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Warren
Posted: June 19th, 2019, 5:09pm Report to Moderator
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Thanks all, appreciated. It was a fun script to write.

It is slightly funny to me, a self-proclaimed horror writer, that both times I've made it to the top of a list it's been for rom-coms. I should probably take the hint.

Congrats, Libby. Aussie for the 1 and 2

I'm not sure Scar needs any congrats, he does enough of his own back-patting on every and any thread he can


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Warren
Posted: June 19th, 2019, 5:15pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from DustinBowcot


Warren just seems unfazed by it all. Must be his army training. He could go another ten rounds.


Oh how I wish this was true. This tournament is brutal, fun but brutal.

I remember something you said years ago about how when you get an OWC right it’s the best thing ever but when you get it wrong, look out (paraphrasing). I definitely feel the pressure of trying to stay in the upper half of the scorecard. I generally don’t sleep well during an OWC, this is 5 weeks of OWC’s back to back. I’m going to need a holiday after this.




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DustinBowcot
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I actually agree with Jeff in that the script did cheat the challenge. I switched off on it for that reason. I would have scored it very low on everything (undeservedly so) just for trying to trick me. But others have their own minds and I'm sure Libby hasn't cheated. The writers voting were mostly being generous with criteria as was kinda mass agreed by all through posts on the boards.

So, I think this is where the wobble is coming from. It's not a cheating conspiracy, it's a psychological thing.
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I should clarify that by 'cheat the challenge' I meant not have the story set in a sewer.
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Dave (and everyone else), I'm not going to apologize for anything I said, that I truly believe.  I do apologize for upsetting everyone, pissing them off, offending them, etc.

Going back to my original comments about the scoring and placement of scripts, I completely stand by what I said.  I was literally shocked when I read down the list.  As I read it over a few times, I saw a script I couldn't even remember, sitting in 2nd place, so I opened it up, read my feedback, read all the other feedback,  and then reread the entire script.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how it's possible this script was deemed to be the 2nd best of the bunch.  For the most part, feedback was not overly positive - yeah, 2 peeps said it was either their favorite or a top 3, but there was much feedback about the fact that it didn't even meet the requirements of the challenge.

And, it didn't.  The meat of the story had nothing at all to do with a sewer, and was told through a Flashback of talking heads, with a whistle inserted simply to show that time was up for each individual "speed date".

How this ended up with the 2nd highest scores just screams that something is wrong...wrong with the scoring system, wrong with the actual voting.  And this is my point - it makes ZERO sense this could come out in 2nd place.

I don't care who wrote the script.  What I do care about is that at best, it was a middle of the road entry that should have received a 1 in meeting the criteria.

That's all I care to say at this point.


You hated both the 2nd and 3rd place finishers.  Obviously you are out of touch with the majority of writers.  That is no reason to imply shenanigans on anyone 's part. It's inappropriate and definitely counter to the spirit of this site. You should apologize.  I recognize you won't.


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Quoted from DustinBowcot
I actually agree with Jeff in that the script did cheat the challenge. I switched off on it for that reason. I would have scored it very low on everything (undeservedly so) just for trying to trick me. But others have their own minds and I'm sure Libby hasn't cheated. The writers voting were mostly being generous with criteria as was kinda mass agreed by all through posts on the boards.

So, I think this is where the wobble is coming from. It's not a cheating conspiracy, it's a psychological thing.


I agree with the parameter issue and said so in my review
I detest the implication by Jeff that there was something nefarious going on.


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Scar Tissue Films
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Reading that script's thread it's clear what happened...almost everyone sort of liked it and so would have given reasonable scores. Then a few people really liked it. So from a solid base it rose up in averages.

Like Dave said, one of the key strategies if you're trying to get the top spot is to not piss anybody off so that you get low scores, because one low and one great score is the same as two OK scores.

