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ABennettWriter
Posted: November 7th, 2012, 1:33pm Report to Moderator
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I'm curious to know where you're getting your info from about full time jobs becoming rare. Maybe that study just hasn't reached my desktop yet, but this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Are you spouting Fox News fearmongering or do you have a link to at least one nonbias, fact checked article? I'm guessing not.

And its the GOP that's in the way of everything. The House of Reps make it impossible for him to get anything done. You have your own party to blame for everything that you bitch about. It's not the Democrats. It's not Obama. It's you, sinking your own ship.

And this "war on women" is real. The Democrats didn't make it up. With comments from Akin (Good bye!) and the crazy religious right, woman's rights were threatened. Many states have lost funding for Planned Parenthood, which is the only way for most women to receive the help they need. It's a proven fact that women don't make as much as men. What do you say about that?

As a gay man (surprise!), I fully embraced Obama and proudly voted for him again. Marriage equality is happening, whether the Republicans and GOP want it to. By the time Obama is out of office, I believe that both DOMA and Prop 8 will be overturned and I'll be able to marry my boyfriend. You can either accept the reality or look like those racists fools who didn't believe in segregation and interracial marriage.
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And that doesn't look like someone who's about to leave her husband!
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And this "war on women" is real.


Without trying to be partisan -- just funny -- the sound-bite of the election (for me) goes to Al Sharpton.

"It's not about Obama, it about yo' mama!"

Me and the kid -- a huge fan of mama jokes -- almost fell off the couch.


Hey, it's my tiny, little IMDb!
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I'm curious to know where you're getting your info from about full time jobs becoming rare.

You guys might find some useful data here:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm
http://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm#hours

Also, before I link you this next bit, headzup on a pet peeve of mine regarding "seasonally adjusted" data.
So called "seasonally adjusted" data takes into account discrepancies between differences in the number of days month to month as well as holidays that may adversely or perversely distort data.
Fine.
This is great for slow people that like all their reality wrinkles ironed out flat so that they can make nice month-to-month data comps.
Problem is is that we pay for things in non-seasonally adjusted paychecks/dollars.
So, when it comes to employment (useful to people who are concerned with how much money is available to be spent) and unemployment (useful for... I dunno, people who like to b!tch, I guess*) ACTUAL numbers are more practical than FABRICATED numbers.

When referencing EMployment always try to use ACTUAL employment, not seasonally adjusted numbers.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CEU0000000001
Be sure to click on the "include graph" button then the blue-circle "go"

*Unemployed people typically don't have normal paychecks coming in that will eventually go towards a sustainable economy, so I tend to not care about that data for stock market/EPS purposes.



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Posted: November 7th, 2012, 2:34pm Report to Moderator
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I'm curious to know where you're getting your info from about full time jobs becoming rare. Maybe that study just hasn't reached my desktop yet, but this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Are you spouting Fox News fearmongering or do you have a link to at least one nonbias, fact checked article? I'm guessing not.


Wow, you're not biased either, are you? Whew, I mean, I can just sense the balanced point of view you're carrying around your neck, AB. Besides, what I'm talking about is for the future. You can't do a study for something like this. Potential name-calling aside, I don't watch Fox and I don't have a political affilation. What I am is a person who knows that when a business can do something to save themselves money, they'll do it. You, being the obvious liberal you are, would probably send that money away to Oxfam or Amnesty International because you guys hate when people make money. Sucks when people boil you down to a stereotype, doesn't it?

Point is, I'll sit back and watch it slowly take over within the next 15-20 years, give or take, and not be the least bit surprised when it does.


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I was kind of hoping all this political stuff would go away today.  The election is over. Go do the best you can with the result.

...It was nice to see a normal FB today.


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If you're that certain about the demise of our future, and you are fairly certain of yourself, how about you run for office. That's the only way to change the political spectrum, is to work from the inside. You sitting behind your monitor won't change a damn thing. While you sit and moan, there are people trying to fix it. People like Warren and Baldwin, and of course, President Obama.

I work somewhere between 40-60 hours per week. I have a full time job AND a part time job. My part time job has hired at least 20 people for the holiday season and we'll probably be hiring more. My full time job is looking to hire one more guy but only one person has applied and she was grossly underqualified.

I'm a 100% social liberal but I'm also for small government. I actually like paying taxes, but I want to control what I pay for. I'm against this stupid war. I'm pro-choice, pro-same sex marriage. I think weapons should be regulated better. Frankly, I'd feel better if no one was allowed to carry weapons. The Second Amendment is outdated and needs to be tossed.

