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Posted by: Tyler King, August 4th, 2017, 10:07pm
Is this formatted correctly for this particular piece of narrative action...?

"Towering corn stalks (merely ominous silhouettes in the pale moonlight) surround a Chevy Cruze parked on the cornfield's narrow dirt path."

My question would be about what is in between the parentheses. Or should it read, with commas, instead?

Or even - with dashes - instead...

Or maybe written in a completely different way altogether?

I hate that I'm so damn anal and nitpicky about screenwriting format. It's the damn OCD in me I swear. I mean - obviously it's a good thing (being aware of correct formatting)... TO AN EXTENT!! But sometimes I can get a little overboard and it drives me insane to the point where I'm literally going back and rewriting what I've just written, and spending HOURS, rather than progressing... I HATE THAT!

Or should I just stfu and write?

Arggg... SO frustrated. :'(
Posted by: Tyler King, August 4th, 2017, 10:19pm; Reply: 1
And the only reason I'm asking this (somewhat) stupid question, is because I personally think it reads better with parentheses, but maybe that's just me. I just don't want to leave it like that if it's not correct format. But then again it seems like everyone kind of has their own format... to an extent. Blah.
Posted by: Warren, August 4th, 2017, 10:46pm; Reply: 2
Definitely not brackets, I don't think they have any place in a screenplay other than in a wrylie.

I'd personally go with commas but I don't know if there is a right answer. Brackets really mess with the read though.
Posted by: Tyler King, August 4th, 2017, 11:08pm; Reply: 3
Ok, see, glad I asked. The reason I used brackets at first is because it's not really SHOWING what is there, just showing what it LOOKS like, if that makes sense. But thank you for the advice.
Posted by: Anon, August 5th, 2017, 4:36am; Reply: 4
Dashes are technically correct for adding information into a sentence. According to my ex-English english teacher dad anyway. So i'd write it like this -


Towering corn stalks - silhouettes in the moonlight - surround a Chevy Cruze parked on a narrow dirt path.



Posted by: Tyler King, August 5th, 2017, 7:34am; Reply: 5

Quoted from Anon
Dashes are technically correct for adding information into a sentence. According to my ex-English english teacher dad anyway. So i'd write it like this -


Towering corn stalks - silhouettes in the moonlight - surround a Chevy Cruze parked on a narrow dirt path.





Oh ok... well thank you. Would it be wrong with commas? It does take up a tad bit less space than the dashes. Like I said this is just one insignificant question out of all the millions, and more bigger ones, I'll come across over time. It just goes to show just how anal I am about correct grammar and format. Ugh.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), August 5th, 2017, 9:09am; Reply: 6
I agree with Warren completely - no parenthesis in screenwriting.

To be 100% clear in what you're trying to show, I might even write it so that it says something to the point that the towering corn stalks appear as silhouettes in the moonlight.
Posted by: eldave1, August 5th, 2017, 9:53am; Reply: 7
I would not use parenthesis (and I mean that) in writing descriptions (because they serve as a distraction) when conveying a message :)

Posted by: Tyler King, August 5th, 2017, 12:49pm; Reply: 8
Thanks, you guys. I really appreciate the help!
Posted by: Anon, August 5th, 2017, 5:53pm; Reply: 9

Quoted from Tyler King


Oh ok... well thank you. Would it be wrong with commas? It does take up a tad bit less space than the dashes. Like I said this is just one insignificant question out of all the millions, and more bigger ones, I'll come across over time. It just goes to show just how anal I am about correct grammar and format. Ugh.


No one would blink an eyelid if you did use commas. And you could. But the dash method is supposedly specific for adding detail to a particular thing. And that is what you were doing. Wheras commas could be listing totally different things. For example -

He stares at the table - lacquered mahogany - and makes a decision.

Or

He examines the table, chair and plate then makes a decision.

But that's if you want to be anal and mostly there's no need IMO. If there's one format where technically correct grammer goes out the window it's a screenplay. Make it up as long as it flows. Most people reading it won't give two shits about you breaking the rules as long as it reads well.

Posted by: Tyler King, August 5th, 2017, 5:56pm; Reply: 10
Thanks man!
Posted by: LC, August 6th, 2017, 4:59am; Reply: 11
Yep, just write.   ;D

Tyler, ditch the brackets, ditch the dashes. This is a screenplay so I'm not saying never use a dash, but go the commas for the majority.

Also, note the difference between screenplay formatting guidelines and grammar, and punctuation. You seem to be talking about punctuation and syntax (the construction and structure of a sentence) more than anything.

A character's dialogue can be choc-full of bad grammar btw.

NB: 'merely' and 'ominous' do not go together.

Try separating the images into shots in your head. What you've got there is all too much imh.

Keep it simple. Do we see it all at once? The sky, the corn fields, moon overhead, and the parked car?

Suggestion: Towering cornstalks, ominous in the pale moonlight OR: silhouetted in the moonlight.  

.......

By the by:

An emdash/en dash and ellipses are used for two different purposes in screenplays:

The dash interrupts dialogue below a:

BARRY
I'll have you know -

Barry lunges at Rick, his face beet-red. Rick eyeballs him.

RICK
You'll have me know what exactly?!

Similarly an abrupt stop in dialogue, broken with a dash can be caused by action - a slammed door, crack of thunder etc.

