Our dental system is a rort and a disgrace, Stevie. It should always have been a part of Medicare. I remember watching some DA rep who said it was a shame it just got left out when they were setting it up. Dental problems can effect the heart and it's obviously the poor and disadvantaged who once again miss out on proper care cause it costs.

No wonder people go O/S to places like Malaysia, Thailand, India for cosmetic dentistry/surgery and implants/braces. Up to 70% off prices in Oz! They have built entire hospitals for Australian/NZers etc. not backyard practitioners either, highly qualified, put you up in a hotel for after care. It's called dental tourism cause you recuperate and a holiday is thrown into the package.  

I'm still reeling that Trump was voted in btw.

Michael Moore picked it. http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

And now he's one of the protesters.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3930864/Michael-Moore-calls-Donald-Trump-step-down.html

You may not be racist or a misogynist, but if you choose or endorse a side that does include, supports and encourage racists and misogyny, you are part of the problem. You can twist words and attempt to justify it anyway you want, this does not change anything.

Looks like Trump may already be changing is stance on key campaign Issues. I think Michael Moore may be right, supporters of Trump may end up very disappointed. Time will tell, always does.  

http://www.independent.ie/worl.....illary-35210715.html

Working people just don't put the same priority on PC language as liberals. Trump has proposed no policies that are racist or misogynist. His misogyny is in the way he treats women in his personal life, but it's not at the policy level. Same as Bill Clinton. His comments on illegals were delivered in a way that sounds racist, but they were really just about behavior with some communities of illegals. I'm not defending those remarks, but let's not make them more than they are. Someone here said he plans to deport blacks. That's the kind of crazy liberal exaggeration I'm talking about. And the connection between Islam and terror is...in reality...a complicated issue. It's fair to ask questions about the problem of that community integrating into western society. Problems with that integration are raging all over Europe. We don't want to discriminate, but allowing ideology to blind us to reality is a kind of suicide. The average Trump voter wants to have no beef with Islam, but they also recognize there are real questions to be asked. Liberals are afraid to ask them.

I think Michael Moore is correct on this. It's also nornal. Obama ran on hard left positions. He governed much closer to the center. He was the ant-war candidate who toppled Kaddafi for no imperative reason(other than Clinton was pushing for it because she thought it would bolster her Presidential bid).

Quoted from leitskev Working people just don't put the same priority on PC language as liberals

Nobody should have a problem with a straight-talking candidate. I'd like to see more of that. But Trump isn't a straight-talker. He's shown us that he's an uninformed blowhard that has no idea what he's talking about on the most basic world topics. He's a guy on a bar stool talking shit after five drinks, except he's sober, and he's saying it to the world on camera. That's not anti-PC, it's stupid and reckless.

In the interest of full disclosure... I voted Remain and would have voted for Stein had I have been a US voter

But a country gets the leader they elect based on the way their electoral system works, at least they do in democracies like the US, Canada, Australia and the UK.

You might not like the outcome, but unfortunately, that's irrelevant, the outcome has been democratically decided upon by your friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens.

So even though I voted to remain, I will defend the decision to exit and hope they get it sorted quickly so we can move along and get on with it. If I were a US citizen I would defend the election and hope he does a decent job in the next 4 years, and be removed after a term if he doesn't.

Just my humble opinion.

If people have jobs, they are generally happy. People with no jobs or jobs that pay minimum wage only make people angry. At work, our biggest customer group is young males. Guys in their 20s. I can see why so many people are angry when you have a 28 year old guy still living at home ordering stuff from us and has to ask his mother to come to the phone and give us her credit card number. Something's wrong there.

I'm no Trump fan at all, but for the sake of all of us, let's hope he does a good job.

Quoted from AnthonyCawood In the interest of full disclosure... I voted Remain and would have voted for Stein had I have been a US voter But a country gets the leader they elect based on the way their electoral system works, at least they do in democracies like the US, Canada, Australia and the UK. You might not like the outcome, but unfortunately, that's irrelevant, the outcome has been democratically decided upon by your friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens. So even though I voted to remain, I will defend the decision to exit and hope they get it sorted quickly so we can move along and get on with it. If I were a US citizen I would defend the election and hope he does a decent job in the next 4 years, and be removed after a term if he doesn't. Just my humble opinion.

I voted for Remain and although I respect that Brexit won by a slight majority, I am of the opinion the people didn't really understand exactly that they were voting for and a lot were protest voting. I hope that Article 50 does go through parliament and we end up with an exit strategy from the EU which is the best possible strategy for the UK and not one that Theresa May and her cohorts bash together unopposed behind closed doors.

