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Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 13th, 2018, 10:23am
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Well, we're down to the "Final Four" and it feels like the field is getting smaller and things are finally starting to come to a close. So, it seems only right that the same thing should be happening with your scripts. In this round, your characters will be confined to a car (or truck, for those of you who are obsessed with bending the rules. Let's just say "automobile"). With that said, it doesn't just need to take place in one automobile... I won't give you any story-based prerequisites besides that. Now, for the fun part...

In addition to your characters being confined to an automobile, and since this is the "Final Four", your script will be limited to only four characters (total). To make matters even worse, your page count must be divisible by four (4, 8, 12, etc. Seriously, if you go over 12, the quality might drop, considering the timeframe. I'd recommend keeping it to 12 or lower) and you will only be allowed to select from the four following genres: Horror, Thriller, Drama, Mystery. Good luck and have fun.

Simplified Rules:

Four total characters.
Page length divisible by four: 4, 8, 12, etc.
They must be confined to an automobile (no part of the script takes place outside of an automobile).
Can only be of the Horror, Thriller, Drama or Mystery genres.
Due Sunday at 11:59PM EDT.

Warren
vs.
eldave1

PKCardinal
vs.
RJP
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 13th, 2018, 11:08am; Reply: 1
To up the ante: only four-letter words. And, word count must be divisible by four.

I mean, if we're gonna do this thang...
Posted by: jayrex, April 13th, 2018, 11:30am; Reply: 2

Quoted from PKCardinal
To up the ante: only four-letter words. And, word count must be divisible by four.

I mean, if we're gonna do this thang...


Characters used in each sentence and paragraph dividable by four too :P
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 13th, 2018, 12:28pm; Reply: 3

Quoted from jayrex
Characters used in each sentence and paragraph dividable by four too :P


Well, I figured those were a given... =)
Posted by: eldave1, April 13th, 2018, 1:19pm; Reply: 4
Just to be sure - 1 to 4 characters - right?
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 13th, 2018, 3:00pm; Reply: 5

Quoted from eldave1
Just to be sure - 1 to 4 characters - right?


I took it as exactly four. Glad you're clarifying.
Posted by: eldave1, April 13th, 2018, 3:04pm; Reply: 6

Quoted from PKCardinal


I took it as exactly four. Glad you're clarifying.


In the opening he said:

Quoted Text

be limited to only four characters (total)


Which to me means up to 4

In the simple instructions he said

Four total characters

Which could mean either . I think it's 1 to 4 - just want to be sure
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 13th, 2018, 3:22pm; Reply: 7

Quoted from eldave1
Which to me means up to 4


Nope. Exactly four.
Posted by: FrankM, April 13th, 2018, 3:44pm; Reply: 8

Quoted from Mr. Blonde


Nope. Exactly four.


Gollum and Dr. Jekyl on a roadtrip...
Posted by: eldave1, April 13th, 2018, 3:55pm; Reply: 9

Quoted from Mr. Blonde


Nope. Exactly four.


Well I wouldn't have guessed that based on the "up to" - thanks for the clarification. Felt dumb for asking - glad I did
Posted by: Warren, April 13th, 2018, 4:54pm; Reply: 10
Wow, I thought I was really going to struggle, but I sat down, opened my notebook, thought for no more than 5 minutes, and I already have a fully formed story.

Now I have 2 whole days to flesh it out.

I'm coming for you, Dave! Not going down without a fight :)
Posted by: Warren, April 13th, 2018, 5:05pm; Reply: 11
Is a dog, cat, alien, monster, ghost etc. considered a character, or just flesh and bone humans?
Posted by: jayrex, April 13th, 2018, 5:22pm; Reply: 12

Quoted from Warren
Is a dog, cat, alien, monster, ghost etc. considered a character, or just flesh and bone humans?


If they talk, why not?
Posted by: Warren, April 13th, 2018, 5:49pm; Reply: 13

Quoted from jayrex


If they talk, why not?


If they don't talk?
Posted by: eldave1, April 13th, 2018, 6:34pm; Reply: 14

Quoted from Warren
Is a dog, cat, alien, monster, ghost etc. considered a character, or just flesh and bone humans?


Bring it!

PS - struggling between 3 ideas - need to decide
Posted by: jayrex, April 13th, 2018, 6:47pm; Reply: 15

Quoted from Warren


If they don't talk?


I'd say it doesn't count.
Posted by: FrankM, April 13th, 2018, 7:59pm; Reply: 16

Quoted from Warren


If they don't talk?


If I was in this round, my question would be if voice-over characters like RADIO ANNOUNCER or TAXI DISPATCHER are Kosher.
Posted by: eldave1, April 13th, 2018, 8:14pm; Reply: 17
I would certainly allow it. It would end up being a pissing contest either way. You have three characters, real life ones, and a voice over and want to count is 4. People can complain it's only 3. Or you can have four characters and a voice over and people could could complain that it's five. So when I look at them I know I will look for for real life characters and everything else is window dressing.
Posted by: LC, April 13th, 2018, 8:14pm; Reply: 18
Ooh, you can have fun with this one.

Horror, please.
Posted by: FrankM, April 13th, 2018, 8:56pm; Reply: 19

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Four total characters.
Page length divisible by four: 4, 8, 12, etc.
They must be confined to an automobile (no part of the script takes place outside of an automobile).
Can only be of the Horror, Thriller, Drama or Mystery genres.
Due Sunday at 11:59PM EDT.


