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A man I'd like to discuss with fellow SSers. Good article here.


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I used to like him a lot but I've gone off him over the past few years. I read a book called Lynch on Lynch a few years back and he seems just as confused by the meaning of his films as the general public. It seems he just gets random ideas weaves them together with a bit of dream logic and there you have it. In fact several times throughout the book he said "who knows where these ideas come from" Technically speaking he's a great director and the cinematography and soundtracks in his films are always very beautiful even when he’s tackling gruesome subject matter.

My favourite Lynch movies would be Wild at Heart, The Elephant Man and Blue Velvet. There were also a lot of elements in the Lost Highway that I loved too. Like the situation with the main couple being video taped as they slept in their bed by persons unknown and then having the tape sent to them. That was really creepy and was a great set up for what should’ve been a good film but unfortunately it just went off on an unfocused tangent.
I'm also a little confused about why still needs to chain smoke when he says he gets so much out of transcendental meditation.
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All good points Chris and as per usual with your good self. I do like Lynch and I take your point. But you'd agree he's the only guy making film I need to see?


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My favourite Lynch film was Eraserhead and I think he kind of went downhill from there.
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Eraserhead wasn't bad. Some cool parts and lotsa creepy parts. Not much replay value though. Dune also had some cool/creepy parts but had lots of bad acting too. Blue Velvet was my favorite out of the three Lynch films I've seen. Best story and had the most stylistic range. Dennis Hopper was pretty wacky too. Still gotta check out Mulholland Drive. I've heard good things about that one even from Lynch detractors.

Not much of a fan of his philosophy or approach to filmmaking though. Too over-analytical. Case in point: I'd agree that films should be watched in their entirety on not in segments but not putting chapters on your DVDs is asinine. I rented Eraserhead on DVD once and there was a scratch on the disc about 15 minutes in. Of course, you can't skip to the next chapter because it's David Lynch so basically one tiny scratch makes the entire DVD unplayable. Didn't think that one through, did you, Mr. Lynch. You can't make this up.


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Oh I love David Lynch. My second all time favourite director behind Miyazaki.

David Lynch is the only director I know who can take a plot or narrative and make it go round in a full circle. Any typical movie is a straight line point A to point B. But in a Lynch film you can feel the story just curve in on itself. It's weird and hard to explain. Inland Empire and Muholland Drive is a good example of this.  It is just mind blowing everytime I see it.

Recently Lynch has been getting a lot of criticism from fans in regards to a director who has gotten to the point where he is stealing ideas from himself. I can sort of see it but there is only one Lynch and will ever be one Lynch.

My only complaint is that he doesn't pump out enough movies and no studio will throw bundles of cash his way for his projects. Lynch has fully embraced digital filmmaking (which is appernetly cheap and fast to produce-just go ask Rodregiez) and so you'd think he would be playing around in that sandbox with all the enthusiasm of a kid with ADD and releasing more movies.

I just wish a studio would throw him 10 million dollars so he can go out with a bang and finally shoot his Johnny Rocket script and play around with todays CGI effects.

Blue Velvet is my all time fav Lynch movie  


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I LOVE David Lynch!!

Twin Peaks is still on my mind!

I like his warped sense of thinking. Once, someone told me I was like a female version of him, but I can't remember what script it was in reference to at the moment, but I went like "WOW"!

Still dreaming here.  


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Here's some things for you. The Log Lady. Bob. Leo. Diane. Those very words make hairs on the back of my neck stand straight up. Is there another film maker out there who can do that? Long live DL. And all hail TP!


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As for Mulholland Drive I challenge anyone to come up with a bigger mind fuck of a film. This guy does not get the credit he richly deserves in my very humble opinion.


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Too easy. Inland Empire is way more twisted up then Mulholland. As one critic described the movie: the plot goes down so many rabbit holes, the film simply dissapears.


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I've yet to see to see this. A phrase I believe he culled from Laura Dern. Once I do I'll report back. I hasten to add I've yet to be disappointed by his work.


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You start a Lynch thread and you have not seen Inland Empire. Shame on you Rendevous. shame!

As for Lynch at his kick ass best, you have to see the ad below he has done for Playstation where Lynch is given a big budget and free reign to do whatever he pleases. Result: GOLD!





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Quoted from tonkatough
Oh I love David Lynch. My second all time favourite director behind Miyazaki.

Blue Velvet is my all time fav Lynch movie  


Really? This is a big surprise - from comments I have seen you post regarding disliking the darker aspects of some scripts, I would never have thought he would be a favourite of yours!

While I liked "Twin Peaks" and the earlier films, such as "Velvet" and "Wild at Heart", I must say that I felt that, like much surrealism, Lynch's films ended up disappearing up their own exhaust pipes - there is little emotional connection to be found in his films - image often seems (to me) to be all. Surface but no shadow, if you see what I mean.



