For those of you who didn't catch it....

Quentin Tarantino appeared on Jay Leno and said he's currently writing his next movie. He revealed only that it will also be a Western.... but won't be connected to Django Unchained.

He said making Django taught him the ropes on how to make a Western....
He wants to do another one now that he "knows what he's doing."

I'll see anything that guy makes. One of the best out there.  

I'm glad he's doing Westerns....

the genre is dead and he's the perfect filmmaker to lead the way and give the whole genre an adrenaline shot straight the heart

Just read this. Sure it'll be good. <3 Django Unchained.

I'm actually excited to hear about this.  I knew Django was a story he wanted to tell, but I wasn't convinced it was the western he wanted to tell.  Can't wait until we get more details.

It'd definitely bring attention back to the western.  It means people who wouldn't normally go see a western would probably check it out because it's Tarantino.  The guy can still move the needle.  If it was a musical he'd find a way to make it edgy and fun.

Tarantino and another western? Love it. If you think about it, westerns are match made in heaven for him. Perfect for his type of story telling. Who better than Tarantino to resurrect a forgotten genre. Cant wait to hear more about it.

Can't wait for this! In my opinion Tarantino is the best screenwriter working today.

And I'm kind of glad his next film isn't Kill Bill 3.

Best news regarding film I've heard in ages. I just hope he keeps the light-heartedness and OTT blood and guts he had in Django.

This is great news. I know that I'm in the minority here, but I wasn't too impressed with Django. Might have been because I am such a massive Tarantino fan and went into the film which such inflated expectations of what was to come. But one of my main gripes (apart from the poor, repetitive third act, which featured one of the worst ever director-actor cameos) was that the film was not the western it was billed as. Which is a shame, because as Reel Truth identifies, westerns is the perfect match for QT.

Hopefully this time around it delivers ;)

Umm... holy shit!

Bummer...

Yeah, that's really fucked. Kind of feel sorry actually since I know he puts a lot of effort into his work. Hopefully he doesn't scrap it fully.

If you read the article you would have noted that he's considering adapting it into a novel and then coming back to it in 5 years or so.

Doesn't everyone put a lot of effort into their work?

He's also writing a new script.

I didn't rate Django either, nor the Kill Bill series. His best films are Pulp Fiction and True Romance, maybe Reservoir Dogs. Aside from those, I've got no real care for his films.

Quoted from DustinBowcot Doesn't everyone put a lot of effort into their work?

You'd be surprised.

I was looking forward to his next film, despite the title. Barring the debacle that was Death Proof, I've always enjoyed Tarantino movies. There are very few writer directors around of his skill.

Now, if he could just stay behind the camera and well away from the front of it, everybody would be better off.

Quoted from rendevous I was looking forward to his next film, despite the title. Barring the debacle that was Death Proof, I've always enjoyed Tarantino movies. There are very few writer directors around of his skill. Now, if he could just stay behind the camera and well away from the front of it, everybody would be better off.

I genuinely could not agree with this post more. Was really looking forward to a 'pure' Western, but didn't liked the title either. And Django went rapidly downhill after QT decided to appear on screen :D

But this does suck... but that means that the script may be online somwhere? :O

I've been reading up on this leak and it smacks of throwing toys from prams when a photgrapher is passing.

There's no copies online and not even any script reviews. Seems the biggest the leak got is agents ringing Tarantino people looking for parts for their actors. Which you don't have to get a leaked copy of a script to do. All that's required is an eye on the news. Hyperbole.

I do recall talk of KB3, a movie about the Vega brothers and a TV series based on Inglorious Basterds. Sounds more like promo than plug pulling.

Looks like the leaked script has inevitably made it's way online - Gawker have put it up.

Yeah, I have the script. Looks OK so far. If anyone has any problems getting it then give me a shout.

Thanks for the info, Pia. I checked it out and apparently it comes under Tarantino Presents, he simply endorsing the film.

Reminded me of Reservoir Dogs, very contained and after the first chapter or so, very tense and typical Tarantino. It's basically one long scene with huge stakes. It's a shame he's shelving it.

Can anyone e-mail it over to me?  Thanks.


--Steve

Quoted from SteveUK Looks like the leaked script has inevitably made it's way online - Gawker have put it up.

