All active forums have a clique, sometimes more than one, depending on the size of the forum. It doesn't take much to be part of a clique, you just have to join in.

Yes, that's a fair comment. This site has always had its MASTERS and SUBS.
You need look no further than the comments people make.
They change their ways once they see the MASTER is in control.

It's funny to watch.
That might be a reason why some people don't "interact" with the rest.
Otherwise, I think people just post to have their scripts on display and don't need the genius minds available to tear their ideas apart.

Maybe some writers don't have time to spend as much as you all do?

Maybe some writers are actually... writing?

If you want someone to kiss your ass after you make a review, why not just contact them via PM or their email on the script. Then write a review. Simple.

Quoted from TonyDionisio Do you really think the site has a problem? I think it's quite active as it is. Lots of submissions, lots of good feedback. I wouldn't change what's not broken. Other sites mention that SS has a reputation for being a bit "clique." Again,  I don't see a problem with the site,  but maybe that's an area of concern to focus on. I dunno. Can something be "un-clique'd?"

The "site" - no. It is the best one that I have come across.  

Quoted from SteveDiablo Yes, that's a fair comment. This site has always had its MASTERS and SUBS. You need look no further than the comments people make. They change their ways once they see the MASTER is in control. It's funny to watch. That might be a reason why some people don't "interact" with the rest. Otherwise, I think people just post to have their scripts on display and don't need the genius minds available to tear their ideas apart. Maybe some writers don't have time to spend as much as you all do? Maybe some writers are actually... writing? If you want someone to kiss your ass after you make a review, why not just contact them via PM or their email on the script. Then write a review. Simple.

I'll grant you that I have loads of time. However, writing and reading are not mutually exclusive exercises. I don't buy your premise.

Wasn't asking for an ass kissing.  I think that is a real contortion of the original point (btw - would a request for ass kissing make one a Master or a Sub?).

To each his own.

I didn't get the master, sub, clique thing either. It's a forum. Some people have been members for a long time. Like me. I first became a member September -05, so I've been here 10 years. I've also been an active member for all those years. Some people have been members even longer than me, but don't post regularly. We get new people here all the time. Some introduce themselves and then never come back. Others jump right into the water and take an active part and become instant popular/unpopular depending on personality. I've seen "old" members go away for a bit and when they come back, they're disappointed no one remembers who they are and leave again. This happens quite often. Then there's just the old, so and so doesn't like so and so, but that's just human nature. As far as I know, there's no master and sub thing going on. If anyone wants to be popular here, just read a lot of other member's scripts and give helpful reviews.

Quoted from Max MASTERS? SUBS? LOL, what is this? Fifty Shades? Either way, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's not about someone kissing your ass after you give them feedback.  If there's some sort of challenge to your feedback, you can re-assess what you wrote, and learn to give better feedback in the future. It's better for everybody if there's a level of interaction. I'll accept the point about writers writing though, and them not having time to respond on message boards. The rest of your post is bleh, however.

Yes, it is exactly about kissing ass.  Some do it in a blatant way, some do it in a more snide way.
Of course the people that are doing all the smooching are going to deny it. So are the people getting the kisses.
For someone like you, who admits you've been a long-time lurker of the site (sucking up all the info you can and preparing to pounce, no doubt ) I find it a little weird you're suddenly so defensive.

The MASTERS/ SUBS thing comes from a member like yourself ( a sub) sucking up to someone you know is well respected on the site ( a MASTER).

You contribute so that's great, and I'm new myself . I have not much of an idea if what you are advising to writers is what you know or what you are just spouting from someone previously on here.








  

Quoted from SteveDiablo Yes, that's a fair comment. This site has always had its MASTERS and SUBS. You need look no further than the comments people make. They change their ways once they see the MASTER is in control. It's funny to watch. That might be a reason why some people don't "interact" with the rest. Otherwise, I think people just post to have their scripts on display and don't need the genius minds available to tear their ideas apart. Maybe some writers don't have time to spend as much as you all do? Maybe some writers are actually... writing? If you want someone to kiss your ass after you make a review, why not just contact them via PM or their email on the script. Then write a review. Simple.

Can someone point me in the direction of the Master in control? Assuming he's a man, he sounds very exciting.

Seriously, care to clarify what the heck you're talking about, Steve?

Quoted from SteveDiablo I have not much of an idea if what you are advising to writers is what you know or what you are just spouting from someone previously on here.

If you can't tell the difference, then what difference does it make? We all have to learn something from somewhere. I learn stuff from people all the time on here just by interacting with them. That's how knowledge works.

It's very rare that you can just know something without learning it somewhere first.

This site, like all forums, gives people the forum to discuss what they believe is right or wrong, then a consensus is formed. There aren't any masters or subs. That sounds like something from the literary mind of the author of 50 Shades.