This is to prevent anyone from recreating Owen Lift's three-page murder mystery that had only two characters, one of which died on page two.
Posted by: LC, April 13th, 2018, 9:05pm; Reply: 20
Is the timer going up?
Posted by: eldave1, April 13th, 2018, 10:52pm; Reply: 21

Quoted from LC
Ooh, you can have fun with this one.

Horror, please.


Can't - horrible at it
Posted by: LC, April 13th, 2018, 11:34pm; Reply: 22

Quoted from eldave1
Can't - horrible at it

Horror-ble is fine.  ;)

P.S. Love Me Tinder was great.

Posted by: Warren, April 14th, 2018, 12:33am; Reply: 23
And I'm done. I think the concept was better in my head but I'll fiddle with it over the remaining time and hopefully mould it into something a bit better.
Posted by: eldave1, April 14th, 2018, 9:57am; Reply: 24

Quoted from LC

Horror-ble is fine.  ;)

P.S. Love Me Tinder was great.



Thanks :)
Posted by: eldave1, April 14th, 2018, 9:58am; Reply: 25

Quoted from Warren
And I'm done. I think the concept was better in my head but I'll fiddle with it over the remaining time and hopefully mould it into something a bit better.


Wow - haven't started yet - today is the day!
Posted by: eldave1, April 14th, 2018, 5:29pm; Reply: 26
Okay - got one done - we'll see
Posted by: Warren, April 14th, 2018, 5:33pm; Reply: 27
Just went through mine again a couple of times.

I don't think it's bad, but I do think it's missing a little something. Can't quite figure out what that something is though.

Worst case, I'll submit as is and hope for the best.
Posted by: eldave1, April 14th, 2018, 5:38pm; Reply: 28

Quoted from Warren
Just went through mine again a couple of times.

I don't think it's bad, but I do think it's missing a little something. Can't quite figure out what that something is though.

Worst case, I'll submit as is and hope for the best.


Missing something? Hmm - maybe at 5 or six characters and a bunch of scenes outside the car (s).

I'm tired - not sure I'll go through it again - the tourney is finally wearing me down.

I like what I wrote. Not sure how others will respond but - WTF - I like it anyway so mission accomplished.

Need a beer.
Posted by: SAC, April 14th, 2018, 5:59pm; Reply: 29
Can’t wait to read these!
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 14th, 2018, 7:39pm; Reply: 30
Got my taxes done. Don't owe anything, for once. Would rather be writing a script for Round 4.
Posted by: ScottM, April 14th, 2018, 10:00pm; Reply: 31
Congrats to the final four.

I really enjoyed the one pagers, there were some outstanding entries.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with in the next round.

Good luck!!
Posted by: eldave1, April 14th, 2018, 10:29pm; Reply: 32

Quoted from ScottM
Congrats to the final four.

I really enjoyed the one pagers, there were some outstanding entries.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with in the next round.

Good luck!!

Thanks bud
Posted by: Warren, April 15th, 2018, 12:11am; Reply: 33
And I've submitted. I don't think I went through my script any less than 30 times. I can't look at it anymore.

I hope that it's well received.
Posted by: LC, April 15th, 2018, 7:59am; Reply: 34
Not long to go now chaps.

Ready to read some quality stuff. :)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, April 15th, 2018, 1:36pm; Reply: 35

Quoted from LC
Not long to go now chaps.

Ready to read some quality stuff. :)


You got phenomenal language, Libby.
Posted by: khamanna, April 15th, 2018, 1:40pm; Reply: 36

Quoted from PrussianMosby


You got the phenomenal language, Libby.

Haha, lol, I see something from Libby and often think that, too)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, April 15th, 2018, 1:59pm; Reply: 37
Yeah. That's Libby.
Posted by: Warren, April 15th, 2018, 5:56pm; Reply: 38
Okay, I'm ready now :)

PK and RJP have been very quiet this round. You guys putting scripts up?
Posted by: LC, April 15th, 2018, 6:09pm; Reply: 39
A, and K:
Ah, now see, I was up with the birds this morning. Must have been my ears were burning.  :D
Phenomenal? Dunno about that.

But if only I could parlay a lil' bit of that into some cold hard cash.
Thanks you two. You encourage me to keep at it.

P.S. Warren, I was thinking the same thing. It's the quiet ones you worry about.
Posted by: RJP, April 15th, 2018, 6:32pm; Reply: 40
Submitted mine a few hours ago.

Decently pleased with it, although I might read it again tomorrow and be like "what the hell did I write?"
Posted by: PrussianMosby, April 15th, 2018, 6:58pm; Reply: 41

Quoted from Warren
Okay, I'm ready now :)

PK and RJP have been very quiet this round. You guys putting scripts up?


Don't underestimate the Cardinal this round. He's coming from the church to the crip, long way to teach you his lessons and wisdom in screenwriting…
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 15th, 2018, 8:37pm; Reply: 42

Quoted from PKCardinal
To up the ante: only four-letter words. .


I feel bad for the final four whose characters are inside a car and yell out "f**k" "Shit" "damn" "crap' and "C**t"  ;D every other line :p
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 15th, 2018, 9:18pm; Reply: 43

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


I feel bad for the final four whose characters are inside a car and yell out "f**k" "Shit" "damn" "crap' and "C**t"  ;D every other line :p


Crap, youv read mine worz.
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 15th, 2018, 9:21pm; Reply: 44
Posting now.

