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My favorite screenwriters have always been directors as well. With the exception of Charlie Kaufman, I've never been a fan of the "big" screenwriters in Hollywood. David Koepp, William Goldman, John August, etc... None of them bad screenwriters. They've definitely written some good scripts but their overall bodies of work aren't spectacular, at least to me (although Goldman's written some major classics). The rest of them never seem to have enough of a body of work to be either recognized or judged. For example, I think Tony Gayton (Murder By Numbers, The Salton Sea) might be a really good screenwriter but all he's done is those two films so I can't really say.
To answer the question of the thread, I'd most certainly rather have nobody know who I am. I'd be much happier simply writing good movies that people enjoy without worrying about who wrote it. Does anyone really want a universally despised name?
I'd rather write a movie that everybody likes but doesn't know who wrote it than a movie that sucks but gets me famous. Obviously I'd take the money over fame, I don't think I'd handle fame to well, I'd get bored too easily.
Check out my scripts...if you want to, no pressure.
You'd think Adam Sandler would give up after all his failed and flawed attempts at Comedy, but you can clearly see he's very comfortable in the spotlight of his medocrity... Same with Seth Rogan and all the other slop dongs he's cast opposite of. That entire brood is so unfunny and so untalented it makes me wonder if they've pondered this very topic.
Since we know most of them "try" to write their own material... I say "try" very loosely too.
As for me, I don't care... if the movie is made and it's good. Great. If it's made and it's bad... fine. Most people don't even know who screenwriters are anyways. The common population of movie goers are so unintelligent that they probably believe the actors are so talented that they simply come up with the story and dialogue on the fly as they work off one another on the screen...
The movie audience are comprised of morons... That's why the "BIG" movies at the box office suck the donkey consistantly... That's also why we have a billion remakes and follow ups too.
Me, myself, I can only ride a roller coaster so many times or visit a wax museum so many times before it looses its appeal... The average movie goer; not so much. Them idiots are lining up to see Twilight 20, Harry Potter 50 and Spider man 10 as we speak...
And for the event they can't get to the movies they have plenty of idiot fuel at home to watch... Operation Repo, Cake Boss, LA INK, The Hills and any and all other reality tv shows back that claim up. Sadly, the same people buy into these shows being real and completely unscripted too...
My point, who needs screenwriters? Just ask Hollywood... They've treated the screenwriter like shit since the inception.
Bert, just as in a previous thread, you have planted an odd - but very amusing - image in my head! I, too, would laugh myself to sleep having written 'Showgirls'!
The satisfaction of having created something, which would have entertained x number of people is what motivates me. I think of the reverence I feel towards people like Cameron Crowe, and would love to inspire people in a similar way.
Re: fame; that's not something I seek, but I guess, professional recognition would motivate me. Maybe I have some security deficit, but that allures me more than fame, which is tinged - as Sniper noted - with a shallow, and ultimately empty result.
Ultimately, I want to create and just to be working full-time in the industry is the goal; to wake up every single morning knowing that you will help collaborate on something that enriches others' lives - that's got to be a buzz. Here's to hoping.
Oh, and Shelton, that's two on the LOL front with your contribution here.
But this was definitely my favourite phrase of the week...
Quoted from Baltis.
...slop dongs...
Not a phrase you hear every day but remember, you could help change that.
Quoted from Baltis.
My point, who needs screenwriters? Just ask Hollywood... They've treated the screenwriter like shit since the inception.
Amen. But there are so many of them, working for nothing, churning out hundreds of scripts each week it's not really a surprise is it? It's nothing personal for them to treat screenwriters that way, it's just business. Or so they say. But, they do treat a chosen few like gold, and they also pay a small fortune to some.
I'd like to write a few scripts that get made into good films. If I got paid for it as well that would be great. Would I sell out and churn out some of that stuff with 'slop dongs' that 'suck donkeys' if requested? I certainly hope not. But then again, I've done some really horrible jobs for, and with some detestable people. Ho hum.
Slop dongs! Remember, say it at least once a day, you will enjoy it.
Anyone else who is now bored of the homosexuality thread:
Would you rather have 15 minutes of fame and a universally despised credit to your name, or never get a credit at all, and why?
Me, I would prefer to write something that was due to go big, and then flopped hugely, but get a little taste of the cherry.
You?
Andrew
I like cherries. They're right up their with tacos. Anyways, I think I like the idea of keeping a low profile. I hate it when people start silly fan clubs and then the poor idolized writer gets despised credit to his name. It's really a messy outcome, like gay parades, very jammin'.
Without going into any further consequences or assumptions that could arise from the question, I would say it's better to have the credit than none at all. At least you got there.
On a purely theoretical note, it is hard to envision a film that was universally "despised". Unrated maybe. But to actually get everyone to despise it would be almost impossible. It would have to be genius in it's own way.
A really bad film will just be forgotten, actually attracting hate it would have to be perversley magnificent.
"Try to name 5 famous screenwriters. No googling -- off the top of your head.
There are probably a few of us here that can do it, but the general public -- never."
The only "popular" screenwriters are the ones who direct as well, such as QT, Woody Allen, Ingmar Bergman, David Lynch, Francis Ford Coppola, Wes Anderson, Coen Bros or Pedro Almovodar. Bert is correct in saying that screenwriting alone won't get you the fame. But I say, fu?k it, they get to work on what they truly want to do for a living while more than adequately supporting themselves, nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.
It should not be forgotten either that a lot of the big directors, past and present help out extensively in developing the script once it's decided on, sometimes receiving a credit too e.g Kubrick, Cuaron, Hitchcock, Gondry, Spielberg, and Scorsese.
So the message to all screenwriters is this: If you want fame, glitz, glamour and photo with Paris or Megan start getting to grips with a camera or take a course in acting. Putting the words on page simply won't be enough.
But I say, fu?k it, they get to work on what they truly want to do for a living while more than adequately supporting themselves, nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.
Absolutely the same for me. It sounds twee, but being adequately remunerated and waking up each morning with the 'I can't wait to get to work' is much more desirable than extra pay, and hitting the snooze button 15 times to - hopelessly - escape the working day.
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My point, who needs screenwriters? Just ask Hollywood... They've treated the screenwriter like s*** since the inception.
This is a really good point, and taps into the heart of my initial post - this is a popularly held view, so why do so many people seek entry with this knowledge?
This is a really good point, and taps into the heart of my initial post - this is a popularly held view, so why do so many people seek entry with this knowledge?
Andrew
They seek it for acceptance... To be the "ONE" who breaks the mold and changes things up. They seek it for the same reasons many buy lottery tickets each week even... For the chance that "maybe" their voice will or could be heard by more than their immediate arms length of contacts.
People, as much as they say they don't care for the acceptance, still really do want to be known for something. And it doesn't matter if they were liked, loved or hated for that something...
If you look at Hollywood and not just the exterior of it... You'll see that 95% of the industry are made up of self loathing, despicable people who have great charisma. Christian Bale is a good person to bring up right now... That guy is a complete Twat Rash. He's a prick and one of the most intensely rude ass holes I've ever seen. What good has he really ever done? But... people love him. They accept him... He knows he's a strange smack. He knows that, on a personal level, no one could possibly like him and that's fine with him... know why? Cos' people accept him for "something".
This would also probably go hand in foot with the mindset of a serial killer even. As off topic as that would be.
Christian Bale is on a fucking ego trip. I mean he's given good performances but now it's just lazy ejaculations and he's shooting blanks on the film. He was the weakest link of The Dark Knight and I avoided Terminator Salvation because the whole experience of that film looked like shit.
But even as much of a cunt as he is, his rant made on fucking good remix.
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