I feel bad for Libby. She should have been allowed to celebrate the monumental achievement of relegating me to third without all of this coming up. Haha.
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You hated both the 2nd and 3rd place finishers.  Obviously you are out of touch with the majority of writers.  That is no reason to imply shenanigans on anyone 's part. It's inappropriate and definitely counter to the spirit of this site. You should apologize.  I recognize you won't.


"Hate" is a strong word, Dave.

And, to say that I'm out of touch with the mindset of "the majority of writers" is also unfounded. Maybe this set of 20 writers, sure, that seems to be a fair statement, but not the majority of all writers.

I don't follow the herd.  I don't climb on bandwagons.  I'm not the Emperor with his new clothes, or lack of clothes.  I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

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I agree with the parameter issue and said so in my review
I detest the implication by Jeff that there was something nefarious going on.


Well, let's just remember that in last year's Writer's Tournament, there was something very nefarious going on, and when you see scores like we're seeing, it leads me to believe something "wrong" must be going on.

And let's all be clear and honest here.  I know for a fact that some peeps tell their buddies what they wrote.  That influences scoring.  There's no way around this.  It's fact.

Then you have peeps saying straight out they skimmed the script because of this or that, and that is not going to lead to a good score.

Finally, you have peeps who actually read a script, but decide not to score it for some strange reason.

As I said earlier, I just wish we could see the actual scores to figure out what exactly is going on...because something is definitely going on.

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Quoted from Dreamscale


"Hate" is a strong word, Dave.

And, to say that I'm out of touch with the mindset of "the majority of writers" is also unfounded. Maybe this set of 20 writers, sure, that seems to be a fair statement, but not the majority of all writers.

I don't follow the herd.  I don't climb on bandwagons.  I'm not the Emperor with his new clothes, or lack of clothes.  I calls 'em as I sees 'em.



Okay. Disliked rather than hate.

Of course I didn't mean all writers. I meant these writers.

Calling them as you see them isn't a virtue if you're wrong.


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Calling them as you see them isn't a virtue if you're wrong.


I'm not wrong.

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Quoted from eldave1


Okay. Disliked rather than hate.

Of course I didn't mean all writers. I meant these writers.

Calling them as you see them isn't a virtue if you're wrong.


Conjecture is not facts. If you have evidence- present it.


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Jeff,

It is abundantly clear that you are out of step with the opinions of other writer's on this site, these scripts are not being reviewed anywhere else by any other writer's so who else could Dave mean.

You are never wrong in your own mind, which must be great for you, but twenty other (mostly better) writer's on here seem to constantly disagree with you.

Does that not give you the slightest, tiniest, pause for thought?


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Jeff,

It is abundantly clear that you are out of step with the opinions of other writer's on this site, these scripts are not being reviewed anywhere else by any other writer's so who else could Dave mean.

You are never wrong in your own mind, which must be great for you, but twenty other (mostly better) writer's on here seem to constantly disagree with you.

Does that not give you the slightest, tiniest, pause for thought?


Definitely 20 better writers here!  Hundreds of better writers, if you take all of SS into account.

Yeah, I guess I was wrong...on all my feedback.  These are top notch scripts, solid efforts, from damn solid writers.  Not sure what I was even thinking entering this, knowing that 19 or so of the writers would be capable of writing 5.0 score scripts.

I'm just so proud of myself for not being in 20th position after 2 rounds.  Things must be looking up, and if I could just copy all the mistakes on display and come up with the same type of mostly completely ludicrous stories and plotting, I think I can be a better writer.

I just need some mentors.  Anthony, I think you and I have an awful lot in common...will you help me?  Help me to be a better writer and a better all around person?  I'd really appreciate it.

Let me know, bro.  Thanks in advance!!

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I don't understand what's worth fighting over in this round. While there was some writing talent on display in many of the scripts, none of the stories were worth even thinking about again. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. But this was a writing exercise...useful for that purpose. But with these parameters it was highly unlikely to result in anything worthwhile. And it didn't. We should all just use the notes and move on.
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