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wonkavite
Posted: May 22nd, 2010, 12:32pm Report to Moderator
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Interesting.

Haven't read many of these yet, but this one was intelligently themed and has potential.

Truth in disclosure: I'm primarily vegan myself (pure vegan for three years, now somewhat modified.  And my reasons for being veggie are strictly moral, not health related.)  Have never been the loud, protesting type - but more philosophical in bent.

I really would like to have seen more detail in the discussions - why Alan was vegan, etc...why Clive wasn't....

Also, although I wasn't offended by Alan's "change of mind" - after all, there are veggie types who would do that - I would liked to have seen a little more argument against Clive.  Hey, you've been eating innocent animals all your life, when you didn't even have to...and now you're going to fight to save your puppy?  Kinda hypocritical, no?

So - IMHO - good a little further with the script, deepen the characters and their motivations, and this could be really good.

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Just realized I had not read this script. But I see the author has not commented on any other scripts even though he is a board member so I won't bother with a review. Except to say it was a massive chore to read and poorly written IMO. Jumping all over the place, characters with pointless last names etc. Apparently there was a story in here somewhere but I failed to find it.


OK - first of all where are you getting this from? I have commented on other scripts, and what exactly does it mean to be a board member? Why do you say you won't bother with a review, and commence with a contracted destructive critisim? Try and look at some of the scripts I have commented on, at least I like to think that they are constructive.

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Thank to everybody who has responded to this script - many of the remarks are really very constructive, and I feel that I'm learning a lot quickly from a lot of that feedback - again, I don't know, but I'm in England, so a different time zone (work full time, and have a family), so I can't always respond as quick as some people, but I certainly take on board what people are saying, and it does feed back into the scripts I'm writing - I also spend time reading other good film scripts (and watching films & and a bit of writing...) so I can't spend all day every day on here, but what I do get is hugely valuable - so thanks to all who have inputted. (This response is to long isn't it..? mmm still learning...)
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OK - first of all where are you getting this from? I have commented on other scripts, and what exactly does it mean to be a board member? Why do you say you won't bother with a review, and commence with a contracted destructive critisim? Try and look at some of the scripts I have commented on, at least I like to think that they are constructive.


Which scripts, in this OWC, have you commented on?
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He didn't comment on any OWC scripts, which is just downright WEAK!
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He didn't comment on any OWC scripts, which is just downright WEAK!


Yeah that's what I thought, yet he is claiming that he has commented on other scripts which is clearly not the case. It amazes me how some people claim they don't have an hour to spare to read and comment on a couple of scripts yet they obviously have hours and hours to spend writing their own script. It's a piss poor effort.
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Yeah that's what I thought, yet he is claiming that he has commented on other scripts which is clearly not the case. It amazes me how some people claim they don't have an hour to spare to read and comment on a couple of scripts yet they obviously have hours and hours to spend writing their own script. It's a piss poor effort.


Sorry Trojan, but I'm going to take an opposite view here.  

This individual has jumped on here. OK. He's participating. Is he not?

Yes, in a capacity. No, in the capacity you would like.

Yet...

If we don't have to the plus and minus edge of the scale, we have nothing from which to gauge.

Lachen. (thus) (therefore) (hence) we need to appreciate that we have a measuring stick here. ? I'm not sure, but I'm listening to your point of view and acknowledging a fixed point from which you gauge.

Sandra




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The whole idea of the forum, and the OWC in particular, is that you get free feedback on your scripts. In return, you offer feedback on other scripts. Pretty simple concept really. If people have no intention of reading other work then they should not bother submitting their scripts, it is just rude. They take but give nothing back.

How has this guy contributed? He said 'thanks for the feedback' and that was it. People spend their time in good faith on scripts under the assumption the author will return the favour. When those people turn out to be leeches it is annoying and taking time that could be better spent on scripts that deserve it.

