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In July I'll have been registered for this site for one year. I already have a pet peeve. In far too many instances I'll see a thread where a writer posts their work - gets some comments and never comments back (e.g., thanks. or - I disagree because, etc.).

When I worked for a living, we had a phrase - Seagull Manager. It meant someone who just swooped in, shit all over everyone and then disappeared. There are too many instances of Seagull scripts/posts. Someone drops something - gets feedback - never to be heard from again.

I think I'm must just be feeling particularity pissy today. But I think I am going to hesitate to read or post until I see some evidence that the individual posting the script or actual inquiry is actually around.

Did I mentioned I haven't smoked today. This could be withdrawal symtoms.


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I hear you, but not everyone who posts a script here knows that there is a forum where people might be commenting on their scripts. Also, some people just want the exposure to potential filmmakers browsing for scripts to shoot. They couldn't care less about what us board members think of their work. I hardly ever read a script by someone I don't recognize as a board member.  

My take.  


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Quoted from Grandma Bear
I hear you, but not everyone who posts a script here knows that there is a forum where people might be commenting on their scripts. Also, some people just want the exposure to potential filmmakers browsing for scripts to shoot. They couldn't care less about what us board members think of their work. I hardly ever read a script by someone I don't recognize as a board member.  

My take.  


Makes sense Pia -thanks.

Now where are my cigarettes - I must have left a pack around somewhere.


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As Pia said... not everyone knows there is a forum... I didn't!

Think I'd posted three shorts before I realised, and then went round apologising to the regs who'd commented.

Some writers just want to post their scripts as part of their marketing, it's a decent source of leads... and again they don't necessarily want/think they need feedback.

You can lead the writer to SS but you can't make em comment

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Fuck these seagul, fucktards.  Seriously...no excuse.  Same with the OWC asswipers.  Fuck 'em all!!!
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What Pia and Anthony said. It's always going to happen because some people only post their scripts for exposure - not for feedback. It's a credit to Don script posters can do just that with no obligation, and elect not to become forum members. And of course, some people don't realize there is actually a discussion forum straight off.

Dave, you're right - the only way you can avoid speaking into thin air is by avoiding commenting on an 'unknown author's' work - unless you feel particularly generous that day and love the work, and want to comment regardless.

Jeff, sounds like you need a drink...Or something?


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Random question here Libs, because I'm drunk as fuck atm.

Ever seen the film "Chopper"? Based on Mark "Chopper" Read.

Aussie ting innit, btw, check "The Horseman" out as well, Aussie film which I like.


Oh yes, Chopper Read is infamous.

Eric Bana is pretty good in my book too. Dramatic roles like this one put him on the map. Before this he was only known as a comedian, and a very good one at that!  

Haven't seen The Horseman, will take your word for it.


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He was funny, but also a killer, can't forget that.


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Quoted from LC

Dave, you're right - the only way you can avoid speaking into thin air is by avoiding commenting on an 'unknown author's' work - unless you feel particularly generous that day and love the work, and want to comment regardless.



Think this is a good approach.


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He was funny, but also a killer, can't forget that.


He only killed fellow scum crims like himself Lib, lol. If only that happened more often and innocents weren't harmed.

Eric Bana is a passionate fan of my footy team St Kilda too and wears his heart on his sleeve for them.

Oh and eldave? Seagull is a sporting slang term here in Oz too - it references an Aussie a Rules player who hangs around the contest and receives the easy ball lol.



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Quoted from eldave1


Think this is a good approach.


Yeah, I commented on a new script just because I was in a good mood.  Sometimes when you put a few comments, and then a new writer finds the forum, they look at what was posted.  Not all do, but I want to help as much as I've been helped here.


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If I'm in a reviewing mood I'll often review it without even thinking about wether or not the writer is active... of course regs get prioritised


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Dave

Feeling "pissy" or not I think all active members here would agree with you, it is annoying. However, there is a way to negate it by doing as others have suggested: Only comment on work whose writer's name you've seen around the boards.

