:13pm
James Cameron's next project (Project 880) has been confirmed as Avatar, a love story set against interplanetary war. The film is targeted for a summer 2007 release.

A rather long Interview can be found here at Ain't-It-Cool-News

-Zavier
Posted by: bert, February 28th, 2006, 9:28pm; Reply: 1
Awww....crapp!

I remembered this one from the Movie Scripts page, but never got around to reading it.

I went back to it quick...but now it's just a dead link....
Posted by: Don, February 28th, 2006, 11:22pm; Reply: 2
Bert,

Sorry, dude.  It appears that all the avatar links have dried up.  What makes what I do so good is also a downfall.  IOW, the studios use sites like mine to find stuff that they don't want on the 'net.  

bummer.

Don
Posted by: bert, March 1st, 2006, 8:11am; Reply: 3
It's back!  Probably not for long though.

It's actually a "Scriptment" as opposed to an actual script.  It reads more like an essay than anything else.  Longer than a treatment, but kinda' like that.

I haven't read it yet so I don't know if it's any good -- but hey -- it's there.

Call it a hunch, but interested parties should probably download this pretty quick.
Posted by: bert, March 1st, 2006, 9:19am; Reply: 4
OK -- This so-called "scriptment" is actually pretty frickin' long.  It's like a short book.  I'm maybe a quarter of the way through it and need to set it aside for now.

But this Cameron is one clever bastard, I'll give him that.  After spending perhaps a bit too much time setting up what a hell-hole the Earth has become, he lays out one helluva' premise -- much too complex to describe here -- but flat-out brilliant.

The gist is a distant planet with a primative humanoid species, and our efforts to integrate with and exploit this world.  But there is much, much more to it than that.

This is a monster budget flick -- make no mistake about it.  But if he can get his vision to the screen in the manner it's described here, it should be stunning.

By all means check this out before it's gone!!!
Posted by: Takeshi (Guest), March 13th, 2006, 4:17pm; Reply: 5
Can anyone tell me why this film is called Avatar? What's the significance of the title?  
Posted by: Nixon, March 13th, 2006, 4:50pm; Reply: 6

Quoted from Takeshi
Can anyone tell me why this film is called Avatar? What's the significance of the title?  


Maybe Bert can tell you, sine he read the treatment. It seems the Avatar link is dead again.

-Zavier

Posted by: Don, March 13th, 2006, 5:08pm; Reply: 7
Avatar looks like it is back up.  Check out the script search
here

Don
Posted by: bert, March 13th, 2006, 5:35pm; Reply: 8
It's called "Avatar" because humans can't live on the alien world (see my previous post).

Through a bunch of genetic hoo-haa, the conciousness of a human can posses an alien body -- hence, the alien body is an Avatar.

Much like our own Avatars on this board conceal -- but are also an expression -- of our true selves.

This is worth a read if you can find it.  It's kind of wordy, but also very cool.
Posted by: Acroname, March 18th, 2006, 12:56pm; Reply: 9
I just checked the Avatar link again and I still can't get on. Please get it working I want to read this - Cameron's my all-time favourite!!!
Posted by: dabrast, March 18th, 2006, 10:52pm; Reply: 10
Posted by: Nixon, July 4th, 2006, 5:56am; Reply: 11
"My summer vacation is over," a determined Cameron said this week, signaling an end to his nine-year absence from directing major motion pictures. "It's time to go back to work."

A great article about James Cameron's future projects can be found at MTV Movies.

-Zavier
Posted by: Acroname, July 4th, 2006, 10:05am; Reply: 12
HELL YEAH!!! Cameron is my all-time favourite writer-director, so these words were like music to my ears!!! He definately seems intent on staying in the dirctor's chair for a good few years to come. I can't wait for his next two films, especially Avatar, and I hope they annihilate the box-office and re-affirm Cameron's reputation to be one of the best filmmakers of all time.
Posted by: bert, July 4th, 2006, 10:30am; Reply: 13
The link Dab gives you a few posts back is still good.

It's a damm good read, folks.  And it'll get you fired up for the film, fer sure.
Posted by: Nixon, July 4th, 2006, 10:38am; Reply: 14

Quoted from bert
The link Dab gives you a few posts back is still good.


I'm saving it onto a Word Doc right now, you never know when it'll disappear again.

-Zavier
Posted by: Acroname, July 4th, 2006, 10:46am; Reply: 15
I just saved it an hour ago LOL! Everyone is thinking the same way here, this thing is like gold dust and I'm sure it won't stay online for long.
Posted by: Nixon, July 7th, 2006, 2:52pm; Reply: 16
James Cameron talked to The Hollywood Reporter about his next project, Avatar, to be released by Fox in summer 2008.

In the sci-fi thriller, Jake, a paraplegic war veteran is brought to another planet, Pandora, which is inhabited by the Na'vi, a humanoid race with their own language and culture. Those from Earth find themselves at odds with each other and the local culture.

Cameron says he hopes to start shooting a cast of unknown actors on a stage in Los Angeles by February.

