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eldave1
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I had two Agenst request a copy of "The Beginning of The End and The End." The first one wanted a copy of my Save The Cat Beat Sheet before viewing. I don't friggin have one so that was a dead end (thankfully). The second one wanted a copy of the script.  Shortly after sending it I receive this response.
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I read the first 20 pages, David. (Always looking for that GREAT one).

A smart counselor would not awaken her  6 year old niece even is she was scared of a CLATTER. (Don't think any baby sitter would)

I was also waiting for the "conflict"

In this over-crowded market you've gotta hit us with a thump in the first 5 pages. and OH,  she goes to bed with the dude - Aren't we at least privy to a good scene of (perhaps) reluctant - or at least a creative sexual episode.? (Which will allow character exposure?)

PASS FOR US.

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I kindly replied thanks for taking a look. But in my mind I'm like what the fuck??? First a beat sheet request and then these notes.

- The fact that she awoke the kid was supposed to be a comedic moment. An adult looking to a six year old for safety. How did he not get that? Of course it is not rational behavior. That was the fucking point of the scene.

- The fact that she slept with the "dude" despite her inclinations otherwise was "the conflict."

- Really - I need to write a sex scene - like that has anything to do with her character???

And then I had a beer and thought what the fuck am I doing??? I'm 61 years old sending a scripts to folks probably in their 20s looking for the next Seth Rogan vehicle. Makes one want to wad everything up, set in a trash bin and light it on fire and just enjoy retirement.

Sorry for the venting. Just needed a place to let it go.



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Dave, people will say all kinds of crap about a script cause you haven't written it the way they would have written it.
But then they don't write/can't write peanuts themselves and they don't have any ideas of their own to begin with either. It's easy to pick at someone else's opus.

It's the nature of the game unfortunately that you'll scratch your head at outlandish and cockeyed feedback.

This is feedback from Agents?

My short: Scooter - A person contacted me because they loved it! But, could they change the female coming of age character to a male, not have an actual scooter in the script, and could the ages and amount of characters be changed. Huh?   Yeah, um I  could write that and I'm flexible with changes but what part of the script did you actually love?


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Dave, people will say all kinds of crap about a script cause you haven't written it the way they would have written it.
But then they don't write/can't write peanuts themselves and they don't have any ideas of their own to begin with either. It's easy to pick at someone else's opus.

It's the nature of the game unfortunately that you'll scratch your head at outlandish and cockeyed feedback.

This is feedback from Agents?

My short: Scooter - A person contacted me because they loved it! But, could they change the female coming of age character to a male, not have an actual scooter in the script, and could the ages and amount of characters be changed. Huh?   Yeah, um I  could write that and I'm flexible with changes but what part of the script did you actually love?


That's precious.

I had one producer a while back ask if I could out a dog in the story. I asked why? - His response - "well, people like dogs."  Guess they don't like cats.

Thanks for the shout out - have had another beer and now remember that I started this hobby to have fun. Going to keep that in mind.


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That moment when you realise the person you're speaking to is an utter idiot...
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Worse, that moment when you realise you're talking to an utter idiot and they're the type of people you need to go through to make it.

This dawned on me some time ago, which is why I'm concentrating more on novel writing as soon as I'm finished with the rewrites of this script. Seems producers don't want to make my stories... even when they do, what they really want is for me to write theirs. So, I've written enough feature specs now. Although I do have one more I want to write, a light romantic drama.

This script I'm rewriting is nothing like the original spec... despite that original spec being loved. The characters, plot, and story have changed. All that remains are the character names and only because it was easier than changing them. They will be changed upon final draft though too.
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Wow, what a dumbass.

You are one hell of a writer, Dave. His loss, it just needs to land in the right hands.

It will happen!


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Dave, have you ever considered trying to attach a director first?

It would be great to land an agent - however none of us are going to land with a big agency until we've had some success. And I had a boutique agent for about 5 years, and looking back, she probably did more harm than good.  She certainly didn't do anything that I couldn't, and didn't do for myself.

And keep in mind agents only get 10% - so they still expect you to do some hustling. 90% of the hustling, to be exact.


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Thanks all for the feedback. Will try to consolidate.

From Dustin:


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Worse, that moment when you realise you're talking to an utter idiot and they're the type of people you need to go through to make it.


Yep!!!!!! It's like being sick and going to the Doctor only to be greeted by a car mechanic. No - worse - a car mechanic intern.  No worse - someone who never has driven a car.  

Granted. my interactions with folks in the industry have been limited, but they have been universally disappointing. I think part of the problem is that I already had a career (unrelated to writing) and, in general, the superiors and decision makers that one dealt with were not universally dumber then the people who worked for them.

Ironically, the best folks I have dealt with are students and newbies interested in shorts. They are more energetic, more respectful of the material and more in love with the art.

From AJR


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Dave, have you ever considered trying to attach a director first?

It would be great to land an agent - however none of us are going to land with a big agency until we've had some success. And I had a boutique agent for about 5 years, and looking back, she probably did more harm than good.  She certainly didn't do anything that I couldn't, and didn't do for myself.


Not sure how I could attach a Director - i.e., how to get to them. I know they are on IMDB but the contact is typically through an Agency.

You may be absolutely correct on Agents in general. I am experimenting in the outreach area at this time. I have decided to put down the writing pen (keyboard) for a few months and instead focus on outreach and am kind of doing it in all directions - everything from query letters to submitting to Amateur Friday.   I am finding that this part of "the hobby" is zero fun and very unrewarding - but thought it was time to get my toes wet.

