To clarify, endings in which the fate of one or more characters is ultimately left in the air.

What's everyone think about them? Do the work or is it just lazy writing? I would say it should be decided by a case by case basis but it seems like most of them have the same effect, regardless of the film itself. The audience always seem to leave feeling unsettled. But not always in a bad way.

Anyway, it's something I've been thinking about lately and I thought it'd make a good topic for discussion as they seem to be becoming more and more prevalent nowadays. I figure a good number of writers here have used them or at least thought about using them before.

If done right it works really well. The Dawn of the Dead Remake had an awesome ending and you never really know what happened.

~Zack~

I hate them when it isn't clear what has happened to a said character, did they die or didn't they?  I think this is lazy!

When the outcome is obvious, I think it's fine to leave it out and let the viewer decide how they went out.  Sometimes by not showing it, can have a stronger and more lasting impact.

To be honest, I quite like them and have used them often.

Marty, my favorite film of all time, has a somewhat ambiguous ending where it ends with....

SPOILER


Marty calling Clara on the phone, after pretty much listening to everyone around him and brushing her off the night before.  You never really figure out what happens between them, but you're still left with a positive feeling nonetheless.

END SPOILER

I just noticed that the entire film is available on YouTube.  I've embedded the first part below, which leads to the others.  I can't recommend this film enough, and even more so now that it's available for free online.

If the film itself is good then I don't mind ambiguous endings.  If the film is bad then I'm going to hate the ending.

I haven't been able to think of an ambiguous ending myself, maybe others here have wrote them into their work?

I guess a classic example would be the original Italian Job, did they save the gold or did they go over the cliff?

Quoted from alffy I guess a classic example would be the original Italian Job, did they save the gold or did they go over the cliff?

You have to hear the Director Comments on the DVD. You'll have the answer...

To answer your question about ambiguous ending, I'm in. Audience is smart. You don't have to spoon-food them. I like to get out of the movies theatre, or after seen a DVD, asking to myself: "and if..." Of course, it's all depend of the movie. Sometimes directors find this way when tehy don't know how to solve a story.

I like the idea to make the audience think about the movie after the end and let them think about several possible resolutions .  The greatest power of a movie is to make people think about it once it's over.

Michel 8)

As someone above said, it all depends. As long as there is still some sort of closure, ambiguous endings are fine. I actually prefer them. Two of my favourite scenes have ambiguous endings:

- In Bruges: Does Ray live, or does he die?
- La Haine: Who shoots who?

As I said, both above films have some sort of closure before the ambiguous ending comes into play. Other times, when too much stuff is left open, ambiguous endings fail very badly, and just don't seem satisfying.

Another thing. After colkurtz8's advice, I watched "Memento" and I found the ending very ambiguous. Or maybe it's just me.

But my mind it's still working about it. A good thing, but I hate it though. :K)

Michel

I enjoy ambigiuity all the way around...especially at the end.  Asl long as there's different possibilities that make sense, I say go for it.  As someone else commented, anytime you can get people discussing the movie after it's over, that's a good thing.  I think audience's like the ability to percieve what they want to.  It makes it fun.

Now, it's important that the ambiguous ending leaves things open for discussion, as apposed to leaving the audience scratching their heads.  Those kinds of endings blow and are defintely lazy writing and film making.

Thanks for the thread, James.

As Jeff said, there's a difference between endings that leave things open to interpretation and endings that leave people scratching their heads.

The difference between the two can be a vague line for the writer to walk. For instance, in the short that was just up a couple days ago: Jesus at the Hotel

There was a lot that was there on the page, even though it wasn't there. I could sense it, but also, I knew, that there wasn't quite enough and everyone was going "What the hell?" That's why our critique friends are so important. They can say, "Hey bro, you totally screwed up there." And you can take another look and nod stupidly and say, "Yup, you's right."

But how? How do we leave certain things undone, unsaid and still make it satisfying. That, we could definitely discuss. It would be an interesting thread I think if people wanted to discuss movies that left them with that weird "no end" feeling, but in a good way.

Sandra

Quoted from Sandra E. But how? How do we leave certain things undone, unsaid and still make it satisfying. That, we could definitely discuss. It would be an interesting thread I think if people wanted to discuss movies that left them with that weird "no end" feeling, but in a good way.

I think it's down - in a lot of cases - to one's own perception. What can seem vague to one person, can be an abyss of possibilities to another.

Whether or not there is a universal metric to say what is what, I don't know, but I do enjoy a story that leaves me with some work to do.

Andrew

Yeah, I agree.  Every time I get a chance to draw my own conclusions, I thank the makers of the movie.  So many flicks end on such a poor note, that it irritates the shit out of me.  When they end on an open note, I can make my own ending up and I appreciate that very much.

It's funny, cause I know people who get upset with ambiguous endings and I just don't get it.  I think the creative types like tehm, the non creative types need to have everything nicely wrapped up so they don't need to think about it.  You know, most movie goers spend their 2 hours in the theater, leave, and never think or talk about it again.  I spend lots fo time afterwward going back over everything and drawing my own conclusions.

Different strokes for different folks...every time!

Quoted from Andrew I think it's down - in a lot of cases - to one's own perception. What can seem vague to one person, can be an abyss of possibilities to another.

