"Your assertion was factually incorrect"

No. I explained no. Bush going to Texas was not the equivalent of Obama going to Martha's Vineyard. When you take a vacation, do you go home?

The ranch in Crawford was set up like Camp David, to accommodate government functions. Quite a few world leaders met Bush there, including Putin. When Bush was in Crawford, the government was moved there. Yes, one can say that wherever the executive goes the government technically still goes on, but there is a difference between a vacation to the beaches and tourist attractions of Martha's Vineyard and Bush's ranch in Texas.

So it was not "factually incorrect"...except in the liberal fact check world.

Quoted from leitskev I would begin by asking you to imagine the state of affairs without Fox.

For the majority of the country, they couldn't imagine it because they don't watch it, not even out of curiosity, and it's as if it doesn't even exist. The right likely feels the same way about the Huffpost. If it went away, it wouldn't change an issue or a vote, because alternatives will always exist via technology.

Anymore, I find myself watching the BBC World News more than CNN or the networks.

Unrelated, Trump just announced that his "news conference" scheduled for Thurs this week to disclose his business plan for avoiding conflicts of interest has been scratched. Instead, he'll let the country know his plan via an "announcement" in January (no date given). Guessing he'll let the country know his plan in a tweet...."My children will run the Trump business empire. I can't. Very unfair. Sad."

Quoted Text No. I explained no. Bush going to Texas was not the equivalent of Obama going to Martha's Vineyard. When you take a vacation, do you go home?

Yes, of course! If I work in a city that is not my home.

Quoted Text The ranch in Crawford was set up like Camp David, to accommodate government functions. Quite a few world leaders met Bush there, including Putin. When Bush was in Crawford, the government was moved there. Yes, one can say that wherever the executive goes the government technically still goes on, but there is a difference between a vacation to the beaches and tourist attractions of Martha's Vineyard and Bush's ranch in Texas.

This is inane. Just Google Bush at Crawford Ranch and you'll find thousands of pictures of him doing things that have nothing do with his office. The fact that he spent a boatload of money to enable him to also conduct business there has nothing to do with whether or not he took a vacation. There is literally no difference between Obama's vacation to Martha's vineyard and Bush's to Crawford. Both men had the responsibility and the capability of doing the functions of there office while they were at those locations and both did and BOTH played when they were at those locations. You think that somehow Crawford Texas was somehow a strategic place for White-house functions??? If you want to argue that a vacation day doesn't count as long as the President has the ability to perform the functions of the office then no President has taken a vacation day. Finally - your assertion was this:

Quoted Text Obama golfed and vacationed more than any President by far...yawn.

Of our recent Presidents, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, LBJ, Eisenhower all had more vacation days than Obama. In my view, so did Bush Jr. because I don't buy the Crawford is a Texas White house paradigm. So yeah, it was factually incorrect.

"There is literally no difference between Obama's vacation to Martha's vineyard and Bush's to Crawford."

I explained the difference. Did Obama entertain heads of state on Martha's Vineyard? It's actually ridiculous to compare the two. It's the media that calls his trips there vacation. Does Bush?

If Bush does not call it "vacation", but the media does, that makes it "fact"?

And of course Bush did recreational things while there...just as Obama golfs while living in Washington.

Absurd.

But my whole point remains untouched. The media employs a double standard on every issue. Including the commentary on vacations, gold, leisure time.

1) Your statement - Obama took more vacations than any other President is incorrect. Please address that or just admit it was inaccurate.

2. Yes - you explained the Bush vacations and my view, poorly. Do your really think it was cost effective, strategic or wise to have heads of state visit Crawford friggin Texas??? Really? Maybe we just went through all of that expense in his 77 trips there (at a cost of $124 million) because he wanted to be on vacation. I do not begrudge him that. But if Obama had done the same thing in Hawaii - or Chicago - do you really think you would be saying - oh, well he had heads of State there visit him on the beach so it was money well spent. No, you wouldn't. You would rail against him for wasting tax payer dollars on things that could be done in D.C. just so he could be on vacation.

Yes - NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC made more of the Bush vacations then the Obama ones. Of course, if you listened to FOX you would have thought that Obama was the only President who took vacation.

Again - my point is simply this. You make a good assessment and point about the reaction of certain media outlets view of identical events conducted by a Democrat versus a Republican. I think you are right there. However, you undermine your credibility when you turn around and do the exact thing you accuse them of. With bias, vilify the other side - e.g., "Obama spent more days on vacation.....". That's all.

Oh Lordy, I was hoping this thread would just go away!  

Quoted from Bogey For the majority of the country, they couldn't imagine it because they don't watch it, not even out of curiosity, and it's as if it doesn't even exist.

I think Fox has been #1 in cable news for years and years.

I went to BK today because I was in a big hurry and because they have veggie burgers.    On their TV in the dining room was Fox news...

Just an observation. I have no interest in discussing this further.

You're simply wrong, Dave, and to call it a "fact" troubles me. Trump's wife and son are not going to DC because the son is in school. If Trump spends the week in New York, doing government business, is that vacation?

If Bush did not call those trips to Crawfard vacations, why does the liberal media get to call it that? Why do you?

Quoted from Grandma Bear I think Fox has been #1 in cable news for years and years.

#1 in "cable news" still makes it viewed by a minority of Americans. According to the Pew Research Center, 99% of Americans (about 300 million), never watch Fox News.
5 million viewers is a huge night for them.

Quoted from leitskev If Bush did not call those trips to Crawfard vacations, why does the liberal media get to call it that? Why do you?

If one is to accept this bizarre argument, the obvious corollary is: why do you get to say that "Obama golfed and vacationed more than any President by far"? What is that based on?

Quoted from Grandma Bear Oh Lordy, I was hoping this thread would just go away!   I think Fox has been #1 in cable news for years and years. I went to BK today because I was in a big hurry and because they have veggie burgers.    On their TV in the dining room was Fox news... Just an observation. I have no interest in discussing this further.

Been trying to avoid this thread myself, but this is easily one of the most outrageous comments I've read lately. Sorry, Pia. I'm roping you back into this one whether you like it or not.

So...

...those BK veggie burgers tasty or what?

Quoted from leitskev You're simply wrong, Dave, and to call it a "fact" troubles me. Trump's wife and son are not going to DC because the son is in school. If Trump spends the week in New York, doing government business, is that vacation? If Bush did not call those trips to Crawfard vacations, why does the liberal media get to call it that? Why do you?

I am not quite sure you are understanding my point. I will try one last time.

1. I concurred with you that certain media outlets - in particular the three major networks lean left and as a result put a more friendly spin on Democratic President's actions than Republicans one. I probably do not agree with you in terms of the degree and I have no evidence to back it up - but that is my perception while watching the news.

2. Your statement about Obama's vacations was factually incorrect - by a long shot. I am guessing that you heard it on some media outlet that puts a negative spin on all things left. By citing it as a fact and then defending it as true when it is clearly not - ironically undermines the
valid point you are making in # 1 above.