Its the only thing I look at when choosing scripts to read. I avoid loglines as they often give too much away. Same goes for reading other people's comments. Going in completely blind with no preconceptions is the best approach to reviewing I've found.

I don't really buy the "most don't know there is a discussion board" reasoning. Yes, Anthony backed it up by his admission but he soon realized and remedied the situation. I'd assume that the vast majority of people who find the "submit your script" link and submit, take the time to explore the site a little where it wouldn't take long to find the discussion boards. The link is on the home page.

Yet there are a few "Seagull scripts" posted weekly.

I reckon its more a product of the other reason mentioned. Some people submit them for exposure to filmmakers, not feedback. Which I think is fine too, that's their choice...just don't be the one who wastes time posting comments on its board.


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Just want to add, I learned my lesson the hard way once when I gave an in-depth review to a relative newb who promptly shat on my advice and told me I knew nothing - then PM'd me later to tell me he was sorry and was redrafting with all of my suggestions - not that he was sorry enough to make his apology public.  

It's the risk you take. If I have the time I'll still delve deeper with a script which shows promise, or that I love, or that is not that great and can do with some pointers. It does depend on mood and it's always nice if that someone is at least receptive and makes an appearance. And, I'll usually only do that when scripts from the regulars are scarce - far better to know you're going to get a back and forth dialogue.


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Do you really think the site has a problem? I think it's quite active as it is. Lots of submissions, lots of good feedback. I wouldn't change what's not broken.

Other sites mention that SS has a reputation for being a bit "clique." Again,  I don't see a problem with the site,  but maybe that's an area of concern to focus on. I dunno. Can something be "un-clique'd?"
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All active forums have a clique, sometimes more than one, depending on the size of the forum. It doesn't take much to be part of a clique, you just have to join in.
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Yes, that's a fair comment. This site has always had its MASTERS and SUBS.
You need look no further than the comments people make.
They change their ways once they see the MASTER is in control.

It's funny to watch.
That might be a reason why some people don't "interact" with the rest.
Otherwise, I think people just post to have their scripts on display and don't need the genius minds available to tear their ideas apart.

Maybe some writers don't have time to spend as much as you all do?

Maybe some writers are actually... writing?

If you want someone to kiss your ass after you make a review, why not just contact them via PM or their email on the script. Then write a review. Simple.
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Quoted from TonyDionisio
Do you really think the site has a problem? I think it's quite active as it is. Lots of submissions, lots of good feedback. I wouldn't change what's not broken.

Other sites mention that SS has a reputation for being a bit "clique." Again,  I don't see a problem with the site,  but maybe that's an area of concern to focus on. I dunno. Can something be "un-clique'd?"


The "site" - no. It is the best one that I have come across.  





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Yes, that's a fair comment. This site has always had its MASTERS and SUBS.
You need look no further than the comments people make.
They change their ways once they see the MASTER is in control.

It's funny to watch.
That might be a reason why some people don't "interact" with the rest.
Otherwise, I think people just post to have their scripts on display and don't need the genius minds available to tear their ideas apart.

Maybe some writers don't have time to spend as much as you all do?

Maybe some writers are actually... writing?

If you want someone to kiss your ass after you make a review, why not just contact them via PM or their email on the script. Then write a review. Simple.


I'll grant you that I have loads of time. However, writing and reading are not mutually exclusive exercises. I don't buy your premise.

Wasn't asking for an ass kissing.  I think that is a real contortion of the original point (btw - would a request for ass kissing make one a Master or a Sub?).

To each his own.




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I didn't get the master, sub, clique thing either. It's a forum. Some people have been members for a long time. Like me. I first became a member September -05, so I've been here 10 years. I've also been an active member for all those years. Some people have been members even longer than me, but don't post regularly. We get new people here all the time. Some introduce themselves and then never come back. Others jump right into the water and take an active part and become instant popular/unpopular depending on personality. I've seen "old" members go away for a bit and when they come back, they're disappointed no one remembers who they are and leave again. This happens quite often. Then there's just the old, so and so doesn't like so and so, but that's just human nature. As far as I know, there's no master and sub thing going on. If anyone wants to be popular here, just read a lot of other member's scripts and give helpful reviews.