Correctamundo.
Here be the link...

http://defamer.gawker.com/here-are-plot-details-from-quentin-tarantinos-leaked-1507675261

Happy Reading,
E.D.

Read about half the script. Some thoughts:

- his gift for dialogue is on full display
- not that he needs to worry about budget, but he shows how great story telling can be done with less. I mean based on the first half of the story, this could be shot on no budget.
- he has an instinct for creating simple scenes that hold our attention. The opening scene lasts over 30 pages. And there are only 2 events. First, the stage picks up the stranded black bounty hunter. Then they pick up Chris, a red neck who claims to be the new sheriff. 33 pages for that! And we know little about the main characters except what's on the surface. No arcs or flaws or inner needs. And yet the story completely holds our attention. The tension builds along with the growing suspicion that there is more going on than we see and we'll soon find out.
- through page 55, no blood, no gunshots, limited violence. It's all about building situational tension through the character interplay
- it's clearly a  homage to the spaghetti westerns, but with the QT flair for dialogue. The old spaghettis were far less talkative. It works here because the dialogue is so good the characters jump alive.

The whole thing would've shot on 70mm? Wow. Looks like he's following PTA again (!!) - just like he raised his game after There Will Be Blood, by his own admission.

Huge Tarantino fan, but really didn't dig Django - thought it embraced his worst self.

Will have a read on the script - thanks for the link, Dustin.

I loved it. Officially disappointed by Tarantino's decision not to go through with it.

First and foremost, I was surprised by how restrained it was, both in terms of narrative and tone. The story is told in chronological order with the exception of one chapter and the tone is consistently dark, foreboding, and at times even disturbing. Tarantino's trademark humor is still there but it doesn't dismantle the more serious moments the way I think it does in both Basterds and Django and a lot of it seems to come out in just how clever and well-crafted the dialogue is rather than in the form of obvious one-liners. For once, I felt safe to fully invest in the tension at hand and the first three chapters are so harrowing, it pays off in a way Tarantino's films usually don't, given how sporadically they can change.

I also loved the stripped down feel of the script. The first three chapters read like it could've been written for the stage. The dialogue is some of the best Tarantino's written in years. A lot less cute, a lot more formidable, especially when you imagine lines being delivered by Michael Madsen and Samuel L. Jackson (it's easy to figure out who's supposed to be who). That and the minimal use of location definitely recall Reservoir Dogs. RI is a masterpiece and it'd be a stretch to say The Hateful Eight comes close but it does have an eerie, claustrophobic feel that the former does not, given where the story is set.

I won't say much more than that for those who haven't read/finished the script yet. I thought it was excellent though.

Sometimes I wonder if QT is just attention starved. The Miley Cyrus of directors.

Or maybe QT is just having fun with us. Inserting kind of an April Fool's joke in the middle of a script. "Gotcha!"

He does these interviews complaining about the leaking of a script...all of which draws attention to the script...which seemed to be lacking before his interview. So everyone is reading it now.

And now I presume he is waiting for the shocked reaction to his scene where the black bounty hunter has the white assassin suck his Johnson.

But that scene has absolutely no value beyond shock. It's poor craftsmanship. There is nothing else to call it. It's like a writer who has run out of ideas. It takes us right out of the story, because it's so thoroughly preposterous and pointless. Yes, I get that the character is trying to provoke a reaction from the general, but it doesn't justify the scene. In fact, even the shooting of the general into the fireplace comes across as beyond silly to me.

QT did a great job setting up a story filled with tension, and as James perfectly puts it, foreboding. But it's one thing to be able to set up a tense interplay, and QT is the master at that, to being able to construct a well thought out story. He has created well thought out stories in the past, but that does not seem to be the case here.

I found that half way into the story I was starting to lose interest anyway. It was time for something to shake up the story and give it a jolt. That's normal for a script...it reaches a point where it's time to reboot things.

But a forced c@ck sucking scene did not really do the trick.

There does not seem to be a protagonist. I'm not saying there always has to be, but without one the risk is that a story will wander, which is exactly what is happening here. I suppose the black bounty hunter is the closest thing, but there really is not a lot of reason to care what happens to him. Being black in a racist world is not enough. And after the c@ck sucking, how many people will care what happens to him? I mean we understand that the assassin deserved no sympathy,but torture porn does not exactly endear an audience to a character.

