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Not sure we watched the same film. Interested to know how you think it restored the legacy if you don't mind sharing?
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1. Treated the older characters with some respect, unlike the last film. 2. Made more sense of Han's death from the first film and gave it more meaning. 3. Gave us a more fitting Luke, although he looked silly. 4. Bringing all the jedi together inside of Rey was very touching for me. Hearing all the voices of Obi Wan, Qii Jon, Ashoka, Anakin, Mace Windu, Yoda etc.
It all made it feel like they were part of a bigger victory... Destroying the Sith completely and healed some wounds for me.
It really tried so hard to give fans what they wanted, and for me he did about the best job possible after what had come before. I thought Abrams did well.
1. Treated the older characters with some respect, unlike the last film. 2. Made more sense of Han's death from the first film and gave it more meaning. 3. Gave us a more fitting Luke, although he looked silly. 4. Bringing all the jedi together inside of Rey was very touching for me. Hearing all the voices of Obi Wan, Qii Jon, Ashoka, Anakin, Mace Windu, Yoda etc.
It all made it feel like they were part of a bigger victory... Destroying the Sith completely and healed some wounds for me.
It really tried so hard to give fans what they wanted, and for me he did about the best job possible after what had come before. I thought Abrams did well.
Fair enough...can't say I agree, but thanks for clarifying.
Star Wars is a funny beast, everyone has their own version of it in their heads.
It's also strange because it can only really be understood if you follow all the novels, comics, cartoons and games.
And you can also only understand it in hindsight.
They even had key info out in the Fortnite game recently, where they revealed the message from the Emperor which wasn't in the film itself :
"At last the work of generations is complete", "The great error is corrected. The day of victory is at hand. The day of revenge. The day of the Sith!"
It's quite a strange thing to do, because the majority are going to miss lots of things, but presumably it also gives every release, no matter what it is, a validity.
Yeah, just got back from seeing this with my son. We both enjoyed it a lot. It tried a little hard in spots, and for some reason I thought Poe's character was never well defined throughout this and the other two. Never felt particularly connected to him, and I tried. Perhaps it was his acting, I dunno. Anyway, a minor distraction.
It tied up nicely. Thinking on it, bringing back Palpatine was a great idea. Truly evil. the puppet master pulling the strings all along. In fact, when he was first introduced, I thought of the Wizard of Oz because he kind of appeared to be the man behind the curtain. I wonder if that was intentional. Next time I speak with JJ I'll be sure to ask!
And, I might add, the very end scene was perfect. Just perfect.
In my opinion, too many people who did not like this film are the kind of Star Wars purists who have read every book, every comic and played every game. And who go to Star Wars parties, with like-minded folks, dressed as their favorite Star Wars character.
Yeah, just got back from seeing this with my son. We both enjoyed it a lot. It tried a little hard in spots, and for some reason I thought Poe's character was never well defined throughout this and the other two. Never felt particularly connected to him, and I tried. Perhaps it was his acting, I dunno. Anyway, a minor distraction.
It tied up nicely. Thinking on it, bringing back Palpatine was a great idea. Truly evil. the puppet master pulling the strings all along. In fact, when he was first introduced, I thought of the Wizard of Oz because he kind of appeared to be the man behind the curtain. I wonder if that was intentional. Next time I speak with JJ I'll be sure to ask!
And, I might add, the very end scene was perfect. Just perfect.
In my opinion, too many people who did not like this film are the kind of Star Wars purists who have read every book, every comic and played every game. And who go to Star Wars parties, with like-minded folks, dressed as their favorite Star Wars character.
I just watched and enjoyed.
I think it's the opposite. Most of the complaints and bad reviews seem to be coming from the casual fan. For instance, a lot of people are complaining the Emperor is still alive, when he was alive in the comics the whole time.
The movie wasn't as frustrating as The Last Jedi, but I thought it was hectic, crammed, and felt like J.J. Abrams was trying to make up for lost time. Part fan fiction, part cartoon and part corporate product that aims to please everybody. And none of the three parts ever questioned the plausibility of any of it.
