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Helio
Posted: December 28th, 2005, 6:46pm Report to Moderator
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I'm here again!

Greg about "I think you should start writing longer things and avoiding posting something new every week. "

I wrote once a feature script to a producer, a European one, that paid me for that, but I really scared about to write long things mainly in English in order to avoid lots of mistakes and wrongs...

The script that I was hired to write, was posted here in this site and is in the Drama Session the title is: OPORTO’S BRIDE.

When I had just a logline (a guy has a dream in his life: to be a bride) and told the producer, he asked me to write this story immediately. It was in 1995/6.

By the way, who knows about a European film named MA VIE EN ROSE directed by Alain Berliner? My story seems to be the same in certain ways.

If you all want to take a look at it, please go and I'm here waiting in the gallows (Helio's Last Moments ) for your critiques!

Helio
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Jonathan Terry
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Some people have said that it's better to go easy on newbs, but what do you consider a newb? A newb to writing or a newb to the site? There are folks who have been submitting poor scripts for over a year and none of them have shown any signs of improvement.  Are they still a newb?  Just curious as to what you guys think.


A newb to me is a newb to screenwritting.  If someone is continually posting scripts and are not improving or show no resolve in correcting grammer/spelling errors, then they deserve to be bashed or recieve no reads.



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dogglebe
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Quoted from Jonathan Terry


A newb to me is a newb to screenwritting.  If someone is continually posting scripts and are not improving or show no resolve in correcting grammer/spelling errors, then they deserve to be bashed or recieve no reads.


Especially if they're cranking them like some people have here.  If you post a script every week, you won't even learn what your mistakes are until after you have three or four scripts posted.  By this point, you have a reputation of someone who ignores criticism.


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Shelton
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Especially if they're cranking them like some people have here. 




I am shamed.



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dogglebe
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I was referring to anyone in particular...you little script cranker!

Actually, I find it amusing/interesting/whatever that some people can write that quickly.  It usually takes me a month to write a fifteen page short.  The only things I wrote quickly are my entry to the Midnight Madness competition and my entry to the previous one week excercise, here.


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George Willson
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We all have different writing speeds and the speed really has no bearing on whether it is good or not. One can turn out script after script and still have quality material. The real key is whether you are learning anything from the criticism you receive.

I know I'm a cranker (Mike, us crankers have got to stick together), but I also read every single review I get and implement most of the changes suggested. Not only do I apply the suggestions to whatever was reviewed, but I also see if those things will apply to other things I do as well. I write because I enjoy writing, and yeah, I've turned out a ton of stuff. However, I like to think that what I do turn out is worth reading and not just a load of crap. I don't tend to finish crap, or if I do, I tend to rewrite it before putting it out there.

Some time ago, I posted a thread in work in progress detailing my writing of one of my scripts. Shameless and self-promotional, of course, but once I declared the script done, it was a month and half before I posted it. Why? Because I wanted to reread it with a fresh mind. I also drove Bert nuts waiting for it, which was also fun.

Whether you write fast or slow is of no consequence. Quality is what really counts. Whether you can turn out 10 scripts of quality in a month or only one in a year, remember, there's only one Oscar for best screenplay per year.


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Shelton
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Ok, so maybe I wasn't exactly shamed, and just looking for a way to show those watching this thread that we all live in fear.  


Quoted from George Willson
I know I'm a cranker (Mike, us crankers have got to stick together), but I also read every single review I get and implement most of the changes suggested. Not only do I apply the suggestions to whatever was reviewed, but I also see if those things will apply to other things I do as well. I write because I enjoy writing, and yeah, I've turned out a ton of stuff. However, I like to think that what I do turn out is worth reading and not just a load of crap. I don't tend to finish crap, or if I do, I tend to rewrite it before putting it out there.



Amen, brother!

I don't know, I guess I'm just a firm believer in the old saying "A writer writes".  In a different world, I too used to finish a script, set it aside for a bit, and then go back to it with the ability to be objective.

I find now that I can not only do that, but I can submit it here in the meantime, where I know that the ones reading it can be objective immediately and offer great feedback.

It's proven a very useful tool for me, since I've not only taken some of your suggestions for strengthening things up, but I've also been able to forge my own ideas from them as well.


Rock on, Simply Scripts, Rock on.



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Alan_Holman
Posted: December 29th, 2005, 3:11am Report to Moderator
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If you think you're script doesn't need improvement, then don't post it here.  Send it straight to Hollywood.  They can use perfect scripts.


That's what I should do!  Okay, I've got a pen, so tell me an address in Hollywood who'll actually take me seriously.  Lately because of a lot of nearby film productions, people have been calling my province in Canada "Hollywood North", but I've tried submitting my scripts to local producers.  I've literally seen them roll their eyes at the word "anime."  I've gotten great reviews here and elsewhere online, but those people don't know that.  Offline, I'm just some undereducated kid who likes cartoons.
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Alan_Holman
Posted: December 29th, 2005, 3:24am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Breanne Mattson


Alan,

You don’t need a spell check program to do a spell check. All you need is a dictionary, something readily available to most people. Surely you’re not suggesting that you can afford three computers but not a dictionary? And if you don’t own one, you can go to the library.