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MASTERS? SUBS? LOL, what is this? Fifty Shades? Either way, I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's not about someone kissing your ass after you give them feedback.  If there's some sort of challenge to your feedback, you can re-assess what you wrote, and learn to give better feedback in the future.

It's better for everybody if there's a level of interaction.

I'll accept the point about writers writing though, and them not having time to respond on message boards.

The rest of your post is bleh, however.



Yes, it is exactly about kissing ass.  Some do it in a blatant way, some do it in a more snide way.
Of course the people that are doing all the smooching are going to deny it. So are the people getting the kisses.
For someone like you, who admits you've been a long-time lurker of the site (sucking up all the info you can and preparing to pounce, no doubt ) I find it a little weird you're suddenly so defensive.

The MASTERS/ SUBS thing comes from a member like yourself ( a sub) sucking up to someone you know is well respected on the site ( a MASTER).

You contribute so that's great, and I'm new myself . I have not much of an idea if what you are advising to writers is what you know or what you are just spouting from someone previously on here.








  


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Yes, that's a fair comment. This site has always had its MASTERS and SUBS.
You need look no further than the comments people make.
They change their ways once they see the MASTER is in control.

It's funny to watch.
That might be a reason why some people don't "interact" with the rest.
Otherwise, I think people just post to have their scripts on display and don't need the genius minds available to tear their ideas apart.

Maybe some writers don't have time to spend as much as you all do?

Maybe some writers are actually... writing?

If you want someone to kiss your ass after you make a review, why not just contact them via PM or their email on the script. Then write a review. Simple.


Can someone point me in the direction of the Master in control? Assuming he's a man, he sounds very exciting.

Seriously, care to clarify what the heck you're talking about, Steve?


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I have not much of an idea if what you are advising to writers is what you know or what you are just spouting from someone previously on here.


If you can't tell the difference, then what difference does it make? We all have to learn something from somewhere. I learn stuff from people all the time on here just by interacting with them. That's how knowledge works.

It's very rare that you can just know something without learning it somewhere first.

This site, like all forums, gives people the forum to discuss what they believe is right or wrong, then a consensus is formed. There aren't any masters or subs. That sounds like something from the literary mind of the author of 50 Shades.

Forums are communities where learning something can be fast tracked. No matter the subject. I was once a member of a botany forum. I'm virtually a botanist and have never studied it at school at all. I also sell soil microbes for a living and even have my own theories developed on the efficacy. All from forums. No traditional education (within context) whatsoever.
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Can someone point me in the direction of the Master in control? Assuming he's a man, he sounds very exciting.

Seriously, care to clarify what the heck you're talking about, Steve?


I explained this in the above.
I don't like sucking up to people and I think some new members do.
I joined long after Dustin but one of the reasons I joined was because he didn't take any shit from anyone when he first joined.
I loved his approach and that's why I joined because the clique had been broken.

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As silly as all sounds, it's why some people won't come on here.
Now, you can all say "ridiculous, no cliques, this guy is a nutter".
Then wonder why not many people chime in.

Yeah... I'm nuts...

Not saying it's bad or wrong, just my explanation for why.



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If you can't tell the difference, then what difference does it make? We all have to learn something from somewhere. I learn stuff from people all the time on here just by interacting with them. That's how knowledge works.

It's very rare that you can just know something without learning it somewhere first.

This site, like all forums, gives people the forum to discuss what they believe is right or wrong, then a consensus is formed. There aren't any masters or subs. That sounds like something from the literary mind of the author of 50 Shades.