Forums are communities where learning something can be fast tracked. No matter the subject. I was once a member of a botany forum. I'm virtually a botanist and have never studied it at school at all. I also sell soil microbes for a living and even have my own theories developed on the efficacy. All from forums. No traditional education (within context) whatsoever.

Quoted from LC Can someone point me in the direction of the Master in control? Assuming he's a man, he sounds very exciting. Seriously, care to clarify what the heck you're talking about, Steve?

I explained this in the above.
I don't like sucking up to people and I think some new members do.
I joined long after Dustin but one of the reasons I joined was because he didn't take any shit from anyone when he first joined.
I loved his approach and that's why I joined because the clique had been broken.

As silly as all sounds, it's why some people won't come on here.
Now, you can all say "ridiculous, no cliques, this guy is a nutter".
Then wonder why not many people chime in.

Yeah... I'm nuts...

Not saying it's bad or wrong, just my explanation for why.

Quoted from DustinBowcot If you can't tell the difference, then what difference does it make? We all have to learn something from somewhere. I learn stuff from people all the time on here just by interacting with them. That's how knowledge works. It's very rare that you can just know something without learning it somewhere first. This site, like all forums, gives people the forum to discuss what they believe is right or wrong, then a consensus is formed. There aren't any masters or subs. That sounds like something from the literary mind of the author of 50 Shades. Forums are communities where learning something can be fast tracked. No matter the subject. I was once a member of a botany forum. I'm virtually a botanist and have never studied it at school at all. I also sell soil microbes for a living and even have my own theories developed on the efficacy. All from forums. No traditional education (within context) whatsoever.

Well, that does make a lot of sense.
Thanks for clearing it up.
Sorry for any aggro.

From a SUB to a DOM.

Quoted from SteveDiablo Well, that does make a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing it up. Sorry for any aggro. From a SUB to a DOM.

I can't agree with you, mate. Seems your logic is derived from post count. Hardly anyone listens to me, half the forum thinks I'm an idiot and the other half merely tolerates me.

Quoted from SteveDiablo I explained this in the above. I don't like sucking up to people and I think some new members do. I joined long after Dustin but one of the reasons I joined was because he didn't take any shit from anyone when he first joined. I loved his approach and that's why I joined because the clique had been broken.

I think you're confusing Newbs being sycophants when actually they're just pretty darned excited to be getting quick and often sound advice in response to their questions, not to mention their script being read and commented on.

And I think you're confusing a clique with 'long term members who 'know' one another'.

As with any area of life there's always a time when you're a Newb and it can be daunting meeting the regulars. Ultimately though, it's up to you to decide how you interact with others. Number one thing is to be yourself, don't try to emulate someone else, and also try be respectful. There are plenty of assertive people on these boards and plenty of quieter achievers as well.

Just relax and do your own thing.

Quoted from SteveDiablo Yes, it is exactly about kissing ass.  Some do it in a blatant way, some do it in a more snide way. Of course the people that are doing all the smooching are going to deny it. So are the people getting the kisses. For someone like you, who admits you've been a long-time lurker of the site (sucking up all the info you can and preparing to pounce, no doubt ) I find it a little weird you're suddenly so defensive. The MASTERS/ SUBS thing comes from a member like yourself ( a sub) sucking up to someone you know is well respected on the site ( a MASTER). You contribute so that's great, and I'm new myself . I have not much of an idea if what you are advising to writers is what you know or what you are just spouting from someone previously on here.

Who am I sucking up to exactly?  

Are you trying to troll me? You say I'm sucking up to a "MASTER", which sounds dumb all by itself, especially on a site such as this.

Of course I'm advising writers on what I know, and yes it has been learned from some other sources.  What's your point? That it's somehow misleading to you, to recycle knowledge? You'll know if I'm talking shit, because somebody will call me on it.

I understand the difference between advising members on format issues, and stuff which is down to preference at the end of the day.

You're mistaking me being defensive, for me calling you out on blatant bullshit wumming.

Steve, got to say, this Master and Sub thing is all quite ridiculous.

I'd regard myself as a new member of these boards (here less than a year) and in no way do I suck up to the people you obviously see as the Masters. I know, roughly, who has been on here for a long time and the people who really know what they're talking about. But that doesn't mean I don't equally respect what a newer member thinks of my writing. We're all in the same boat here, trying to get our stuff noticed. If we weren't we wouldn't be part of Simplyscripts. The fact people, new or old to the board, read and help out with our writing is great and makes this site a fantastic place to be a member.

When I read scripts, I give my honest opinion without thinking who the writer is and I think most people on here are the same. You obviously see it a little different, but that's on you.

I actually see this board as quite the opposite. I've been on boards very cliquey. Here, it seems pretty open. "Masters" mingling with "Subs".