Ellipses are used for trailing off of thought:

BARRY
(to himself)
Jeez, a blind date. I dunno...

Barry stares at his reflection in the bathroom mirror, runs a hand through his hair.

Rick passes the doorway, gives him a friendly jab in the arm.

RICK
Chill out, mate. She'll be just as shit-scared as you are.

You may know this already. Just adding seeing as you were querying brackets, dashes, mid-sentence.
Posted by: Tyler King, August 6th, 2017, 6:49pm; Reply: 12

Quoted from LC
Yep, just write.   ;D

Tyler, ditch the brackets, ditch the dashes. This is a screenplay so I'm not saying never use a dash, but go the commas for the majority.

Also, note the difference between screenplay formatting guidelines and grammar, and punctuation. You seem to be talking about punctuation and syntax (the construction and structure of a sentence) more than anything.

A character's dialogue can be choc-full of bad grammar btw.

NB: 'merely' and 'ominous' do not go together.

Try separating the images into shots in your head. What you've got there is all too much imh.

Keep it simple. Do we see it all at once? The sky, the corn fields, moon overhead, and the parked car?

Suggestion: Towering cornstalks, ominous in the pale moonlight OR: silhouetted in the moonlight.  

.......

By the by:

An emdash/en dash and ellipses are used for two different purposes in screenplays:

The dash interrupts dialogue below a:

BARRY
I'll have you know -

Barry lunges at Rick, his face beet-red. Rick eyeballs him.

RICK
You'll have me know what exactly?!

Similarly an abrupt stop in dialogue, broken with a dash can be caused by action - a slammed door, crack of thunder etc.

Ellipses are used for trailing off of thought:

BARRY
(to himself)
Jeez, a blind date. I dunno...

Barry stares at his reflection in the bathroom mirror, runs a hand through his hair.

Rick passes the doorway, gives him a friendly jab in the arm.

RICK
Chill out, mate. She'll be just as shit-scared as you are.

You may know this already. Just adding seeing as you were querying brackets, dashes, mid-sentence.


Yes I did know all of that, but thank you!! I really appreciate the reply/help! :)
Posted by: Ares, August 7th, 2017, 12:04am; Reply: 13
"Towering corn stalks, merely ominous silhouettes in the pale moonlight, surround a Chevy Cruze parked on the cornfield's narrow dirt path."
I get the picture just fine. I would say 100% filmable.
But on the other hand, I am a crazy guy with Synesthesia, so... :P
Posted by: CameronD, August 7th, 2017, 6:57pm; Reply: 14
Silhouettes in the moonlight, tall corn stalks surround a Chevy Cruze on a narrow dirt path.

As others have said, () are a no no. Try to work your visualization into the description as best you can.
Posted by: JonnyBoy, August 7th, 2017, 8:51pm; Reply: 15
I agree with Libby - just write.

This kind of minute attention to detail on word choices is something for a second draft. If you're anything like me, you'll have enough trouble surviving the Act Two rocky patch - not to mention creating 3-d characters who act and sound like real people, and a story that keeps ahead of the reader while at the same time being satisfying and original in its own way.

I know myself that it can be very satisfying to try and perfect Page 1 - but if you don't watch out, it becomes procrastination. We do it because it's easier than addressing the fact that uou still have 89 pages to go. Just put your head down and get the whole thing down on the page before coming back to the fine details on your second go around.
Posted by: Tyler King, August 7th, 2017, 10:01pm; Reply: 16

Quoted from JonnyBoy
I agree with Libby - just write.

This kind of minute attention to detail on word choices is something for a second draft. If you're anything like me, you'll have enough trouble surviving the Act Two rocky patch - not to mention creating 3-d characters who act and sound like real people, and a story that keeps ahead of the reader while at the same time being satisfying and original in its own way.

I know myself that it can be very satisfying to try and perfect Page 1 - but if you don't watch out, it becomes procrastination. We do it because it's easier than addressing the fact that uou still have 89 pages to go. Just put your head down and get the whole thing down on the page before coming back to the fine details on your second go around.


I know, I'm trying believe me, but it's definitely a challenge.  :-/
Posted by: Sandra Elstree., August 8th, 2017, 9:11pm; Reply: 17
I've just read through this thread and you're getting good advice.

I'm a bad one for getting caught in those details and they can bog you down. Mind you, they're good for an editor.

First things first: Focus on story. If you've got a good story ta hell with all that and hire an editor. Or get someone who will do the job for free because they're really really nice.

Secondzies, use your good judgment later on if your really into later modes of drafts.

That cornfield might be obliterated by some fantastic and better magic of the mind.

As stands though:

My first thought was lose the "towering". Opt for something shorter.

Corn stalks, mere silhouettes in ______ moonlight.

Can we lose the "pale"?

Now you had me being obsessive.

Red moonlight?
Dead moonlight?
Frosty moonlight?
Mosquito bitten moonlight?
Ancient moonlight?
Microwaved moonlight?
Last ever seen moonlight?
Adonai's moonlight?
Lover's moonlight?
Murderer's moonlight?
Deceptive moonlight?
Craven moonlight?

Of course, non of that matters unless there's some real backbone of context to make it worth the while. And that moon of whatever sorts might get blasted, too. Who knows?

God help us all!!!!

Sandra :)
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