Forums are communities where learning something can be fast tracked. No matter the subject. I was once a member of a botany forum. I'm virtually a botanist and have never studied it at school at all. I also sell soil microbes for a living and even have my own theories developed on the efficacy. All from forums. No traditional education (within context) whatsoever.


Well, that does make a lot of sense.
Thanks for clearing it up.
Sorry for any aggro.

From a SUB to a DOM.
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Well, that does make a lot of sense.
Thanks for clearing it up.
Sorry for any aggro.

From a SUB to a DOM.


I can't agree with you, mate. Seems your logic is derived from post count. Hardly anyone listens to me, half the forum thinks I'm an idiot and the other half merely tolerates me.
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I explained this in the above.
I don't like sucking up to people and I think some new members do.
I joined long after Dustin but one of the reasons I joined was because he didn't take any shit from anyone when he first joined.
I loved his approach and that's why I joined because the clique had been broken.


I think you're confusing Newbs being sycophants when actually they're just pretty darned excited to be getting quick and often sound advice in response to their questions, not to mention their script being read and commented on.

And I think you're confusing a clique with 'long term members who 'know' one another'.

As with any area of life there's always a time when you're a Newb and it can be daunting meeting the regulars. Ultimately though, it's up to you to decide how you interact with others. Number one thing is to be yourself, don't try to emulate someone else, and also try be respectful. There are plenty of assertive people on these boards and plenty of quieter achievers as well.

Just relax and do your own thing.


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Yes, it is exactly about kissing ass.  Some do it in a blatant way, some do it in a more snide way.
Of course the people that are doing all the smooching are going to deny it. So are the people getting the kisses.
For someone like you, who admits you've been a long-time lurker of the site (sucking up all the info you can and preparing to pounce, no doubt ) I find it a little weird you're suddenly so defensive.

The MASTERS/ SUBS thing comes from a member like yourself ( a sub) sucking up to someone you know is well respected on the site ( a MASTER).

You contribute so that's great, and I'm new myself . I have not much of an idea if what you are advising to writers is what you know or what you are just spouting from someone previously on here.


Who am I sucking up to exactly?  

Are you trying to troll me? You say I'm sucking up to a "MASTER", which sounds dumb all by itself, especially on a site such as this.

Of course I'm advising writers on what I know, and yes it has been learned from some other sources.  What's your point? That it's somehow misleading to you, to recycle knowledge? You'll know if I'm talking shit, because somebody will call me on it.

I understand the difference between advising members on format issues, and stuff which is down to preference at the end of the day.

You're mistaking me being defensive, for me calling you out on blatant bullshit wumming.


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Steve, got to say, this Master and Sub thing is all quite ridiculous.

I'd regard myself as a new member of these boards (here less than a year) and in no way do I suck up to the people you obviously see as the Masters. I know, roughly, who has been on here for a long time and the people who really know what they're talking about. But that doesn't mean I don't equally respect what a newer member thinks of my writing. We're all in the same boat here, trying to get our stuff noticed. If we weren't we wouldn't be part of Simplyscripts. The fact people, new or old to the board, read and help out with our writing is great and makes this site a fantastic place to be a member.

When I read scripts, I give my honest opinion without thinking who the writer is and I think most people on here are the same. You obviously see it a little different, but that's on you.

I actually see this board as quite the opposite. I've been on boards very cliquey. Here, it seems pretty open. "Masters" mingling with "Subs".


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Quoted from SteveDiablo
I don't like sucking up to people...I joined long after Dustin but one of the reasons I joined was because he didn't take any shit from anyone when he first joined.


Surely you see what you've done there?

You accuse others of sycophantism, while you appear to do much the same in a single breath.

And that is why we should not run around tossing about blanket generalizations.

Dustin's response is golden.  Bravo, sir.  So am I sucking up to him now?  Who even cares?

I find this conversation a little silly, at best...if not a little self-serving.


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Well, this thread certainly got off topic fast.  The Master-Sub thing is just - well, weird. I don't even began to understand the point.

On the bright side -  I no longer feel pissy.







