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mcornetto
Posted: January 2nd, 2009, 7:13pm Report to Moderator
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Hey Guys,

Looks like it's questionable whether or not Blakkwolfe is going to take his turn.  Neither I nor Sandra have heard from him in the two days since he's been notified that it was his turn.  And since his turn is a dream turn, you would expect that Sandra would have heard from him by now.  The funny thing is that I heard from him after I gave him his heads up and told him to start writing and he said he was "on it".  But  I sent him an email yesterday checking on his status and still haven't gotten a response.  

So, the big question is do I wait until tomorrow and then make alternate plans or do I do that right now.  I'm voting for right now. Because this is the last turn of the round there is no one to switch his turn with.  As a matter of fact, the last three have been unswitchable because they were the last turn of the round for each tribe.  

Someone will have to take this turn for him.  Anyone volunteer?  I would do it myself (and may still end up doing it myself) but I did the last turn and I don't want to usurp the story.

Cheers,

Michael    

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Whatever you decide Michael is good. We'll work with it.

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Who is Blakkwolf's character?
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Who is Blakkwolf's character?


Heidi.

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Hey everyone,

Orange is going to stand in for Blakkwolfe on this last turn of the round.  Thanks Orange!  Blakkwolfe has been emailed.  

Cheers,

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Dang. I would have volunteered had I known about it sooner : (

Oh well.

I do think we should postpone the turns as originally planned though. Having people "play" others' characters goes against the point of the whole game IMO.

Maybe Blakkwolfe has already written his scene and just got caught up in something. Whatever. I don't think anyone should take anyone's turn. I don't think the characters are developed enough for that yet. We need to let their respective creators take their first steps into their shoes, specially if we're talking about Heidi seeing as she's just been introduced.

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IF we do postpone it, how long can we postpone? And will people be interested in the story after postponing? I think it should continue as is. It's all in good practice and fun. Besides, writing in a different characters shoes is a good training.


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I would normally postpone the turn but it's tough at the end of round to do that because there isn't anyone to switch them with.  Since this is structured with them on their way to Niagara falls it becomes even more difficult because each of these locations sort of needs to be played out for things to flow.
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We agreed in the beginning that there was a certain amount of time we had to contact the moderator, then post.  I know Blackwolfe did get in contact with Cornetto (as mentioned) but then nothing, so something must have come up.  

Cornetto is the Moderator and he keeps us moving forward, so of course, I would like Blackwolfe to write their scene, but without Cornetto hearing anything...the story must go on.

It's not an easy task to keep this flowing and on track, so MC's efforts are appreciated.

I think Orange has a good "feel" for Heidi's character, so I think she will do an excellent job!  


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Well, for what it's worth, mine should be done on time when the time come for it. I've already done a quick treatment for it, and I hope you like my kill....


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I'm out of the loop for the moment on what the time frame is for the end of the current turn.

I need to leave for Calgary and see my son off because he's heading back east for his posting at the Greenwood base; so I'll be gone for the rest of the day and I need to research this wild pick for the OWC.

I've never seen the movie; so I have to see it before I can do anything on it; so that cramps things for this turn.

I'll check in to see what's happening tomorrow.

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Which movie Sandra?

Just cleaned out the thread this morning the old stuff can be found at

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-collaborate/m-1228394559/

Also heard from Blakkwolfe today.  He was away with his family.  He said that he thinks Orange will do a stellar job but notes and this is important --

"that reptiles do not carry rabies...therefore that rattler could have been a good weapon as well as threat"
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Which movie Sandra?

Just cleaned out the thread this morning the old stuff can be found at

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-collaborate/m-1228394559/

Also heard from Blakkwolfe today.  He was away with his family.  He said that he thinks Orange will do a stellar job but notes and this is important --

"that reptiles do not carry rabies...therefore that rattler could have been a good weapon as well as threat"


I'm sorry Michael, I was again moving between tabs in my browser. Two simplyscripts and one for the OWC and I was referring to my watching Solent Green because it came up in that thread.

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So what kind of dream do you want to see next?

We've got sea monsters, cougars, animals escaped from the zoo, lots of dogs, a little goth girl with a scream repellent, and snakes.

We need lots of snakes in the coming dream.

How would you like to see it focused?

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You asking me?  Or everyone?  I don't mind if you are asking everyone.  I would like to hear what they say about them.  But I would like to see the dreams focus more on Shiva, maybe with some snake stuff because the second half of things seems to be going to the snakes.

In the next couple of real turns (not dreams) I would like to witness a snake devouring a dog.  And see mysterious trucks on the road that are filled with what looks like dead dogs.  I would like the absence of dogs to be noticed and I would like no more dog attacks.    

  
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You asking me?  Or everyone?  I don't mind if you are asking everyone.  I would like to hear what they say about them.  But I would like to see the dreams focus more on Shiva, maybe with some snake stuff because the second half of things seems to be going to the snakes.

In the next couple of real turns (not dreams) I would like to witness a snake devouring a dog.  And see mysterious trucks on the road that are filled with what looks like dead dogs.  I would like the absence of dogs to be noticed and I would like no more dog attacks.    

  


I was asking everyone.

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Wow!  Looks like the reigns are coming in.  Sounds to me like Mr. Cornetto has some ideas here.

Cool with me.

As for the dreams...as I told Sandra in my dream scene, I absolutely loved teh original dream scene.  So dream-like, for lack of a better phrase.  I'd like to see them go back to this, with no or very little actual dialogue.  More visual, imagery-thick...and just downright cool!