Seriously how hard is it to read just a few scripts and post your comments on it? I think Sandra that you commented on all, or most, of the scripts. Which is a fantastic effort considering you didn't enter a script yourself. I think Andrew, James and maybe one or two others might have done the same. Which is very good of them. But just highlights how some people who do enter are incredibly selfish and offer nothing of value. I'm not just talking about the author of this script, but all of the people who don't return the reads. IMO they should have their scripts removed and/or not be allowed to participate in future challenges. So I stand by my original statement, it's a REALLY piss poor effort.
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The whole idea of the forum, and the OWC in particular, is that you get free feedback on your scripts. In return, you offer feedback on other scripts. Pretty simple concept really. If people have no intention of reading other work then they should not bother submitting their scripts, it is just rude. They take but give nothing back.

How has this guy contributed? He said 'thanks for the feedback' and that was it. People spend their time in good faith on scripts under the assumption the author will return the favour. When those people turn out to be leeches it is annoying and taking time that could be better spent on scripts that deserve it.

Seriously how hard is it to read just a few scripts and post your comments on it? I think Sandra that you commented on all, or most, of the scripts. Which is a fantastic effort considering you didn't enter a script yourself. I think Andrew, James and maybe one or two others might have done the same. Which is very good of them. But just highlights how some people who do enter are incredibly selfish and offer nothing of value. I'm not just talking about the author of this script, but all of the people who don't return the reads. IMO they should have their scripts removed and/or not be allowed to participate in future challenges. So I stand by my original statement, it's a REALLY piss poor effort.


Please, (Bevakasha) don't get me wrong. I understand where you are coming from; however, I just want to offer that other side of the coin.

The fact that these individuals have "given" "offered up" something for me to read is a gift to me. They needn't read my script or "lack of a script", because this is just the way it is this time around.

For some weird reason, I appreciate the opportunity that is presented here and I understand that we will get a variety of give/take scripts.

Sometimes people show up, they leave and never to return, and yet...

They leave an impact. Kinduv like that shadowy presence that you almost don't even consider-- a dream that you never remember until something "snaps" you to.

Even the fact that you "give 'em Hell" is good because it draws our attention and makes it real.

Boy do I sound weird.

Thank you though. It wouldn't make sense without you.

Sandra



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Trojan, Dreamscale. Is this what you call positive feedback? Where do you get your negativity from? It is weary people like you who ruin this site for new people like me. Last script that I commented on..? 'War in Spring Gardens'. Go on, look it up, don't just take my word for it. And do please note, that I don't involve any name-calling during my feedback, and I try and make it positive and constructive.

Second point, for which you will no doubt self-righteously call me a liar (and worse, which I have been called in my small short lived time on this site), I have read scripts that I have not fedback to for two reasons:
1) I didn't initially feel 'qualified' enough to as I was still in the learning process myself (would you like me to teach other people my mistakes?)
2) Any point I had wished to make had been put more eloquently by another conrtibuter.

And lastly, if I put my name into the search engine here I get nothing. Is that where you are getting your information from that I have not commented on any scripts? Ok, from now on, I will keep a record of any script that I comment on so that the ill-informed and foul-mouthed among this community can quickly be corrected.

Simon
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I've read this and I'll comment it on it later via an edit. Suffice to say it would probably be inappropriate to write my opinions on it right now.

Here's the reason why. Bleeding obvious but sometimes that needs stating to keep the peace. Or at least try.

The only folks who run this place are the bosses and the mods. They are the gatekeepers. Many others will try and help the mods run the site. Sometimes they are completely wrong.

There are a set of rules for this site. I suggest some members refresh their memories as their behaviour of late seems to violate some of them.

This is a website for writers. It's supposed to help, not hinder.

I'm not a mod. Not even close. I do like The Who. Does that count? No? Oh. Okay.

Now, I have a house to clean and some other work to do. Have a good day all.

You kids play nice now.

L&P

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Trojan, Dreamscale. Is this what you call positive feedback? Where do you get your negativity from? It is weary people like you who ruin this site for new people like me. Last script that I commented on..? 'War in Spring Gardens'. Go on, look it up, don't just take my word for it. And do please note, that I don't involve any name-calling during my feedback, and I try and make it positive and constructive.