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Well, this thread certainly got off topic fast. The Master-Sub thing is just - well, weird. I don't even began to understand the point.

On the bright side -  I no longer feel pissy.

It sure did. I was going to ask what one thing had to do with the other.
On ya, Dave!



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If anyone wants to be popular here, just read a lot of other member's scripts and give helpful reviews.


Having a desire to be popular on an internet forum, is something I find to be... just sad
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Having a desire to be popular on an internet forum, is something I find to be... just sad


It was in response to someone saying SS was too cliquey. I did not say people should try to be popular on a forum...


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I think if we swapped the word 'popular' for 'accepted' that strikes the right tone for me.

We all have good and bad days. Some scripts work, others bomb. Hey ho. We've all been there. Never  a nice feeling when a script doesn't work out.

But if we keep going, reading, reviewing, learning from others feedback - not blindly I would caveat - then just maybe we can improve. I know I have, and many others have likewise.

I rememeber joining around the same time as Dena, Pale Yellow. We both stumbled, but didn't give up. I dont know how many decent scripts she has had now had produced, but it's impressive.

Nothing's perfect, but we were never offered perfect when we all rolled up here. A tad like life really - some good, some bad some @&&@&!! days.


My scripts  HERE

The Elevator Most Belonging To Alice - Semi Final Bluecat, Runner Up Nashville
Inner Journey - Page Awards Finalist - Bluecat semi final
Grieving Spell - winner - London Film Awards.  Third - Honolulu
Ultimate Weapon - Fresh Voices - second place
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Surely you see what you've done there?

You accuse others of sycophantism, while you appear to do much the same in a single breath.

And that is why we should not run around tossing about blanket generalizations.

Dustin's response is golden.  Bravo, sir.  So am I sucking up to him now?  Who even cares?

I find this conversation a little silly, at best...if not a little self-serving.


I think you are taking what I said out of context, you didn't include my entire sentence for a start.

I was inspired by someone breaking a clique that had existed. I felt that was awesome. Here is a chance for this forum or website or whatever you wannacallit, to be available again to writers who just want their voices heard ( or read).

I'm possibly a sycophantismistic person (had to look that word up,) but my point was responding to the with the PISSY post that began. "I'm fed up with people not responding to my posts..."
Man, get a life.

Yes, I kinda switched the direction of the topic, but I don't feel I said anything bad or that no one else has said elsewhere.
The MASTERS/ SUBS thing... I think it is a funny way of looking at it, but it is true.


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It was in response to someone saying SS was too cliquey. I did not say people should try to be popular on a forum...


Didn't say you did. You just merely pointed out the possibility of someone having a desire, which I found sad.
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I read features on here all the time where the writer is nowhere to be found.  Sometimes I leave comments, sometimes I don't.  I can recall a time or two where the writer eventually made an appearance.  It never bothered me.  I like to read.  Each script you read, you learn something from it or even a bunch of things from it.  Speaking of which, if anyone has something they want me to take a look at, you can shoot me a PM.  
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I think you are taking what I said out of context, you didn't include my entire sentence for a start.

I was inspired by someone breaking a clique that had existed. I felt that was awesome. Here is a chance for this forum or website or whatever you wannacallit, to be available again to writers who just want their voices heard ( or read).

I'm possibly a sycophantismistic person (had to look that word up,) but my point was responding to the with the PISSY post that began. "I'm fed up with people not responding to my posts..."
Man, get a life.

Yes, I kinda switched the direction of the topic, but I don't feel I said anything bad or that no one else has said elsewhere.
The MASTERS/ SUBS thing... I think it is a funny way of looking at it, but it is true.



Okay - here is the definition of bad form.  You start by saying that you think he took you out of context and then you go on to actually "quote" something out of context (actually you didn't quote it correctly at all).

I did not write:

"I'm fed up with people not responding to my posts..."

What I actually wrote was:

.... I already have a pet peeve. In far too many instances I'll see a thread where a writer posts their work - gets some comments and never comments back (e.g., thanks. or - I disagree because, etc.)....."