So at the midpoint, the only thing driving the story is a bit of mystery...who is going to try to free the prisoner? And since we don't care about the prisoner, that's pretty weak.

QT has certain abilities that are unique in the business. So I'll always be eager to check out his work. And I love that he feels no compunction to follow convention.

But maybe he could benefit from conventional thinking sometimes. Maybe some structural concepts could help in stories like this. Maybe he wouldn't be forced to resort to shock tactics to try to rebuild momentum in the middle. I don't know. This script needs to be rethought.

Because one loves his past work should not mean they automatically love ALL future work. I'm a big fan of QT, but every script has to stand on its own. The same laws of gravity apply to him as they do to everyone else. He doesn't walk on water.

I loved this new script through the set up. But then it came off the tracks for me. No doubt the c@ck sucking will come out on film the way he envisioned it. I have no interest in seeing that, however.

Quoted from KevinLenihan I have no interest in seeing that, however.

Too late.

Dustin, are you even capable of adult conversation? You're perpetually like the kid giggling in the back of the class.

Quoted from KevinLenihan Dustin, are you even capable of adult conversation? You're perpetually like the kid giggling in the back of the class.

Says the guy that feels the need to declare his lack of interest in seeing a blow job.

Apparently logic is not something you are capable of either.

Quoted from KevinLenihan Apparently logic is not something you are capable of either.

Says the man who doesn't understand my previous comments.

I'd like to see how logical you are... a game of chess will decide who's who on that score. Or would you prefer draughts? *The last one's a joke by the way.*

Is it really any different than some guy being forced to take a dick up the ass?

LOL.


--Steve

Just don't think about it, Kevin.

QT's take on the contained thriller.  More than anything, this reminded me of a greatly stretched out version of the tavern scene in Inglorious Basterds.  Heavily armed folks in a tight, claustrophobic space, many of them pretending to be someone they're not.  You know it's going to end badly for damn near everyone, but you have to stick around for the powderkeg to explode.  

That blazing dialogue, dripping atmosphere and remedial spelling mistakes all make for a distinctively Tarantino reading experience.  Always amazes me how the pages fly by when you're reading one of his scripts.  You glance up and realize you've just torn through forty pages.

Compared to previous works, Hateful Eight felt mighty thin on story.  Some fantastic imagery.  Colorful characters(although not among QT's most memorable).  And a gradual and unstoppable feel of Tarantino slowly closing his hand around your throat.  But in the end, there just wasn't too much meat on dem bones.  Maybe Tarantino is on to something with this idea of novelizing the script.  In the screenplay, at times,  it felt like he wanted to show a whole lot more story, but there just wasn't room.  With the novel he'd be free to expand it as far as he wants.  

Anyway, a great read.  And as always a master class in dialogue and atmosphere.  

Something I'm confused about. Does Tarantino really want to publish this specifically as a novel? Because the impression I got is that Tarantino actually wants to publish the script.

This may not seem to make any sense but Tarantino has gone on record multiple times saying that he considers his scripts literature and that every time he writes a new one, he could just as easily publish it rather than film it. His script for Natural Born Killers has already been published, reformatted so that it looks more like a play so as to be easier on the eyes.

More importantly, while there's plenty of articles saying that it's going to be a novel, none of Tarantino's actual quotes say this. I suspect it might've just been inferred by journalists and by extension everyone else.

I could be totally wrong on this but Tarantino publishing the script as opposed to a novelized version of it doesn't seem a stretch by any means.

You're probably right about him just publishing the script.  I've seen his scripts in paperback version before at the bookstore.  And, not sure if QT's writing style would be quite so effective in prose.  I know I've read quotes from him before where he expresses a certain envy about novelists and how they're able to take a story anywhere they want.  But the more I read the stories on this, the more it sounds like he wants to put Hateful Eight Behind him and move on.

My reading of his comment is that he will publish it as a script.

