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Who else is excited for this? The original, although extremely dated and cheesy as hell, will always hold a special place in my heart, but this new adaptation looks absolutely amazing. I saw the 4 minute preview that is being shown in theaters with the new Annabelle and holy shit is all I can say! Penny wise is absolutely terrifying!
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Yeah I can't wait. I'm currently rereading It for about the 5th time in preparation. About 200 pages to go.

I really don't want to get my hopes up though.


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I have everything crossed, the trailers/footage released so far look great!


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Still think this needs to be done as a mini series ala GOT keeping the 50's parts in. This new one looks ok but...i dunno.

The book is still my favorite of all time and an incredibly awesome read



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I purchased the book and began reading it (for the first time) and while it is extremely well written, (it's Stephen King, duh lol) - it's just so...damn...long... and I just can't bring myself to continue reading, as much as I want to. But I still can't get over how amazing this movie looks. And for those that have seen the 4 minute sneak preview with Georgie and Pennywise...holy shit. You should know exactly what I'm talking about. This Pennywise is going to be absolutely terrifying.
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reading the book and not the script?
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Anyone seen this yet? I'm going tomorrow night, can't wait!!! Heard nothing but good reviews, also it's expected to open with 65-70 million, holy shit!
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Yeah saw it opening night. Absolutely loved it. Do wish there were a few more particular scenes from the book but I think they did it justice.

Won't give anything away, but it's definitely worth a watch on the big screen.


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Saw it at a midnight screening Thurs/Fri and like Warren loved it... think it's a good adaptation, the cast are great and it's genuinely scary in places... Tim Curry is a better Pennywise (imho) but this one is a played a little differently so it doesn't detract from the film.

Looking forward to Chapter 2!


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I loved it. I never read the book but I loved how they had the conflict between the nerds and the rough boys and around the clown thing. Love a horror story that has layers like that. I loved the bondage between a brother looking for his missing brother and not giving up on finding him alive. I loved the girl character in this movie. I thought she did a GREAT job. Great dialogue throughout and the clown was as creepy as could be!
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I loved it. I loved the bondage!


Sounds like something worth checking out.

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Sounds like something worth checking out.



Stuck inside during hurricane with nothing to do...hmmm.  


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IT was good, but definitely not great. Very excessive in multiple ways and a bit too heavy handed. Also, it's not very scary. Oh and it's marred by some dodgy CGI. The kids are great though (especially Sophia Lillis and Jeremy Ray Taylor).

And in regards to "that" scene which they removed from the film, I'm glad it wasn't included but I can kind of see where it's coming from. Granted, it didn't need to be so excessive (a simple kiss would have sufficed) but it's not completely out of left field.

Overall, a C+ for me.


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Just saw IT last night and absolutely loved it! I was genuinely creeped out by Pennywise and some of the scenes were legitimately disturbing, one of the very few horror movies that has actually managed to scare me! Also, just found out this is now expected to make over $100 million this weekend alone, well deserved and well worth all the hype, IMO. Studios need to take notes because this is how horror should be done. A+ from me. This one is going to be very hard to beat in terms of actual scares/horror.
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And in regards to "that" scene which they removed from the film, I'm glad it wasn't included but I can kind of see where it's coming from. Granted, it didn't need to be so excessive (a simple kiss would have sufficed) but it's not completely out of left field.


Not sure if this is in response to what I said but just to be clear, I don’t think that scene needed to be in the film, I'm not sure it even needed to be in the book.

BOOK SPOILERS – maybe

I meant more of Patrick Hockstetter's scenes, that was some creepy shit. Also a slightly more developed relationship between Beverly and her father, especially the chase scene between the two of them. The door into It’s lair would have been a nice touch as well and some of It’s other kills that are written as interludes in the book.

I also do kind of wish they kept the original time period.

Other than that, not much to complain about.





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Not sure if this is in response to what I said but just to be clear, I don’t think that scene needed to be in the film, I'm not sure it even needed to be in the book.

BOOK SPOILERS – maybe

I meant more of Patrick Hockstetters scenes, that was some creepy shit. Also a slightly more developed relationship between Beverly and her father, especially the chase scene between the two of them. The door into It’s lair would have been a nice touch as well and some of It’s other kills that are written as interludes in the book.

