Haha, nah mate, just can't be arsed with the back and forward and let's face it, this ain't your first rodeo and it's not like we haven't been here before. Rather than shouting at an apparent wall of confused Internet anger I think its best I let someone else clarify the rights and wrongs. Oh, and also the required balls, as I am thoroughly confused about that point, need pointers clearly.

If you're in the right then I guess you've got nothing to worry about, I'll let the website police take it from here. Genuinely interested to see their stance.

Quoted from Mr. Blonde What's acceptable is being respectful, regardless of differences of opinion. Unacceptable? The opposite. See, there's a massive difference between being nice and being respectful. Nice is a state of mind. It's a part of who a person is. But, respect? That's all in how people deal with each other. You can respect someone or something you don't like. Doing so says a lot more about the sender than the receiver. I don't really care what went on before. That doesn't matter to me because it's already done. Each person has currently had their say. Say it respectfully or don't say it at all. Goes for everyone involved, equally.

Nothing? Can you clarify if the above is hunky dory? I mean I'm really trying not to lose it here. But unless I get some actual feedback about what's allowed and what is not I'm offski, yet another victim of a Jeff rant (we all know there's been more than one).

The website I joined wasn't the sort of place where individuals could do and say whatever they want, and you just lump it, and for one to just be allowed to do and say anything they want (likely because they're on here a couple of times a day) seems off. I'll give it an hour, some workable feedback on what folk are getting up to would be beneficial to move forward.

Quoted from Cameron If you're in the right then I guess you've got nothing to worry about, I'll let the website police take it from here. Genuinely interested to see their stance.

And if I'm in the wrong for calling out a wee little lad who keeps calling the powers that be, I can only hide my head in fear and hope that the Magic of Christmas comes to my side.

Quoted from Cameron Nothing? Can you clarify if the above is hunky dory? I mean I'm really trying not to lose it here. But unless I get some actual feedback about what's allowed and what is not I'm offski, yet another victim of a Jeff rant (we all know there's been more than one). The website I joined wasn't the sort of place where individuals could do and say whatever they want, and you just lump it, and for one to just be allowed to do and say anything they want (likely because they're on here a couple of times a day) seems off. I'll give it an hour, some workable feedback on what folk are getting up to would be beneficial to move forward.

A Jeff rant?  Huh?  Cam, you're the one who started this whole thing, calling out Dustin over a review he posted.

How is this all about me, now?  Really?

I missed the original offending post. I've been running errands all morning until just now. I still have no idea what it was unless it was Dustin calling a script a pile of shite. If that's the case, then I would have to say that I've seen worse. IMO, comments like that say more about the reviewer than anyone/anything else. What is not allowed is personal insults. Sometimes people bake insults into their script reviews which makes things tricky for us because we don't like to edit posts.

Quoted from Cameron The website I joined wasn't the sort of place where individuals could do and say whatever they want.

I've been here since Sep 2005. Trust me, SS is quite tame these days. Back in the day, people used to compare Moviepoet and SS by saying, MP is like having tea in a fancy place and SS is more of a roadhouse. Brawls happen. Nothing has changed in that regard.

So the above is fine then Pia? Wow, right, I know you're mates with Jeff but seroiusly? I really can't be bothered any more of the general acceptance of crap behaviour on behalf of the few massive bellends on the feeds (guess that terminology is allowed). Dustin should know better, at least the lad also knows how to write a script, but to put off newbies and get rid of oldies by just tolerating this sort of stuff is obviously detrimental to the whole ethos and appeal of the site.

I'm off to delete my account shortly. Don, you're a legend (I'll email later to apologise and explain properly), I owe every single bit of my vague successes on iTunes podcast charts and options to you, also there are plenty of other amazing folk around here too. Message us on Script Revo or email if you want a blether.

Best of luck tolerating the f***wits, you really shouldn't have to.

Cam oot

Quoted from Cameron So the above is fine then Pia?

The above what? You and Jeff squabbling or Dustin calling a script a pile of shite?

Jeff and I are mates? I try to be nice to everyone and keep things calm here.

Unless I missed something here, I think you're overreacting a little bit. What specifically are you so upset about? Send me quotes from the offending words and tell me which post # it is and I'll look into it further, but from what I've seen so far it had to do with Dustin's comment on a script and then you and Jeff arguing.

I'm not sure what the big deal is here, either.

The back "and forward", as Cam likes to say, was extremely tame.

The bigger issue I took, was that Cam was also calling me out in his original post, questioning Dustin's feedback, by saying something or other about a certain other someone (me, obviously).

Is there somewhere we can go and input what Cam has written so we have a clue what he's trying to say?  Does anyone understand all the gibberish?  I sure don't.

Also, for anyone here. If there is a member you don't like, your life will be instantly more peaceful if you block that person. You won't see their posts anymore. Easy. Try it.  

