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AnthonyCawood
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Yep another one of my scripts, Above the Fog, has been filmed and posted on Youtube without my permission ;-(

At least this time the film-maker has done a better job than the previous three!

I've posted a comment and am awaiting a response from her... if you'd like to see it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7g74G4G5Oo

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You should report this to YouTube and get it pulled.  She didn't even put your name on the film.  

That fact that there is advertising on the page mean that someone is making money from this, so if she says, "This is a school project for educational purposes only!" Show her the ads. If someone is making money, it isn't for educational purposes.

And, based on the film itself, since you are not credited, this is also plagiarism.  

So, she needs to at the very least update the film with your creds, otherwise, someone googling her name may find Natalie Souza - Plagiarist and Thief as one of the results...

P.S. Please ask her where she found it.

P.P.S. I do not recommend going in gun blazing, but rather assume she didn't know any better and education her on using work found on the internet and what is 'fair use' and why, with the placement on You Tube, this isn't considered fair use.





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Do they not teach opening credits anymore?

Looks like she's added a little nod to you in the blurb.  It's the afterthought that counts...   

Good on you for tracking these down.  What really strikes me is they never seem to change the title...


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Cameron
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Anthony, have you written a script that hasn't been made yet?? With this strike rate you're probably the most produced writer on this site, albeit it's all illegal and you ain't seen a sodding penny...
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Don - agree with all your points, and suspect that she's a student who doesn't understand, or who hasn't been taught, copyright and think it's fair use.

The issue that is also created by uploading it to Youtube is that it effects my ability to sell the rights to the script - who's gonna want to buy it if it's already up online?

Will keep you posted.

Steve, all four of them credited me on the Youtube page, it's how I found them... which is why I think they've got some warped interpretation of fair use in their heads.

Cammy, too funny, and yes a ton of ones not made yet and now I have 3 different type of 'finished' films/scripts
1) Legitimately made and finished - 6 shorts so far.
2) Legitimately made and stuck in post-production (potentially permanently) - 7 so far.
3) Made and uploaded to Youtube without my consent - 4 so far.

And then there's a bunch of sales/options...

I guess I should be flattered people want to make them


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And the video has now been removed, but no response from the film maker ;-(


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And the video has now been removed, but no response from the film maker ;-(


Anthony,

Here in American we can still see the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7g74G4G5Oo


I've sent her a message via YouTube and will forward you her email address under separate cover.

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Thanks Don - i'm getting video not available ;-(

Will contact her tomorrow.

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Plays fine for me...

Feeling flattered is okay, only if you feel the script was only so so. If it's something you feel you might have been able to option or sell, then it's definitely not okay!

The student I gave permission to film Two Psychos as a school project only and not to be shown anywhere else is now listed on imdb... Well, the guy that bought it and wanted exclusivity is not going to be happy when he sees the imdb thing! He has big plans for his film!In other words, even when you give someone limited permission, you still have to keep after them.

As far as the advert goes, there is actually a big problem at YT where third party people search for newly listed films and then reports the film to YT and reports it for copyright infringement. Usually on music or sounds and then the issue is "resolved" by YT letting ads appear during the film. The third party collects the money not the filmmaker. This is easily taken care of by contacting YT, but it's apparently a rampant problem. Learned this when Dena posted our pumpkin horror on YT...

Hope this gets resolved soon.  


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You should start putting disclaimers on the cover page of all your scripts.
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Cameron
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Jebus, that's some hit list right there Anthony! At least you've it all the other productions/options to fall back on but it's not really the point.

Clearly your scripts are good enough to get produced, but have you any idea why the thieving keeps happening to yourself, is there something going on beyond the obvious quality of work? Does a film lecturer somewhere have you under observation, just for their students?? Any pattern between the videos that have been posted?

It really is a pain in the proverbials
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Pia/Don - not sure what happened last night but I can now see the film again ;-(

Don - thanks for the email ad, I've emailed her, see what she says.

Pia - The flattered line was just a joke, I find it incredibly frustrating to see this continually happening ;-( and I feel for you with yours, IMDB is just as bad as appearing on YT - maybe we should stop saying yes to students? (though that feels harsh for those who ask and do it properly).

Gregory - cover sheet of my scripts show a Copyright date, I don't have a disclaimer as I've been told they look amateurish in the past, but Don has a disclaimer on the site, I have similar on my own site etc... I think the issue is what is being taught to students about 'fair use'. ;-(

Cammy - tx, be nice to see some more actually see light of day (legit ones of course)   
In terms of patterns, well they've been made by people in US and Australia and they always seem to pick the Drama's (which isn't my 'standard' genre) other than that no pattern. I did once get a rush of requests (5 I think) from students from one particular school, they were looking to use a short to work out production budgets and had found mine because it was near top of page on SS... I said yes to them all as they weren't filming anything and they all asked for permission first - obviously their tutor taught them properly!  


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Anthony,

Go to: https://www.youtube.com/copyright_complaint_form and submit the request.  Regardless if you and the student come to an agreement, the video needs to come down until you reach and agreement and your name is added to the work itself.  A note in the comment doesn't help if the video is uploaded elsewhere.

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All too familiar with that form ;-(  tx Don.


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Update...

I reported it to Youtube, who have since come back to me asking me for more details, in essence they want additional evidence that I have a copyright claim.

I'm a bit surprised by this as:-
a) They didn't ask for it last time I report an infringement.
b) It clearly says on the page that she's used my script.

Anyway, have sent them additional evidence, but until they review it the film stays up - updates to follow as and when.


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