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Go to China and tell their population (which is 4x more than the US) how to think/act/spend their money/populate their neighborhoods. See how far you get there.
First off, I have no idea what your point is about China or why I should go there. I mean, I've been there (as well as Laos, also communist) but I wasn't inclined to tell their population anything or see where that would get me. That makes no sense.
But while you're telling us about the ills of China, maybe you should direct your lecture to Trump. He's borrowed hundreds of millions from banks in China, outsourced his clothing brand manufacturing there, and screwed over US steel workers when he built the Trump Int'l Tower in Chicago with imported steel from China. Just sayin'.
Great title, and exactly the sort of thing I seek out trying to make sense of all this.
But the article is just more blah-liberal-blah-racist-blah-policially-correct-blah-blah. There is nothing in there about the real policies that pulled her to Trump. Nothing of substance, anyway. Frankly, I doubt it was even written by a woman. It doesn't "sound" or "feel" like a woman to me. Is that a sexist thing to say? I hope not. I feel like I don't know anything anymore.
Sessions is probably the nomination that bugs you, but you might want to read both sides of that.
I have read a bit, and I have the same problem I always have these days. For every damning article I find, there is another article that is completely benign.
I have no idea yet how I will ever learn to navigate this post-truth word.
Bannon is a way bigger problem to me than Sessions, quite frankly. And I like Bannon even less as "Exhibit A" for my post-truth dilemma.
But being pro-life does not make one misogynist. The majority of women in this country are pro-life(though those polls change). In any case, it's close to an even split. Being pro-life means you think abortion is murder.
Having questions about Muslim immigration is a common sense reaction to a problem which has been growing. The only thing that prevents one from asking the question whether all cultures can adjust to the western way of understanding human rights is ideology. When you listen to Trump discuss this issue, he sounds like most people...torn. On the one hand he wants to not discriminate on the basis of religion, and he feels empathy for refugees. But on the other hand there are hard...real...questions about integration. And when innocents are being slaughtered, those questions are more than academic.
Stop and frisk was used to great success to reduce murders within the black community.
On the abortion issue, all I'm saying is that the Supreme Court ruled under Roe v. Wade that a woman's right to choose is an inherent right under the Constitution. One can advocate for pro life options, but under the law, pro choice rights are the law of the land, and to advocate that those rights be taken away from women would be a policy that undermines women's rights and would put the U.S. in a category with Nicaragua and El Salvador.
Immigration policies that directly single out the Muslim religion is not a common sense reaction to a problem, but rather a knee jerk reaction born of fear of the unknown. Of course we need to look at who is entering our country, where they are from, and all background information - whether from Syria, Ireland, or Cambodia. "Innocents are being slaughtered"? Over 13,000 people were killed by gun violence in the U.S. in 2015. An immigration policy that targets a religion won't even register with those numbers, especially since some of the terrorist shootings here were done by U.S. born citizens. The problem is more a mental health issue than a religious issue.
Finally, on "stop and frisk" - two points" 1) if the ends are going to justify the means, then the Constitution means nothing, and we're all subject to illegal searches and seizures, as well surveillance; and more important, 2) a 2015 study by the FBI and the Brennan Center for Justice showed no correlation between "stop and frisk" and violent crimes or the murder rate. It's an ineffective policy that's been labeled "unconstitutional" by the federal courts, and for Trump to say it's a good idea is akin to reverting to the pre-civil rights era.
I don't want to paint a picture that we are far apart on the issues. Roe is the law. I believe Trump thinks so too. I'm fairly certain Trump's position on that was as expedient as Obama's position on gay marriage In any case, it's not a matter of misogyny, and to describe it that way smears about half the women in this country, who happen to be against abortion. And when it comes to late term abortion, even more are against it.
Again, immigration is also difficult. Do we not have a right to decide who comes and from where? I don't think it''s a real issue in the US, the numbers are too small. But in Europe, you're talking about nations that will completely lose there western identity in a few decades. Huge swaths of Britain and France and other nations are now more alien than home culture. Maybe there will be integration, but would it be rational to just assume that? I mean the evidence of problems us pretty solid.
The Boston Marathon bombers were not mentally unstable. Neither was San Bernadino or Orlando, or Major Hassan at Fort Hood.
You can argue otherwise, I'm cool with that, but reasonable Americans have questions, and that seems to be Trump's position too.
And on stop and frisk, as I said, I am troubled...and no one is saying ends justify the means. But sometimes the length we go to stretch the means might be justified when whole neighborhoods are ransacked by crime. Whatever the case, it's not a matter of racism. No one is trying to oppress. People are trying to stop the killing, trying to let kids walk to school without getting shot. If that's racism, my god, we are in a weird place.