I must be the only one here that doesn't worship QT like he's Jesus. I don't care for his movies ...I do think his dialogue is outstanding and I have read some of his scripts...but I'll skip this one. Can't imagine watching that shit ...I can spend my money on better things. Sorry to be the odd man out. Or odd girl out.

This article says QT plans on making Hateful 8 into a novel.  But, who knows.  Also has some interesting speculation on what the movie would have made at the box office.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/26/how-much-would-quentin-tarantinos-the-hateful-eigh.aspx

My money's on Tarantino making the prison film. Or something else entirely.

Out of all the projects Tarantino has had on the back burner or has prematurely announced, he's only made one (Inglourious Basterds) and that's only because he'd started writing it years ago. All the others are dead in the water, at least as far as I'm concerned. Tarantino's talked about so many prospective projects going back almost ten years and he always drops them the moment he has a new idea. I wouldn't hold my breath on him making any of them.

Just as well. Killer Crow sounds too rehashed after his last two and Kill Bill, Vol. 3 and The Vega Brothers just sound TERRIBLE. Think the latter can be ruled out completely considering how old the actors are now.

I don't see how he can claim his scripts are works fo literature when he writes lazy camera angles and 'we see'. In literature you shouldn't have to tell one what they see, you use prose to describe it.

So he'd need a rewrite on it either way. I have no love for his writing either, but I do like his ideas and dialogue.

I find it interesting fellow screenwriters would read and exploit the link to read a script that was leaked online and never meant to be read by the writer.

kind of hypocritical don't you think?

especially after the long anti piracy discussion I remember having not too long ago on this board.

Penoyer, if you read the interview with QT, he not only expects this to happen, he welcomes it. He mentions how he loves that his scripts are obtained and discussed on blogs.

Exploit? Is that the word you want to use? Is anyone using it to benefit themselves? Other than learning from his story skills, of course, but that hardly constitutes "exploiting" things.

It's amazing how quickly even simple threads like this turn into personal accusations these days. The forum here is supposed to be a place for writers to improve their craft. Sadly, it's become a place distracting bickering and cheap shots. Our time is better spent writing. Time for another break from the distraction, I guess. Too much work to do.

I think the difference in this case is that Tarantino was referring to when his shooting scripts leak for people to read and discuss, and not a first draft that wasn't intended for public consumption.

He's actually filed a copyright lawsuit against Gawker for providing a link to download the script.

It'll be interesting to see how that lawsuit against Gawker goes. They'll probably just settle without setting any of those awkward precedents that would get people worried.

You would think Tarantino would send out marked versions of his new scripts so he could tell who leaked it, or at least have a much better idea.

It's all a bit of a shame. I would have liked to see Tim Roth in a Tarantino movie again. Ho hum.  

Quoted from SteveUK I think the difference in this case is that Tarantino was referring to when his shooting scripts leak for people to read and discuss, and not a first draft that wasn't intended for public consumption.

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Hahah of course you are right, Penoyer. Tarantino's intellectual property was stolen and distributed against his will. If one holds intellectual property rights to be valid and constraining, it would be wrong to read the script. I think what you've pointed out, which is particularly fascinating, is the heavy tendency to see this question in terms of monetary value -- the argument "Reading that script represents money that the writer is losing" can't hold in this case, and so the question of intellectual property theft doesn't seem to appear so quickly.

I'm on the record as an advocate of piracy but personally I wouldn't read the Tarantino script in this situation.

At the end of the day, no money damages means the lawsuit probably won't go anywhere.

Did a director or producer kill the project because the script was leaked? No.

Did an actor drop out? No.

Are fans clamoring that the script sucks? No.

QT killed it himself.

He may be right about whether his IP was stolen, but the only one costing him money is himself, and I'm assuming he's not suing himself.

hey, im a music pirate myself...I download music at times.....  I got blasted for admitting so.... so I found this topic rather interesting that writers who are so concerned with protecting their own work... have no problem scrambling to read QT's material that was leaked to the public without permission

Piracy helps artists make money. Even this is ALL GOOD for Tarantino. In fact, I'm not surprised he is suing. Milk the headlines for as long as you can is the name of the game.

I'm interested to see how this plays out. After Tarantino found out the script had been passed around Hollywood and announced he would be publishing it instead of filming it, is the script now being uploaded online any different to someone sharing the manuscript of a yet-to-be-published novel?