My opinion stands. You have no excuse not to proofread a draft before posting. Period.

You’re not asking me to help people out. You’re asking me to do the work for them and I won’t do it. If you didn’t have spell check, you should have quit being a lazy writer and picked up a dictionary.


When a writer posts a draft that has bad spelling and grammar, that writer is probably more interested in telling their story, and I'd rather have writers who care more about stories, than about spelling and grammar.
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Alan_Holman
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Quoted from dogglebe
Especially if they're cranking them like some people have here.


I crank out new drafts which take into consideration all the criticism I've recieved, and then I hope for more criticism.  I've been doing this for a very long time, and it's working well.  The draft of Banana Chan before the current one which I'm cranking out, had a lot of holes punched into it by criticism, and so I was able to fit a new plot-line into those holes, in the new draft.  And the new plot-line is a romantic plot-line which is totally new, yet I can't imagine that I actually posted drafts of the script before that plot-line was part of the series.  The potential that new criticism might punch holes into the series so that I can fill those holes with new imaginitive stuff, is a potential which excites me, and that's part of the reason why I keep coming back to this site.
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Quoted from George Willson
Some time ago, I posted a thread in work in progress detailing my writing of one of my scripts. Shameless and self-promotional, of course, but once I declared the script done, it was a month and half before I posted it. Why? Because I wanted to reread it with a fresh mind.


So, you didn't just submit your first draft as soon as you finished it.  That's the way it should be.




Quoted from George Willson
I also drove Bert nuts waiting for it, which was also fun.


That's the way it should be, too.




Quoted from George Willson
Whether you write fast or slow is of no consequence. Quality is what really counts. Whether you can turn out 10 scripts of quality in a month or only one in a year, remember, there's only one Oscar for best screenplay per year.


Notice how I used the word 'crank' instead of 'write.'  When you crank something out, you're racing to finish it and submit it.  There's no prize for getting it done in a specific period of time.  Some people just don't realize that.


Phil

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That's what I should do!  Okay, I've got a pen, so tell me an address in Hollywood who'll actually take me seriously.  Lately because of a lot of nearby film productions, people have been calling my province in Canada "Hollywood North", but I've tried submitting my scripts to local producers.  I've literally seen them roll their eyes at the word "anime."  I've gotten great reviews here and elsewhere online, but those people don't know that.  Offline, I'm just some undereducated kid who likes cartoons.


Hollywood doesn't produce anime.  You have to find a studio or production company  that does.  That's all I can say about that.


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Breanne Mattson
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Quoted from Alan_Holman
When a writer posts a draft that has bad spelling and grammar, that writer is probably more interested in telling their story, and I'd rather have writers who care more about stories, than about spelling and grammar.


Good for you. Personally, I don’t see what good it is to write a great story if you can’t effectively communicate it to a reader but if you can write a great story that produces maximum effect with a lot of misspellings and poor grammar, more power to you.

I just want it understood that I never said a writer shouldn’t try to write a great story. I’m just saying that a writer should try to communicate that story with strong communication skills. Spelling and grammar serve a writer and can make a tremendous difference in whether or not you get read.

But if you’re such a good writer as to be able to hook a reader with a lot of misspellings then, hey, you’re a better writer than I am. Me personally, though, I always feel like I want to make things clear to the reader so I care about grammar. Oh well. Guess it’s not for everyone.



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Quoted from Alan_Holman


When a writer posts a draft that has bad spelling and grammar, that writer is probably more interested in telling their story, and I'd rather have writers who care more about stories, than about spelling and grammar.


I'd rather have writers who care about the story and the grammar and the spelling.

As I've said before, when I read a script, I read it like agents and producers and whatnot read thtem.  While an occasional misspelling or grammatical error is acceptable, a lot of them is unforgiveable.  It's distracting to the story and shows that the writer doesn't know what he or she is doing.

I remember when I received notes back from the script doctor regarding 'The Burnout.'  He includes misspellings, typos and grammatical errors.  This is after I corrected the mistakes that the people on the board, here, pointed out.  

Is it possible to clean a script of ALL mistakes?  Probably not.  But if your script has five or more spelling mistakes on the first page, no one is going to care about how much work you put into your story.

And, for the love of God people, check the spelling and grammar on your story synopses.  I've seen them filled with mistakes.  If you can't clean up a simple paragraph, do you think I'm going to want to read 100+ pages of it?


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Alan_Holman
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Of course I prefer good spelling.  Dispite that, I do have a point, and I'd like to debate it further, but my home internet just got disconnected because of a very overdue bill.  Hey, if anyone likes what I've been doing with my BANANA CHAN project, please support the continuation of that project, by going to the site and clicking on one of the paypal buttons or shopping at the online store.

The site:  http://www.geocities.com/radiomovie2002/

It was a long time ago when time constraints -- and other, more immediate problems -- caused me to post mentions of Banana Chan where-ever I could think of an excuse.  Looks like the old days have returned.
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