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leitskev
Posted: August 27th, 2011, 9:56am Report to Moderator
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I agree with James.
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Hogwash of the highest calibre re: my supposed conception of self. If you don't want me to 'snicker', don't post such nonsense.

Who was talking about colour?

Funnily enough, I'm not as arrogant to effectively say: 'black people like my type more than yours'. A staggering statement, it really is. Stereotyping is dangerous, but attempting to homogenise 'black people' actually makes me feel uncomfortable. There is no such homogenous group, irrespective of colour.

Look. Your views are your own and that's fair enough. I disagree with them but acknowledge some of the merits i.e. closing tax loopholes. We disagree on the subsequent prescription from such actions i.e. a flat tax rate but that's where compromise and pragmatism (which I mentioned previously) enters. A flat rate is not fair. It's perplexing that hard work is seen by you as the preserve of the 'super rich'. How incredibly self-serving of me to want to reinvest in our poor at the expense of tax cash. You suggest that raw figures paid justify lower taxes for the rich. Why? If I pay 20% of 20,000 and you pay 20% of 52,000,000, who's worse off? Who works harder? Whose children have the better opportunities? An under investment in the poor freezes social structure and perpetuates unfairness. How incredibly self-serving of me to want to close the gap. All figures confirm an increasing gap and your much vaunted lower tax rates have coincided with an exacerbation of relative poverty.

I posed you questions as you'd said I was pissing about, so I got serious and asked you questions that challenged what you'd laid out. The answers were not satisfactory and that was that. It appears to have been simmering for you since.

Big Government i.e. the Left is fully to blame (aside from a cursory mention of Republicans) in your eyes. And yet you have the sheer gall to suggest an inflexibility on my part. A huge logic gap exists in that argument which you appear incapable of acknowledging. You should also reevaluate your view of my as an American liberal. I'm a British Labour supporter. A different animal. Read about the Labour Party and then read about who I consider a great leader: Clement Attlee.

You parrot Fox News and Tea Party talking points exactly (big government, entitlement programs, liberal/leftie bashing, socialism, etc etc) so the natural conclusion is that you've simply watched too much of that debased nonsense. There are two glaring problems with your supposed historical knowledge:

1) You PM'd me and raked on about the problems in Northern Ireland as if you knew the history. You didn't and I called you on it.  Inconveniently for you, I'm well versed on the situation being half Irish.

2) Your absurd views on Islam. The very mention of this earlier prompted protestations of childish namecalling. You have continued to ignore my mention as you know it's a view to be mocked by the masses. Why won't you stand up and acknowledge publicly that you think Islam is evil? That is weak, friend.

You say you agree with James and yet that directly contradicts much of your previous musings.


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You say you agree with James and yet that directly contradicts much of your previous musings.


Jesus fucking christ. This thread blows from front to back. It shouldn't even be on these boards. Andrew, you're a pompous ass who would rather discuss politics then write a script worthy of the paper I spin off my toilet paper roll. I tried to read EMD, it was front loaded with politics I didn't know or cared about.

You can tell the assholes on the board when they use their own face as an avatar. Stop combing your hair with an egg beater.

Yeah, I'm a drunk. But, that's all you or anyone else on these boards has against me.

James



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Quoted from jwent6688

You can tell the assholes on the board when they use their own face as an avatar.




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Posted: August 27th, 2011, 8:27pm Report to Moderator
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Ha! Sorry Pia. Obviously not a well thought out argument....


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Posted: August 27th, 2011, 9:23pm Report to Moderator
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Andrew, I suggest we end the conversation because you're playing out of bounds and spewing inaccuracies. Let's say for argument's sake we had a PM conversation that went even remotely like you suggest, which it did not. Don't you understand the concept of private message? What part about private is confusing to you?

There would be no way for me to defend against things you claim I said in private messages. You could make up whatever you want. And I don't doubt you will.

This thread is not about Islam. You wish to keep dragging it in because your arguments related to the thread topic were nonsensical. You were defeated on the merits, so you had to reach around for whatever personal attack you could come up with. Very childish. You must be a little disappointed in yourself.

Are things Ok with you? Are you going through a personal crisis of some sort? There has to be some explanation for this behavior. I don't want to make light of it. I hope things get better. I'll give you the last word so we can end this. Hopefully you can avoid the temptation to fiction.
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There's a reason why religion and politics are usually avoided around here. Sure there's the chat board where you can talk about whatever you want, but...those two subjects never seem to improve anything as far as SS forums go. I've been here for years, sad I know, and I've seen too many people leave or get banned due to either of these subjects. Religieon and politics tend to get people very emotional. It also tends to divide people. Agree with this side or that one.