Whew. That one fought me. Feel like I could spend weeks on it and still not get it right.

Can't wait to see what everyone thinks.

It's all gravy from here. Hope to win, of course. But, never expected to get anywhere close to this far.
Posted by: LC, April 15th, 2018, 11:16pm; Reply: 45
Ooh, here we go!
Posted by: ScottM, April 16th, 2018, 1:16am; Reply: 46
Not bad writers, not bad at all.

I loved Next Stop, Salvation. Wins it on story hands down for me, and solid writing to boot.

But, and honarable mention goes to A Southern Night, truly great writing, beautiful in fact.

The other two weren't bad, weren't great either, but I think they did well with the parameters they were given.

I think all four met the challenge, some potentially playing with the rules a little, but I don't feel anyone outright broke them.

Well done to all involved :)

I look forward to the final round.
Posted by: Warren, April 16th, 2018, 2:18am; Reply: 47
I've read them all, but I'm at a bit of a loss what to do.

I can with 99.9% certainty say which script belongs to which writer. Nah, screw it, I'm 100% sure.

So what are the writers doing comment wise? I know which one is my competitors and I don't want to influence a vote either way (yes I do think that happens), and I don't want to be biased, so do I just comment on 2 or do I comment on all of them? Because I can't just comment on 3, then I out myself.

Are no comments from the writers the best way to go?

Some pack mentally here, I'm going to do what everyone else does.

Wow, that sounds paranoid haha.

But seriously?
Posted by: jayrex, April 16th, 2018, 2:43am; Reply: 48
Don’t comment.
Posted by: Warren, April 16th, 2018, 2:56am; Reply: 49

Quoted from jayrex
Don’t comment.


I'm thinking that's the best course of action.

So... Just been given 2 days off because my place of employment is currently surrounded by apocalyptic level bushfires.

Cool because I get a paid break, not so cool because I might not have a job to go back to :/

Posted by: Warren, April 16th, 2018, 3:43am; Reply: 50
Is someone a bit cranky they got knocked out in the first round?
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 16th, 2018, 3:50am; Reply: 51

Quoted from Warren
Is someone a bit cranky they got knocked out in the first round?


I assume I've hit your script.

I loved the first script I read. That was written by somebody that should be a pro. So, I'm not cranky. I'm just brutally honest.
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2018, 3:52am; Reply: 52

Quoted from Warren
I've read them all, but I'm at a bit of a loss what to do.

I can with 99.9% certainty say which script belongs to which writer. Nah, screw it, I'm 100% sure.

So what are the writers doing comment wise? I know which one is my competitors and I don't want to influence a vote either way (yes I do think that happens), and I don't want to be biased, so do I just comment on 2 or do I comment on all of them? Because I can't just comment on 3, then I out myself.

Are no comments from the writers the best way to go?

Some pack mentally here, I'm going to do what everyone else does.

Wow, that sounds paranoid haha.

But seriously?


I'd comment on mine and skip the opponents to send the reading folk off the tracks!
Posted by: Warren, April 16th, 2018, 3:58am; Reply: 53

Quoted from khamanna


I'd comment on mine and skip the opponents to send the reading folk off the tracks!


I'm not going to comment on any. I'm very happy with my entry. So what will be will be. I may add some comments when the voting ends.

I'm also very conscious of the fact that I'm up against a great writer in Dave, and wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he takes out the crown.

Posted by: Stumpzian, April 16th, 2018, 9:14am; Reply: 54
First impressions after reading all four --

Nice story variety, although each is derivative in one way or another:
Salvation has the tired apocalypse plot, plus it uses the same setting as an earlier OWC entry (monster in a bus). Southern has been done a million times. Winter does trapped-in-the-snow. Witness does Me-Too and Death in an Junk Yard Crusher.

I'll read all again and comment on each before voting.


Posted by: eldave1, April 16th, 2018, 9:54am; Reply: 55

Quoted from Warren
I've read them all, but I'm at a bit of a loss what to do.

I can with 99.9% certainty say which script belongs to which writer. Nah, screw it, I'm 100% sure.

So what are the writers doing comment wise? I know which one is my competitors and I don't want to influence a vote either way (yes I do think that happens), and I don't want to be biased, so do I just comment on 2 or do I comment on all of them? Because I can't just comment on 3, then I out myself.

Are no comments from the writers the best way to go?

Some pack mentally here, I'm going to do what everyone else does.

Wow, that sounds paranoid haha.

But seriously?


I had the same thought. It is hard not to comment and deductively out yourself (hmm - is that even a term?).

For me - I am going to write my comments on a separate file. When I'm done with all the scripts, on each thread I'm going to write:

"I have read the script. I will post my comments after voting has closed."

Then I'll post them after voting has closed

Posted by: ajr, April 16th, 2018, 10:29am; Reply: 56
So for me A SOUTHERN NIGHT defeats whatever script it's up against, and I'm very interested to see what two other scripts are paired off...
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2018, 10:36am; Reply: 57
A Southern Night works better for me too, however, I do think the number of characters and the use of characters is better explained in Unreliable Witness.
Unreliable Witness is another memorable one for me.