Rey is still overpowered (unless it's plot-crucial that she isn't). I was actually more worried about every poor bastard that was suicidal enough to cross paths with her.
The Sith Troopers are of course nothing but gimmicks and future merchandise. Made me think back to "Lord of the Rings" where almost every new enemy type has a (game-changing) impact within the story.
The Knights of Ren are the new Bobba Fett: Cool-looking and completely underused. During their biggest scene I genuinely had to wonder: "Uhm, that's them, right?"
There were some good visuals, but the way it was directed made a lot of it fall flat for me. One particular fight scene was shot so up-close, that I could hardly make out any choreography.
POSSIBLE MILD SPOILER: So, did the filmmakers just forget that Finn had something important he wanted to tell Rey? Did I miss it?
I think it's the opposite. Most of the complaints and bad reviews seem to be coming from the casual fan. For instance, a lot of people are complaining the Emperor is still alive, when he was alive in the comics the whole time.
We've had this one before, but my feeling is always that Lucas' view is gospel on SW, as it's his baby.
Probably the difference being that SW originated outside CBs, so it has the inverse relationship re: what's 'right' versus a Batman, which obviously originates from CBs.
I would say I think the split is more even, though, on who dislikes it. For many of the hardcores, it appears the complaints revolve around a lack of cohesive vision, which is a result of a sellout, and if there's anything a hardcore fan hates, it's a sellout!
I'm glad people are enjoying it, though. SW will always divide, but its main purpose is to entertaion and thrill, which it's certainly done for many with the new film; just wish I was one of them!
The Emperor was always coming back in Lucas's vision, as well.
It was set up in the prequels : He told Anakin that he had discovered the secret of surviving death.
All the media was also under the direct influence of Lucas. Anything written had to be approved by the top. It's all right (until they say it isn't) as it's all part of the same story and is canon.
Most of the stuff that is in the films now is the product of the extended universe. Eg Siths, Sith home planet, Sith holocrons etc. None of that came from the original films. It was just the light and the dark side.
Rightly or wrongly key episodes of the story exist outside of the films.
Like I mentioned above, the Emperors message could only be heard in the Fortnite game. It's odd, but that's the reality. The build up of the resistance who suddenly appeared at the end took place in the novel preceding Rise of Skywalker, Resistance Reborn. Without following all the media, the reality is the films make little sense Imo.
I think the trilogy overall was a very mixed bag. All the pieces were in place, particularly in hindsight, but they just never got it going. Rian Johnson was a very disruptive influence, dismantling and deconstructing, but not providing any new narrative strands to follow. Abrams had to provide the second film as well as the third as far as I can see. The things that needed developing, weren't. Finn should have been out attracting former Imperials to the rebellion, instead of going to the casino. Rey should have been training with Luke and discovering the mystery behind Snoke, the Knights of Ren should have been established etc. Instead they had to throw all that in awkwardly in the third film.
In retrospect there was a much better, and easier story to tell utilising what they had.. The films feel more like a first draft.
In my imagination is already a much more cohesive and fulfilling film than what made it to the screen.
It's been hinted at for thirty years the Emperor survived. He returned in the early 90's in Dark Empire, when he turned Luke briefly to the Dark side . There's been numerous stories recently laying the grounds for his return, telling us he had created numerous cloning facilities, and a group of people called the Dark Acolytes had been collecting Vaders relics to help with the return as it's also been established that the Siths can put their life force into inanimate objects, such ss helmets.
In the films alone, Palpatine told Anakin outright that Darth Plagueis apprentice (which is Palpatine/ Darth Sidious) had learned how to survive death.
Star Wars is a huge meta - narrative. Noone is under any obligation to follow it all, but if you don't you're bound to miss a lot of things, and it means that things you think are nonsensical have usually already been explained way before the films even come out.
It's been hinted at for thirty years the Emperor survived. He returned in the early 90's in Dark Empire, when he turned Luke briefly to the Dark side . There's been numerous stories recently laying the grounds for his return, telling us he had created numerous cloning facilities, and a group of people called the Dark Acolytes had been collecting Vaders relics to help with the return as it's also been established that the Siths can put their life force into inanimate objects, such ss helmets.