The pissy reference was my comment that I just might be feeling pissy today (i.e., due to nicotine withdrawal).

Anyway - thought I needed to clarify that.

In terms of "getting a life" - thank you very much for the concern - but I have quite a happy one. Not sure why this issue got your goat so much - (unless you are trying to quit smoking too in which case we are just kindred spirits). I was merely chatting about my preferences for the site.  


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DustinBowcot
Posted: July 7th, 2015, 1:46am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from dead by dawn
Each script you read, you learn something from it...  


For me that's often the same thing over and over again... namely, that I should never have bothered opening it in the first place.

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...unless you are trying to quit smoking too in which case we are just kindred spirits...  


I gave up smoking cigarettes/tobacco 5 years ago. It was hard, but one of the best decisions I ever made. I used those patches for a month to break the psychological habit, then once I knew I was done and at worst would only go back to wearing the patches, I took the patches off and went through the physical withdrawal that lasted three days, and it was almost painful. Three horrible days... but during those days, I knew I would only go back to the patches anyway, and what's the point in wearing them?

Anyway, once the three days were up I was mostly fine again. I still had to resist but it was a lot easier.

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I gave up smoking cigarettes/tobacco 5 years ago. It was hard, but one of the best decisions I ever made. I used those patches for a month to break the psychological habit, then once I knew I was done and at worst would only go back to wearing the patches, I took the patches off and went through the physical withdrawal that lasted three days, and it was almost painful. Three horrible days... but during those days, I knew I would only go back to the patches anyway, and what's the point in wearing them?

Anyway, once the three days were up I was mostly fine again. I still had to resist but it was a lot easier.



Been using the gum - decreasing each day. Been smoking for 35 years so it is pretty ingrained into everything I do - I've been pretty much a prick to every one I know for the last week or so - but - at least I smell better


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Pissy, and a prick. Now there's a combo.

In all seriousness, hang in there Dave.  


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Pissy, and a prick. Now there's a combo.

In all seriousness, hang in there Dave.  


And a great script title (it would be a bad cop - worse cop story)

Much thanks Libby -


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The words of a stranger on the internet might not mean much, eldave, but I support your goal. Stay motivated!

On topic: I think a good point to keep in mind is that as unpleasant as it is when a writer doesn't respond to feedback, having the opportunity not to is probably important for SimplyScripts as a site to keep its level of activity and continue pulling in producers and filmmakers checking out the site.

But... I think the fact that trading feedback on the boards is even a thing should be brought out somewhere and be a whole lot easier to find.
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The words of a stranger on the internet might not mean much, eldave, but I support your goal. Stay motivated!

On topic: I think a good point to keep in mind is that as unpleasant as it is when a writer doesn't respond to feedback, having the opportunity not to is probably important for SimplyScripts as a site to keep its level of activity and continue pulling in producers and filmmakers checking out the site.

But... I think the fact that trading feedback on the boards is even a thing should be brought out somewhere and be a whole lot easier to find.


First - Thanks much DS.

In terms of the topic at hand - I believe that I have come around on the topic - i.e., it's pretty much in my control so if I want to have an interactive experience - then read stuff from active members - if I just want to read/learn - read anything. The discussion in the thread helped - I'm there.



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Posted: July 9th, 2015, 1:30am Report to Moderator
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Hey guys,
     I haven't been around in a while, still not up to a long chat, but, wanted to touch base.

Neck has been awful.  I mean grade 9/10 pain awful.  I haven't done any writing and now, that bloody contest deadline is Aug 1.  

I wanted to make a few comments here:

1.  I chose to be vocal, but, I also chose to be "submissive" in that I wasn't gonna be cocky.  I wanted to learn and get better.  So, if by master and sub, yeah, people who have been writing for years or sold stuff I should respect.  