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well Niles, you got me there and I honestly don't know how to respond.

I love a movie that takes me on a walk on the dark side if the violence and brutality is structured tightly into the story or make-up of the character. What I don't like is graphic violence used in Torture Porn to excite/revolt the viewer.

Interesting tidbit. I write short scripts too and it has often been commented on reviews here as my short scripts being a little on the dark side.

Also laughed my head off at your opinion of "Lynch's films ended up disappearing up their own exhaust pipes" So funny cause- yes even I am willing to admit -that there is a bit of truth in it. But the style and flare of Lynch's work is so mesmorizing and beautiful, who cares if it is only an inch thick and has no depth, I could stand there all day and just gaze into it.    


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I love David Lynch.

I think the most salient point is one that is mentioned in the article, there's always something to think about in his films.

When you try to experiment with different things you are always going to run the risk of failing to create a cohesive whole and you have to accept that you are going to lose some audience members, but I've got to a stage where i like seeing Direcots take risks and risk failing with something a little bit different, rather than keeping it safe and predictable.

It's rare to watch a film and think I've not seen that before and Lynch is one of the very few writers and directors who has any surprises left.
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I think Inland Empire is about the only Lynch film I haven't seen. I usually hit the end of them and say "huh?" The end of Lost Highway did make me smile, though, as non-sensical as it got in the middle.

Mulholland Drive is just out there, but feels like much of the commentary I've read on it. I often wondered why it was burning along just fine and then shifted gears at the end. Then I read it was supposed to be the pilot for a TV show and when the TV shows wasn't green lit, he had to tack on an ending. Well, it felt tacked on.

Part of me likes Lynch because there is some artistic depth to his films, and sometimes, they're worth seeing again just because you want to figure them out.

But therein lies my biggest problem with them as well. Those of you who know me know I'm a plot guy. The plot must makes perfect sense no matter how many turns it takes throughout the telling. You can take it on a tangent, but that tangent must always come back to a relationship with the larger narrative. His don't often do this.

They'll plod along for a little while, turn left and never look back or even recall what happened before. Sometimes, this works. Most of the time, it doesn't.

I tried to get all Lynch-ish when I wrote a short a couple years ago. I filmed it and put it all together, but it's not very David Lynch. Why? It makes sense. It's not bad, really. It sets up one idea, makes you think one thing is going on, and then reverses you into the truth in the last 30 seconds. Why isn't that Lynch like? If it were Lynch, the last 30 seconds would have nothing to do with the first 3 minutes, and instead of "ah", you'd say "what the hell just happened?"


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My favourite Lynch film was Eraserhead and I think he kind of went downhill from there.


Can't say I agree there. I love Blue Velvet and Wild At Heart. Fine films. Weird, but fine pieces of cinema. And uniquely his too. Nobody makes films like Lynch.


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Eraserhead wasn't bad. Some cool parts and lotsa creepy parts. Not much replay value though. Dune also had some cool/creepy parts but had lots of bad acting too. Blue Velvet was my favorite out of the three Lynch films I've seen. Best story and had the most stylistic range. Dennis Hopper was pretty wacky too. Still gotta check out Mulholland Drive. I've heard good things about that one even from Lynch detractors.


He got stuffed by the studio on Dune. Took his name of the credits too, or tried to at least. BV is rather good isn't it?

I really do like Mulholland Drive. Very strange indeed.


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David Lynch is the only director I know who can take a plot or narrative and make it go round in a full circle. Any typical movie is a straight line point A to point B. But in a Lynch film you can feel the story just curve in on itself. It's weird and hard to explain. Inland Empire and Muholland Drive is a good example of this.  It is just mind blowing everytime I see it.


Indeed. A nail hit right on the head there.


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Recently Lynch has been getting a lot of criticism from fans in regards to a director who has gotten to the point where he is stealing ideas from himself. I can sort of see it but there is only one Lynch and will ever be one Lynch.


Another nail sunk.


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My only complaint is that he doesn't pump out enough movies and no studio will throw bundles of cash his way for his projects. Lynch has fully embraced digital filmmaking (which is appernetly cheap and fast to produce-just go ask Rodregiez) and so you'd think he would be playing around in that sandbox with all the enthusiasm of a kid with ADD and releasing more movies.


Yeah, I don't know why he doesn't do more. Then I always said the same about Kubrick. I think they just get bogged down in pre production then never actually get round to shooting it. Even with DV there's still a lot of money involved. And that's probably half the trouble. People don't want to put money into a Lynch film as they can probably more more elsewhere.


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I just wish a studio would throw him 10 million dollars so he can go out with a bang and finally shoot his Johnny Rocket script and play around with todays CGI effects.


That would be great wouldn't it?