In the films alone, Palpatine told Anakin outright that Darth Plagueis apprentice (which is Palpatine/ Darth Sidious) had learned how to survive death.
Star Wars is a huge meta - narrative. Noone is under any obligation to follow it all, but if you don't you're bound to miss a lot of things, and it means that things you think are nonsensical have usually already been explained way before the films even come out.
Of course you did. You're defending this turd like it's your new born baby and like you're the only one who has any understanding of Star Wars.
They brought him back because they had no where to go and were clutching at straws to make it work. It really didn't on any level.
But we can't all like the same things, I think this entire saga has been a shit show.
They've been setting it up for a long, long time. It's just that a lot of people missed it. That's part of the fun of Star Wars, you only realise what's going on when it's all finished. It continually evolves.
The Emperor was always coming back in Lucas's vision, as well.
It was set up in the prequels : He told Anakin that he had discovered the secret of surviving death.
All the media was also under the direct influence of Lucas. Anything written had to be approved by the top. It's all right (until they say it isn't) as it's all part of the same story and is canon.
Most of the stuff that is in the films now is the product of the extended universe. Eg Siths, Sith home planet, Sith holocrons etc. None of that came from the original films. It was just the light and the dark side.
Rightly or wrongly key episodes of the story exist outside of the films.
Like I mentioned above, the Emperors message could only be heard in the Fortnite game. It's odd, but that's the reality. The build up of the resistance who suddenly appeared at the end took place in the novel preceding Rise of Skywalker, Resistance Reborn. Without following all the media, the reality is the films make little sense Imo.
I think the trilogy overall was a very mixed bag. All the pieces were in place, particularly in hindsight, but they just never got it going. Rian Johnson was a very disruptive influence, dismantling and deconstructing, but not providing any new narrative strands to follow. Abrams had to provide the second film as well as the third as far as I can see. The things that needed developing, weren't. Finn should have been out attracting former Imperials to the rebellion, instead of going to the casino. Rey should have been training with Luke and discovering the mystery behind Snoke, the Knights of Ren should have been established etc. Instead they had to throw all that in awkwardly in the third film.
In retrospect there was a much better, and easier story to tell utilising what they had.. The films feel more like a first draft.
In my imagination is already a much more cohesive and fulfilling film than what made it to the screen.
Interesting stuff. I didn't realise that re: Lucas, and to be honest, I didn't really have a big problem with the Emperor coming back, but moreso with the way he was brought back:
- It could definitely be credibly argued bringing him back was always part of the plan, hence the death of Snoke. - However, it felt like a bolt from the blue, which I think was down to the pre-reveal for PR, and even frontloading him to the very start of the film.
Had they kept his reapperance a secret (away from trailers, etc) and then gently introduced him in Rise, it would've been a lot more impactful. However, narratively they left themselves with far too much to do to give him a full arc in the series, which lends credibility to the idea it was desperation resulting from the 'course correction' everyone is talking about. Surely bringing him back had to start in TLJ.
Either way, the one thing it seems we all agree on is that this series suffered massively from not being a cohesive whole, which is a great shame.
Fact is, for whatever people think of SW, no one can deny its cultural impact is still as potent as ever, hence the wall-to-wall coverage since the release, and the BO numbers looked good last time I checked, which was opening night.
Kathleen Kennedy said it was always the plan, they just weren't sure how to do it, but even so, the way it happened outside of the film was strange.
The whole story was odd, in truth, or rather the telling of it was, the actual story is pretty good when you piece it together yourself.
The Emperor's voice could be heard when Rey had her vision in Force Awakens (along with many others), leading some people to correctly assume she was a Palpatine. So they were giving themselves the option of that from the start, but then why wasn't he affecting things more obviously throughout? Kylo could have had curious visions, so could Rey etc
It does seem like it was out of the blue in terms of the trilogy, though not in terms of the whole saga.
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