Quoted from leitskev I'm in, Mark. Down with slugs! In with minis. Let the revolution begin.

Mini Slugs, wrylies, and asides only in every script from now on!!

Quoted from MarkRenshaw The next OWC must be the front door challenge. Mini slugs only.

I think I broke SimplyScripts.

BTW  - https://gointothestory.blcklst.com/there-are-no-screenwriting-rules-cec80d9c112a

Quoted from PKCardinal I think I broke SimplyScripts.

First it’s my script...then it’s yours.

Quoted from Dreamscale Mini Slugs, wrylies, and asides only in every script from now on!!

I'm not going to get into a back and forth today as I'm going hiking in a little while, but no one has ever advocated for something like this, yet you continue to say things like what I quoted.

We say use wrylies with purpose, you say fill the script with them.

We say an orphan may come at the end of the best possible version of your action, you say fill the script with them.

We say a well used aside can enhance the story, you say fill the script with them.

It's hard to debate with these irrational suggestions because they are so far from what has actually been said. But this is your way, if it can't just make sense, blow it way out of proportion so that it seems ridiculous.

Congrats on your 4 star rating from Jeff It was definitely up there with the real contenders.

Well it's midnight here in the UK and I can wait for the results no longer. I'll be back after a few hours sleep to congratulate Stowaway.

Quoted from Dreamscale Dave, where's all the anger coming from, brother?  Calm your old arse down...we don't want you to have a heart attack or something. In terms of my "silly" comment on Paul's script, as you quoted, I simply asked a question as to where the front door was.  That's all I did on the script thread, correct? The bigger issue in the script was the use of INT/EXT LIVING ROOM.  Just looking at such a Slug should give one a notion that something's wrong with it.  As in, it just doesn't make any sense.  How can one be inside the living room and outside the living room in the same scene? As per my "silly" comments on Mini Slugs and defending what I said earlier, I'll continue to defend it. You say that no one said anything about omitting time elements - well...you're saying it by saying Mini Slugs are just fine to use when time has passed.  In fact, I think you said the only time it's not right is if it's changed from day to night or night to day.  Mini Slug away!! Don't you get it?  OK, so now, I've got Paul's script open and am looking at bottom of Page 2, top of page 3, and I see exactly what I was referring to, and what you quoted. You don't see the issue here?  The issue is to view the action, as it's written. As it's written, Ashley grabs a photo in the hallway.  End of scene. Next scene - Ashley smashes the photo in the kitchen.  Then, she suddenly has a scissors in her hands, and she cuts the photo in half. You don't see anything wrong here? BTW, I said outright on the Remote Control thread, that it was my favorite of the bunch.  Give me a fucking break, dude!

Quoted Text In terms of my "silly" comment on Paul's script, as you quoted, I simply asked a question as to where the front door was.  That's all I did on the script thread, correct?

Would have been perfectly fine if you left it there. But you didn't/couldn't.  Instead, you had to provide some inaccurate info on where front doors are located.

Quoted Text The bigger issue in the script was the use of INT/EXT LIVING ROOM...

I never mentioned this. I have no disagreement with your view on it. I think you're right.

Quoted Text As per my "silly" comments on Mini Slugs and defending what I said earlier, I'll continue to defend it. You say that no one said anything about omitting time elements - well...you're saying it by saying Mini Slugs are just fine to use when time has passed.  In fact, I think you said the only time it's not right is if it's changed from day to night or night to day.  Mini Slug away!!

To answer your first question, this is where the frustration (not anger) comes from. Your misdirection in responses continues to clutter and make discussion on these issues far more difficult then they should be.

I said - no one said anything about eliminating time elements from headers (full scene headings). Why did I have to waste time with that - well, because of your  misdirection argument - i.e., that if one believes that it's not important element for a mini-slug ergo it must not be an important for a scene header - let's eliminate them. So now we are discussing full headers (which was never the foking point) because you want to escape down this road rather than address the issue at hand.

In terms of Paul's script (sorry Paul): Here it is.

Quoted Text INT. SUBURBAN HOUSE - LIVING ROOM - NIGHT Ashley wakes. Checks her phone. Tosses it aside. HALLWAY Ashley leans, her forehead against a door. A handmade sign on the door shows a child’s drawing: A CAR, A STICK FIGURE, A NAME, JUSTIN. A picture hangs in the hallway: A MAN, 34, A BOY, JUSTIN, 8. ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE. MATCHING SMILES, MATCHING CONSTRUCTION HELMETS. Ashley grabs the photo. KITCHEN Ashley smashes the photo on the corner of the table. She rips the picture from the frame, oblivious to the broken glass that cuts her fingers. Using scissors, she violently cuts the photo in half, splitting the two figures.