"Believe it or not, the shooting is a very small part of it," Cameron says. "It's a very, very big project where the shooting is like a month and a half -- not really very much. There's just so much CG, and the visual effects are a huge component. A lot of it is performance capture. We use different techniques (from, for example, Sony Pictures' upcoming 'Monster House'), but it's the same general idea."

He added that they are "very active right now in terms of casting. We're not looking at anyone, we're looking at everyone. There are a number of characters that we can cast from that up-and-coming talent pool. They're not going to be well-known names -- until after the movie, hopefully."

You can read more of the interview, including how they will shoot the film, here.


-Zavier
Posted by: FilmMaker06, August 3rd, 2006, 8:32pm; Reply: 17
Peter Jackson's Weta Digital have singed on to do the effects for James Cameron's "Avatar."

Read more about it here

-Chris
Posted by: Nixon, August 4th, 2006, 12:41am; Reply: 18
Awesome news. I've read the scriptment a few times now (read it, if you haven’t) and the only people I'd trust with the necessary visuals would be the talented people at Weta. Great move on Cameron’s part.

-Zavier
Posted by: FilmMaker06, August 4th, 2006, 6:11pm; Reply: 19
I'm reading the script thing right now and I agree. Weta Digital (to me) is the best visual effects group.

I can't wait to see this movie. It's gonna be pretty awesome.

-Chris
Posted by: Nixon, December 22nd, 2006, 1:44am; Reply: 20
James Cameron recently talked to The Independent about his new feature, Avatar. Unfortunately, he says the film’s release date will now be pushed back to summer of 2009. This delay is due to the insane number of special effects required for the film. Read more about the “Sophisticated enough 'performance-capture' animation technology” Cameron has been developing for this "very ambitious sci-fi movie".

-Zavier
Posted by: Acroname, December 22nd, 2006, 6:40pm; Reply: 21
I read the article earlier today and I was very pleased, and somewhat relieved, with what Cameron had to say. It just showed that despite his eight year haitus he is still very much on the ball in the modern film industry. In fact I'd say he's probably leading it.

James Cameron, I think, is still a very underrated writer/director, despite having given us some of the most memorable movies in film history. Unlike a lot of renowned filmmakers, Cameron, in a lot of ways, is quite prophetic. He's always talking about pushing the boundaries, taking filmmaking to the next level, coming up with original ideas and making movies the best that they can possibly be. This is obviously why he's been away for so long.

Cameron isn't one of these dead directors who just throws out one film after the other just to pull a few tears or grab a couple of laughs, his films make you feel, think and use your imagination. He's not the type of filmmaker to join the ever growing league of zombie writers or hack 'n' slash directors just to get his name on screen again. All of his best films have been unique. And when he didn't have any new films to make anymore, he stayed away until something different came along. And after reading Avatar, I think Cameron's definately got something brand new in store for audiences.

I think with Hollywood being in the state that it's in, and with the poor quality of pop-culture films that are being spewed out nowadays, the industry needs someone like James Cameron to step up and take hold of the reins. I can't wait for Avatar, and of course I'm disappointed that the film isn't coming out until 2009, but I understand that Cameron, as always, just wants to make it the best that it can possibly be.

I'll be following the progress of the film over the next couple of years anyway, so it won't be too bad LOL! Roll on 2009 and James Cameron's long awaited return to feature films. Long live the King LOL!
Posted by: chism, December 23rd, 2006, 7:09am; Reply: 22
I agree. James Cameron is a true visionary. I've been wanting and hoping for him to make another movie since Titanic, but it just hasn't happened (unless you count Ghosts of the Abyss and Aliens of the Deep, neither of which I have seen). It's a shame we're going to have to wait another two and a half years before we get to see the fruits of his decade-long hiatus, but if the Avatar turns out to be half as good as it sounds then it will most definitely be worth the wait.

I'm a huge Cameron fan and I agree that he is definitely underrated (even though he's a multi-Oscar winner). His films do hit quite a few emotions on the spectrum and they do make for a good sit down and think, especially films like T2 and The Abyss.

Welcome back, James Cameron. You've been sorely missed and I cannot wait to go and see Avatar.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Acroname, December 23rd, 2006, 7:56am; Reply: 23
I was hoping that the N'avi (if that's how it's spelled) would be created using live-actors in full body makeup instead of motion-capture. I really don't like CGI films because most of the time they fall short of reality. But this is a James Cameron film afterall. I'm sure the CGI he's developed will be very photo-realistic. I mean -- he actually let Peter Jackson and Steven Spielberg, two of the world's most influential directors, play with some of his exclusively new CGI equipment! So it must be good!

I think Cameron made a wise move by holding the movie back. The alien planet that's going to be explored in Avatar, along with the N'avi and the multitude of jungle animals, has the potential to be a truly unique visual spectacle, so it has to be done right. And it's all going to be done in 3D! This movie is going to redefine the word 'awsome'.
Posted by: chism, December 23rd, 2006, 5:29pm; Reply: 24

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And it's all going to be done in 3D! This movie is going to redefine the word 'awsome'.


Could do, but I've never been a big fan of 3-D. It gives me a headache a lot of the time. But I mean if anyone can pull something like this off its James Cameron.