This place is for screenwriters. Why even have discussions like that? Lets work together and try to help each other write better and improve our scripts. Why try to divide us? There are plenty of forums out there if you want to discuss politics or religion. Just my $.02.  


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James, I usually refrain from personal insults of this ilk, but wow, you're an asshole. First class. Oh, and I recall you posting an avatar of yourself - perhaps it's best you took it down and kept it down. You know what I mean. I've taken a load of insults the last couple of days and haven't got sensitive, so let's hope you can do that as well. Why would I care what someone like you thinks of me.

Kevin, if you want to lie and attempt to gain the high ground, then so be it. But we both know you're lying. It's come to you trying to suggest I have problems. Another belly laugh. I'm just disappointed you're incapable of a decent discussion. Any sensible person reading the whole exchange will know who's lost the plot. This erroneous suggestion that I don't read scripts is belied by much evidence to the contrary.

I agree with Pia, my fellow avatar asshole.


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leitskev
Posted: August 28th, 2011, 8:19am Report to Moderator
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Trying to give you the last word, but hard to leave it when you call me a liar. You live in a world of your own making, Andrew, hopefully that helps you in the profession of screen writing.

Incapable of decent discussion? Look at the history of your posts, outside of the political arguments.

1) you copy my quotes into your posts, then snicker instead of making any kind of a point. Does that seem mature? Does it seem like someone winning the argument?
2) yesterday, in another thread, because I merely made the point that Jeff gives a very thorough read, you suggested that my post be deleted! Look it up. Yes, you really did that. That's why I worry about you.
3) yesterday you allude to some conversation we had in private a long time ago, which I barely remember. Who posts things from private conversations in a public forum? Regardless of whether you think you scored some point in that discussion, that you would make a private discussion public is a warning to anyone out there about speaking to you in private.
4) why you would you want to keep shrilly screaming things about my thoughts on Islam in this thread? It's never been remotely part of the discussion. We're talking about economic issues. If you're winning the argument, why would you need to do that?

But I fully agree with Pia. Let's go back to scripts. Send me one you're working on, if you want, you know I'll give it an honest opinion and try to be constructive. I wish you well, your pilot script has potential, I'd be happy to look at the latest version.
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Perhaps the reason a fledging friendship has descended into a bitch fight is that there's a transatlantic interpretation problem. I never suggested your post should be deleted - I said the underlying point was bollocks i.e. Jeff is some kind of script doyen. He's not a bad guy but is simply incapable of being challenged or played rough with, which is ironic when you consider his posting history. But as I said to him, as soon as I hit logout, Jeff doesn't appear in my head again until I hit login. Why would he!

I'm not a sensitive person. Perhaps I should factor in you guys are seemingly sensitive. There's just a bit of a double standard whereby it's ok to hit me hard with the words but if I play equally hard I'm upsetting people or embarrassing myself, or worse, I'm having an implied breakdown. There's a huge gap between that perception and who I am. Find me on any of the big social networks and that fallacy can be put to bed.

Like I said, I'm not trying to win an argument - never have been. Have you seen me throw my toys out of the pram? No, I've taken a lot of sh*t and just accepted it - again, it's just odd that when I reciprocate, it's all my fault. Apparently I'm: an asshole who's a shit writer with crap hair; a rat; care for the poor to make myself feel better - and that's just off the top of my head! Call me the names by all means but don't be surprised to see me fight my corner. Point is that nobody is innocent here.

The views on Islam are important because they tie in with a general outlook on the world that's held by your Tea Party. Whilst I'm happy to accept views on their own merits, it's necessary to delve deeper and not just appraise on the surface alone. As you know yourself, a university education encourages to scratch deeper - this isnt petty points scoring on a conpletely irrelevant thread that means nothing. The view you hold on economics is generally held in conjunction with the views you stated on Islam. It's plausible to argue that's stereotyping, but you tick both boxes and that was the point. It's not a case of trying to embarrass you; you want to disentangle the views but they're inextricably linked.  

Yourself, Jeff and James have all had reads from me in the past. Jeff accused me of reviewing out of spite, which was disappointing as I call it as I see it, so I won't bother wasting my time again. But I'm happy to read your work and appreciate the offer. No new draft yet as I'm very busy with other stuff, but please feel free to send over stuff.


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And there you have it.  Last word offered by Kev, and accepted by Andrew -- with only a modicum of intervening commentary.

I know both of you to be reasonable, intelligent sorts; both well capable of moving on from this point.

Under different circumstances you two would probably get on quite well.

I think all would agree that this thread has certainly run its course -- and is yet another example of why I like to stick to screenwriting on these forums.

The old cliche about politics and religion did not invent itself...


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