I also do kind of wish they kept the original time period.

Other than that, not much to complain about.




I disagree about the original time period. I'm glad they changed it, it's going to be very interesting to see the adults story in 2016. Can't wait to see how it'll all play out. And I understand why they did that as well. The original time period 27 years later, matched up to when the book/miniseries came out. With this new version, it needed an update.
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Everyone understands why they did it, it's all over the internet. Still think the 50s would have been better. Makes it creepier in my mind for some reason. And I think moving the timeline forward adds nothing at all to the story other than being able to say that 27 years ago... blah, blah, blah, who cares.

You also said you couldn't get through the book so how do you know it needs an update? Unless you mean based on the original series, well then obviously that is dated, but I still think the 50s would have been better. I'm interested to hear what other book readers think.



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Everyone understands why they did it, it's all over the internet. Still think the 50s would have been better. Makes it creepier in my mind for some reason. And I think moving the timeline forward adds nothing at all to the story other than being able to say that 27 years ago... blah, blah, blah, who cares.

You also said you couldn't get through the book so how do you know it needs an update?


I was referring to the timeline when I said it needed an update lol... and yeah you're right, it doesn't make a difference or add nothing to the story. So it being set in the 50s still, IMO, does nothing, so I liked that they moved it forward.  
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Quoted from Warren
Everyone understands why they did it, it's all over the internet. Still think the 50s would have been better. Makes it creepier in my mind for some reason. And I think moving the timeline forward adds nothing at all to the story other than being able to say that 27 years ago... blah, blah, blah, who cares.

You also said you couldn't get through the book so how do you know it needs an update? Unless you mean based on the original series, well then obviously that is dated, but I still think the 50s would have been better. I'm interested to hear what other book readers think.


Yep I'm gonna sit this one out until a proper version is done - a mini series of 8 to 10 episodes is needed to do the book justice, and keeping it in the 50's/80's as in the book. No cutting of any major scenes as well.

Perps who are new to IT need to know that IT isn't just Pennywise, a creepy old clown. IT is Frankenstein, the Wolfman, Dracula, Rodan, The Creeping Eye, The Fly, Jaws, etc. The manifestation of your deepest fears which IT feeds on.

The Lord of the Rings also needs to be done as a gritty mini series as well, ala GOT as the Jackson films while very good, are marred by the Hollywood popcorn treatment



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Yep I'm gonna sit this one out until a proper version is done - a mini series of 8 to 10 episodes is needed to do the book justice, and keeping it in the 50's/80's as in the book. No cutting of any major scenes as well.

Perps who are new to IT need to know that IT isn't just Pennywise, a creepy old clown. IT is Frankenstein, the Wolfman, Dracula, Rodan, The Creeping Eye, The Fly, Jaws, etc. The manifestation of your deepest fears which IT feeds on.

The Lord of the Rings also needs to be done as a gritty mini series as well, ala GOT as the Jackson films while very good, are marred by the Hollywood popcorn treatment


IT isn't just a clown in the new movie, fyi. Just saying. And what's the big deal with keeping it in the 50/80s? What's that have to do with anything? And in all honesty, if you're waiting for a movie (any movie) to be a word for word straight up adaptation of its original work, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life, because no movie/series ever is... and why should it be? You need to bring SOMETHING new to it, in order to stay fresh/be surprised.
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In the book it has everything to do with everything, it's a big part of how the kids interact with their parents, and how the Bower's gang interacts with the losers club, especially Mike. They left most of that out of the movie so it doesn't matter in the sense that you are saying. It matters because personally I think for lovers of the book, something more true to the book would have been nice.

That doesn't mean they did a bad job, it is a great adaptation. I just personally feel, and I think anyone who has read the book will agree, that keeping the original time would have been better as a whole.



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In the books it has everything to do with everything, it's a big part of how the kids interact with their parents, and how the Bower's gang interacts with the losers club, especially Mike. They left most of that out of the movie so it doesn't matter in the sense that you are saying. It matters because personally I think for lovers of the book, something more true to the book would have been nice.