Posted by: PKCardinal, April 16th, 2018, 10:40am; Reply: 58
I'm saving my comments for post-voting as well. Seems like the logical solution.
Posted by: FrankM, April 16th, 2018, 11:41am; Reply: 59
So, now that I've read all four of these scripts and never, ever want to set foot in a motor vehicle again... how are we handling the voting?
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2018, 3:01pm; Reply: 60
Strangely, I can't put a name to a script this round.
Posted by: JEStaats, April 16th, 2018, 3:08pm; Reply: 61
Other than little hints of the writer's origin (i.e. windscreen vs. windshield), it's a tough guess on who wrote which short. Regardless, each entry is very solid in it's own way - very respectable for a two day challenge. Kudos.

I have my two favorites but am going to refrain from saying so until after voting.
Posted by: SAC, April 16th, 2018, 3:24pm; Reply: 62
Speaking of voting, will we receive a link to vote this round?
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 16th, 2018, 5:56pm; Reply: 63

Quoted from SAC
Speaking of voting, will we receive a link to vote this round?


Yes, you will.
Posted by: LC, April 16th, 2018, 8:18pm; Reply: 64
Imho, don't give hints as to the writer of each script. That's like 'Guess who wrote what' before we've even had a chance to read and vote.

That said, if it's anything like the OWC, writers often deliberately misspell etc., to throw you off course. I often include some American spelling in mine.
Posted by: FrankM, April 16th, 2018, 9:38pm; Reply: 65

Quoted from LC
Imho, don't give hints as to the writer of each script. That's like 'Guess who wrote what' before we've even had a chance to read and vote.


I was going to guess that Unreliable Witness was written by Dave, PK, RJP or Warren. 100% certain :)
Posted by: khamanna, April 17th, 2018, 3:29am; Reply: 66
I hope we can talk about scripts without touching the authorship and tickling the writers too much.

I find all four scripts to be strangely alike. Apart from filling the requirement they do have many things in common - they all happen to be one scene scripts. They all have four characters in the automobile at the same time (almost - Next Stop is a bit different to the others in this respect, one of the characters boarded the automobile on p2 or something)
I'd also comment on stories but I better not do it now perhaps. Maybe when the comp is over. But I do find them somewhat similar as well.
Posted by: LC, April 17th, 2018, 8:20am; Reply: 67
All solid entries this round. I've read all four and the writers are to be commended for what they put up in a short time. One in particular stood out for me.
Posted by: JEStaats, April 17th, 2018, 9:32am; Reply: 68
It seems that there is a lack of readership and participation this round. Someone should throw up a flare to the 'regulars' in case they've missed the quick turnaround and posting.
Posted by: LC, April 17th, 2018, 9:51am; Reply: 69
We'll I'm of the consensus that I'd rather post comments afterwards and just vote when the time comes. I really don't want to give any clue as to my vote or unwittingly create bias. This is a different beast to the OWC. Jmh.

I wonder how many are feeling the same ...

How long in this round till the vote?
Is commenting compulsory to be eligible to vote?
Posted by: Gary in Houston, April 17th, 2018, 10:01am; Reply: 70
I’ve read them all as well, but like others, I’ve been holding off on commenting until voting has ended because I didn’t want to unduly have any influence over other voters (not that anyone cares what I think in any event).  However, I had the same question as Libby — do we only get to vote if we’ve commented?
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 17th, 2018, 10:14am; Reply: 71
It gets kinda boring when there's only one contender.
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 10:38am; Reply: 72
I'll await guidance from above about whether to comment before or after the voting.

I think I know why this is coming up now, but nevermind.
Posted by: Gary in Houston, April 17th, 2018, 11:12am; Reply: 73

Quoted from DustinBowcot
It gets kinda boring when there's only one contender.


Except there isn’t right?  We know there’s two one on one contests going on, not just the best out of four.  So even if you think there’s one script head and shoulders above the rest, We don’t know which of the other three it’s paired against, and thus the other three are still very much in the race, and should provide an interesting vote in my typical pollyannish opinion.
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 17th, 2018, 11:35am; Reply: 74
Well, whoever wins the out of the other two can see how high the bar is. They've got some reaching to do in the next round.
Posted by: MarkItZero, April 17th, 2018, 12:28pm; Reply: 75
So, are we posting on the scripts or holding off?

I think I'm just gonna comment. Others have done it so I'm assuming that's okay.
Posted by: FrankM, April 17th, 2018, 12:36pm; Reply: 76

Quoted from MarkItZero
So, are we posting on the scripts or holding off?

I think I'm just gonna comment. Others have done it so I'm assuming that's okay.


I think it was the four contestants who mutually agreed to hold off. Others might want to avoid causing arguments or swaying opinions or something, but the primary holding-off driver is to avoid outing authors.
Posted by: RJP, April 17th, 2018, 3:04pm; Reply: 77

Quoted from FrankM


I think it was the four contestants who mutually agreed to hold off. Others might want to avoid causing arguments or swaying opinions or something, but the primary holding-off driver is to avoid outing authors.


I don't see any reason to hold off on your comments for the sake of "doing no harm." Most of the scripts got smeared by the first few reviews anyways. Damage is already done in that sense.

I know it's fun to make reviews, but it's a problem that I mentioned from the first round of the tourney. Some good scripts fell through the cracks because the first few comments weren't good and then everybody followed suit.