Cheers, Chismeister
Posted by: Acroname, December 24th, 2006, 11:13am; Reply: 25
I think there's going to have to be an interval in the middle of this film. It's going to be quite long, and like a rollercoaster, after a while you'll probably feel lethargic. I've been to a few IMAX 3D films, one of them being Cameron's Ghosts of the Abyss, and after only twenty minutes I've felt a little sick! And that's only small movies, what's it going to be like watching a 3D action/adventure movie?
Posted by: chism, January 8th, 2007, 8:13pm; Reply: 26
Massive Avatar update guys. This is from http://www.comingsoon.net:


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Academy Award®-winning filmmaker James Cameron begins principal photography on Avatar - his first feature directorial effort since Titanic - in April 2007 for a summer 2009 release, it was announced today by Fox Filmed Entertainment Chairmen Jim Gianopulos and Tom Rothman.

Utilizing a blend of live-action photography and new virtual photorealistic production techniques invented by Cameron's team, Avatar will offer audiences a unique cinematic experience. Avatar will be filmed in 3D for release in the new digital 3D format. With the continued roll-out of digital projection systems, the studio and filmmakers anticipate that digital 3D theaters will be widespread by the film's summer 2009 release.

For Avatar, Cameron will use revolutionary image-based performance capture techniques, and a real-time virtual camera system, to create new CG worlds and blend them with dramatic performances and live action in ways never before possible.

Avatar is written by Cameron from an idea he nurtured for over a decade, while working on the technology necessary to realize its wholly imagined world. A return to the action adventure sci-fi genre that made him famous, Avatar is also an emotional journey of redemption and revolution. It is the story of a wounded ex-marine, thrust unwillingly into an effort to settle and exploit an exotic planet rich in bio-diversity, who eventually crosses over to lead the indigenous race in a battle for survival. It thus again combines the elements of massive spectacle and intimate character that made Titanic the highest grossing film of all time; a title it still holds by over three quarters of a billion dollars.

Just as he did with the then little known Leonardo DiCaprio, Cameron wanted a new face to portray the lead, Jake Sully. Having searched around the world and screen tested a number of emerging young actors, Cameron has chosen the young Australian Sam Worthington, a rising star who has been recognized by The Australian Film Institute and The Film Critics Circle of Australia, in his homeland from such work as Somersault and Dirty Deeds. Zoe Saldana (The Terminal, Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl) will portray the local woman Jake first betrays, then loves. Both actors have signed on for possible future installments as well, as Avatar is conceived as a potential franchise. Other casting will be announced shortly.

Said Cameron, "For me, as a lifelong fan of science fiction and action, 'Avatar' is a dream project. We're creating an entire world, a complete ecosystem of phantasmagorical plants and creatures, and a native people with a rich culture and language. The story is both epic and emotional. The two things that make this film even possible are pioneering advances in CG effects and performance capture, as well as my 22 year relationship with Fox, since only with great trust can you operate so close to the cutting edge. I plan to honor that relationship by bringing them a winner. And I have the team to do it, the best team of artists and technicians I've ever been privileged to work with. This one's going to be a grand adventure."

"Every year, our business makes hundreds of films, most of which come and go. But a Jim Cameron film is different," said Tom Rothman and Jim Gianopulos. "Jim's movies raise the bar, both in storytelling and use of technology. 'Avatar' will do so again. The world he has created is breathtaking and the action breathless. It will take two more years, but in the summer of 2009, 'Avatar' will be a seismic change in the movie going experience."

The film's new image-based process of facial performance capture will get all the subtle nuances of the actors' performances. The virtual camera system will allow Cameron to work intimately with the cast while seeing in real-time, as each scene evolves, the computer generated worlds and characters. This revolutionary approach allows Cameron to direct scenes with CG characters and environments exactly as he would on a live action set.

The edited performances and scenes, incorporating Cameron's hands-on camera moves, will be turned over to Peter Jackson's Oscar-winning visual effects house Weta Digital ("The Lord of the Rings" trilogy). Weta's artists will incorporate new intuitive CGI technologies to transform the environments and characters into photorealistic 3D imagery that will transport the audience into the alien world rich with imaginative vistas, creatures and characters.

Avatar is produced by Cameron and Jon Landau for Cameron's Lightstorm Entertainment. Principal photography will take place in and around Los Angeles, and in New Zealand. Live action will be shot using the proprietary FUSION digital 3D camera system developed by Cameron and Vince Pace.

Avatar is the latest creative partnership between Cameron and Twentieth Century Fox, one of the most successful filmmaker-studio alliances in motion picture history. Cameron and Fox first joined forces in 1985 for Aliens, which became a sci fi classic. Next came The Abyss, which revolutionized visual effects technology; and True Lies, a blockbuster starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. In 1996, Fox greenlighted Cameron's Titanic, which became the most successful film in history, and won a record-breaking eleven Academy Awards, including Best Picture.


Woah. Is anyone else excited or is it just me?


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Acroname, January 8th, 2007, 10:47pm; Reply: 27
OH MAN THIS IS GETTING BETTER ALL THE TIME!!!