That doesn't mean they did a bad job, it is a great adaptation. I just personally feel, and I think anyone who has read the book will agree, that keeping the original time would have been better as a whole.


I've talked to a ton of people that have read and loved the book, as well as the movie, and not one of them have said anything about the timeline change. But to each their own
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Yeah that's what I said.


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Saw it last night. Never read the book or saw the Tim Curry version. One word: Terrifying. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. The acting and story were great. The kids reminded me of Stand By Me. Beverly gave me Molly Ringwald/Suzanne Vega/Adrienne King vibes. The vintage movie posters and theater marquees (all Warner and/or New Line titles) was a nice touch.

The cinematography was top notch, among the best digital I've seen (and this is coming from a guy who gets giddy over film capture and/or projection). Bill Skarsgård gave a top shelf performance as Pennywise. Of course, I can't rank Tim Curry's performance (a great actor in his own right), but being a fan of that era of horror, Skarsgard probably nailed it.

This adaptation certainly lives up to the hype. A+


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Saw It the other day. I was more or less pleased. The original was stupid as fuck (Tim Curry's performance notwithstanding) so I never felt like the new one had that much of a high bar to reach. I loved the characters and performance and the willingness to put children in so much peril without softening the blow. Think the majority of issues either existed in the book and original film or were basically an over-reliance on cheap, conventional horror tactics. Issues plenty of other films have these days. Overall I think there was enough I liked where I wasn't bothered too much.


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Saw it today.

Didn't like the 1990 version and didn't like this one as well.
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It was OK. Zero scares for me. Ultimately even the kids in the film weren't scared of it, so it's a pretty hard sell to maintain tension when the kids have learnt from point dot that they're more powerful than the enemy.

In my opinion they showed the clown too much. He appeared so often it lost any hope of being frightening. Horror only works when it's unknown Imo. Once revealed all horror dissipates.. It's always just a guy in a suit. They threw the kitchen sink at it trying to make it a little frightening, but it's expectation that is creepy, not the thing itself.

Structurally, I think it would have been better if we'd seen some more kills. Following the main kids all the time gave them an air of invincibility and nerfed any threat from Pennywise. The book didn't have this problem. The threat was constant. Here the film seems to do everything it can to keep the kids alive.

I also felt that I'd seen the film before on Netflix : it was so close to Stranger things, even in terms of casting that I felt I was watching a remake for the first hour.

Great cinematography and production value, but a miss as a horror. It was a fun, Goonies style movie, though.

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Structurally, I think it would have been better if we'd seen some more kills.


The first half of the movie feels like a series of five-six sequences that could pass for individual short films that are tied together just to show off creative scares that aren't even that scary. This is one thing I never like about big budget action/thriller movies, when there's a feeling that the writers sat down and brainstormed individual action sequences/scenes that don't flow together like one whole story in the end but feel like very separate chunks.

The movie did have good cinematography and production values, that I agree with. And the kids were good. However it was predictable, cliche, wasn't scary and didn't flow for me. Made a shit-load of money though, so good for them.
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I'm just throwing this out here, but just to clarify, IT (2017) is not a remake of the 1990 "film". Just thought I'd bring it up since I'm a little nitpick. But IT 2017 is simply another adaptation of the novel... again, not a remake. in fact, the 1990 "film" wasn't even a film at all, it was a miniseries. Just throwing that out there. :p
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I doubt there's anyone in the world that doesn't know it was a book.
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I doubt there's anyone in the world that doesn't know it was a book.


You'd be surprised lol

But I was mainly referring to those calling this new movie a remake of the 1990 miniseries, when in fact, it's not... at all... lol.
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I imagine quite a lot of people around the mid-twenties may not have realised 'It' was a book. Why would they? It was good back in the 80s, but these days we need something better. He wouldn't write shit like that today.

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Finally got around to seeing this today.

I read the novel many years ago, but had little memory of it, as it just wasn't a favorite for me.  I don't recall the 1990 mini series, but pretty much knew the story here.

Other than the excellent opening, I was not impressed at all, sorry to say.  Just way too much material to over in a 2 hour and 20 minute film, and because of that, the structure didn't work for me at all.

