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Andrew
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As many of you know, I'm a pretty political person, and a liberal. But a liberal that believes that if someone holds different views to me, it doesn't put them on the Hitler scale.

Following on from my previous post about 2019 being pretty weak, I do ascribe much of it to the force feeding of far left (supposedly " progressive') messaging polluting their art.

Art should absolutely be a vehicle for socio-political commentary, but in a nuanced, open-minded manner that pays respect to different viewpoints, and an audience that may not share that opinion.

What we have now is an increasing pool of filmmakers who want to force feed you their views, with the art supporting that, almost incidental. The key is to do it the other way round, right? The politics should support the story.

Thoughts, people?

Anyway, this leads me to link this below. I think this guy is constantly hitting the sweet spot on calling out this perversion of film, and how it's santising art and removing much of what makes film so inherently beguiling and necessary.



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Speaking from the perspective of someone who utterly loathes where we find ourselves today, I totally agree with you.  Some of it is so ham-handed that you almost have to cringe.

The only "agenda" film that has peaked my interest in a while is The Hunt:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

A bunch of "elites" hunting a bunch of "deplorables" for sport.  And here in real life, the deplorables are so easily led to outrage that they assumed the elites must be the good guys in this Hollywood offering.

And once you-know-who started to bitch-tweet, they totally caved to the pressure and pulled the film altogether.

Pussies.  I still have no idea why they didn't just lean into it.  Their marketing team should have just put his tweets right on the damn poster and been legend.

I wonder if we’ll ever get to see this film.


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Films are now political propaganda and nothing more.

It's also doubly annoying because it comes from hypocrites. Disney pimping out 'Evil rich' Tropes in Billion pound Star Wars movies when they own cinema and will now be able to own multiplexes as well.

It's no doubt done because they know everyone will fight about it and they get free advertising. They throw everything in there so people can see what they want and they just collect the money.

Social media is the same. All left wing censorship from uber capitalists that run silicon Valley monopolies.

Films from twenty and thirty years ago seem like they were written by futuristic geniuses in comparison to what's offered nowadays. Today's offerings are so cliche that it almost defies belief. It's like watching films from the 1930's, the only thing that has changed is the target of the attacks.
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Ultimately the rich use money to own your body, and left wing propaganda to control your mind. It's a beautiful system. I admire it's pure Satanic design.
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Me: Socially liberal, Fiscally conservative.  Believe most of the solutions to our problems can be found in the rational middle. Anyway -

Yes - I agree. A classic case of this is "The Newsroom" by Aaron Sorkin.

The acting in this is brilliant. The drama is fantastic. The premise is killer - how do we get the bias and trivia out of the news and focus on the real issues. How can we focus on the facts, not the gossip, not the partisan driven opinions.

And then -

Sorkin fucking blows it by creating a show that has an enormous liberal bias whilst claiming to be a show about bias. The hypocrisy would send any conservative running away screaming.  AN example, they spend much of the focus on two shows on the hero anchor preparing to moderate the Republican Presidential debate.  Sadly, he made all the Republicans seem like exploiting rubes.  The fact is that many were. But the point is why didn't you do the same thing to the Democratic side????  

The series is filled with missed opportunities in this regard. A shame - could have been a perfect show.


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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
I admire it's pure Satanic design.

Yep.  


Quoted from eldave1
Me: Socially liberal, Fiscally conservative.  Believe most of the solutions to our problems can be found in the rational middle.

Same here.


I'm not so sure it's all about politics and pushing an agenda as it is about money. Sure, some films and TV shows seem to definitely have a progressive slant, but I would blame that on the filmmakers of that particular project, not Hollywood or whatever as a whole. With Trump in the white house, there's probably a little bit more of it now than in the past thanks to the extreme hatred of him. I don't like him either, but I'm not at all filled with rage and hatred. I know many on the left are. I see it on social media every day. Some of them I actually feel sorry for. Can't be good for your health to be that angry for three years straight and probably longer.

As far as the films go, I think it has more to do with the international market. Movies have to make a profit. Big movies especially, so they have to appeal to every freaking person on the planet. Every race and demographic group. Include everyone and don't anger anyone. The Meg, could've been an awesome movie. Instead it was laughable in a bad way. I read somewhere that it had to appeal to Asian, Chinese especially "sensibilities". The result was a lame movie that could've and should've been great.

Take gay people for example. They are represented more and more in film and TV. That's fine. Doesn't bother me one bit, but it seems filmmakers often add a gay character just to appeal to that group even when it doesn't fit the character. Take that female psychologist in Mindhunter for example. Her being a lesbian totally fit her character, so it worked, but I see over and over films where it doesn't and having a gay character just feels shoehorned in.

I remember one of the worst cases of trying to represent every demographic group in TV that I've ever seen and it was Under the Dome. I've read the book. Some 1300 pages or so. It all took place in a small town in New England somewhere, but not Derry, I don't think. Other than there actually being a dome over the town, it wasn't recognizable from the book at all. They tried to hard to please everyone and thus ruined it for everyone. IMHO, that's the problem rather than being too progressive. Make everyone like it and it'll make more money...