Since the authors of these OWC's are anonymous, I doubt Dustin or whoever's comments were anything personal, they were just expressing opinions. I didn't see the original comment, so I'm not sure if it was constructive or not, but if you're going to publicly post something, you're opening yourself up for criticism -- some you're not going to like. Some of it might not seem helpful in the eyes of the writer and others, but that's just how it is. Trust me, I've had my differences with commenters previously on this site and fired back in defense. And I'll admit, I probably took some things a little too personal -- us writers are sensitive creatures and I was probably a little too sensitive at the time. Also, I don't like to see newer writers share something and then get discouraged and run off and, in some cases, just give up on writing. BUT... screenwriting isn't for everybody. When I first started waaayyy back in 2003, EVERYONE said my work was shit (on many screenwriting sites). Some were nicer, some were really mean. And yeah, there might have been some name calling, etc. But I never let it stop me from improving. I got tired of people calling my writing shit, so I wanted to improve. Now, not quite as many people say my writing is shit lol.

I look at this way: I'm sure we've seen movies that were pure shit before and we've expressed that publicly (social media, websites like this, message boards, etc) -- and without saying exactly what the writers and filmmakers can improve upon for their next project. Yes, I know a film is a finished product and everyone pretty much got paid, but if you think writing a screenplays is hard, making a film is a million times harder, even the really shitty ones. People put their hearts and souls into these movies and then they go online and read comments and critiques calling their movies shit and it can be crushing, much more crushing than a comment on a screenwriting site. I remember my first film got a pretty shitty review on Roger Ebert dot com and I was super depressed over it. I actually contacted the critic while I was drunk and said "Thanks for ruining my career" lol. Yeah, a little immature of me. He was actually really nice about it and I apologized. It was after all, my first film and I really wanted it to launch my career. But there were enough good reviews from well known critics to help ease the blow. And, after a few years, you see message board comments that completely hated the film, calling it shit. But it becomes less of a big deal. And I never let the reviews discourage me to the point that I'd stop trying to write movies and get them made. Yes, "mean" comments can be annoying -- and the writer has every right to defend themselves and others. And I can see how THAT can be annoying to the commenter. It's just the way it is. Just know that not all of the comments will be quite as harsh -- it always evens out. Yes, I know people are doing this for fun and harsh comments can kinda dampen the fun for them -- but I also play basketball for fun. And if I'm like 0-10 from the field, people are gonna talk some shit and say some fucked up things. I'm not gonna take my ball and go home (unless someone pulls out a gun lol).

If you're going to get in the ring and post your work publicly, get ready to take some punches and learn from them. But the commenters should also expect some counter-punching. Just as long as nobody's biting each other's ears and punching each other in the dick. That way, when the final bell rings, you can shake hands and respect each other in the end. Just my opinion.

In regards to the actual entries, I'm gonna find time to read more over the week. I did enjoy the ones I've read so far.

-- Michael

Quoted from Cameron I do hope someone up top steps in to clarify if we should just expect this sort of thing when we enter the OWC.

To some extent.

Just like some people are bad writers, some people are shitty reviewers.

One should complain if stuff gets out of hand.  I mean, that's the whole point of the mod thing. But there is also something to be said for just ignoring a shitty review and moving on.

I haven't deleted anything, btw.  Takes a lot for me to do that anymore.

Quoted from DustinBowcot I'm not going to be reviewing any more scripts as Libby decided to delete an entire review for calling a story, where a 5-year-old girl is unnecessarily murdered, total shite. I stand by what I wrote and how I feel about the story. However, as my posts are going to be deleted at whim, I see no point in reviewing anymore. So, that's why you'll see I have entered a script but not reviewed every one like I ordinarily would. I didn't want to leave without explaining the reasons why.

Dustin, most of your review was fine, but imho the last line was totally unnecessary and could have been phrased a lot better. I drew the line at what I interpreted as verging on cruel.

FYI: Us Mods have had a policy previously that we delete an offending thread in entirety, rather than edit a person's words which can be dicey. We might review this MO.

If I delete an entire post I always copy it, giving the person who posted it the option of editing it themselves later and reposting it.

Let's be clear too.
I PMd you before deleting it.
I asked you kindly to edit it for diplomacy.
You either ignored my request or perhaps you didn't see it.

In the interim Cam voiced his strong opinion and some others agreed. I could see things might start to degrade on the thread. I was not in the loop with any further comments until I woke up this morning.

I had to get to bed and so I made the decision the post should be removed, at least temporarily.

I stand by my decision.

I do not arbitrarily, or on a whim, go around deleting people's posts.

I hope we can all just chill out now.
And I hope Cam returns.

P.S. I doubt it, but how ironic it would be if you were posting in a self-deprecating way on your own script. Probably not but the thought just occurred to me...

Quoted from LC P.S. I doubt it, but how ironic it would be if you were posting in a self-deprecating way on your own script. Probably not but the thought just occurred to me...

It happens...alot, actually.  A good way to throw others off your scent.

Did A Christmas Carol - Remastered just get yanked? I just commented on it and now it's gone. Strange...