Thanks for that info Chismeister! I was under the impression that we were going to have to wait at least another six months before hearing anything about Avatar, so I was really surprised to read that Cameron has already cast Jake Sully! I now know from that artical that I'm not the only one who thinks James Cameron's one of THE best writers/directors in the industry! Roll on April 2007 and the months afterward because I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot about this behamoth while it's in production.
Posted by: Acroname, January 8th, 2007, 10:57pm; Reply: 28
Btw, I just looked at the photos of Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana. I think they'll really suit the roles, and Saldana is an absolute babe!! Maybe more directors will finally grow a set of b*lls and start casting unknown's in other lead roles. Anonymity in the actors/actresses means more empathy with the fictional characters.
Posted by: Alex J. Cooper, January 8th, 2007, 11:01pm; Reply: 29
This sounds awesome, especially when a word like "phantasmagorical" is used. An Aussie is playing the lead! Thats excellent, Timothy Worthington was great in Somersault. I'm excited!
Posted by: chism, January 9th, 2007, 1:41am; Reply: 30
Yeah this is gonna be a spectacle, that's for sure. Even if the story itself sucks, which is basically impossible seeming how its James freaking Cameron writing the script, at least we'll have something amazing to look at. Though I think the story and the characters will be top notch, it seems to be Cameron's strong point: creating a great plot with believable characters AND having kick-ass action. He has always done it really, really well and thank God he's finally getting back to it.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: chism, January 9th, 2007, 2:24am; Reply: 31
Looks like there is already some controversy surrounding the name of James Cameron's sci-fi epic. Again, this is taken from http://www.comingsoon.net:


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According to Variety, M. Night Shyamalan and Paramount are planning their own "Avatar" project, based on the popular Nickelodoen kids TV series.

The filmmaker has signed a three-picture deal with Paramount's MTV Films and Nick Movies to adapt the animated children's series "Avatar: The Last Airbender" for the big screen. He will write, direct and produce the potential kids franchise. The film version will be live-action.

Nick TV's "Avatar" follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars who must put aside his irresponsible ways and stop the Fire Nation from enslaving the Water, Earth and Air nations. The show was created by Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko.

The trade adds that Paramount confirmed the deal with Shyamalan just hours after 20th Century Fox announced it has given the green light to James Cameron's Avatar.

Although they may have the same name, the two projects have nothing to do with each other in terms of storylines. Cameron's is a sci-fi action-adventure that he's been working on for 11 years.

Paramount said it has registered the name of its project with the Motion Picture Association of America. A Fox rep said, "We own the movie title 'Avatar.' There won't be another film called 'Avatar' coming from anyplace."


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Acroname, January 9th, 2007, 2:44pm; Reply: 32
Does Shyamalan honestly think he can dispute with a James Cameron film? LOL!  8)
Posted by: chism, January 10th, 2007, 1:23am; Reply: 33
Recent, uncited rumour puts the budget of James Cameron's 3-D epic at somewhere around two hundred and forty million dollars. I think this would replace King Kong as the most expensive film ever made. At least I think it was King Kong. I could be making that last part up.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Acroname, January 10th, 2007, 10:30am; Reply: 34
I heard Superman Returns was budgeted at $260 million, but I seriously don't know where all that cash went because it definately didn't look as though it made it into the finished film, I think someone has bagged a lot of it for themselves. That's partially why I was so surprised when I read the early draft of Avatar. I thought that if Superman Returns had a $260 million budget, and it wasn't even a particularly good film, what the hell is Avatar going to be budgeted at?!
Posted by: chism, January 10th, 2007, 7:47pm; Reply: 35
Superman Returns director Bryan Singer has said in a couple of interview that the budget of $260 million was complete rumour and that the final budget for his film was $184.5 million.

And according to a clip on my local news, Avatar is budgeted at $190 million, which makes more sense to me. This could be after all the money it took to develop the camera systems and what not, but this is all just speculation.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Acroname, January 12th, 2007, 8:48pm; Reply: 36
I just briefly read over the early Avatar scriptment again (maybe I shouldn't say that in case I get shot LOL!), and I suddenly realised that the more and more I was reading, the more and more parallels I was beginning to draw with The Matrix. I'm not supposing that Cameron copied the Wachowski brothers or anything, quite the opposite, it seems like they copied a lot from him!

It's been common knowledge that Cameron has been working on Avatar for over ten years now. In fact the scriptment must have been read by many filmmakers in the industry before it was eventually pulled off the net, because it even made it into the list of top-twelve unproduced scripts in Hollywood! So Cameron has been working on this film for a long time, since before The Matrix even came out, which means that the Wachowski's would have had ample time to study it and perhaps pilfer from it for their film.

I know that a lot of The Matrix was copied from the "Ghost in the Shell" anime (If that's the right one), but I can definately compare some of the elements from that film with Cameron's Avatar. Without giving too much away, what about those giant, human-like robots in the third Matrix, with the guys strapped into them and with the built-in machine guns on the robot's forearms? Those are in Avatar, and are very similar in nature and usage.

And what about all the biblical/Greek terminology used in The Matrix films? Like Morpheus, Trinity, Zion and the Nebuccadnezzer (apologies for the spelling on that last one). There are a lot of mythological Greek names used in Avatar as well, and in just the same way. This is just speculation, but it makes sense when you think about it!