Don't confuse respect with no guts.  For ex, Libby thought I should let my main protag live at the end of my feature.  I said I can't do that and explained why, and then she made a post asking how "normal" that was.  Neither of us ever crossed that line.  I have learned so much from her and so many of you.  I wouldn't be half the writer I am today w/o your help.  So, I respect all of you a great deal, and if 3 people point out the same issue, I'd be foolish not to at least look at it.  

However, it is my choice to act on it or not.  And that is the difference between respect and blindly sucking up.  Each person has to make the final choice on what makes their story better.  However, if 3 people have the same idea and you take an honest look (or even 1 person for all that matters), if their advice makes it better, then it is up to you to be humble enough to accept that advice.

But, being respectful isn't the same as sucking up.  Perhaps some think b/c i say how much this place has helped me that i'm sucking up, but, I don't feel that way.  I'm still learning.  I am the sort of person that complains when something isn't done right, but, I also compliment when it is done right.  So, if I am helped, then I make a point to let others know this person did a great job.  As a manager for 2 stores, that's how I'm wired (when I could work).  

I give some advice, but, I do find myself allowing more experienced people to carry the critique or to take the lead.  They have more knowledge.  

That said, anyone can have an idea that can make your story better, or take it to a new level.  Even if some of you don't think much of people like Jeff or Dustin, that'd be foolish in my book.  Everyone can offer something.  Why burn any bridges for no reason?  Why fight?  Save the battles for the important wars you MUST win.

Those who know me know I have 9 herniated discs and a crushed spinal cord.  I don't bother getting into drama unless I MUST.  Unless I have a personal stake in the outcome.  Many of the fights I see on here are of the "petty" variety.  

Simply put, we aren't here to fight or act like kids on a street corner.  We are the best free site on the internet.  I've only been here a few months and I already know that.  It is up to each of us to do all we can do to keep it that way.  Period.  No excuses!!

I didn't know about this site when I joined.  I know about the other site (Janet's) and thought that was it.  I wasn't gonna join this part until I realized that I could get feedback.  

I still consider myself a newbie here.  And you know what, if there are cliques of people like Pia and Libby and some others who have KNOWN each other for years, well, I'd be cliquish too.  I don't see cliques. I see people who have known each other for years that are like extra family members or co-workers.  

The reason I don't consider it a clique is b/c I didn't have to do much to be accepted here.  Just be honest.  And contribute.  Trust me when I say a clique is very hard to get people to treat you fairly.  And it takes a while for people to get to know and trust you.  Each person is different.  It is up to each new person on here to put that time in.  

I feel quite close to some of you guys.  I feel that way b/c both sides have put in effort and time, we have exchanged emails or read each others' stuff.  Trust builds with time and there is no substitute for that.  

As for the people on here who don't respond, yep, that's annoying.  But, as I said, I didn't know about it.  I think it is entirely possible that people think the story is on Janet's site, but, it's on here, they can't find it on Janet's site and give up.  I ALMOST did at the very beginning.  

I do think a newbie should have to read or intro themselves before they should be able to have Don load a story of theirs.  That is my opinion and I'm a nobody.  But, if it was done that way, then they could find out the ins and outs and perhaps some of the issues that I see with first time script loads could be avoided with the correct software and some other "common sense" stuff.  I read a script that was entirely in past tense.  

Some people stop reading at a big mistake like that.  I don't b/c that could have been me.  But, some of the errors that are made, if they had to read a script and ask questions first, and post something in the "about me" section could go a long ways to making all stories better.  

I wish I had read some stuff on here before doing so much writing of my scripts.  Don't take this wrong, but, reading one "so so" script is worth far more then reading 10 perfect scripts because you can spot the errors and that is how more people learn then copying something, but, not having any reference material on how or why it's done wrong.  

Case in point as I end this, I had no clue what "on the nose" dialog was when I first joined, just that everyone said I do it.  I was told to read scripts, but, couldn't figure out what they meant.  Then I read another's script on here and noticed their own "on the nose" dialog and how flat it was.  The lightbulb came on.  I learned.