But I guess it's all in the name of fun and practice.
Posted by: eldave1, April 17th, 2018, 3:25pm; Reply: 78
No need or requirement to hold off comments. I held off so as to not defacto out myself.  If I comment on 3, then mine is obvious unless I made up some post for my script
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 3:36pm; Reply: 79

Quoted from RJP


I don't see any reason to hold off on your comments for the sake of "doing no harm." Most of the scripts got smeared by the first few reviews anyways. Damage is already done in that sense.

I know it's fun to make reviews, but it's a problem that I mentioned from the first round of the tourney. Some good scripts fell through the cracks because the first few comments weren't good and then everybody followed suit.

But I guess it's all in the name of fun and practice.


I agree, and I wish there were a way to fix it, but there probably isn't.
People insist they aren't influenced by previous comments, but it's clear that some are. All you have to do is look at the many repeated phrases and "I agree with everyone else" comments; even some misreading or inattentive reading of a script gets picked up and repeated. Commenting in competition gets to be a chore pretty quickly, so it's understandable if some of it's off the mark.

It's probably best for us not to be too invested in the outcome. As you said,  it's all in the name of fun and practice.
Posted by: Warren, April 17th, 2018, 4:14pm; Reply: 80
The only reason I haven’t been commenting is because I know with absolute certainty which script belongs to each writer.

I thought it was best the writers didn’t comment initially, but there’s nothing to say anyone can’t comment at any point.
Posted by: eldave1, April 17th, 2018, 4:33pm; Reply: 81

Quoted from Stumpzian


I agree, and I wish there were a way to fix it, but there probably isn't.
People insist they aren't influenced by previous comments, but it's clear that some are. All you have to do is look at the many repeated phrases and "I agree with everyone else" comments; even some misreading or inattentive reading of a script gets picked up and repeated. Commenting in competition gets to be a chore pretty quickly, so it's understandable if some of it's off the mark.

It's probably best for us not to be too invested in the outcome. As you said,  it's all in the name of fun and practice.


Nothing to fix. People may comment
Posted by: jayrex, April 17th, 2018, 4:46pm; Reply: 82

Quoted from Stumpzian


I agree, and I wish there were a way to fix it, but there probably isn't.
People insist they aren't influenced by previous comments, but it's clear that some are. All you have to do is look at the many repeated phrases and "I agree with everyone else" comments; even some misreading or inattentive reading of a script gets picked up and repeated. Commenting in competition gets to be a chore pretty quickly, so it's understandable if some of it's off the mark.

It's probably best for us not to be too invested in the outcome. As you said,  it's all in the name of fun and practice.


This notion has come up many times over the years.  I try my best not to read the comments until after I've commented.  I believe people can be swayed and have been swayed in the past.
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 4:52pm; Reply: 83

Quoted from eldave1


Nothing to fix. People may comment


That wasn't my point.
Posted by: PrussianMosby, April 17th, 2018, 5:22pm; Reply: 84
Hey, I have a problem with my power adapter. It's been a while... I've driven around to fix it... and of course I got the people to fix it, two days from now. Anyway, I'm now at my mother's pc, ha, just wanted to let you know
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 17th, 2018, 5:32pm; Reply: 85
People are swayed because it's easier and safer than having their own opinion. Some are also swayed when they realise they know who wrote what. They'll make up the craziest reasons for choosing the weaker script. It can be quite transparent at times. Bring on the bullshitty posts declaring that all the writers here have too much integrity for that.

That's the trouble with the truth, it's too ugly for us to look at. Certainly too ugly to ever want to admit to.
Posted by: ajr, April 17th, 2018, 5:44pm; Reply: 86
In other news, Lars Von Trier getting a Mel Gibson...

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/lars-von-triers-ban-cannes-film-fesitival-may-end-1202755417/

And Pete Rose is still banned from baseball.
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 7:18pm; Reply: 87

Quoted from DustinBowcot
It can be quite transparent at times.


Very.

Posted by: LC, April 17th, 2018, 7:25pm; Reply: 88

Quoted from DustinBowcot
... Bring on the bullshitty posts declaring that all the writers here have too much integrity for that.


Okay. I can't speak for other writers, only for myself. I'm too opinionated to follow the herd. Ask my Ma, and my husband.  ;D

You give every indication Dustin that the 'best' script is so obvious, and that everyone knows this. I have no idea which one you you're referring to. I think all are pretty solidly written. My choice comes down to competently written and what could make a riveting film. And it's subjective in that it's which film I think I would enjoy the most, and which entry stayed with me the most.

Even if comments follow the: 'I agree with the previous poster' (which does personally drive me barmy), voting is actually anon.It gives that all important buffer of individual thought and action.

Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 7:31pm; Reply: 89

Quoted from LC

You give every indication Dustin that the 'best' script is so obvious,


In terms of delivery, he's right. In terms of content, he's not.

"Barmy." I like that.
Posted by: LC, April 17th, 2018, 8:09pm; Reply: 90

Quoted from PrussianMosby
Hey, I have a problem with my power adapter. It's been a while... I've driven around to fix it... and of course I got the people to fix it, two days from now. Anyway, I'm now at my mother's pc, ha, just wanted to let you know

Online blackout.  ;D I know what that feels like. Mums can always be relied upon.

Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 8:48pm; Reply: 91
I'll comment on each script tomorrow (Wednesday).
My opinion: If a writer has made it to this round, he should be giving it his all in terms of story, story-telling, originality, and script formatting. This is not the round for such nicey comments as "Good job for only 48 hours" or "Many errors, but that's to be expected...."
Posted by: eldave1, April 17th, 2018, 8:58pm; Reply: 92

Quoted from Stumpzian
I'll comment on each script tomorrow (Wednesday).
My opinion: If a writer has made it to this round, he should be giving it his all in terms of story, story-telling, originality, and script formatting. This is not the round for such nicey comments as "Good job for only 48 hours" or "Many errors, but that's to be expected...."


Not quite sure I get this Henry. I assume everybody gave it their all every round. And 48 hours is still 48 hours whether it's round 1 or round 5. I'll mull it over, but for me anyway what round it was did not bear any relevance to the writing
Posted by: eldave1, April 17th, 2018, 8:59pm; Reply: 93

Quoted from Stumpzian


That wasn't my point.


Got it. I misread your post
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 17th, 2018, 9:01pm; Reply: 94

Quoted from eldave1


Not quite sure I get this Henry. I assume everybody gave it their all every round. And 48 hours is still 48 hours whether it's round 1 or round 5. I'll mull it over, but for me anyway what round it was did not bear any relevance to the writing


I don't assume anything.
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 18th, 2018, 1:22am; Reply: 95
Those that deny the keenest are often the biggest perpetrators.
Posted by: khamanna, April 18th, 2018, 4:48am; Reply: 96

Quoted from DustinBowcot
Those that deny the keenest are often the biggest perpetrators.


Deny what?

I agree with you on the best script - and I know which one you're talking about as I read your comments - but saying everyone should think the same as I would be ..hmm... interesting to say the least. My opinion is just what it is - another opinion, nothing more than that.


Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 18th, 2018, 6:58am; Reply: 97
Deny that opinions are swayed by other comments, and also deny they aren't swayed once they figure out who wrote what.

The best script in the present lineup is obvious. Anybody that thinks different isn't worth listening to.
Posted by: eldave1, April 18th, 2018, 10:30am; Reply: 98

Quoted from Stumpzian


I don't assume anything.


And that wasn't my point.  I'll try a different tact.


Quoted Text
My opinion: If a writer has made it to this round, he should be giving it his all in terms of story, story-telling, originality, and script formatting.


My opinion: The round is not relevant. The writer should have met the same - giving it all - standard in every round.


Quoted Text
This is not the round for such nicey comments as "Good job for only 48 hours" or "Many errors, but that's to be expected....


My opinion. Actually do think the 48 hours should be considered as well as the parameters. Note obviously not really 48 hours - more like 5 or 6 hours since we all have lives, family, sleep. work, etc consuming that time as well. Regardless, I always judge the scripts (for all OWCs)  in the context of limited time and restrictive parameters).  As an example, IMO - all of these scripts would have been better if the action did not have to take place entirely in a car - I think the writers know that.  i.e., none of these scripts will reflect the writer's best work.  

Anyway - not a deal - we just have a different take on it.
Posted by: eldave1, April 18th, 2018, 10:48am; Reply: 99

Quoted from LC

Okay. I can't speak for other writers, only for myself. I'm too opinionated to follow the herd. Ask my Ma, and my husband.  ;D


And, like the straying wildebeest - the ones the lions always get,  I'm too oblivious to follow the herd.

On to the point.

- I never read OWC comments before posting my own. I think they would influence me if I did so no need to be contaminated.

- I do read all the comments after I post. I am impacted by: if I thought a script was crap, and the majority loved it, I'll take another look to see if I just missed something, was in a pissy mood, etc. etc  when I read. On a few occasions that exercise did temper my view of a script and I think rightly so.  

- I do think who I know and like would impact my review - not saying that's a good thing, but I think that's just true in life - ergo - glad that these are anonymous.
Posted by: eldave1, April 18th, 2018, 11:02am; Reply: 100
I am confused by the lack of a voting process on this one.

In the last rounds we voted as we reviewed with the votes being finalized on Thursday night and the new parameters announced shortly after that to allow time for a script by Sunday night. i.e., peeps had four days to vote.

Is this one going to have a one day vote??? OR - are we extending a week?

Confused in Los Angeles.
Posted by: jayrex, April 18th, 2018, 11:46am; Reply: 101

Quoted from eldave1


And that wasn't my point.  I'll try a different tact.



My opinion: The round is not relevant. The writer should have met the same - giving it all - standard in every round.



My opinion. Actually do think the 48 hours should be considered as well as the parameters. Note obviously not really 48 hours - more like 5 or 6 hours since we all have lives, family, sleep. work, etc consuming that time as well. Regardless, I always judge the scripts (for all OWCs)  in the context of limited time and restrictive parameters).  As an example, IMO - all of these scripts would have been better if the action did not have to take place entirely in a car - I think the writers know that.  i.e., none of these scripts will reflect the writer's best work.  

Anyway - not a deal - we just have a different take on it.


I agree.  It’s harsh to punish people for the obvious mistakes that creep through, 48hours is a tight timescale.  Even if no mistakes/errors are made, it’s not a done deal to pick one writer who wrote an average story that contains zero mistakes over another writer who had a good/great story that contains mistakes.

Expect mistakes, it’s a given.
Posted by: khamanna, April 18th, 2018, 12:45pm; Reply: 102
Hmm. There's no scorecard.