I think it's inaccurate to put a big fat OBAMA'S FAULT on every bad thing that's happening. Our politicians have to work together in order to get anything done. The Blame Game doesn't help anyone. Bush fucked shit up in 8 years and it's going to take at least 8 to fix.
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I was kind of hoping all this political stuff would go away today.  The election is over. Go do the best you can with the result.

...It was nice to see a normal FB today.


Sorry, Pia. I wanted to let it go but I had to respond properly. I promise today is the last day for me, though (unless somebody sends a retort to me tomorrow).


Quoted from ABennettWriter
If you're that certain about the demise of our future, and you are fairly certain of yourself, how about you run for office. That's the only way to change the political spectrum, is to work from the inside. You sitting behind your monitor won't change a damn thing. While you sit and moan, there are people trying to fix it. People like Warren and Baldwin, and of course, President Obama.


I considered it once. I honestly did. Then, I realized that I'm a political or law major, I have no money, no contacts and I can't be bought. You can't make it to the level where you can begin to make a difference (the Federal level; HOR, Senate, President or state Governor) without being bought and paid for. That's not me.

That said, you named 3 people who will NEVER vote against their own party. People who won't vote for the good of the country but for the good of their party. The Republicans have plenty of them as well, and we're losing all our moderates (You mentioned Warren, I bring up Scott Brown who was a moderate in Massachusetts).


Quoted from ABennettWriter
I work somewhere between 40-60 hours per week. I have a full time job AND a part time job. My part time job has hired at least 20 people for the holiday season and we'll probably be hiring more. My full time job is looking to hire one more guy but only one person has applied and she was grossly underqualified.


I'd say congratulations, but I don't understand what that had to do with what I said. I mean, if you're just saying it to say it, I wholeheartedly say good for you. Keep it up. =)


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I'm a 100% social liberal but I'm also for small government. I actually like paying taxes, but I want to control what I pay for. I'm against this stupid war. I'm pro-choice, pro-same sex marriage. I think weapons should be regulated better. Frankly, I'd feel better if no one was allowed to carry weapons. The Second Amendment is outdated and needs to be tossed.


I'm not a social liberal, but I side with the Democrats on social issues more than Republicans but not on all things. I'm also pro-choice, I'm pro medical marijuana (in the sense that I'm not against it), I'm pro same-sex marriage (see medical marijuana), but I'm also pro-guns (all kinds). pro-death penalty and I'm a big believer in welfare being good on paper but, once again, when it's put into practice (among many things these days), it's becoming a monster that can't be fed.


Quoted from ABennettWriter
I think it's inaccurate to put a big fat OBAMA'S FAULT on every bad thing that's happening. Our politicians have to work together in order to get anything done. The Blame Game doesn't help anyone. Bush fucked shit up in 8 years and it's going to take at least 8 to fix.


I'm fairly certain I didn't say this was Obama's fault. Virtually every problem in this country was put into practice before he was in office. Federal Reserve, taking us off the gold standard, welfare, stealing from Social Security, the Iraq-Afghanistan Wars, Dodd-Frank, Planned Obsolescence. NAFTA, the 14th Amendment (when applied to illegal immigrants), I could really go on and on. We have allowed our politicians to do everything they could to fuck this country up, one way or the other. But, as you like to pretend, nothng at all went wrong during any other presidency. It's all Bush's fault, right?


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Posted: November 7th, 2012, 6:31pm Report to Moderator
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I have to wonder how Obama would've fared if Sandy didn't show up when she did.  People saw the president perform during a disaster and he got a lot of praise from Governor Christie who carries a lot of weight (pardon the pun) in the political ring.  To make matters worse for Romney, Christie turned his back on him for a photo shoot, favoring the president.

While I was never party loyal, I never voted for a Democrat for president until 2008.  I lost interst in the Republican party when Caine made that vaccuum tube, Sarah Palin, his running mate.  He had not problem in keeping the war running another ten years while she saw Russia from her house.

With Romney and Ryan, I felt that their religious views would only hurt those who didn't share them.  And that's a lot of people!  And their stance (as well as other GOP knuckleheads) on women's rights offended a lot of people as well.

Oh, and Colin Powell endorsed Obama.  The only thing I could say when I heard this was Wow!

The Republican party is scrambling to see who they have to run in four years.  They'll need someone who is more middle of the road.  Governor Christie would be a good choice; as much as he offends people with his blunt, shoot-from-the-hip attitude, people love his blunt, shoot-from-the-hip attitude.  Joel Lieberman would've been a nice choice, despite the fact he's a former democrat.


