http://www.cbsnews.com/news/co.....ntial-election-2016/

Excellent article.

It's remarkable to see him win the election. A guy who brags about his right to grab women by the p**** whenever he likes is now going to be the most powerful man on the planet. God help us...

I'd like to add something else: I watched on CNN as they interviewed voters in Pennsylvania yesterday who voted for Trump. These were regular people. None of them said anything racist. What they mentioned most was exploding healthcare costs.

Look, I'm not going to trash Obamacare. It achieves some things. I'll be neutral here whether it's a good system.

But it was built on lies, and outside of Fox News, the media refused to challenge those lies.

It was called "Affordable" healthcare. It was said people could keep their plans.

None of this true...or even logical. The plan was to provide coverage to tens of millions of people who don't have it. That's good...but the idea that this would LOWER health costs is ridiculous. Obama said it would lower costs by 2500 per household.

Yes, I underatand the thinking was that by forcing young people to buy insurance, the pool would increase, thereby bringing costs down. But did this really seem likely? Especially given that the health insurance mandated was extremely expensive.

Yet the media refused to challenge any of this. The average person coming home from work after a long day and turning on the network news didn't have time to dig into it on their own. They have to trust the news! And the news didn't question any of this. It didn't tell the working man what might happen if the President's words turned out to be false.

Meanwhile, conservatives were saying that once the plan was fully implemented, which would take several years, health costs would skyrocket and the whole system would crash, which is what we're seeing now. That's what many workers in these states are realizing too.

And they feel they've been hustled.

Again.

And while they work long hours, they DO know what party hustled them.

And not just the party. But the entire culture on which that party floats, the elites which include the news media. All of these people betrayed the working classes. As usual.

Trump may not have a solution. Just as he may not with the jobs bleeding out of the country. Meanwhile the elite get wealthy on a stock market floated by free government money. Eight out of ten of the richest counties in the United States are Democrat strongholds. These are the elites. They are liberal. They are doing quite well under Obama.

No one else is.

And Tuesday was the result of that,

What do you prefer? A broken health insurance system which could be fixed or a racist as president who wants to deport latinos and black people, build a wall around mexico, questions NATO, and makes scaring statements about nuclear weapon usage?

Quoted from Equinox What do you prefer? A broken health insurance system which could be fixed or a racist as president who wants to deport latinos and black people, build a wall around mexico, questions NATO, and makes scaring statements about nuclear weapon usage?

I'll take the latter, gladly.

Trump just says things like normal peeps do...except everything he says and has said, is recorded.

He's not a bad guy or a bad person.  He knows what needs to be done and he's going to see to it that it happens.

Stop all the madness and worry.  Trump will be good for the entire world.

Trump wants to deport black people?

This is the problem with generic liberalism. It's all one porridge of the same stuff. This ism or that ism. This is what the country is rejecting.

I didn't support Trump. I think much of what he says is stupid.

A voted for him though. Lesser of two repulsive "evils",

The Clinton Machine is dangerous. And that machine can no longer be separated from the mainstream media culture. Wkileaks shows they're all on the same team, not that one should need those leaks to understand it.

Much of the country is suffering. The media won't report it. It's flyover country to them. Stupid white people. The elites reserve their racism for the white working class, which they describe in a way that they would find offensive it was applied to people of color.

This election was not about embracing Trump. It's a rejection of the elite liberal class lording it over everyone else while their stock portfolios grow.

I've spent my adult life in the Group Health Insurance World.

There are many, many things flat out wrong with ObamaCare, but most peeps don't really get it, and never will.

Trump will pull this as soon as he legally can, and whatever he pouts in place, will be better.

Everyone bad talks the Insurance Companies and blames all our Medical issues on them...but they're actually not to blame.  Sure, the Big Boys, CEO's, and the like make alot of coin, but don't think Insurance Companies, MGU's, TPA's, and the like are all swimming in cash....because they're not, and many are struggling and down right tanking.

If you work for a company, blame your company for whatever your Medical costs are, as they make the decision what to offer you.

If you're unhappy with a charge for Medical care or a prescription drug, don't blame your Insurance Carrier, blame the lawyers who are constantly suing Dr.s, hospitals, medical centers, and drug manufactures.  And understand the insanely high cost of medical research and medical manufacturing.

Finally, understand what insurance really is, where it came from, and why it works.

Quoted from Dreamscale Trump just says things like normal peeps do...except everything he says and has said, is recorded.

The same could be said of Archie Bunker, but I wouldn't want him as my President. I hold the President to a higher standard than "normal".

And by the way, the garbage he's spewed about women, Mexicans, the disabled, John McCain's service record, and the purple heart medal may at some level be normal for a 15-year-old, but it's not normal among adults where I come from or where I've been.