I also agree that there were very few real scares and many missed opportunities, but considering how shockingly well this has done at the BO, I'm sure everyone involved is just laughing their asses off all the way to the bank and back home again.

I think the movie is well done and well acted, and also meant well to deliver a solid adaptation of the King novel, but for me, it was a misfire, and actually quite slow and dull.  There was never any real concern for anyone, as "It" just didn't seem to be all that scary or even powerful (again, other than in the opening).

Highly doubtful I will be checking out the sequel at the theater.

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Highly doubtful I will be checking out the sequel at the theater.


Would it be considered a sequel considering it is just the rest of the actual original story? They just split the child and adult timeline as opposed to how it is intertwined in the book.


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Would it be considered a sequel considering it is just the rest of the actual original story? They just split the child and adult timeline as opposed to how it is intertwined in the book.


An interesting question is, will the sequel have kids in it, as main characters?

Considering they did so well with kids in the main roles, they might be scared to change the main characters to adults and lose a large chunk of the audience this movie brought in.
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I read somewhere that it would be the adult part of the story but with extra flashbacks to the kids so that those characters would return.

Can’t remember where I read it though so probably just speculation.


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True, not an actual sequel, but the "2nd part" of the novel, where the kids are all adults, 27 years later.

On IMDB, there is alot of info about this, even who the kid actors would like to see playing their adult role.  Jessica Chastain appears to be pegged for the adult girl role.
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On IMDB, there is alot of info about this, even who the kid actors would like to see playing their adult role.  Jessica Chastain appears to be pegged for the adult girl role.


The adult version should be Molly Ringwald. She's 9 years older than the character but come on; she's the obvious choice.
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Finally got around to seeing this today.

I read the novel many years ago, but had little memory of it, as it just wasn't a favorite for me.  I don't recall the 1990 mini series, but pretty much knew the story here.

Other than the excellent opening, I was not impressed at all, sorry to say.  Just way too much material to over in a 2 hour and 20 minute film, and because of that, the structure didn't work for me at all.

I also agree that there were very few real scares and many missed opportunities, but considering how shockingly well this has done at the BO, I'm sure everyone involved is just laughing their asses off all the way to the bank and back home again.

I think the movie is well done and well acted, and also meant well to deliver a solid adaptation of the King novel, but for me, it was a misfire, and actually quite slow and dull.  There was never any real concern for anyone, as "It" just didn't seem to be all that scary or even powerful (again, other than in the opening).

Highly doubtful I will be checking out the sequel at the theater.

Grade - C-


Pretty much agree with this.

A problem for me was " I know all these kids are gonna live" so there is no threat. If they killed the black kid and the Jewish kid (why not -- hardly in the film anyway) that might have spruced things up a little.

I'm just not that bothered about clowns, they don't scare me, so when I see some CGI thing running at the screen, dancing or a bazillion jump scares that I know are gonna result in nothing consequential, it's all about seeing it through.

I thought the kids were good, for sure. Great acting, and I HATE kids in films. Especially horror movies -- you know they stuck some grot in there to try and grab your emotion. Hate kids in horror films, usually don't watch them because it is a deliberate ploy.

I sat through the whole thing with someone who had also seen the "original" IT ( I know it's a book, miniseries,  and it's not a remake) and we thought -- it was alright. Weak.

Week later,  I can't remeber a thing about it. Was the Leper scene really that great? I thought it looked terrible. The headless guy in the library? I must see that again cos I missed when it got scary. What else...

Pennywise! Yeah! That CGI thing that has people float... and when you pull them down and kiss them they just recover.  Power of love and all that.

I preffered the miniseries not even showing the moment, really did not need to see a bunch of kids floating about. Just looked silly to me. We all float down here could just mean limbs in sewer water. disgusting things of that nature. No need to really show what IT is doing.

I also thought it was tonally off. but then I thought it was deliberate -- trying to do something new and different. I admire that, it did keep me interested until the break up and then it was a case of "ffs. here's the mid point break up scene" and yup, they all broke up only to rejoin again and defeat sometyhing that was pretty useless at killing people in the first place.






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