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You know, I support most every writer here including you Phil,
If all you are going to do is focus on Jeff and continue making demeaning remarks, you may as well remove your previous threads accusing him of making demeaning remarks.
The whole "I hate Jeff" thing is well understood and doesn’t need to be ground any further into the ground.
Or are you simply calling him out in hope of getting him banned?
There's a popular bandwagon on this site that's been an issue for some time, and it has to do with finding new and quicker ways of cutting someone's work to shreds.
This is nothing more than a reflection of the writer's own insecurities and need to display their so called "superiority" over the other members. It's the same three or four jokers that have been lurking and trolling around this site for years.
There's a way of letting a writer know the areas of their script that needs work, and then there's the point where you're only amusing yourself and desperately trying to amuse your peers. It's a joke, and a tired joke at that.
Some have the nerve to suggest that this is simply "constructive criticism" and then when you're called on your questionable behavior you try to argue about it with more or less the same ugly sarcasm.
If this post upsets you, then you know you're guilty. STOP IT!
It does make sense. If I say x,y,z on your script, that's what you take from it. You can ditch it if you want, but it's still output that you are receiving. Else, you need to be more clear on this point.
You can learn from reviewing whether the writer responds or not.
I completely agree - in fact I think you can learn more from reviewing than from being reviewed - but surely this is the point for absent people? If the writer does not review, then he does not learn, and then there is an imbalance, as only one party is reviewing. If both parties review, then there is learning on both sides, and a fair balance.
Some writers may post a script just to hook up with filmmakers.
I don't really care for this - there are loads of websites that you can post on just to link up with people - anyone posting here should know that feedback is emphasized - if not, then they should take time out to figure the site first. Otherwise - what's wrong with circalit or the like?
You can review it if you want but getting upset when the writer doesn’t respond makes no sense. If it bothers you that much, you can just quit reviewing the scripts of people you don’t know or those you don’t think contribute.
It doesn't upset me. Not in the least. To be honest (if you'd allow) I just think you're using emotive language here. Far from being upset, I simply think that people should make a contribution. There are other web-sites. Nobdy makes people post here, but it's a great site for immediate feedback.
This isn't the only site I'm on - like most people here - one of the main benefits - immediate feedback - whether people like it or not. They can post elsewhere if they don't need the immediacy, or if they just want the script to be available.
I think there’s a difference between harsh reviews and ones that are just cruel. You can be harsh without being mean. Honesty is often used as a shield when the true goal is cruelty. People who claim their cruel (not harsh, cruel) criticisms are just being honest are in many ways the least honest people of all. They’re just being mean. Honesty is just their excuse for it.
Secondly, there’s no reason to get upset if a writer doesn’t come around. Readers need to get over any sense of entitlement. What members get out of this community is entirely up to them.
Yes, you need to be able to take criticism. But it’s generally not true that you’ll be ripped to shreds in this industry. If your writing isn’t good enough, you’ll just be ignored.
Contrary to what some would have you think, the feedback you get in the industry (if you’re lucky enough to get some) is actually quite positive. The people in Hollywood that I’ve met have been for the most part really nice. Very busy but polite. They don’t just trash you the way a lot of inexperienced people might think. My experiences have been surprisingly positive.
And people in Hollywood generally appreciate a good attitude. They really do. Attitude is important. It’s one of the most important assets you can possess.
Most of these arrogant know-it-alls have written very little. Most have never worked on a production and have no idea how movies are really made. Their ideology is more pet peeve based than from any practical experience. They have poor attitudes and negative views of the industry in general. They hurl insults in the guise of help and hide behind the banner of honesty when they’re called out. If that’s the help you’re looking for, it’s all yours.
So, yeah, a horse may be lead to water, but if the cowboy is planning to drown him, he’s not really doing the horse any favors.
I honestly like the honest feedback some people give but can understand why some newbie’s like me would find it difficult to take or find it offensive. You never like to hear your work sucks especially if you worked long and hard on it but sometimes you need that brutality to help you develop.
I think all the different opinions and attitudes on SS is what makes it different, if we were all robots saying and sounding exactly the same, it would be very boring and unproductive IMO
I’m not one for personal attacks but I don’t mind a bit of banter if it is light hearted and not mean spirited. I’m certainly not one for calling an author names for no good reason and as for people who leave scripts and don’t comment. I just try not to comment on their scripts now which suits me fine but I think it’s a shame because some of the scripts aren’t bad but why waste the time if they can’t even be bothered to even thank the person leaving feedback. It’s just politeness IMO, all it takes is a simple “thank you” for looking at my script. Just my thoughts anyway.
What has always amazed me as a newbie is how many replies the crappier scripts (not to be harsh) get over the better ones, and I’m even guilty of that myself. Guess it’s easier to be negative sometimes.
Steve
P.S R.I.P Whitney Houston, just found out she has died while writing this, she was only 48, damn shame!
Not sure what the question is, but there's never a need for outright trashing a pre-pro's script.
I think you've got to adapt to whom you're talking to...if it's an experienced writer, or someone you know well theres's more leeway, but if they're relatively new you should encourage them or stay quiet.
I just try not to comment on their scripts now which suits me fine but I think it’s a shame because some of the scripts aren’t bad but why waste the time if they can’t even be bothered to even thank the person leaving feedback. It’s just politeness IMO, all it takes is a simple “thank you” for looking at my script. Just my thoughts anyway.
Many people may not realise there is a forum where people discuss their scripts or if they do they might not be familiar with responding on forums. They aren't submitting them to the forum, they are submitting them to the web site. There can be many reasons they don't respond that have nothing to do with politeness.
I, honestly, do not have any issue with harsh reviews. However, I don't and will not ever tolerate insulting remarks about the author. You don't know who these authors are and you don't have any "right" to make assumptions about their character. You can tear their script apart as much as you like, hopefully constructively, but leave the author out of it.
Please, work on your grammar and sentence structure. If you're still in 2nd Grade, ask your teacher for some help after school. There's just no excuse for this, IMO.
If all you are going to do is focus on Jeff and continue making demeaning remarks, you may as well remove your previous threads accusing him of making demeaning remarks.
Apples and oranges, here. Through my constructive criticism, I'm trying to get Jeff to stop posting hate-filled comments on everyone, especially the new guys, like Kamil. Saying comments like I'd rather eat a homeless man's shit than finish reading your script. doesn't help anyone.
And I know he never used these words, exactly; it is his style of constructive criticism, though.
Do we tolerate the outright trashing of scripts?
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