Okay, my head has fallen away from my neck now, so, I'm gonna end this.  Sorry it was so long, but, at least I broke it up

Dan


Please read my scripts:
http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-series/m-1427564706/

I'm interested in reading animation, horror, sci fy, suspense, fantasy, and anything that is good.  I enjoy writing the same.  Looking to team with anyone!

Thanks
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Quoted from DanC

I haven't been around in a while, still not up to a long chat...


I wonder what the size of the post would be if you were up for a long chat. LOL.
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Case in point as I end this, I had no clue what "on the nose" dialog was when I first joined, just that everyone said I do it.


This gave me a chuckle Damn - the first time someone commented that my dialogue was on the nose I thought - cool - I nailed it.


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Quoted from DustinBowcot


I wonder what the size of the post would be if you were up for a long chat. LOL.


You should tremble at the thought of a long message from me

Yeah, I can write a lot.  I think the longest message I ever wrote was like 30 pages to this girl that I loved years ago...


Please read my scripts:
http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-series/m-1427564706/

I'm interested in reading animation, horror, sci fy, suspense, fantasy, and anything that is good.  I enjoy writing the same.  Looking to team with anyone!

Thanks
Dan
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This gave me a chuckle Damn - the first time someone commented that my dialogue was on the nose I thought - cool - I nailed it.


I know, right?  

I mean, that seems like a good thing.  I had the same thought.  Little did I know...

but, it is true, the only way to learn is to talk and read.  And I learned more from that "bad" screenplay and spotted the on the nose dialog and now, I have a better idea on how to try to avoid it.  It is one thing to spot it, it is totally another thing to not do the same thing.

I still don't have a firm understanding of how to avoid it and be more generic.  That's the whole point of learning tho, right?  One step at a time...

Dan


Please read my scripts:
http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-series/m-1427564706/

I'm interested in reading animation, horror, sci fy, suspense, fantasy, and anything that is good.  I enjoy writing the same.  Looking to team with anyone!

Thanks
Dan
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What's on the nose dialogue again? Just being too on point with it? Instead of being subtle?
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Instead of being subtle?


Yes.
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Not to be confused with exposition which is talking the plot... or back story.
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Very few people are able to say what they mean economically and still get to the point without rambling on or going 'astray' - that correct? I guess you should mimic this in your dialog if you want to be "authentic." Still, we are writing for the screen and Hollywood is fantasy land.
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Just sent via private email a few comments about THE REVELATOR in two parts. As I mention, trying to be constructive and helpful.  Lemme know if you'd like something similar for your other works.

Cheers.

RK
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Just sent via private email a few comments about THE REVELATOR in two parts. As I mention, trying to be constructive and helpful.  Lemme know if you'd like something similar for your other works.

Cheers.

RK


Thanks much - got your notes - appreciated. Sent PM back

Any reads on anything is always a cool thing


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Strong egos here, zesty comments, I like it! I feel guilty, becoming sorta drifter, but the thing is, I'm fairly lost, so lost, I don't even know how to reply to any particular post,, Anothyer thing, I got into Anthony's blog, went through a few of his shorts some 2 weeks ago, and I haven't posted a damn review since. I must figure the boiard out!
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How do you "figure a message board out?"
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I think it's all a question of personal character. Some people here write in a subtone as if they knew everything and made millions in hollywood. If you can't stand that, this forum is nothing for you. For my part, I skip over such posts and try to extract the underlying points of critique, not just here in this forum but also in my everyday business life.

There's always people with egos or who just had a bad breakfeast in the morning, but imo it's not worth the energy to get into that and start a war of words, just say thank you, take the valid points from their comments (if you think they are) and move on. That has nothing to do with being a 'sub' to a master, it's just common sense, really.

Whenever you try to get help with something or try to sell yourself, whether it be with your writing or in your regular job, you need to have a thick skin, there will always be someone telling you you suck and what you do is utterly shit. Get over it.


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