Bert
You seem to be taking a rational approach. I don't think anyone should expect a liberal to like or support Trump's policies. I'm torn on many of them too. All I think we should ask is that the crazier stuff be toned down. Trump is not Hitler or George Wallace. He's not racist or misogynist, he's struggling with some hard questions.
Oh, the Bannon stuff gets exaggerated too. I mean they call Breitbart antisemitic...it makes no sense, Andre Breitbart was Jewish! Several of their main editors are Jewish!
I don't want to paint a picture that we are far apart on the issues. Roe is the law. I believe Trump thinks so too. I'm fairly certain Trump's position on that was as expedient as Obama's position on gay marriage In any case, it's not a matter of misogyny, and to describe it that way smears about half the women in this country, who happen to be against abortion. And when it comes to late term abortion, even more are against it.
Again, immigration is also difficult. Do we not have a right to decide who comes and from where? I don't think it''s a real issue in the US, the numbers are too small. But in Europe, you're talking about nations that will completely lose there western identity in a few decades. Huge swaths of Britain and France and other nations are now more alien than home culture. Maybe there will be integration, but would it be rational to just assume that? I mean the evidence of problems us pretty solid.
The Boston Marathon bombers were not mentally unstable. Neither was San Bernadino or Orlando, or Major Hassan at Fort Hood.
You can argue otherwise, I'm cool with that, but reasonable Americans have questions, and that seems to be Trump's position too.
And on stop and frisk, as I said, I am troubled...and no one is saying ends justify the means. But sometimes the length we go to stretch the means might be justified when whole neighborhoods are ransacked by crime. Whatever the case, it's not a matter of racism. No one is trying to oppress. People are trying to stop the killing, trying to let kids walk to school without getting shot. If that's racism, my god, we are in a weird place.
Bert
You seem to be taking a rational approach. I don't think anyone should expect a liberal to like or support Trump's policies. I'm torn on many of them too. All I think we should ask is that the crazier stuff be toned down. Trump is not Hitler or George Wallace. He's not racist or misogynist, he's struggling with some hard questions.
Oh, the Bannon stuff gets exaggerated too. I mean they call Breitbart antisemitic...it makes no sense, Andre Breitbart was Jewish! Several of their main editors are Jewish!
I do disagree that Trump believes Roe is law. He said just a week or so ago that women may have to travel to states other than their own if his Supreme Court overturns Roe. That alone doesn't make him a misogynist, but he does make comments about women that I think fairly put him in that category (I'm too tired to repeat all his quotes).
On the rest, we're on different sides of the fence on most, but not too far apart to hear each other.
Finally...Bannon. I haven't mentioned him because I just don't know what to make of him. I doubt I'll ever be a fan, but I'll take my chances with him over Cheney. 6 months from now Bannon may sound like Socrates compared to the rest of them.
The "what the Left thinks" and what "the Liberals" don't understand about Trump voters article links and posts are maddening. There is no "monolithic" Left anymore than there is a monolithic right. That is just pundit crap meant to be create more diverseness then already exists. So, when someone writes an article about what the Left doesn't understand about Trump voters and in doing so paints all in the Left with the same mindset, they are committing the same sin they are railing against. Same with the "the Left thinks the replacement of Pelosi is an anti-feminist campaign. The Left does feel that - one dude did. Many in the Left think Pelosis should go because she is ineffective and out dated - period.
I am part of that wacko Left. But, like many in the Left, I think we need border security. I just think building a wall is a moronic way to accomplish that. I am in favor of the Dream Act, but have no interest in allowing criminals to stay in the Country. I believe in Abortion rights but also believe in parental notification. I (like many Sanders supporters) do not believe that are trade agreements have the best interests of Americans in mind. I am for marriage equality, but believe that the a photographer should have the right not to attend gay weddings. I thought the "Hamilton" protest against Pence was in bad taste and disrespectful (not as much as a Congressman yelling "You Lie" during the State of the Union - but disrespectful nonetheless). The point being, a broad brush to describe either the Left or the Right is counter productive. Our individual views and values are much more complicated and nuanced then the propagandists on both sides of the spectrum would have us believe.
So - to my friends on the right - an insight from one Lefty on our angst. It's not just policy and values. I did not have this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, when Reagan, Bush, etc were elected as - even though they did not share my values and principles, I thought they were sane men of good intent and that their actions and policies - while not mine, would be reasonable.
The sense of uneasiness on my part stems from the feeling that Trump might be dangerous. I do not think he possesses the temperament and self restraint needed to manage crisis and that his actions will always be rooted in self interest. I think he is border line insane.
I will be thrilled if I am wrong about Trump. But my feelings now will not be tempered by an array of articles or posts about how stupid Liberals are - it will be tempered by time and President Trump's actions. I am sincerely wishing him the best.