There is no place in this sequence where a full scene heading is required or where the use of the mini-slug was incorrect - and, most importantly, it was perfectly clear what was going on.  Ashley took the photo from the Hallway into the Kitchen.

You argue that min-slugs have to be absolutely continuous (this was part of your what we are and are not privy too diatribe). So, to meet that standard and it would half to be something like:
(new stuff bolded)

INT. SUBURBAN HOUSE - LIVING ROOM - NIGHT

Ashley wakes. Checks her phone. Tosses it aside.

She jumps out of bed and sprints into the --

HALLWAY

Ashley leans, her forehead against a door. A handmade sign
on the door shows a child’s drawing: A CAR, A STICK FIGURE, A
NAME, JUSTIN.

A picture hangs in the hallway: A MAN, 34, A BOY, JUSTIN, 8.
ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE. MATCHING SMILES, MATCHING
CONSTRUCTION HELMETS.

Ashley grabs the photo. She heads towards the -

STAIRS

And hustles down them until she reaches the --

LIVING ROOM

Trips on the rug as she makes her way to the

KITCHEN

Ashley smashes the photo on the corner of the table.
She rips the picture from the frame, oblivious to the broken
glass that cuts her fingers.

Christ What an unnecessarily cluttered piece that would be. What's the other option - full headers. Here we go.


INT. SUBURBAN HOUSE - LIVING ROOM - NIGHT

Ashley wakes. Checks her phone. Tosses it aside.

INT. SUBURBAN HOUSE - HALLWAY - NIGHT

Ashley leans, her forehead against a door. A handmade sign
on the door shows a child’s drawing: A CAR, A STICK FIGURE, A
NAME, JUSTIN.

A picture hangs in the hallway: A MAN, 34, A BOY, JUSTIN, 8.
ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE. MATCHING SMILES, MATCHING
CONSTRUCTION HELMETS.

Ashley grabs the photo. She heads towards the -

INT. SUBURBAN HOUSE - KITCHEN  NIGHT

Ashley smashes the photo on the corner of the table.
She rips the picture from the frame, oblivious to the broken
glass that cuts her fingers.

Which would not at all be an improvement over the original nor would it provide any more clarity on the amount of time that has passed.

So, I'll try one more time - to use a mini-slug it does not have to be linearly continuous action (i.e., you do not need to be privy to each specific step on the character's journey in order to allow for their use). i.e., you are wrong about when is is appropriate to use mini-slugs. If you were confused by the sequence in Paul's script - the advice should not be akin to you are using mini-slugs incorrectly - it should be - hey. I was confused about the time that elapsed when she went to the kitchen - maybe the mini-slug should be:

KITCHEN - MOMENTS LATER

Now, I'm sure your next mis-direction - like it often is - will be something akin to - fine, use mini-slugs for your entire script!! which of course will be further and further from the original point.

But I will give you an out because you're still a mate, Jeff.

All you have to so is say:

Yes, it's okay to use mini-slugs for non-continuous actions. I was wrong about the information we are not privy to thing - there are tons of things in scripts we are not privy too.

What I really mean is that if you are going to use mini-slugs make sure they provide clarity and that the non-use of a full header doesn't provide confusion

Quoted from MarkRenshaw BTW  - https://gointothestory.blcklst.com/there-are-no-screenwriting-rules-cec80d9c112a

Indeed!

So Beyond the Sea was indeed mine.

Glad to see some people liked it.

Not going to quote you, Dave, but my point is till exactly the same and you still aren't getting it.

Mini Slugs, by intent means that since there isn't a time element, one is to assume no time has elapsed - or - the action in the new room is taking place at the same time.

Go back to exactly what I said in my last post about exactly what is written is exactly what a reader should envision and tell me if that's the way it should be written.  Seriously.  Do that and you can have an out, by saying, Yeah, Jeff, I see what you're talking about now.  We cool, brother.

Quoted from Dreamscale Mini Slugs, by intent means that since there isn't a time element, one is to assume no time has elapsed - or - the action in the new room is taking place at the same time.

This is incorrect and bad advice to any writer.

I have already quoted one source (Trottier) that disputes your premise.  - there are many others if you need them.

Can you provide one source on your claim? i.e., mini-slugs should be limited to instances where no time has passed.

Quoted from eldave1 This is incorrect and bad advice to any writer. I have already quoted one source (Trottier) that disputes your premise.  - there are many others if you need them. Can you provide one source on your claim? i.e., mini-slugs should be limited to instances where no time has passed.

Dave, how about common fucking sense?

If there's no time element, what does that mean to you?

Or, are you saying that time elements aren't necessary?

Dave - you know he likes it?

Quoted from Dreamscale Dave, how about common fucking sense? If there's no time element, what does that mean to you? Or, are you saying that time elements aren't necessary?

So - no source?

Quoted from eldave1 So - no source?

Do you need a source for 2+2 = 4?