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Posted: November 7th, 2012, 6:42pm Report to Moderator
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Don't know much about Governor Christie...but there's no way a fattie like that is going to be President of the United States of America.
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President Taft weighed 300 pounds or more.  I don't think Christie is up there yet.  He's close, but not quite there.






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Yeah, but that was pre-media days and you could get away with it in those nice old suits and with a gentleman's moustache.

We'll see...I awlays reckon you can pick the winner on who looks more Presidential.

It was like when Dubya was up against that skeletor looking fella. Skeletor had no chance, no matter what he said.
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President Taft weighed 300 pounds or more.  I don't think Christie is up there yet.  He's close, but not quite there.


Phil


True, Taft and Grover Cleveland were some hefty dudes.  But I think a president's physical image means a lot more now.  And IMO Chris Christie looks like he's hell and gone past 300lbs.  Closing in on 350, I'd say.

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I was kind of hoping all this political stuff would go away today.  The election is over. Go do the best you can with the result.  


I completely agree.


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ABSteel, you are a strange fellow. It would probably surprise you that I agree with you on most of the issues. But you're kind of a spouter. You come on here all revved up spouting things out in an breathless outburst. Settle down, listen to my positions, and decide if I am the ogre you suppose.

You want me to give "info" to back up my predictions? They are predictions. How can there be info on them yet? I don't have a time machine. These predictions may come true or not. Unfortunately my web browser does not let me search articles from 2016.

You do understand that the Democrats controlled the house until 2012? You do understand that though the Senate is required by statute to submit a budget they have not done so for several years. And the President's budget received 0 votes in the Dem controlled Senate the last few years. So what's this about obstruction? The Democrats seem to obstruct him every bit as much as the Republicans. That's because there's a dirty secret they know: Americans oppose Democrat policies generally, even though they elect Democrats.

And what is it you want the House to do? Sign off on another 700 trillion dollar stimulus?

I am pro choice. I have no problem with gay marriage, though I think it should be a state issue and not the business of the federal government. The President claimed to be against gay marriage until this summer when Biden's blunder forced his hand. Talk about flip flopping!

When did the war on women start? What legislation have Republicans proposed that declares war on women? The Republican Party platform has been against abortion since Roe passed. It ain't knew. And nothing has ever happened. Romney used to be pro choice. He flipped for political expediency...just as Obama flipped on gay marriage! It certainly has not been a policy objective of his to ban abortion. I live in the state he was governor. Pro life people have more reason to be suspicious of Romney than do pro choice.

The problem with Planned Parenthood is that it has become radicalized, advocating and encouraging abortions, including third trimester ones. Pretty soon they'll be paying for people to be able to kill babies that are a week old. That's an exaggeration, but not as crazy as it sounds. The overwhelming majority of the country is against some of the things Planned Parenthood advocates. Many conservatives would rather see those policies moderated. Which is what happens to a degree when Republicans are in power.

Again, I am pro choice. If I thought these rights were seriously threatened it might change my vote.

I honestly and sincerely hope you can soon marry your boyfriend. I am a libertarian. You should be free to live your life. I wish you nothing but happiness and I'[m sorry to the extent it's been prevented.

I don't agree with the entire Republican party platform. It's not racist in any way, but it is pro-life, and takes a traditional view of family. But the effect of those stances is basically benign. Roe is not going to be overturned, it's established law. The only way it would would be by constitutional amendment, and even though most Americans are pro-life(look it up), that amendment will never happen. And society is slowly but steadily accepting gay marriage.

Lastly, I don't consider my predictions fearmongering: 2% growth, 6.5% unemployment, persistent inflation. When I was growing up, I saw that. We called it the 70s. You should have heard the music! And the hair!

The worst thing about the 70s was this: no sense of hope. No sense that things would ever get better. As a historian I can tell you that that's never before happened in American history, except in the 1930s. So it's happened before. And I see something similar happening again. Brought on by more or less the same policies. But that's hardly fearmongering, considering this is 2012, the year of the apocalypse!

ABsteel, disagree with me, that's fine! Make your own predictions. But please don't make the mistake of assuming that conservatives, or libertarians(more accurate here) are mindless robots plugged into Fox News. We were here long before Fox. Most liberals just don't know it, because they won't have anything to do with those of other viewpoints. I hope you are not that way.

If you still think I am an ogre, well, ok. I offer you friendship and wish you the best. Cheers!


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