Last time we were given 5 hours to fill out the scorecard at first. And then it changed to 5 days. I hope we have more than a few hours this time. Just want to make sure it finds me awake.
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 18th, 2018, 6:19pm; Reply: 103
Regarding my earlier comments about expecting writers in this round to have given it their all in terms of story-telling, originality, and  producing a clean script:

It IS competition, after all. You deliver or you don't. You come up with the best you can and put it out there.

I, for one, almost never penalize competitors for minor mistakes. In my comments, you won't see lists of comma infractions or typos or upside-down periods. What I focus on is successful, original story-telling.  For example, in the alt-history OWC, Cameron's WWW II script was rough as a cob, as an old city editor of mine used to say. But I commented positively -- because of the story-telling -- and gave him high marks.

In this near-final round, though, I would expect cleaner scripts. I think it was Warren who said he read his script 30 times before submitting. You can't ask for more than that.




Posted by: LC, April 18th, 2018, 7:13pm; Reply: 104
Story is key for me too. I don't penalise for typos formatting etc. either. I might mention some if they haven't already been noted ad infinitum - that gets boring fast and I know when I'm on the other end of it: Yes, I got that already!  If it's a real dog's brekky - 'rough as a cob'  ;D (that a Southern expression?) it's likely the story will follow suit.

Upside down period.  :D

Posted by: Warren, April 18th, 2018, 7:27pm; Reply: 105

Quoted from Stumpzian
I think it was Warren who said he read his script 30 times before submitting. You can't ask for more than that.


Yeah that was me, and we have had a similar discussion before about OWC entries being vomit drafts.

I said that I've never submitted something as a vomit draft. I may not be happy with the story, but I am always happy with the writing.

If I have missed anything in regards to spelling, grammar, passive writing, or format it's because I really did miss it. It's never because I was rushed or being lazy.

Story on the other hand is different, we are confined to the parameters we are given. How original we can be has nothing to do with anything I listed before.
Posted by: DanC, April 19th, 2018, 8:18am; Reply: 106
I'm waiting to see how to vote.  What do we do??

And I can say that I don't pay attention to what others ssy.  I read them to see if they cover what I wanted to ssy.
Posted by: LC, April 19th, 2018, 8:40am; Reply: 107

Quoted from DanC
...And I can say that I don't pay attention to what others ssy.  I read them to see if they cover what I wanted to ssy.

Why the stuttering then, Dan? ;D
Posted by: DanC, April 19th, 2018, 8:59am; Reply: 108

Quoted from LC

Why the stuttering then, Dan? ;D


You know it's bad when your keyboard stutters.  Skynet iss real

Dan
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 19th, 2018, 9:06am; Reply: 109
Stories are all the same. It's only the execution that matters. Talk of a 'great story' should be saved for the Oscars.

We're sold on concepts and premises, then those stories are expected to follow the same formula to fulfill our need for completeness... ABC, the beginning, a middle, and an end.

Execution is all that matters. Especially here. A producer will simply hire a pro writer and give the amateur a story by credit.
Posted by: LC, April 19th, 2018, 9:32am; Reply: 110
Ready to vote...

Whenever you guys are ready. :)
Posted by: eldave1, April 19th, 2018, 11:14am; Reply: 111

Quoted from LC
Ready to vote...

Whenever you guys are ready. :)


Yep - can't account for the difference on this one. In the other rounds we voted as we read with Thursday being the deadline to cast your vote. The only exception being when we had to re-vote and that one was therefore extended by a week.

So, certainly a mystery here is to the delay. My guess is that we are extending again.

We'll see.


Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 11:20am; Reply: 112
Dealing with something at the moment, unfortunately.
Posted by: FrankM, April 19th, 2018, 11:27am; Reply: 113

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Dealing with something at the moment, unfortunately.


Sean is obviously handcuffed in the backseat of a racist’s car that was dropped into a compactor that is itself buried in snow and in the path of an ominous red sandstorm.
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 19th, 2018, 1:02pm; Reply: 114

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Dealing with something at the moment, unfortunately.


Take care of the important stuff.

We can wait.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 2:30pm; Reply: 115

Quoted from PKCardinal
Take care of the important stuff.

We can wait.


It's tournament-related.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 2:34pm; Reply: 116
Everyone, here is the voting link for round 4. I will also be posting it on the OP for this thread, for reference. Good luck to the writers.

Voting Page
Posted by: eldave1, April 19th, 2018, 2:37pm; Reply: 117

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Everyone, here is the voting link for round 4. I will also be posting it on the OP for this thread, for reference. Good luck to the writers.

Voting Page


When are they due by?
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 2:38pm; Reply: 118
To give you guys extra time, because of the delay, they'll be due tomorrow at 9AM. That's 17 and a half hours from right now.
Posted by: ajr, April 19th, 2018, 2:51pm; Reply: 119
I just voted... and forgot to put my name on it.
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2018, 3:00pm; Reply: 120
Done! One Excellent, one Very Good and two Goods.
Tough round.

17 hours sounds like plenty of time for those who are done with reads amd eager to vote.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 3:01pm; Reply: 121

Quoted from ajr
I just voted... and forgot to put my name on it.


It actually didn't come through for me. I've received four thus far. Could you submit again, please?
Posted by: Gary in Houston, April 19th, 2018, 3:02pm; Reply: 122

Quoted from ajr
I just voted... and forgot to put my name on it.