And also, the haggard crews on the ships and in the mess-halls are very similar in the two films, as are the types of ships themselves. And the fact that the crews have to eat "synthetic vitamins and minerals", as stated in the first Matrix, is basically identical to a line of narrative in Avatar.

And, obviously to anyone who has already read the scriptment, the biggest comparison of all is the switch of consciousness from the human body to another body via some sort of neurological link, which we all saw in The Matrix trilogy. This integral element is almost completely identical in the two films, except that Cameron makes much better use of it in terms of drama and action.

There are a lot more similarities between the two films but I'm not going to get into it because it would take too long! But all this, combined with all the stuff that the Wachowski's copied from the anime's, i.e. the Agents and also the switch of consciousness, makes me wonder whether they came up with any original material at all! This has been bugging me for some time and I just wanted to bring it up while the thread is still alive.
Posted by: chism, February 8th, 2007, 6:13am; Reply: 37
Here is the link to a really fantastic interview with writer/director James Cameron. You'll also get a little more info on his upcoming adaption of Battle Angel:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20007998_1,00.html


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Nixon, February 15th, 2007, 11:01am; Reply: 38
James Cameron recently talked with Ain't It Cool News on his way back from shooting three days of live action work in Kauai for Avatar. In the conversation, he confirmed more members of the cast:

Wes Studi, Sigourney Weaver (confirmed as Grace), Peter Mensah, Joel David Moore, C.C.H. Pounderand and Laz Alonso.

Cameron will now begin a stage of the production called Pre-Capture with stars Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana. You can read more on Cameron's comments here.

-Zavier
Posted by: Acroname, February 15th, 2007, 3:21pm; Reply: 39
I read James Cameron's comments and have to say I think he's definately going to keep us well updated throughout this production. He seems to understand how powerful the internet is and that it's good to keep his fans in his circle. I'm excited about the addition of Sigourney Weaver to the cast! Casting such an extablished actress as Weaver makes me realise that Cameron still knows what he's doing.
Posted by: chism, February 15th, 2007, 5:01pm; Reply: 40
Oh this is fantastic. I'd heard the rumours of Sigourney Weaver's involvement on the film, but confirmation is pretty exciting. And, again, this movie is going to rock.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Acroname, February 16th, 2007, 9:49am; Reply: 41
I don't know about everybody else, but it seems so fresh for me to hear that James Cameron is out there shooting a movie again. And not just any movie, a truly groundbreaking movie, which will be thought provoking, as well as visually stunning and entertaining. Hopefully Avatar will breathe some life back into the sci-fi genre. It really is one of the best genre's of the movie-making art.  
Posted by: chism, February 23rd, 2007, 12:56am; Reply: 42
Two words:

RELEASE and DATE.


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Avatar, James Cameron's long-awaited non-doc follow-up to his 1997 Oscar-winning blockbuster Titanic, has claimed its date of release, and it's going to be hitting theatres on Memorial Day weekend in 2009. That's in just 27 short months for those who want to start standing in line.

With a cast that includes Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana and Sigourney Weaver, Cameron's sci-fi epic is about a wounded ex-marine, thrust unwillingly into an effort to settle and exploit an exotic planet rich in bio-diversity, who eventually crosses over to lead the indigenous race in a battle for survival.


This. Is. Awesome.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: chism, March 22nd, 2007, 4:57pm; Reply: 43
If you're into the technical side of this movie, click the link below to watch a video from an Australian show called "Beyond Tomorrow", which goes into some great detail about the new HD 3D camera system that Cameron and his team have been developing for Avatar.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-241532803911842846&q=james+cameron&hl=en

Also, according to PlanetPandora.com, Cameron and his team have already shot about ten minutes of the movie. So that's going pretty fast.


Cheers, Chismeister.
Posted by: Nixon, January 13th, 2009, 11:25am; Reply: 44
The first real image (that I can recall) is up over at the New York Times, along with a depressing article regarding the possible future of 3-D films. Check out the image below and if you want to read the article, that can be found here but the NYT requires you to register and log in. I'm guessing this bed is where people go to recover after watching Avatar and suffering a massive overdose of awesome.  




Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, January 13th, 2009, 2:03pm; Reply: 45
Nixon, could you copy and paste what you find depressing about the article. I'm too lazy to register, but I'm interested in what disturbs you?
Posted by: Nixon, January 13th, 2009, 3:46pm; Reply: 46
Here's the article (take that, copyright laws). The gist of it is that the studios are dumping lots of cash into 3-D movies (like Avatar), but movie theaters haven't jumped on the 3-D band wagon. And without expensive upgrades to projection equipment in theaters, mass market 3-D releases aren't really possible. It comes down to math. Only 1,300 of North America’s 40,000 movie screens support digital 3-D but Studios require about 3,000 screens in North America for most new releases.

So basically, what bothers me is that digital 3-D (which I've read amazing things about) could die in it's crib, smothered by a pillow wielding theater owner.