From Warren


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Wow, what a dumbass.

You are one hell of a writer, Dave. His loss, it just needs to land in the right hands.

It will happen!


Thanks, mate. Appreciate that.


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If the exact same script, word for word, were written by [fill in name of established writer with credits], those same agents would be fawning all over your script.
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Quoted from Bogey
If the exact same script, word for word, were written by [fill in name of established writer with credits], those same agents would be fawning all over your script.


Thanks, dude - appreciate it.


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Dave, this is by far the most aggravating business you can imagine. All people think about when they they hear movie business is what they see, the stars whether it's the actors or directors. Truth is, that you only see and hear about the cream of the crop. The 1%. That 1% exist in every arena. Business, sports, arts whatever. Everyone wants to belong in that 1% group. I'm not saying none of us can get there, but it is highly unlikely. Most of us have to put up with playing in the indie arena, again, wether that is in the movie business, horse business, car racing or whatever.

Like you, I started out doing this as a hobby. I knew early on I would never make it big in this business. Still, like so many others, I got sucked into, or should I say seduced by the idea of having my scripts made into films. I've had a bunch of films made now, including five features. To be honest with you, I'm no happier or richer from it. If anything, I found it to be extremely frustrating rollercoaster ride. The last five years, I've spent all my time writing stuff that producers told me that they wanted. No more! I'm tired of it. I reminded myself that this is a hobby! I'm not trying to make a career out of it. I'm going back to writing what I like. Stuff that can be a little out there at times. I know you don't like my stuff.. However, there are people out there that do like that side of me. Maybe not a lot of them, but they honestly like that kind of stuff. IMO, I think my scripts are better when I write what makes me happy than when I try to please others. Low budget thrillers... From now on, I write whatever the hell I want. If a director likes it, fine. If not, that's fine too. Maybe you should do the same. Stick to your guns. Write what makes you happy. Eventually, someone will read it that likes exactly the same thing as you.


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Dave, this is by far the most aggravating business you can imagine. All people think about when they they hear movie business is what they see, the stars whether it's the actors or directors. Truth is, that you only see and hear about the cream of the crop. The 1%. That 1% exist in every arena. Business, sports, arts whatever. Everyone wants to belong in that 1% group. I'm not saying none of us can get there, but it is highly unlikely. Most of us have to put up with playing in the indie arena, again, wether that is in the movie business, horse business, car racing or whatever.

Like you, I started out doing this as a hobby. I knew early on I would never make it big in this business. Still, like so many others, I got sucked into, or should I say seduced by the idea of having my scripts made into films. I've had a bunch of films made now, including five features. To be honest with you, I'm no happier or richer from it. If anything, I found it to be extremely frustrating rollercoaster ride. The last five years, I've spent all my time writing stuff that producers told me that they wanted. No more! I'm tired of it. I reminded myself that this is a hobby! I'm not trying to make a career out of it. I'm going back to writing what I like. Stuff that can be a little out there at times. I know you don't like my stuff.. However, there are people out there that do like that side of me. Maybe not a lot of them, but they honestly like that kind of stuff. IMO, I think my scripts are better when I write what makes me happy than when I try to please others. Low budget thrillers... From now on, I write whatever the hell I want. If a director likes it, fine. If not, that's fine too. Maybe you should do the same. Stick to your guns. Write what makes you happy. Eventually, someone will read it that likes exactly the same thing as you.


Thanks for sharing your experiences. And yes - I am going back to fun


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Scar Tissue Films
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Retarded feedback is always the most annoying.

I think we've probably all suffered it, at one time or another.

That being said: Everyone has their own opinions on films and stories. One person's masterpiece is the next person's snoozefest. If he felt her reluctance to sleep with the guy wasn't developed enough, he felt it wasn't developed enough...it's just the way it is.

The only thing you can do is specifically target filmmakers who make the kind of stuff you write, personally. One way or another. Or Produce/Direct them yourself....and try not to lose your home.

Truthfully, very few scripts are good enough to warrant the millions of pounds worth of investment, and the untold amount of time needed to make a film.

You know...even a lot of the professional novelists and screenwriters don't often write stories that are that good, to be honest. I'd say a lot of my favourite novels were one time deals..someone nailed one story, but never got to that level again...maybe not even close.

I personally think writing a great script is extremely difficult..harder than writing a great novel imo. I've been around professional TV and film in a small way for about 10 years. I've worked in a small way on some big blockbuster stuff, and worked with a lot of actors and directors who have made it to some level. The vast majority of directors looking for stuff don't even bother looking for scripts due to the rarity of finding one suitable/good enough and will more often look at short stories, novellas or novels for material.

I think you can see from the stuff Hollywood creates...more often than not it's based on pre-existing material..whether that's comics, novels, fairy tales, or old films.

I don't know if it's my place to say this, but in my decade plus of looking for features to produce, I've only come across one script that I thought, on the page, as written, was good enough to be made into a film (it was). There's a larger number of almost there's...but not quites. But even that number is quite small.
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BTW, Dave...did they specifically ask for a Save the Cat beat sheet...or just a beat sheet?

You'll almost always get asked for a beat sheet.

Often, on the big gigs, you'll be asked to write several,so they can compare.
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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
BTW, Dave...did they specifically ask for a Save the Cat beat sheet...or just a beat sheet?

You'll almost always get asked for a beat sheet.

Often, on the big gigs, you'll be asked to write several,so they can compare.


They asked for my save the cat beat sheet


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