I definitely agree with this.  It is very much up to the individual.  The ambiguous ending of No Country for Old Men divided audiences.

Other movies I can think of with open endings are:
American Beauty: What happens to Annette Bening, Chris Cooper, Thora Birch etc
Fight Club: What happens next?
Donnie Darko
Memento

I think the best ambiguous ending I've seen is the ending of The Wrestler. When I left the theater, I was a little frustrated with the lack of closure but I did enjoy chatting about it with the person I saw it with. I think it gave just enough information that it could've gone either way. I was also talking to my roommate, also a movie buff, about the subject of ambiguous endings not too long ago. At first, he said he didn't like them and when I brought up The Wrestler, he initially was very insistant that it ended a certain way. But then, he decided it was only his interpretation. I think that's because the ending gave just enough that you could feel secure in whatever your interpretation was. I think other endings of the sort should do the same.

Quoted from James McClung I think the best ambiguous ending I've seen is the ending of The Wrestler.

Hmm....I disagree, James.  I don't think there was any doubt how that came out.

I think it was one of these:

Quoted from alffy When the outcome is obvious, I think it's fine to leave it out...it can have a stronger and more lasting impact.

I think everybody knew what was coming.  You just convinced your friend he was wrong haha.  You must be very persuasive when discussing film.

But with a predetermined conclusion, we instead went out on an image of the man doing what he loved best...the only way he knew how.  As triumphant as he could possibly ever be at that point.  Why show the rest?  I loved that film.


All-time worst, horrible, crappy ambiguous ending?

Hands down -- The Sopranos finale.

Quoted from bert All-time worst, horrible, crappy ambiguous ending? Hands down -- The Sopranos finale.

For some reason, you said Sopranos and I thought of Seinfeld. God only knows why.

I HATED the finale. But I loved the series.

Jail. What the heck was that about. Jail.

I loved the Sopranos finale, Bert!

I think theres so much going on in that whole last few minutes.

Let's discuss :)

Don't stop...believing...

I would rather of had Tony reclining back on a beach chair puffing on a cigar and just giving us (the camera) that distant, empty look of his, but...

They went with the "you don't even hear it when it happens" angle, which they hammered into our skulls as much as they could.  Remember the flashback of that dialogue?  Sopranos never does flashbacks. lol

Slabby:  If you look in the TV/Movie Reviews thread, you will find an exhaustive discussion of the Sopranos finale that took place when it was fresh -- we probably should not drag it out on this thread.

The last I will say here on that particular topic is that -- for my money, anyways -- they were cowards with the finale, simply leaving things open for a movie down the road.


EDIT:  http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-movie/m-1181519663/

Here is that thread.  Turns out I started the thread -- I had forgotten -- I must have been pissed haha.

Ok, we shall move on to other endings then.

I will see you in the other thread and I expect to hear your retorts! haha

Ambiguity is fine as long as you are clear on what you are not clear on.

A crappy fortune cookie.

I really like ambiguity: Was he really dead or was he a vampire? What happened after they rode off in the car? I like imagination not connect the dots.

Gary

I am not a big fan of ambiguous endings, except the X-Files.

Quoted from bert All-time worst, horrible, crappy ambiguous ending? Hands down -- The Sopranos finale.

Come on, Bert, that's probably the best ambiguous ending ever. It ranks up there with The Thing and Blade Runner.

I think Jeff hit the nail dead on in his previous post. When you finish a movie with an ambiguous ending you should be "torn" between a few CLEAR alternatives and not scratching your head going: "What the fuck just happened?". There's a fine line between ambiguous endings and plotholes.

Quoted from Shelton Marty, my favorite film of all time, has a somewhat ambiguous ending where it ends with.... SPOILER Marty calling Clara on the phone, after pretty much listening to everyone around him and brushing her off the night before.  You never really figure out what happens between them, but you're still left with a positive feeling nonetheless. END SPOILER I just noticed that the entire film is available on YouTube.  I've embedded the first part below, which leads to the others.  I can't recommend this film enough, and even more so now that it's available for free online.

Just finished watching this.  Thanks for the tip.  That is a GREAT movie.  What a great movie.  You just know she didn't blow him off because he was a jerk.  You just know they met and went out again.  Great movie.

Quoted from steven8 Just finished watching this.  Thanks for the tip.  That is a GREAT movie.  What a great movie.  You just know she didn't blow him off because he was a jerk.  You just know they met and went out again.  Great movie.

That's always been my theory too, and I think it's pretty heavily slanted that way, but I could see how people may imagine it going another way too.

I'm not sure if it's included in that version or not since it's not on the dvd, but there's a deleted scene where Clara talks to her parents after Marty brings her home from the Stardust Ballroom.  I've only seen it on TV broadcasts, but I think it adds an additional element to things.

Quoted from Shelton I'm not sure if it's included in that version or not since it's not on the dvd, but there's a deleted scene where Clara talks to her parents after Marty brings her home from the Stardust Ballroom.  I've only seen it on TV broadcasts, but I think it adds an additional element to things.

It's cut from this version, as this is ripped from the DVD.  Viewers talked about it in the comments section, and I certainly see how it is something which should have been left in.  I can't imagine, with the amount of available space on a DVD, why they would have cut out that scene.