Quoted from NYT


Hollywood Finds Headaches in Its Big Bet on 3-D

By BROOKS BARNES
LOS ANGELES — The imminent full-bore return to 3-D filmmaking, upon which the movie industry is placing many of its hopes, is in danger of becoming Hollywood’s latest flub.

Some of the mightiest forces in film — Jeffrey Katzenberg, James Cameron, John Lasseter — think the multiplex masses will soon demand that all movies be shown in newly available digital 3-D. Mr. Katzenberg, in particular, has pushed the format, trotting the globe to herald the technology as a transformative moment for cinema akin to the introduction of sound.

His bandwagon has plenty of passengers, at least in Hollywood. The Walt Disney Company alone has 15 three-dimensional movies in its pipeline. Twentieth Century Fox is betting an estimated $200 million on “Avatar,” a 3-D space adventure directed by Mr. Cameron and set for December release, his first nondocumentary film since 1997’s “Titanic,” still the biggest moneymaker in movie history, without counting inflation. All told, the movie factory has over 30 3-D pictures on the way.

But analysts are starting to warn that all of that product could find itself sitting on a loading dock with no place to go. Studios, thrilled by 3-D’s dual promises of higher profits and artistic advancement, have aggressively embraced the technology without waiting for movie theaters to get on board. And without those expensive upgrades to projection equipment at the multiplex, mass market 3-D releases are not tenable.

“It’s starting to look like there will be a lot of disappointed producers unable to realize the upside of these 3-D investments,” said Harold L. Vogel, a media analyst and the author of “Entertainment Industry Economics.” Filming in 3-D adds about $15 million to production costs, he said, but can send profit soaring because of premium ticket pricing.

Only about 1,300 of North America’s 40,000 or so movie screens support digital 3-D. (Imax adds 250.) Overseas, where films now generate up to 70 percent of their theatrical revenue, only a few hundred theaters can support the technology. It costs about $100,000 for each full upgrade.

Studios require about 3,000 screens in North America for most new releases. Popcorn movies like “Avatar” or “Monsters vs. Aliens,” a 3-D entry from DreamWorks Animation, typically open on more than 4,000 screens.

“The crunch has everybody scrambling,” said Chuck Viane, president for domestic distribution for Walt Disney Studios. “We had expected many more screens to be available by now, no doubt about it.”

Upgrades have lagged primarily because of industry infighting over who will shoulder the cost. Studios expected theaters to take the lead because digital equipment would allow them to raise prices — tickets to the new crop of 3-D movies run as high as $25 each — and lure consumers away from their big-screen living room TVs. Exhibitors, hurt by soaring real estate costs, wanted studios to pay for similar reasons.

Movie chains and four of the six major studios agreed in September on a plan to convert upward of 15,000 theaters using $1 billion in debt financing arranged through JPMorgan Chase. But the squabbling took too long: The financing plan came together just as the credit markets froze.

Studios and exhibitors say the upgrade plan is not in jeopardy.

“This is a long-term commitment and a long-term strategy,” Mr. Katzenberg, the chief of DreamWorks, said recently.

Meanwhile, the Digital Cinema Implementation Partners, a consortium of exhibitors and studios, is pursuing alternative financing to allow the plan to proceed in steps. “Rather than just being patient, we are aggressively exploring all options,” said Rich Manzione, the group’s vice president for strategic planning.

Other participants seem less optimistic. Will the credit markets thaw in the first quarter, as Mr. Katzenberg predicts? “Your guess is as good as mine,” said Mike Campbell, the chief executive of the Regal Entertainment Group, which owns the nation’s largest movie theater chain.

Meanwhile, the shortage of 3-D theaters is upsetting profit projections at various studios, with three-dimensional movies probably leaving millions of dollars on the table. When DreamWorks Animation releases “Monsters vs. Aliens” on March 27, it will have to settle for half the number of 3-D screens it wanted. While acknowledging the shortage, Mr. Katzenberg recently told analysts there were enough theaters available to “recover our upfront investment and make a profit.”

To get an idea of how much money is at stake, DreamWorks Animation recently estimated that one of its hit titles, released entirely in 3-D, would earn an additional $80 million in profit.

The shortage is sending mixed messages to moviegoers, many of whom are already skeptical of the claims about 3-D. Because of a shortage of outlets last summer, Warner Brothers had to scramble to change the marketing for “Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D” — dropping “3D” from the title — and offer a two-dimensional release in tandem. Lionsgate will have just 900 3-D theaters available for “My Bloody Valentine 3D” on Jan. 16, forcing the studio to show a standard version on about 1,600 screens.

The delay is also threatening to undercut one of the primary benefits for theaters — the ability to deliver an experience that consumers cannot replicate at home. But the home entertainment market is rapidly catching up, with companies developing 3-D options for the home.

RealD, a California company that is the lead provider of 3-D technology for theaters, last week demonstrated a similar product for televisions at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

Michael Lewis, the chief executive of RealD, said in an interview that he expected Americans to own 10 million 3-D-capable television sets within five years.

People who remember 3-D from the 1950s roll their eyes at Hollywood’s renewed fascination with the medium. They associate 3-D with cheesy films (“Creature From the Black Lagoon”), stiff cardboard glasses and jerky, stomach-turning camera movements.

