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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 9:04pm Report to Moderator
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Pia, you've obviously missed my point here.

You can overlook anything you want, but why you or anyone would, is beyond me.

Read the script as it's written.

I like Felipe's script as well, so in no way am I putting it down, but c'mon now.
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mcornetto
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 9:17pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Dreamscale

You can overlook anything you want, but why you or anyone would, is beyond me.


Because when you read a script for production, you often have something in mind about what you are looking for. You read a script for what appeals to you and potential.  You often care less about what's written and more about what you see it becoming when you read it.

The only time you care about how it's written is when you are entering a contest - particularly those that are peer driven.    
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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 9:26pm Report to Moderator
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Because when you read a script for production, you often have something in mind about what you are looking for. You read a script for what appeals to you and potential.  You often care less about what's written and more about what you see it becoming when you read it.    


And this is exactly why the vast majority of movies suck ass.  Producers or the powers that be, who are not writers (or at least good writers), make shit scripts into shit movies, based on what they want or see.

It's funny, because peeps continuously say similar things - don't worry about this, don't worry about that...it will be taken care of in production.  Well, you know what?  It doesn't get taken care of at any time and this is why movies mostly suck, don't make any sense, don't have any attention to detail.

These all powerful omnipotent Gods of all that is Holy and cinematic grab something based on a concept, but don't pay attention (or realize) to the plot holes and horrendous story telling going on and we get...well...you know what we get...why go into anymore detail.

This is actually a discussion that should be on a different thread.
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mcornetto
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 9:41pm Report to Moderator
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I missed the first post when I split this.   Here it is


Quoted from Dreamscale

A great example is Felipe's OWC, Now Lie In It.  I think I may have been the only one to bring up that his main character was buttass naked the entire script, because Felipe forgot to mention that he put clothes on.  The casual reader just assumed he must have clothes on now because it wouldn't make much sense for him to be parading around nude the entire time...but...you can't do that.  You need to read the script as it's written.


Quoted from Grandma Bear

Jeff, that is such a minor technicality that it doesn't even matter. It is clear to the reader that his nudeness has nothing to do with the story!

Since I was looking at these scripts as possible stories to produce, I can tell you that I totally overlooked his nakedness due to it having noting to do with the story. I liked his story for the story. NOT his state of undress!  

Cheers!!
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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 9:41pm Report to Moderator
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Ah, nicely done, Cornie...a new thread.

Well done.  It's a good discussion that I'm sure peeps will chime in on...or at least I think they will.  We'll see.
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mcornetto
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 9:48pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Dreamscale


And this is exactly why the vast majority of movies suck ass.  Producers or the powers that be, who are not writers (or at least good writers), make shit scripts into shit movies, based on what they want or see.

It's funny, because peeps continuously say similar things - don't worry about this, don't worry about that...it will be taken care of in production.  Well, you know what?  It doesn't get taken care of at any time and this is why movies mostly suck, don't make any sense, don't have any attention to detail.

These all powerful omnipotent Gods of all that is Holy and cinematic grab something based on a concept, but don't pay attention (or realize) to the plot holes and horrendous story telling going on and we get...well...you know what we get...why go into anymore detail.

This is actually a discussion that should be on a different thread.


Hollywood movies are a business decision.  There's going to be a lot of marketing involved and the script is going to get changed beyond recognition.   They aren't going to care about how the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed because they are after the concept and they know the script is going to be rewritten umpteen times before they make it anyway.

However when talking about independent movies - it's a labour of love.  There's feelings involved in picking a script - it's not a black and white sort of thing.  Nobody is going to produce a script they aren't in love with - even if it is a perfect script.   Sometimes the scripts that have issues you need to work on, scripts you can mold into your perfection, are the ones that move you the most.    

So no matter how you slice it - how well you've written the script isn't going to count for production (only for contests).
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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 10:02pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from mcornetto
Nobody is going to produce a script they aren't in love with - even if it is a perfect script.   Sometimes the scripts that have issues you need to work on, scripts you can mold into your perfection, are the ones that move you the most.    

So no matter how you slice it - how well you've written the script isn't going to count for production (only for contests).


Mold into "your perfection""  Exactly my point again.  Who are these peeps who think their perfection is better than what the writer slaved over for months?  Doesn't make any sense to me at all.  Actually, it pisses me off to no end, but you guys already know that.

So, I guess what you're actually saying here is that these Producers a=or whoever the fuck they are, don't really need a good writer at all.  All they're really looking for is a shell that they'll turn into the crap that they want to make, and again, this is why we get what we get in the cineplexes around the country.

You don't see what I'm saying?  Not at all?  Or are you just saying, "Hey asswipe, it's the way it is, do deal with it"?

I won't deal with it.  I'll continue to buck the system and I'll continue to believe...in a better way.

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Grandma Bear
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Quoted from Dreamscale


Mold into "your perfection""  Exactly my point again.  Who are these peeps who think their perfection is better than what the writer slaved over for months?
Jeff, why do you think someone would want to devote their time (a year or more) passion and money on something just to please the writer? In order to do the best they can, they will do it to their vision...  



Quoted from Dreamscale
So, I guess what you're actually saying here is that these Producers a=or whoever the fuck they are, don't really need a good writer at all.  All they're really looking for is a shell that they'll turn into the crap that they want to make, and again, this is why we get what we get in the cineplexes around the country.
Are you saying people that are willing to devote their time (one year +) and money to your story need to follow the writer's vision at all cost?


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I won't deal with it.  I'll continue to buck the system and I'll continue to believe...in a better way.

No one will deal with you, Jeff, if that's your attitude.

Love you, but you are wrong...


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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 11:40pm Report to Moderator
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Pia, I assume and hope that we're talking about 2 completely different kinds of productions and movies here.


The time a Producer spends on a movie has nothing to do with what scripts get turned into productions and how they do or don't differ from what the original writer wrote, or envisioned.

And why are you acting like these Producers are the one spending all the time?  Like they're spending moire time than the other peeps involved in the production?  More time than the writer spent conceiving and writing the script?  WTF are you talking about?

Actually, I think I know what you're talking about and you're talking about ultra low or no budget dreck, and if that's the case, we're coming from 2 completely different places.
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Jeff...I don't think I can reach you...


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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 11:51pm Report to Moderator
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Pia, now it's clear you completely have missed my point, as this has absolutely nothing to do with me or any of my precious scripts. Absolutely nothing.  Not sure how or why you even think this.

Go back and read my original comments.
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Quoted from Grandma Bear
Jeff...I don't think I can reach you...




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Dreamscale
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 11:55pm Report to Moderator
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Pia, "you" don't need to reach "me", because again, this has nothing to do with you or me.   What don't you understand about that very simple to understand statement?

Seriously?  What?
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mcornetto
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 11:59pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Dreamscale

The time a Producer spends on a movie has nothing to do with what scripts get turned into productions and how they do or don't differ from what the original writer wrote, or envisioned.


Read "Adventures In The Screen Trade" by William Goldman  and you will find out how untrue that is.   The producer is the first and last person associated with a film.  The producer picks the writer and gives notes on a script long before a director is on board.
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