Quoted from eldave1 Okay.  I will clarify exactly how I feel. I will view all if your work with an open mind. Especially easy in OWCs since they are anonymous. I am generally okay with the points you make in your reviews of other scripts with noted exceptions on some technical differences we have. However I think your criticisms are expressed way too harshly sometimes.  I think you should change that.  but obviously your prerogative. I really did not like your inferences of cheating,  score rigging, etc in this contest . They were uncalled for and beneath you. And if you do think there were shenanigans- best handled with a PM to Don. Like me and most every other writer., I don't think you evaluate your work objectively.  I don't either for my scripts.  However,  when there is a disconnect between how you view your scripts versus how others do, you go off the rails a bit. Well,  in this OWC that is. I think you must be tired or fatigued or whatever because your comments in this OWC have evolved from biting to mean spirited. That is what I think.  Conveyed sincerely and with no I'll intention.

Understood.  Look at the piling on.  Look at your own ganging up.  I'll get to your post ASAP, but we both know that I can very easily respond to every single point you made, and when I made a mistake, I will own up to it, as I always do.

You're not in this comp, but you want to be the "level headed approach to reason", yet you lash out with the same BS as a few other wanna be wolves.

You're a great writer, and you know the BS nits you and others are reaching for are pathetic and weak, at best.

Seriously, you want me gone?  You want these shitty scripts to take praise?  You want to continue to BS everyone about how great they are?  C'mon, man.  You know better...I know you do.

Jeff, it was just a taste of your own medicine. Nothing personal!

We have to experience this on every thread! Lol.

Quoted from LC Bummer Dave, the one time Jeff keeps a low profile, changes his M.O. and doesn't lavish his own script with praise.

That was funny. I read that last night and went to bed holding Jeff a little more highly in my estimation. Touche!

Quoted from DustinBowcot That was funny. I read that last night and went to bed holding Jeff a little more highly in my estimation. Touche!

Yes - it was quite the clever ruse - well played, IMO

Quoted from Dreamscale Understood.  Look at the piling on.  Look at your own ganging up.

Hmm. I think I have to plead guilty here.  

Thinking honestly about it, I'd probably would not have responded at all in this thread if I wasn't so angry about the very rude post that you wrote. Of course, as it turns out you posted that on your own script (clever - well played). So, while I think my actual comments on your script were valid, I'll agree that my motivation was less than noble. I apologize for that.

Quoted Text I'll get to your post ASAP, but we both know that I can very easily respond to every single point you made, and when I made a mistake, I will own up to it, as I always do.

No need to.  Save the effort.

You've already responded to the core issues I raised in response to similar issues in  posts made by other readers.  The key issues are subjective anyway -  it's your script, so keep as you wish.

As a note, I don't think you always own up to your mistakes - it strikes me that you defend some when you probably would not defend those mistakes made by other writers.  The reason you're getting hit hard here, especially on the technical stuff,  as that you have an established pattern of blistering other OWC contestants for making similar format and typo errors and doing so in over the top manner.

Quoted Text You're not in this comp, but you want to be the "level headed approach to reason", yet you lash out with the same BS as a few other wanna be wolves.

I am not in the comp - correct. I don't mind being level-headed. I view that as a compliment.

Your point about being "level- headed"  not being consistent with piling on is valid.  I think my behavior is hypocritical. I apologized for that up front. But I do blame you as well - you have been such an arse in this OWC you've brought at the worst in me. So, guilty with an explanation.

Quoted Text You're a great writer, and you know the BS nits you and others are reaching for are pathetic and weak, at best.

First - thanks. Second, no - I disagree. I think the subjective issues are valid. But again - do with them what you will.  

In terms of the nit issues - you can't see that they're there because your reviews of other scripts are filled with them???? i.e., peeps are trying to point out the irony here - e.g., all of a sudden an error's not  important if it doesn't take up an extra line?? When have you applied that same standard to others??

Quoted Text Seriously, you want me gone?  You want these shitty scripts to take praise?   You want to continue to BS everyone about how great they are?  C'mon, man.  You know better...I know you do.

And this kind of encapsulates the whole issue in one paragraph.

No, I don't want you gone. I want you to change.

Look at what you just did - while taking umbrage with how your script is being treated, you categorize others as shitty scripts and those who liked them as bull-shitters.  The hypocrisy is over whelming.

You de-railed this OWC with your allegations of cheating. Christ - you called Libby out for this without a shred of evidence. You shit all over this thing and you're shocked when people come after you for it??? It's amazes me that you don't see the connection.

Oh - and I want you to be less cruel in your own reviews.  Other wise you'll look like a wannabe wolf and someone who piles on when not needed.  I know now that you think those things are bad - so live the standard, mate.  You'll be better for it.

Dave, I'm not the only one who is saying or has said, based on the parameters, the vast majority are not good scripts...and I still stand by that.

At best, writers have a total of 72 hours to create, write, and submit a script.  With sleep, life in general, and work, how much time does that give most?  Very little.

So, we have parameters that are forced and "silly" mostly, little time, and from some little effort.  This combination is not a blueprint for great scripts.

It's just not, and the majority of the scripts' quality shows.

Quoted from Dreamscale Dave, I'm not the only one who is saying or has said, based on the parameters, the vast majority are not good scripts...and I still stand by that. At best, writers have a total of 72 hours to create, write, and submit a script.  With sleep, life in general, and work, how much time does that give most?  Very little. So, we have parameters that are forced and "silly" mostly, little time, and from some little effort.  This combination is not a blueprint for great scripts. It's just not, and the majority of the scripts' quality shows.

Agree that tight deadlines and parameters are going to inherently yield less quality scripts than broad parameters and tons of time. But so....? It's the nature of the beast isn't it?

AND...It doesn't mean that by definition that the top-rated scripts are inherently bad. AND...I'd guess several folks viewed these scripts in the context of the tight parameters in which they had to be written - I am cool with that. Also cool with those who didn't. Kind of readers' choice as far as I'm concerned.

I read two of the top three from round two (Rats of a Feather and Coming up Roses).  Thought they were both well written and I enjoyed them both. They were deserving. On Roses, I would have struggled with whether or not it met the criteria. I don't think it did and was relieved that I didn't have to vote because I otherwise really liked it. Did not read Dating in a New World. But the two I read were by no means shitty and did not lead me to believe that their placement in the top two were the results of anything other than the readers opinion of the scripts.

In terms of effort - I won't weigh in as I haven't a clue how much effort a writer puts into any particular script. A poor one could have been 100%, three days of dedication and a good one could have been blown out in a half hour. Who really knows.

Rats of a Feather was a good script.  Not great by any means, but definitely a top 2 effort here.

Quoted from Dreamscale Rats of a Feather was a good script.  Not great by any means, but definitely a top 2 effort here.

I'm crammed now. Hopefully I'll find time sooner or later to get to them all.