Today, one of our friends waiting in line for over an hour and then they told her that her poll place had changed. So she had to drive to another place and wait in line for another 30 minutes.

At one location here, someone had taped up ballots that were bubbled in. It was a copy of Corrine Brown's ballot with opinions. It said "Corrine's Picks". They were taped up in EVERY voting booth until my friend brought it to one of the poll watcher's attention. Whoever put them up HAD to be involved there(working).

Corrine Brown is a US Rep for Florida's 3rd congressional district.

Just saying. Some dirty shit going down around here....at least in Florida.

Regardless how things turn out, let's hope it doesn't comes down to hanging chads...



Btw, my whole family voted here in gainesville FL, they were all in and out of there in just a few minutes.

That's unbelievable, Dena. Or actually, way too believable. Those kind of games are going on in cities all over, like Philly. Machine politics.

bert, you know how I view your intellectual bona fides - and thus your proclivity to believing in nonsensical conspiracies.

Lot of people checking in their excuses early on both sides.

Yep, the Bush 'stolen election' is interesting, but Rs would contest JFK '60. These things happen.

At the end of the day, I believe in Obama's vision and know Romney's math does not add up. Your far right there have accused me right here of essentially being anti-American because I disagree with their intellectually bereft arguments. The reality is that I'm massively pro-American and often pour water over Europeans who try to pigeonhole Americans as this or that.

It's going to be an interesting night, but Obama is the only sensible choice. IMO.

This is my 1st election as a US citizen and there's only one winner for me:

Virgil Goode.... Oh Yes President Virgil for me....What's his vision for America???? I don't know... But he's called Virgil and that works for me.

Mark

I voted for some guy named JEFF BUSH.

Can we change the title of this thread...just in case some voter keeps thinking the vote is tomorrow!  

Welcome aboard, Mark. Glad to have you here in the US.

Quoted from Leitskev Welcome aboard, Mark. Glad to have you here in the US.

Thanks Leitskev... glad to be here

Mark

Clearly, no one should draw any broad conclusions. However the election goes, it was razor thin. Hurricane Sandy had an enormous effect, as did other factors, including the heavy and early investment in negative campaigning.

But I have long said, the right strategy is not to focus on elections. What's important for those that oppose the radical progressive agenda is to win the battle of ideas, and that's something that has to be waged all the time and with a long term strategy.

And it's uphill. The media and entertainment industry are overwhelmingly liberal and increasingly pro-active. The progressive agenda is also instilled at the school system level.

And the ideas of progressives can be seductively simple: helping people is good, so we should have government programs to do it. When one is young and has not experienced the complexities of the world, those ideas seem self evident. It takes a certain level of sophistication to see through them. That's why people tend to become more conservative as they leave youth behind.

There's a lot at stake. Mankind lived under the idea of strong government for millennia. Only in the age of enlightenment and reason did mankind develop the notions of individual freedom that enabled the majority of people to escape a hard scrabble and opportunity-less existence. But we persist in wanting to surrender these freedoms under the idea that government will make things better for us. Thus we have things like regulation and redistribution as the primary shapers of our policy.

So the battle goes on. The beauty of the American system is there is balance. That limits the damage that can be done. Our best hope now, as a country, may be Bill Clinton. Perhaps he can be a restraining influence on Obama, since Hillary will want to run in 2016.

In any case, time to write scripts!

Quoted from RayW Larger than a breadbox and smaller than a house, how does a President "create" jobs?

It's not the President's job to create jobs. It's his job to put policies in place to allow job creators to do their jobs.

Exactly. A strong economy will create jobs. Harassing small businesses will not. We're in for something I hoped I'd never see again: the 1970s.

Congratulations, President Obama!

Four more years indeed. America will look back in 2016 and wonder how it was even close. A booming economy awaits to finish off the discrediting of economically illiterate trickle-downers and bizzarro ideologues who want war w/ Iran.

The insignificant gurgling of the far right cannot detract from the mission to go forward. What a great day for America and the world today is.

Wonder how Dick Morris' landslide is coming along...

But serious congratulations for Romney's campaign - he ran very close against a man destined to go down in history for all the right reasons.

Quoted from Andrew Obama has the shown himself to be sensible and IMO, the stuff you mentioned there re: full-time/part-time is nothing more than talking points. It's not reality, mate. IMO!

I hadn't actually seen this before, but I do, now.

Well, you being across the pond wouldn't directly understand what's going on here but it's quite simple... and not just a talking point, because I have no political affiliation. I watch from the middle as both are basically destroying themselves and, in the end, us. The country as we know it.

But, to reply to what you said, it's easy. Any business with more than 50 employees is required to offer health insurance, according to the Affordable Care Act (P.S. Who makes it affordable? Tax payers. So, if you have a tax payer who has health insurance, you're now going to be paying others' as well).

So, you have Business X who has 50 employees. They offer mandatory health insurance for full-time workers or face a $2,000 penalty for every offense (if I understand the thing correctly). What's to stop them from adding 50 employees (creating 50 new jobs, which is where many of Obama's created jobs came from) and setting all 100 of their employees' hours to 20/week? I mean, he's got the work covered, the time covered and they're saving themselves all that money while people pick up 2 or 3 part-time jobs without health insurance, which, in turn, drives down the median household income and pushes us further and further down the path we're embarking on. The more people who don't have insurance, the more people we're going to be paying for. The more the insurance holder's have to pay, the less money they're going to have and the vicious cycle gets to the point where it all collapses.

Seems like a big problem to me.

Dude. Take a look at the rest of the world and its provision of health care for its citizens. Your argument, with all respect, is completely illogical. Don't mean to be rude, but if you're really asking those questions about hours seriously, you need to research this thing more. You're coming at this from a blinkered view. One of Dick Morris' and Karl Rove's "independents".

I'm sure plenty of Presidents down the line will tweak and improve Obamacare, but it's here to stay and millions of uninsured Americans woth pre-exisiting conditions can breathe a huge sigh of relief.

But this is not a night for debate - it's a night to celebrate, and for America to heal.