If I'd have been in the US I would have voted for Clinton, simply because voting for Stein would have been as effectual as not voting, or voting for the TNA Wrestler 'Broken' Matt Hardy, which thousands of voters did btw.

2.2 million more people voted for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump. Unfortunately, despite what the American people are told about every vote counting, they do not get to vote for a President or Vice President directly. It's a Republic with an Electoral Collage who selects these positions for them - a system first put in place in 1787. I'm not sure they envisioned this system lasting forever without review, but it is what it is.

In the UK, the Leave referendum won with a small majority, less than one percent of voters. Yet the government and Brexit supporters keep on claiming it is therefore the 'will of the people'. Based on that logic, clearly the will of the American people did not want Trump as President.

If a flawed system allows something or someone 'wrong' or corrupt into a position of power, I do not believe everyone should sit idly by and just accept the outcome. A true democracy is one that always challenges it's government and holds it accountable, that's why we have an opposition, to keep the government in check and to make sure they run the country in the best possible way.

With Trump holding the highest position in the land, his party controlling congress and his own children being appointed into key positions, this is looking less and less like a democracy at all. I fully support any efforts in the UK and the US to democratically and legally challenge such results. After all, as Dave Mustane says in the song Peace Sells, 'It's still "We the people!" right?'"

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Quoted from MarkRenshaw 2.2 million more people voted for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump.

Isn't it like 600.000 votes?

I'm not from the US nor do I really care who won this election but I find it funny that in a country like the USA, the biggest force in the world, with a population of 325 million there was a chance where the country could have ended up in a situation where it had husband and wife, a couple, both having turns leading the nation, for possibly a period of 16 years.

And, on the other side, Jeb Bush who was favored to win the Republican nomination at the end of 2015 could have won. So you would have ended up in a position where a father and two of his sons could have all been president and lead the country for 20 years.

Which just goes to show how corrupt the system is and why I voting neither Republican or Demorcat is a waste. It should be done to try and inspire change in a broken system. Not that it would realistically lead to much, but it's a matter of principle if you don't like either candidate.

And, I also think the electoral college isn't a bad idea for a federal republic like the US. In a federal republic it makes more sense than the popular vote. Doesn't California have something like 40 million people and an ever growing population? You have to have a president that will try to address issues that concern the whole territory of the US, in every state, on a federal level. Not one that could have no interest in the problems of smaller states because they have no significance if he gets elected or not.

Plus, let's be real. This isn't about popular vote/college. If Clinton lost the popular vote and won the electoral college none of these people would be complaining. So it's not a matter of principle but one of personal interest. Seeing as if they cared so much about the popular vote, they should have done something about it prior to these or previous elections. It only becomes such a hot topic when there are personal stakes. Al Gore beat Bush in the popular vote in 2000. That was 16 years ago, if most of the country was against it, there would have been a bigger push for it. Now the elections don't go their way, they see it as a straw of hope and cling onto it.

This was the system in place. The elections were fair. The people voted. The guy won based on the rules that were set out. It is what it is. Accept it and hope for the best. Realistically, he'll become president come Jan 20th.

Quoted from Grandma Bear If people have jobs, they are generally happy. People with no jobs or jobs that pay minimum wage only make people angry. At work, our biggest customer group is young males. Guys in their 20s. I can see why so many people are angry when you have a 28 year old guy still living at home ordering stuff from us and has to ask his mother to come to the phone and give us her credit card number. Something's wrong there. I'm no Trump fan at all, but for the sake of all of us, let's hope he does a good job.

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Quoted from Demento if most of the country was against it, there would have been a bigger push for it. Now the elections don't go their way, they see it as a straw of hope and cling onto it.

There's been a movement to eliminate the electoral college for over 10 years. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact Bill has been enacted in 11 states with 165 electoral votes, and it needs to be enacted by states with 105 additional electoral votes to be effective Essentially the Bill says that the participants agree to vote their electoral college votes in favor of whichever candidate wins the national popular vote. It may never happen, but people have been trying.

A proponent of eliminating the electoral college - Donald Trump. He called it a "disaster for democracy" in 2012. In an interview that aired tonight, he was asked if he changed his mind on that, and he said, "No. I'm not going to change my mind just because I won."