IMO this is in large part a result of the "everyone gets a medal" culture. It has no political affiliation - it's just how it's been been for the last 20 years. Everyone has to play nice. Plan activities after a Thanksgiving dinner? Trivial Pursuit? How about NFL games on TV until 11:00 PM, 3 cases of beer, and smack cousin Eddie across the face when he mentions the mileage he gets on his Toyota hybrid for the hundredth time. Check.
The everyone gets a medal culture is liberal. No conservative embraces that.
And that culture for, or some flavor of it, has dominated our academic, media and entertainment institutions for several generations now.
Young people have been brainwashed and they don't know that the world is vastly more complicated than the politically correct world which has been forcefed them. But once they mature and see the world how it is, they are not tolerating what they are seeing on the networks and CNN.
Liberals here, including my respected colleague Bert, have referred to this as a white election. It should be noted that the Left is as lily white as can be. Blacks may vote Democrat, but they do not embrace this hard left progressivism preferred by the snowflakes.
The everyone gets a medal culture is liberal. No conservative embraces that.
That's just wrong. It's not a liberal vs. conservative mindset, but a socioeconomic mindset that's primarily prevalent in better economic areas. You generally don't see it in poor inner city areas or in rural areas, but rather in upwardly mobile demographic areas, city and suburban, which are both liberal and conservative. I've had a front row seat to it for years, and I've seen plenty of proud GOP conservative parents that demand their kid get a 13th place medal or lobby the school not cut anyone who tries out for the team. It's not a liberal or conservative thing, it's a self-importance thing.
The "what the Left thinks" and what "the Liberals" don't understand about Trump voters article links and posts are maddening. There is no "monolithic" Left anymore than there is a monolithic right. That is just pundit crap meant to be create more diverseness then already exists. So, when someone writes an article about what the Left doesn't understand about Trump voters and in doing so paints all in the Left with the same mindset, they are committing the same sin they are railing against. Same with the "the Left thinks the replacement of Pelosi is an anti-feminist campaign. The Left does feel that - one dude did. Many in the Left think Pelosis should go because she is ineffective and out dated - period.
I am part of that wacko Left. But, like many in the Left, I think we need border security. I just think building a wall is a moronic way to accomplish that. I am in favor of the Dream Act, but have no interest in allowing criminals to stay in the Country. I believe in Abortion rights but also believe in parental notification. I (like many Sanders supporters) do not believe that are trade agreements have the best interests of Americans in mind. I am for marriage equality, but believe that the a photographer should have the right not to attend gay weddings. I thought the "Hamilton" protest against Pence was in bad taste and disrespectful (not as much as a Congressman yelling "You Lie" during the State of the Union - but disrespectful nonetheless). The point being, a broad brush to describe either the Left or the Right is counter productive. Our individual views and values are much more complicated and nuanced then the propagandists on both sides of the spectrum would have us believe.
So - to my friends on the right - an insight from one Lefty on our angst. It's not just policy and values. I did not have this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, when Reagan, Bush, etc were elected as - even though they did not share my values and principles, I thought they were sane men of good intent and that their actions and policies - while not mine, would be reasonable.
The sense of uneasiness on my part stems from the feeling that Trump might be dangerous. I do not think he possesses the temperament and self restraint needed to manage crisis and that his actions will always be rooted in self interest. I think he is border line insane.
I will be thrilled if I am wrong about Trump. But my feelings now will not be tempered by an array of articles or posts about how stupid Liberals are - it will be tempered by time and President Trump's actions. I am sincerely wishing him the best.
THIS!
It's a strange thing watching political debates, be it in America or in the UK. When people disagree, they attempt to place them into a nicely labelled box. They always have. There's always a 'typical liberal' comment or, 'you right-wing extremists' or 'that's the problem with left-wingers like you...'
And yet in life, you rarely come across anyone who thinks 100% towards a certain political spectrum and rarely do intelligent folk agree with every policy their candidate presents, quite often they even agree with policies and ideas from other sides.
Does labeling someone help dehumanize them or belittle their opinion? Does it make it easier to cast aside their point, as they are not seen as a person but an opposing side to crush?
Personally I do think this is part of an outdated human survival instinct about picking sides. Back in 'Ye Olde Days' you needed to be on the winning side to survive. If you picked the wrong side, you were dead, so when you picked a side, you did everything in your power to help make sure it won.
Fast forward a few thousand years and we still have that instinct. It forms part of everything we do. We pick sides over sport, music, politics, movies, TV Shows, family disputes, neighborhood arguments, country squabbles; everything. It happened in the UK with Brexit and is still going on. People are still defending their chosen side beyond all common sense and logic. 'My side has to win, it has to otherwise, I won't survive" screams their survival instinct.
And it's happened with the Trump, Clinton and Berni three way split.
Sorry, I've gone completely off on a tangent. I do apologize, I just find this picking side instinct theory of mine quite fascinating. It is quite interesting to see it in action...even if I do seem like a loony.
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