This time, movie executives insist that everything has changed. Digital projectors deliver the images with perfect precision — eliminating headaches and nausea — while plastic glasses have replaced the cardboard.

Most important, say filmmakers, new equipment allows movies to be built in 3-D from the ground up, providing a more immersive and realistic viewing experience and not one based just on visual gimmicks.

Posted by: bert, January 13th, 2009, 3:57pm; Reply: 47
Haha...those guys are so silly.

Even a kid knows that 3-D is not really going to catch on in a big way until the technology has moved beyond the need to wear those silly glasses.

If somebody shows you 3-D technology that does not require silly glasses...invest.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, January 13th, 2009, 4:24pm; Reply: 48
Cheers.

I'm in two or three minds about this whole thing.

I think it's fairly essential for the survival of cinema that they have something different. The quality of home systems is amazing these days. It would be a shame if theatres were to close and they are struggling.

So as a viewer these new experiences are welcome.

As a filmmaker I'm a bit worried about it. If it was to become the desired norm, that means I couldn't compete in any way with the big hollywood companies in any way shape or form.

I will also say that although I've enjoyed some 3D films, it's always a bit intrusive to the emotional experience. having an icon pop up telling me to put on glasses drags you right out of the film.

Shame about the technology not being installed though. Mr Cameron deserves people to watch his film.
Posted by: dresseme (Guest), June 23rd, 2009, 8:52pm; Reply: 49
Apparently, James Cameron screened some footage of "Avatar" and the response was amazing.

During Q&A, he told the crowd that each frame of finished film takes 30-50 hrs to render, then double that for 3D.  Can you believe that?!?
Posted by: tonkatough, June 23rd, 2009, 9:12pm; Reply: 50
wow that's a lot of computer power. must be some very dense texture and color and substance that is being rendering into each CGI image.
Posted by: Zack, June 23rd, 2009, 9:20pm; Reply: 51
When do we get a freaking trailer!?

~Zack~
Posted by: chism, June 23rd, 2009, 10:55pm; Reply: 52
Who knows, but I'm fuckin drooling over these production art stills. Literally drooling on my keyboard.
Posted by: sniper, June 24th, 2009, 6:11am; Reply: 53
Looking forward to this movie a lot but the art stills don't really reveal much.
Posted by: Aaron, June 24th, 2009, 9:58am; Reply: 54
I see Transformers later today (I think). There was a rumor that the Avatar trailer would play in front of it. Anyone know if that was true? Hope so.
Posted by: Zack, June 24th, 2009, 10:08am; Reply: 55

Quoted from Aaron
I see Transformers later today (I think). There was a rumor that the Avatar trailer would play in front of it. Anyone know if that was true? Hope so.


Nope, seen T2 twice(both in digital and film) and the only trailers are "The Last Airbender" and "New Moon".

~Zack~
Posted by: Aaron, June 24th, 2009, 10:45am; Reply: 56
Ok, thanks Zack.
Posted by: sniper, July 31st, 2009, 5:03am; Reply: 57
According to this article, the trailer for Avatar (+ a 15 minutes preview) will be avaiable on 21 August. Time to see if Cameron's still got it.
Posted by: Aaron, July 31st, 2009, 8:43am; Reply: 58
I can't wait. Just to see something from this thing will be great. I think he's still got it. I bet they put the trailer in front of Inglorious Basterds
Posted by: sniper, July 31st, 2009, 8:48am; Reply: 59

Quoted from Aaron
I bet they put the trailer in front of Inglorious Basterds

With the size of the budget Avatar's got, I think they'll put in front of everything.

Posted by: Aaron, July 31st, 2009, 9:26am; Reply: 60
True. We better start seeing commercials in a month or so. the release is nearing and I'm not sure that a lot of people, besides us movie/script buffs, know about Avatar. So it's time to get it out to the public
Posted by: SteveUK, August 20th, 2009, 9:08am; Reply: 61
The teaser trailer is online:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avatar/
Posted by: Zack, August 20th, 2009, 3:56pm; Reply: 62
I feel like I just watched something spectacular. Like a Blue Whale giving birth... or a Pig nursing from a Hyena...

One thing, on the website it says- From the Director of the "Titanic"

What? It's just "Titanic". Not the "Titanic".

Anyways, movie looks freaking nutz. Cameron has been away from the big screen for far to long.

~Zack~
Posted by: jayrex, August 22nd, 2009, 1:14pm; Reply: 63

     


This does look interesting.  Can't wait to see it.

20th Century Fox is bringing James Cameron's Avatar to both IMAX and regular theaters in 3D around the world on December 18th.
Posted by: tonkatough, August 22nd, 2009, 5:26pm; Reply: 64
Forget the photorealism debacle. This movie will showcase how extraordinary this new  3-D truely is. We really are on the threshold of a new level of cinema technology.