Ok we are not talking about commenting on scripts in the other forums, but scripts in this actual OWC in which you took part. It is genreally seen as very poor form by 95% of the members on here for someone to enter their script in the challenge and to not comment on other peoples scripts. Understand? War in Spring Gardens was not part of this OWC hence you have not contributed anything to anybody else.

To be fair, like I said, this is not solely directed at you. But to everybody who doesn't bother to return reads and comments. If you actually read the initial thread that has the OWC genre/theme you'll see it stated many times by people that you are expected to read scripts and post your thoughts for at least some of the scripts in the challenge. To not do so is a pretty poor effort, like I said.

So it's not me or anyone else being negative towards you, or ruining this site for you. It's people who take but give nothing in return that frustrate the board members to the point that this needs to be brought up every single time. And it's annoying. Imagine if me and everyone else adopted the attitude of not wanting to comment on scripts in the challenge. How do you think that would work? You'd have 35 scripts and zero comments on each one.

Do you understand what I'm saying?
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I do understand what you are saying and I have the following that you and others should understand:

1. 'When those people turn out to be leeches' and other terms is not a way to get the message over.

2. The purpose of the OWC maybe should be explained more clearly - I tried to read some of the scripts, but there were no links to any of them at all - so just guessed that the judges were chosen by the organiser. If everyone should have read them, then why couldn't we access them until after the competition???

This is the first (and no doubt last) time that I will enter the OWC - my question is why do people on this site have to be just so aggressive??? It's like the bully-boys are trying to take over - instead of any kind of reasoned or rational approach to any issue, you just get leapt upon, with people insulting you, calling you offensive names - if anyone joins this site on the premise that they enjoy writing - then they better get up to speed with the rules and regs pretty damn fast or they are in for a pretty good verbal kicking for any mistakes they make.

Don't you know of any better ways of doing things?

Simon
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"The purpose of the OWC maybe should be explained more clearly"  I don't see how it can be explained more clearly.

There were no links to the scripts???  I read them all. Including yours...

Judges?

It's not a competition...


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'When those people turn out to be leeches' and other terms is not a way to get the message over.


Obviously having it stated plainly and clearly in the original thread doesn't seem to get the message across either.


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2. The purpose of the OWC maybe should be explained more clearly - I tried to read some of the scripts, but there were no links to any of them at all - so just guessed that the judges were chosen by the organiser. If everyone should have read them, then why couldn't we access them until after the competition??


I literally have no idea what you are talking about. All of the scripts were available to read by anyone from the moment Don posted them. All you had to do was open the thread and click on the name of the script. And since you have read other scripts on here you know exactly how it works. There were/are no judges. Just reviewers. People like you and me who read them and posted their comments. As for the purpose of the OWC, do you want a big neon billboard erected outside your house with the OWC guidelines for you to read? What is so difficult about reading the original posts in the OWC thread that clearly explains everything? If you were having problems understanding anything, what is so difficult about posting a comment to the effect of 'hey guys I'm new, how does this OWC work exactly? I am trying to read the scripts but am having trouble. Help.'

Am I speaking another language here or what? I mean it is like 2 weeks since all the scripts have been up and you STILL have not commented on any of them. What's stopping you from doing that?


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This is the first (and no doubt last) time that I will enter the OWC - my question is why do people on this site have to be just so aggressive??? It's like the bully-boys are trying to take over - instead of any kind of reasoned or rational approach to any issue, you just get leapt upon, with people insulting you, calling you offensive names - if anyone joins this site on the premise that they enjoy writing - then they better get up to speed with the rules and regs pretty damn fast or they are in for a pretty good verbal kicking for any mistakes they make.


Mate I suggest you toughen up a bit. I have not called you any offensive names or insulted you. I said there are people who are leeches by not contributing, that is hardly calling you offesnive names. You enjoy writing, great. We all do. Do you think it is fair for someone to write something and have everyone offer their time to read it and for that person to not read anything in return? If you are put off from entering another OWC because of this then perhaps you aren't cut out to be a writer because you will cop a lot worse than this, trust me. So stop taking everything so personally and just look at the issue I am actually talking about. Now that you are aware how it works, it is not too late to comment on the scripts of people who read yours.

Cheers,
Tim.
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