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You start a Lynch thread and you have not seen Inland Empire. Shame on you Rendevous. shame!


Oh my. I've seen all the others though. Must buy the bloody thing so I can raise my head in public once more. My, it's got a little hot in here.


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Surface but no shadow, if you see what I mean.


I dunno about that. I see what you mean though. He's dealing in strange worlds though where the normal rules don't apply. He did also make the Straight Story which was a straight forward road movie, albeit an old man on a lawnmower. He never can do things by the book can he?


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It's rare to watch a film and think I've not seen that before and Lynch is one of the very few writers and directors who has any surprises left.


Spot on that sir.


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Mulholland Drive is just out there, but feels like much of the commentary I've read on it. I often wondered why it was burning along just fine and then shifted gears at the end. Then I read it was supposed to be the pilot for a TV show and when the TV shows wasn't green lit, he had to tack on an ending. Well, it felt tacked on.


I think there is some truth in that. I still love it though.


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I usually hit the end of them and say "huh?" The end of Lost Highway did make me smile, though, as non-sensical as it got in the middle.


LH is a real mind fuck. I usually do get to the end and then say 'huh?' myself. But then I watch them again and they always seem to make a lot more sense than they do the first time.



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LH is a real mind fuck. I usually do get to the end and then say 'huh?' myself. But then I watch them again and they always seem to make a lot more sense than they do the first time.


Which is why you hit the end of them, initially wonder what went on, think it sucked and then wonder why you want to watch it again to make sure.


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Lost Highway & Mulholland Drive are my favourite.

I don't like Eraserhead.


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Jayrex,

I can understand someone disliking Eraserhead. It's one of the weirdest and creepiest films I've seen. Lynch has a very unique way on adding sinister elements to his work. It's not just the music either. He somehow manages to inject a huge sense of dread into me whenever I watch one of his films. He also makes some funny parts hilarious.

Just can't get enough these days.

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i love david lynch! i had only seen a few of his films, but we're studying him right now in my film aesthetics course and i earn more and more respect for his films the more i analyze them! it helps my professors obsessed with lynch and has some interesting theories on all his movies! he's the only director i know that can make discontinuity work


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Lost Highway is awesome.


Indeed Slabby. I loved the scene on the road when Robert Loggia chases the jerk who cut him up. Class.

Kev

There's a lot going on in Lynch movies. I love the way he just throws a scene in almost out of the blue with new characters mid conversation. Mulholland Drive comes to mind when a man is telling another man about this dream he's had twice that has his companion in it. The dream takes place in the very cafe in which they are now sitting.

The man tells a vivid tale of a horrific face appearing from behind a wall, a face he wishes never to see outside of a dream.

His companion then gets up and stands exactly where he did in the man's dream. The two men venture outside to the wall in the man's dream.

If you want to know the rest watch Mulholland Falls, Lynch tells it much better than I do.

Fine film from a fine director.

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This was a pleasant surprise.

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Lynch is among the top ten list of my all time favorite directors. What makes him greater than many others is the cinematography that he has able to achieve with the dreamy sequences.
Twin peaks is one magnum opus . I have been following his stuff and loved every bit of it leaving what he did in inland empire.

I loved his shorts. I think Mullholand drive is one great movie with all the creepy music by agelio badalamanti .
I simply love his style and the way he shows it in his movies.
I just loved the shot of a gangster drinking coffee and spitting it on the handkerchief this is how you make a strong antagonist. And frank booth of blue velvet was another hardcore masochistic antagonist. another scene i recall from the twin peaks was a dancing dwarf in a red background ... loved it ...




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I've not seen one film by David Lynch that I didn't enjoy (I'm not saying I understood them all, but it's all good when something sticks in your mind for so long after viewing).

Eraserhead still remains as one of the most disturbing films I've ever seen. Can't put my finger on why exactly- I think it's everything, the feel, the tone, THAT soundtrack, but mostly the bloody lady in the radiator. I lost nights of sleep when I first saw this as a teenager.


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Brilliant vid Michel, happy new year fella.

Right, I'm off to the airport. Have a good one folks. Back on soon.

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I've only seen Mulholland Drive, and it was AMAZING. I'm in the process of trying to find his other films, and be watched, and amazed.

Don't really have much else to say about Lynch, but just that if you haven't seen his films, CHECK ONE OUT. It's very original, and it will mess with your head, in a good way.

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Just saw Mulholland Drive for the first time. I think it was way better than Dune which was ruined by terrible acting. I can't really compare it to Eraserhead as I had mixed feelings about both.

I loved the noir feel of Mulholland Drive. The scenes with the Cowboy and Silencio were really cool and out there although I have no idea what happened at Silencio. Some of the imagery like the miniature people, the blue box, the studio head and the man from the nightmare were also really creepy. The lead actresses were solid and while the director seemed like a big time creeper, he won me over by smashing the gangsters' car and pouring paint on his cheating wife' jewelry.