As a movie geek I am excited!
Posted by: Aaron, August 22nd, 2009, 5:41pm; Reply: 65
While i do agree with that, I predicted about a month ago that they would try to make CGI look so real that it would become fake looking. In some scenes of the trailer that's what we have here. I've also noticed that in other films recently. What's going on?
Posted by: JonnyBoy, August 22nd, 2009, 5:48pm; Reply: 66
I was SO excited about this - from the way people were talking, I'd imagined it could be milestone in the history of cinema. But having seen the trailer, my expectation levels have been revised WAY down. This doesn't look like much of a step-up at all...WALL-E's animation of Earth had more atmosphere than the videogame cut-scene visuals on display here.

Hoping that the 3-D will make it (although the people who saw it at an IMAX preview said it just made them feel sick), but I fear this may turn out to be a disappointment...
Posted by: ReaperCreeper, August 22nd, 2009, 5:57pm; Reply: 67
I agree. I see nothing groundbreaking about this. I know it's just a teaser, but I don't see even a shred of something special here.

I'll probably watch it -- with lowered expectations.

--Julio
Posted by: sniper, August 23rd, 2009, 12:24pm; Reply: 68
I've rewatched the trailer a couple of times now and I got this nagging sesation now that this movie's gonna somehow suck. I still have no idea what to expect from this movie and I'm still looking very much forward to it, but my expectations just cooled a bit. Still, this is a Cameron movie so it can't be bad.
Posted by: Aaron, August 23rd, 2009, 1:19pm; Reply: 69

Quoted from sniper
I've rewatched the trailer a couple of times now and I got this nagging sesation now that this movie's gonna somehow suck. I still have no idea what to expect from this movie and I'm still looking very much forward to it, but my expectations just cooled a bit. Still, this is a Cameron movie so it can't be bad.


Even though the trailer was disappointing i don't think it'll suck.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, August 23rd, 2009, 2:26pm; Reply: 70

Quoted from JonnyBoy
I was SO excited about this - from the way people were talking, I'd imagined it could be milestone in the history of cinema. But having seen the trailer, my expectation levels have been revised WAY down. This doesn't look like much of a step-up at all...WALL-E's animation of Earth had more atmosphere than the videogame cut-scene visuals on display here.

Hoping that the 3-D will make it (although the people who saw it at an IMAX preview said it just made them feel sick), but I fear this may turn out to be a disappointment...


CGI, no matter how much you spend on it, just doesn't work on living things. It looks fake. Those blue creatures look like something from Fern Gully.

The opening scenes look good though.
Posted by: Sham, August 23rd, 2009, 5:24pm; Reply: 71

Quoted from ReaperCreeper
I agree. I see nothing groundbreaking about this. I know it's just a teaser, but I don't see even a shred of something special here.

I'll probably watch it -- with lowered expectations.

--Julio

Agreed 100%.

I'm still gonna see it, but honestly, if James Cameron wasn't attached to this, and I watched that trailer, I might have passed on it.
Posted by: Nixon, August 28th, 2009, 7:08pm; Reply: 72
I'm withholding judgement until December when I see the movie in IMAX 3D. Despite the mediocre trailer, I still think my eyeballs will be raped.  
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, August 29th, 2009, 6:07am; Reply: 73
Apparently you have to see the trailer at the cinema. Forget that nasty little 2D trailer. The 3D trailer is incredible. Utterly incredible. This is what I'm hearing anyway.

Posted by: chism, October 29th, 2009, 1:22am; Reply: 74
New trailer.



Looks fucking awesome. The same trailer will be available in QuickTime HD sometime tomorrow so watch out for it.
Posted by: sniper, October 29th, 2009, 2:11am; Reply: 75
Now you're talking. I was getting worried after that horrible teaser trailer but, yeah, it looks fucking awesome.
Posted by: JonnyBoy, October 29th, 2009, 6:59am; Reply: 76
Much, much better. Now I'm excited again!
Posted by: Aaron, October 29th, 2009, 9:27am; Reply: 77
Much better trailer, but overall I'm still mixed.
Posted by: stevie, October 29th, 2009, 3:45pm; Reply: 78
Yeah it looks pretty cool. But they've practically given away the whole story in the trailer.
Posted by: sniper, October 30th, 2009, 3:05am; Reply: 79

Quoted from stevie
But they've practically given away the whole story in the trailer.

Very true, that seems to be Hollywood in a nutshell these days.

Posted by: Aaron, October 30th, 2009, 8:45am; Reply: 80
I'm guessing we can pretty much tell the ending from what we saw?





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Posted by: sniper, November 4th, 2009, 9:47am; Reply: 81
Posted by: Takeshi (Guest), November 7th, 2009, 4:11pm; Reply: 82
I see it stars Aussie Sam Worthington. I’ve never really rated him as an actor because I always found him to be a bit one dimensional. But if this is the hit it's expected to be it might open up a few doors for him and allow him to take on a few more diverse roles. It's amazing to see how many Aussies are making it in Hollywood these days. For a little country we really punch above our weight.
Posted by: chism, November 10th, 2009, 9:17am; Reply: 83
YouTube has this brand spankin' new trailer running at around five and a half minutes. It features everything we've seen before, plus a ton of new footage.



I'm pumped.
Posted by: Dimitris, November 13th, 2009, 6:56pm; Reply: 84
There is a south park episode about this movie and how the script was written.!

Check it out.......
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