Bogey most people that voted for Trump are also offended by things he says. But they considered the alternative to be worse. Obama's policies have made life worse for people, and Clinton is the modern poster girl for corruption.

Quoted from leitskev Bogey most people that voted for Trump are also offended by things he says. But they considered the alternative to be worse. Obama's policies have made life worse for people, and Clinton is the modern poster girl for corruption.

Agreed!

I personally, have not been "offended" by any of his remarks, but i do find many of them to be very foolish, immature, or downright stupid.

Quoted from leitskev Clinton is the modern poster girl for corruption.

I'm not naive with respect to Hillary. She's no virgin when it comes to the straight and narrow. But Trump's record of fraud, bankruptcies, hidden and blind trusts, secret business deals, undisclosed tax returns, phony charities, and tax dodging all dwarf Hillary's record of "corruption". Personally, I think the GOP overstates that part of her public record, but she does open the door for them to do it.

How's this: I agree with both Jeff and  Bogey on this.

And I'm not drinking!

Yes, Jeff, I had more of a problem with his ignorance than his offensiveness. I really don't think Trump is racist, except in the most oversensitive definition of the word. And not only does he not wish to "oppress" women, he sees himself as someone progressive on that, as he never held women back in his companies. Is he insensitive when it comes to attractive women he has a non-professional interest in? No doubt. But no worse than Bill Clinton or JFK or RFK.

I agree with Bogey that Trump is likely corrupt as well.

But there's a rather BIG difference: Trump has never held office. Has never worked for the government. He's BUYING influence, not SELLING it.

Hillary didn't just make a few convenient bucks. She and Bill made over 250 million...all built on selling influence! Think about those numbers. And the Clinton Foundation, which took in over 2 billion, is a slush fund for the Clinton Machine, though of course it does do some charity. Hey,  Capone ran soup kitchens.

And they didn't just make ungodly amounts of money selling her political influence. They made it off shady foreign countries and businessmen. They made it off deals that jeopardized national security. This is a pattern that went all the way back the Clinton White House when the Chinese were bundling them money through monks and technology was being transferred. These people are traitors and had to be stopped.

Most of the Presidents, whatever side, have been essentially good men. Obama, the Bushes, Reagan, Carter, Ford...these were decent men who loved their country.

The Clintons are in it for themselves, always have been, and there is nothing they won't sell, whether pardons, goldmines in Haiti, or national security.

Personally I wouldn't get on a plane with a pilot who had never flown a plane, or even been to flying school but everyone enjoy you flight, the Trumphoon is coming!

Oh and keep an eye on the national debt and number of jobs.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/employment/us/

Make sure you note down the figures just before Trump takes over, then monitor them over the next four years and see how things pan out.

Just to give you some figures to play with, Bush spent 5.1 trillion between 2001 and 2009. Obama has spent 983 billion between 2009 and 2017, has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median.

If you like those figures, during Bill Clinton's presidency 23 million jobs were added. George Bush only managed 1.3 million, but to be fair to the guy he was plagued by recessions.

Trump has promised to spend big to get the country moving so it will be interesting to see how big and what effect it has. Spending a lot didn't guarantee prosperity and jobs for Bush, will Trump fare any better?

(Source - http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/)

Quoted from leitskev I agree with Bogey that Trump is likely corrupt as well. But there's a rather BIG difference: Trump has never held office. Has never worked for the government. He's BUYING influence, not SELLING it.

I hear what you're saying, but being in the private sector doesn't give you a pass to screw people. I believe the trail of woe left by Trump in his business practices far exceeds those injured by the Clintons.

As for the Clinton Foundation, lets not overlook the millions of people whose lives were saved or made better by their work. It can't be disputed that the Clintons are whores for money. so I won't try. But at least the Clintons put their money to use to do some good in this world. Trump has not, we have no idea where his investments lie around the world, and I think the American people deserved to know who he owes and how much.

From the other side of the pond i think i can fairly say we are both scared, and curious.

personally, I'm not sure a leader who offends most basic laws/principles of modern human decency should be voted in, but i dont understand all your complications, and we only get the 'bad' snippets - mind you they are bad.

i suppose the question is, if your leader can't uphold standards, who does? what does the next candidate think is fine to do and say? What line does he mind crossing?

Mind you we didn't think brexit would happen either - i've had a bad year on the predictions.

2016 is one effing weird year

One last thought as we reach armistice day.  I recently visited the cemeteries of the Somme. Very moving. And just enormous in its depth of  hell. Peace can't always be talked into birth, we saw what that did in the second world war, we do need strong leaders to defend the free worlds rights (forgive the phrase). Lets hope we haven't got a rash one that plays into the hands of a clever Soviet friend.

I hope for the best.

ps - whilst i wouldn't have voted for Trump, i don't agree with the protests - its democracy, and thats the way it goes IMO