I’ve been there as well.  You can just go back and vote again, putting your name and email address in. The other ballot should be thrown out.

Sean, when will the winners be announced?  Tomorrow evening?
Posted by: ajr, April 19th, 2018, 3:03pm; Reply: 123
Re-submitted.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 3:04pm; Reply: 124

Quoted from Gary in Houston
Sean, when will the winners be announced?  Tomorrow evening?


Same time as usual. The finals will go up at noon tomorrow.
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2018, 3:11pm; Reply: 125

Quoted from Mr. Blonde


It actually didn't come through for me.

Hope mine made it through.

Posted by: eldave1, April 19th, 2018, 3:12pm; Reply: 126

Quoted from khamanna

Hope mine made it through.



I gave you a 6
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2018, 3:16pm; Reply: 127
Sorry, Sean, I like confirmations on every little thing - a bit of obsessive.


Quoted from eldave1


I gave you a 6


That's funny.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2018, 3:30pm; Reply: 128
It's okay. I have confirmations from 9 people thus far, not including your double vote, Dave. =)
Posted by: eldave1, April 19th, 2018, 3:33pm; Reply: 129

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
It's okay. I have confirmations from 9 people thus far, not including your double vote, Dave. =)


I gave Kham two 6s
Posted by: jayrex, April 19th, 2018, 4:22pm; Reply: 130
Just voted too.
Posted by: Gary in Houston, April 19th, 2018, 4:38pm; Reply: 131
Finished with all my comments and have voted.  I have my predictions on how it will turn out but will give those out after voting has closed.

Best of luck to all who participated.
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), April 19th, 2018, 4:51pm; Reply: 132
1 Excellent and 3 Fair.

Well done whoever got the excellent. I'm really bad at guessing writers, but there aren't many here with a voice that strong, so I think I know who it must be, who it can only be. Well done, some cracking writing in this tourney from you.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 19th, 2018, 5:00pm; Reply: 133
Voted
Posted by: JEStaats, April 19th, 2018, 5:34pm; Reply: 134
Voted
Posted by: LC, April 19th, 2018, 5:58pm; Reply: 135
Voted.
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 19th, 2018, 6:31pm; Reply: 136
Voted.
Posted by: FrankM, April 19th, 2018, 7:01pm; Reply: 137
I voted at some point earlier in the day.
Posted by: SAC, April 20th, 2018, 6:43am; Reply: 138
Voted.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 20th, 2018, 8:26am; Reply: 139
Feel free to out yourselves, if you'd like. The votes are in the process of being tallied. Thank you, everyone, for participating. =)
Posted by: LC, April 20th, 2018, 8:33am; Reply: 140
Jeepers, the action always happens when I'm about to hit the sack.  ::)

Hurry up so I can see if I was right.

I think Warren wrote, Next Stop, Salvation.
Posted by: Gary in Houston, April 20th, 2018, 8:34am; Reply: 141
My guess as to who wrote what:

A Southern Night - Dave
Unreliable Witness - Paul (PKCardinal)
Next Stop Salvation - Warren
Winter’s Bite - RJP

If those are correct, then my predicted matchup in the final are Dave and Paul.

Good luck to all!

Gary
Posted by: LC, April 20th, 2018, 8:41am; Reply: 142
Yes, and I was just about to write my other predictions exactly as Gary did, cause his 2cents is always on the money.  ;)
Posted by: SAC, April 20th, 2018, 8:42am; Reply: 143
Definitely got Dave for A Southern Night, and Warren for Next Stop, Salvation.
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 20th, 2018, 10:02am; Reply: 144

Quoted from Gary in Houston
My guess as to who wrote what:

A Southern Night - Dave
Unreliable Witness - Paul (PKCardinal)
Next Stop Salvation - Warren
Winter’s Bite - RJP

If those are correct, then my predicted matchup in the final are Dave and Paul.

Good luck to all!

Gary


Those are my guesses.  ;)

I'm hoping if I don't finish 2nd this round, that I finish 4th. Really don't want to advance with the 3rd highest score.

If I do advance... Lord help me. Least I wouldn't have any pressure, 'cause everyone would rightly expect a slaughter.

Posted by: PKCardinal, April 20th, 2018, 10:33am; Reply: 145
And there it is. Worst case scenario.

Sorry, Warren. I feel awful.
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 20th, 2018, 10:43am; Reply: 146
Regarding: Unreliable Witness

Clearly, I bit off more than I should have with that attempt. I'll explain some of my thinking with the script in the script's thread.

There's one question I'd love to discuss. If anybody's willing to engage, I'll post it in the thread. (How would you handle Jesse's dialogue, related to his injury?) I'll post my quandary in the thread.

Thanks all!
Posted by: Warren, April 20th, 2018, 10:50am; Reply: 147

Quoted from PKCardinal
And there it is. Worst case scenario.

Sorry, Warren. I feel awful.



Please don't think that. It's the nature of the structure of the comp.

Congrats, and good Luck in the the finals!
Posted by: PKCardinal, April 20th, 2018, 11:04am; Reply: 148

Quoted from Warren



Please don't think that. It's the nature of the structure of the comp.

Congrats, and good Luck in the the finals!


Thank you, Warren. That helps. I'll try and give him as good a go as you did.
Posted by: khamanna, April 20th, 2018, 12:54pm; Reply: 149
Good luck, PK and Dave! and congrats!
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