That said, there were times when the acting and dialogue just didn't seem... right. At times, both felt awkward and unrealistic but in a way that felt intentional. Are all of Lynch's films like this? Also, I thought the whole "switch-aroo" was semi-obnoxious. They made it extremely obvious that all the character names had been switched around and the stuff with the blue key was equally in your face. It felt amateurish, frankly, and reading up on the history of the film, it seems like the weird ending could just be the result of switching from TV to film. In any case, it feels like Lynch has no idea what this movie's about himself.

That said, if you can get past the idea of actors playing multiple characters, there's a perfectly logical explanation for everything that happens. That's my interpretation anyway. Seeing as Lynch wanted people to come up with their own, I'll go with the logical as any other would seem like the result of Lynch being a lazy bastard and just throwing a hodgepodge of nonsense out there for people to kill themselves over trying to make sense of.



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Just saw Mulholland Drive for the first time. I think it was way better than Dune which was ruined by terrible acting. I can't really compare it to Eraserhead as I had mixed feelings about both.

I loved the noir feel of Mulholland Drive. The scenes with the Cowboy and Silencio were really cool and out there although I have no idea what happened at Silencio. Some of the imagery like the miniature people, the blue box, the studio head and the man from the nightmare were also really creepy. The lead actresses were solid and while the director seemed like a big time creeper, he won me over by smashing the gangsters' car and pouring paint on his cheating wife' jewelry.



What is sticking with me, James, is that for you, when the "bad guy" got his just reward, you were won over.

Now I'm thinking about the "Thief" movie.

Everyone in this show is bad. The whole bunch.

Now, as writers, we have a dilemma. Who of this terrible group are we going to attempt to generate sympathy for?

I've seen several comments and I get the impression that they "hate" many of the characters.

I see that as a good thing, but how do we work with that?

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Sandra,

I know it's difficult and that you have many bees making honey in your head at this moment in time but please try to keep threads limited to their topic.

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Sandra,

I know it's difficult and that you have many bees making honey in your head at this moment in time but please try to keep threads limited to their topic.

Thanks,

Michael


I apologize. I'm going to work on being more quiet this year.

I need to get serious and retreat for awhile.

I'll be active this month while I'm in "Cruise Mode", but then I'll disappear for awhile and give the mods a rest. Bert will most certainly be glad I'm gone.  

I'll be online regularly for the next month, but after that, if you want to contact me, it's:

Haileevale@gmail.com

Don't use the hotmail because I don't check it that often. Gmail is my main account.

I do reads for people I've been in close contact with. I also do reads if they're urgent.

We have a year before us my friends.

Make it a good one!

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Great news for Lynchheads everywhere...

http://www.theguardian.com/fil.....en-fire-walk-with-me

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"This is a snakeskin jacket. it's a representation if my individuality and my belief in personal freedom." Something like that.

Never get sick of Wild at Heart.
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No doubt most of you will have heard by now. But just in case you haven't -

http://youtu.be/nNHsA4WIFvc

As DL said himslelf - that gum you like is coming back into style.

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Quoted from rendevous
No doubt most of you will have heard by now. But just in case you haven't -

http://youtu.be/nNHsA4WIFvc

As DL said himslelf - that gum you like is coming back into style.

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One of the best scenes ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62P6Gm9jpE
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For those like me who are extremely pleased Dave has stopped messing about making albums and running clubs in Paris...

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-.....bi-agent-dale-cooper

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For those like me who are extremely pleased Dave has stopped messing about making albums and running clubs in Paris...

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-.....bi-agent-dale-cooper

R


- As delighted as I am that Lynch is revisiting the Black Lodge and all the weird and wonderful characters who reside there, I would rather he was working on a new feature.

Oh and by the way, I think his albums are great, here's to him making more of those too.

Bloody RV and his stuffy, entrenched music tastes. "No guitars? Not interested, mate."


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I'm re-watching the original series in preparation for the new series, it's still great!

Would love to see more feature work too, but TV will have to do for now.


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I liked the original story in Twin Peaks, that ran to what... about episode 8 or 9? After they finished the original storyline, which was obviously rushed, the whole show took a turn for the worse. It got silly, unfocused and stupid. Became unwatchable for me.

Fire walk with me had it's moments, but I wasn't a fan of that as well.

I look forward to this though. But wish, Lynch would make a feature.
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I'm not on Twitter. Which is probably just as well for everyone. But David Lynch is.

"Dear Twitter Friends, the rumours are not what they seem ..... It is!!! Happening again. #TwinPeaks returns on @SHO_Network,""

So Lynch is back on with Twin Peaks. I hope he stays this time.

Now, I'm off to have some pie and coffee.

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