Quoted from Bogey There's been a movement to eliminate the electoral college for over 10 years. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact Bill has been enacted in 11 states with 165 electoral votes, and it needs to be enacted by states with 105 additional electoral votes to be effective Essentially the Bill says that the participants agree to vote their electoral college votes in favor of whichever candidate wins the national popular vote. It may never happen, but people have been trying. A proponent of eliminating the electoral college - Donald Trump. He called it a "disaster for democracy" in 2012. In an interview that aired tonight, he was asked if he changed his mind on that, and he said, "No. I'm not going to change my mind just because I won."

I know. I was alluding to the majority of people protesting it and being outraged now. I have many American friends on FB and didn't see anyone raising concern about the electoral college or it being an issue or major concern prior to the election. Nor did I encounter this online. Now that the results didn't come in as they expected, they're making it out as it's some sort of travesty that she won the popular vote by a narrow margin yet lost the election. When everyone knew this could happen and it has happened before. Because that's how the system works. I got the impression that a large majority of the younger voters didn't really understand how their own system works. But, in reality, if she had won the college but lost the popular vote, they'd be fine with it because their candidate won. And the other side would be complaining about the electoral college. It's hypocritical. It's not a matter of principle.

That was the system. A candidate won fairly according to the rules of the system. You can't argue after the fact that the rules weren't correct. It is what it is. If let's say she gets into power somehow magically due to winning the popular vote. Then the other side has a clear argument that they based their campaign according to the way the electoral college works in order to win that way because those were the rules and the election should be void.

It is what it is. No use crying over spilled milk. He'll take over, it would be a major world-wide scandal if he doesn't come into power Jan 20th. People need to accept it, hope for the best and move on with their lives.

My 2 cents.

I think he will come into office in January and I too doubt the complaining about the popular vote will have any impact. After all, it didn't when the same complaints were made when Gore got more popular votes than Bush.

What will be interesting is how long he will stay in power. Will he last the full 4 years or will his party move to replace him with someone more controllable, if they can of course? I found out, thanks to the BBC website, that any court action submitted before he goes into office is viable and he is not immune from prosecution under such circumstances. He has 75 pending cases already, I imagine more will lodge complaints before the 20th of January. Although they are all civil, some could, in theory, turn into legal action if you look into what he's got lined up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37956018

I actually think the only people who are going to benefit in the US from Trump's presidency is his lawyers.

I approve of the electoral college. Always have. Actually, what I approve of is the breakdown by state. Otherwise, candidates would only campaign in the big states.

Predictions for the next few years:

1) the return of the homeless.

Not that they went anywhere. But whenever we have a Democrat President, stories about the homeless disappear. As soon as a Republican returns, like magic, the homeless are everywhere. Or at least stories of them are.

2) the rediscovery of lies:

The last seven years we've seen an administration that can lie in every press conference and not really worry about. Even when the press corp calls them on the lies, they just wink and repeat the lie, knowing it will never be a story that gets purchase.

Trump will not(and should not) have that luxury. Already we see that every word is parsed for truthhood.

3) an obstructionist Congress will be portrayed as valiant and noble

Republicans control both houses. But Democrats can hold up legislation in the senate through filibuster. This obstructionism will be presented to us as heroic. Unlike the Republican Congress that stymied Obama.

4) bombing by drones in random theaters of war will be covered

5) scandals will be covered by more than just Fox News now

6) imploding Obamacare will be finally covered...so Trump can be blamed.

Everything about the way the news is given to us switches with a Republican President. It's like going from black and white TV to color...it's instant. Investigative journalism will even make a come back!

Quoted from MarkRenshaw I think he will come into office in January and I too doubt the complaining about the popular vote will have any impact. After all, it didn't when the same complaints were made when Gore got more popular votes than Bush. What will be interesting is how long he will stay in power. Will he last the full 4 years or will his party move to replace him with someone more controllable, if they can of course? I found out, thanks to the BBC website, that any court action submitted before he goes into office is viable and he is not immune from prosecution under such circumstances. He has 75 pending cases already, I imagine more will lodge complaints before the 20th of January. Although they are all civil, some could, in theory, turn into legal action if you look into what he's got lined up. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37956018 I actually think the only people who are going to benefit in the US from Trump's presidency is his lawyers.

Over the weekend his lawyers filed a motion to delay the Trump University class action fraud trial, currently scheduled for two weeks from today, until after his inauguration. Their motion argues that he's too busy now getting ready to take office. Laughable when you consider that they're implying he'll have more free time after he takes office. Anyway, it stinks of fear that the trial could expose something terrible prior to the electoral college convening on December 19th. I don't think the train will be derailed prior to him taking office, but it could be wobbling heading into the station.