It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up dropping the lawsuit in the end - I get the feeling he's just doing it to make a point.

Quoted from DustinBowcot Piracy helps artists make money.

I agree with you.. to a certain extent.

Quoted from SteveUK I'm interested to see how this plays out. After Tarantino found out the script had been passed around Hollywood and announced he would be publishing it instead of filming it, is the script now being uploaded online any different to someone sharing the manuscript of a yet-to-be-published novel? It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up dropping the lawsuit in the end - I get the feeling he's just doing it to make a point.

true, but its not like Tarantino needs help to get people into the Theater to see his movies.

if I saw 1 movie a year... it'd be Tarantino's. even if Death Proof and Jackie Brown were meh... they still had 3 or 4 WOW moments.

Quoted from Penoyer79 I agree with you.. to a certain extent.

Yeah of course to a certain extent... but I bet it makes them a lot more money than they claim to be 'losing'. All business is about speculation. All drug dealers know, if you give out some free shit to the local kids you're going to get their business. That initial 'loss' turns into a massive profit.

Certain music artists have made their name through piracy... and doubtless certain films have too.

In fact, I believe that the only time piracy can actually hurt profits is if the film isn't very good. If you have a good product, the piracy is a good thing as it becomes free advertising. Not everybody likes pirates, most don't. Most are happy to pay... and they do.

I actually quite liked Jackie Brown. I think I was unfair of my earlier criticism of Tarantino. I have enjoyed all of his films... and would definitely watch one of his over anyone else's in Hollywood. I'd still pick Brit flicks over Tarantino though.

Jackie Brown?  Great movie.  Gets a lot of flack from people -- like Death Proof.  I dig it.


--Steve

Looks like QT is back in on Hateful 8.  http://theweek.com/article/index/262223/speedreads-quentin-tarantino-is-making-that-movie-he-swore-he-wasnt-going-to-make

Quoted from Guest Jackie Brown?  Great movie.  Gets a lot of flack from people -- like Death Proof.  I dig it. --Steve

I like Death Proof as well. Lot of people complain about it and QT say himself its his weakest film.
the problem with Death Proof is he lost his audience when he shock-killed the entire first group of girls...
He spent the first hour of the movie investing everyone in those characters and then he kills them all and
wants us to invest in an entire second group of girls who frankly aren't as likable and interesting  
he should have stayed with the first group the entire movie and focused on them VS Stuntman Mike

As far as Jackie Brown - I like it when I saw... but the movie is impossible to get through the 2nd time around
just not his most interesting movie.

I thought Death Proof was a horrible movie. Just everything about it was bad. Planet Terror was only slightly better. The best thing about that Grindhouse movie were the fake trailers. That movie rightfully flopped so bad.

Jackie Brown was okay at best. Like Penoyer says, there is just nothing that interesting about the movie. It's far too long for such a simple story.

His two worst movie, IMO.

Really interested to see this one on screen.

I thought the script was pretty decent. Although the first 40 pages (before they got to the cabin) were painfully dull... seriously hope he trims that down so that only one chapter is in the carriage, versus two.

But once they got to the cabin, I dug it.

Looking forward to see what changes he makes as well from the leaked draft.

I disagree I thought the whole thing was good until a major character was shot and killed.

That's when I stopped reading the script to avoid huge spoilers.

I recently watched "The good, the bad and the ugly" for the first time ever and have been getting into westerns ever since, I have also recently written a western short so I've been obsessed with westerns as of late, can't wait to see Tarantino go at it again.

Where can I read the script again?

Quoted from Nathan Hill Where can I read the script again?

I went kayaking once and a torrent hit my kayak and it tipped over. It wasn't a good day.

Quoted from Guest Jackie Brown?  Great movie.

I couldn't agree with you more.  Actually, I could by going as far as saying I think it's Tarantino's best. Was just something about that one. Max with his ordinary, tired existence and Jackie, the stewardess with a card up her sleeve. Deniro was great in an understated role that he nailed; his best performance in a while to that point and since.

I dunno. Just resonated with me like few movies can.

Steve

Yeah I lean toward Jackie Brown being his best, too.