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And I agree with Bert on The Hunt. If people had actually seen the film, they would've known that it was the opposite that happened in the film. Good script though.


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Film has always been political, and at times, way less subtly so than recently. I think the difference is that you don't wholly agree with the politics of today and its bothers you more, which is fine. I don't want to watch Birth of a Nation for the same reasons.

Full disclosure: I'm a communist, most days.


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Film has always been political, and at times, way less subtly so than recently. I think the difference is that you don't wholly agree with the politics of today and its bothers you more, which is fine. I don't want to watch Birth of a Nation for the same reasons.

Full disclosure: I'm a communist, most days.


Interesting observation. I do think that there were far less "lectures" in films in days gone by.


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Quoted from AlsoBen
Film has always been political, and at times, way less subtly so than recently. I think the difference is that you don't wholly agree with the politics of today and its bothers you more, which is fine. I don't want to watch Birth of a Nation for the same reasons.

Full disclosure: I'm a communist, most days.


Possibly, but I don't think so.

It's not the message that bothers me, but the hamfisted attempt to get it across. I'm more offended by how poor the moviemaking is.

Film is a medium that naturally lends itself to socio-political commentary (and should be), but the current raft of movies falling foul of the initial point is large, and increasing.

Out of interest, what period of filmmaking has a greater volume of overtly political commentary (all in one direction) in peace time? I'm struggling to think of one.


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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
Films are now political propaganda and nothing more.

It's also doubly annoying because it comes from hypocrites. Disney pimping out 'Evil rich' Tropes in Billion pound Star Wars movies when they own cinema and will now be able to own multiplexes as well.

It's no doubt done because they know everyone will fight about it and they get free advertising. They throw everything in there so people can see what they want and they just collect the money.

Social media is the same. All left wing censorship from uber capitalists that run silicon Valley monopolies.

Films from twenty and thirty years ago seem like they were written by futuristic geniuses in comparison to what's offered nowadays. Today's offerings are so cliche that it almost defies belief. It's like watching films from the 1930's, the only thing that has changed is the target of the attacks.


It's definitely the hypocrisy added to the virtual signalling and assumed morsal superiority that gets me! No doubt it'll die out, but it's a quirky development when we have seen siginifcant progress in every areas contested, whilst things are presented as if we live in the 1890s.


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Speaking from the perspective of someone who utterly loathes where we find ourselves today, I totally agree with you.  Some of it is so ham-handed that you almost have to cringe.

The only "agenda" film that has peaked my interest in a while is The Hunt:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

A bunch of "elites" hunting a bunch of "deplorables" for sport.  And here in real life, the deplorables are so easily led to outrage that they assumed the elites must be the good guys in this Hollywood offering.

And once you-know-who started to bitch-tweet, they totally caved to the pressure and pulled the film altogether.

Pussies.  I still have no idea why they didn't just lean into it.  Their marketing team should have just put his tweets right on the damn poster and been legend.

I wonder if we’ll ever get to see this film.


I'll have to check that out, as am not familiar with it.

When you're even losing a couple of liberals like ourselves, it's fair to say things have gone too far. The cringe factor is strong, and hard to bear!


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Anybody see the trailer for Social Justice Warrior: The Movie?

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Liberal. I'll keep it broad. Make of that what you will. I will say that politics are important to me, and I'm engaged in my own way.

That said, generally in agreement with folks who've posted thus far. I wouldn't say films are being killed. There're still a decent amount of filmmakers who aren't playing into this trend, and there're certainly films every now and then that can pull off a socio-political message with some semblance of tact and thoughtfulness. I would say the fact that everything is so politicized these days is definitely hurting films (and art broadly) though. Beyond that, even where there're important issues to explore, the industry at large is so hacky and cynical that they tend to fail miserably at it.


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The thing I hate (Look at Ghostbusters 2016) is that they do it  and rub it in your face as if to say don't  come  see this we hate men... BUT I am your audience.

Ghostbusters is made for that little boy or girl in all of us to see people fighting ghosts in a funny/cool way and your movie is telling me that this is girls only but if you say anything you're sexist.

James Bond can be Jane Bond but don't do what Ghostbusters did and put up the sign outside your clubhouse saying "No men allowed" then get mad when nobody goes to see your movie.

I liked the video but he's doing what so many people complain about people doing. Judging before seeing.

I went into that Ghostbusters movie seeing all the negativity and did not hate it but it's nothing special... Could this be solved if studios didn't set a release date and tell the 12 writers it has to be done by this time so we can film it and do this and that and add females in the lead roles so we can tick boxes that the audience doesn't care about.

This is what the internet has done to film and tv, mixed with getting old all the things once held beloved are becoming bastardized because the best idea is an old idea that has name recognition.


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