Interesting to hear what others have to say...
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I'll throw my thoughts into this...I LOVE Sandra's "dreamy" dreams...fractured with the imagery she is so good at writing... Things that don't really make any sense but DO seem to have some hidden meaning...something like when we have a dream where we think of it all day or for a couple of days...a dream that sticks with us.



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Hm, no dog attacks. Are you reigning in all animal attacks or just dogs? Anything in particular you would like to see in regards to an attack? I'm gathering options for my kill. I have the general idea at this point, but I'm working to nail down the details.


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What I mean is that the animal attacks got a bit old after the 10th or so.  So, what I would like to do is phase them out in the second round and have you guys put on your creative hats and do something different.  I would like for the second round to be more about snakes.  

I would like for the snakes to be eating the dogs and other rabid animals (making the snakes larger and larger) and I would like for there to be a notifiable absence of dogs. I would like to see the occasional mysterious truck heading toward Niagara Falls from all directions.   If we at least make mention of those few of things we should be able to bring this to a close with a story that makes sense.  

The trucks will come into play when we get to Niagara.  Once there we will meet a tribe called the Followers (though one of the reincarnated characters may be a Follower so we may meet them a bit sooner).  They have been clearing out the rabid animals and our interactions with them will predominate the last act.

I will tell you guys more about the Followers when we encounter them.   And anything you all would like to add to this would be appreciated.

Remember that if we take the next step with this game script then anyone who is interested can give it a rewrite.  We will pick the best of the rewrites.  But we won't be doing that with this script if we don't have a good main storyline going.  I'm trying to push us in that direction - it might but it isn't likely to happen without communication.

Cheers,

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Fascinating. You really have put a lot of thought into this, haven't you? Throwing in some of those subtleties (and even some of the overtness) should be fairly easy for what I had in mind for my part. I'm hoping it will actually fit a single post, though I fear I might break the one post rule. I promise it'll be interesting enough though.


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What I mean is that the animal attacks got a bit old after the 10th or so.  So, what I would like to do is phase them out in the second round and have you guys put on your creative hats and do something different.  I would like for the second round to be more about snakes.  


I agree with the dog attacks getting old.

I'm just waiting for Dana and then I'll begin with the dream.

Or do you think I should just write it now?

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I'll throw my thoughts into this...I LOVE Sandra's "dreamy" dreams...fractured with the imagery she is so good at writing... Things that don't really make any sense but DO seem to have some hidden meaning...something like when we have a dream where we think of it all day or for a couple of days...a dream that sticks with us.



The trouble with my writing is that it often makes perfect sense to me, but I need to learn to make it more explicit for others.

Thanks MBC, I appreciate it. We're at a difficult point right now in the script. I think it's a critical point; so hopefully, the next few posts will force a lot of suspense and also be more revealing.

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I would like for the snakes to be eating the dogs and other rabid animals (making the snakes larger and larger)...  


I think I have an idea.


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Okay, Sandra and I are almost done with collaboration. Our posts should be up tomorrow, sometime.
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Cool. Thanks for letting us know.  Looking forward to reading it.
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I thought you did a great job with the characters Orange, and you too Sandra.

I'll update the tracksheet when I get home from work.

Thanks again Orange for taking this impromptu turn.  

George it up next, starting round 2, and he has to use his kill.  Matter of fact everyone is going to be using their kill in their next turn.  
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I thought you did a great job with the characters Orange, and you too Sandra.

I'll update the tracksheet when I get home from work.

Thanks again Orange for taking this impromptu turn.  

George it up next, starting round 2, and he has to use his kill.  Matter of fact everyone is going to be using their kill in their next turn.  


The characters are growing on me. They feel like family and I hate to see anyone die. Ah well... two more shoots to look forward to.

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Nice one Orange, you did a great job.
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I really liked how this scene wasn't as action-heavy as most of the previous ones. And the inclusion of the snakes was pretty sweet, too.

I don't know about the others, but personally, I enjoyed how you handled my character (Cordelia) even though she had no dialogue.

My only complaint (no offense meant, obviously) is that I expected Heide to be a little more spunky than she was here, perhaps even a little bitchy. At least, that's how I pictured her when reading her bio.

Plus, I don't think Innocence would scream at the sight of snakes. She's too bad-ass for that But then again, a fear of snakes might add more layers to her character.

I really don't want to kill anyone now. Most of the characters are too developed by this point. Killing them seems like a waste but we'll all have to do it sooner or later.

And at last, we meet Shiva (or Dream Shiva at least)!

Good job everybody.

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I really liked how this scene wasn't as action-heavy as most of the previous ones. And the inclusion of the snakes was pretty sweet, too. ...

I really don't want to kill anyone now. Most of the characters are too developed by this point. Killing them seems like a waste but we'll all have to do it sooner or later.

And at last, we meet Shiva (or Dream Shiva at least)!

Good job everybody.

--Julio

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Me too. I don't want to kill anyone either. I think that Albert's kill was brilliant because he had a reason to want to die and so it was bittersweet. I wonder if we could generate this same bitter sweetness in the coming deaths.

I was wary about how soon to reveal more of Shiva-- for Shiva to disclose: "I am!" (In the game at least. It was the right time.)

I think Dana did an excellent job with Heidi's character and as I told her, I don't give false praise, (although I am very optimistic on a variety of points of view) however, the comic edge that she's bringing with the Bruce/Heidi relationship makes the dark elements even darker; so that's excellent.

I didn't see Heidi as bitchy, but as fiesty and very strong willed. And when she declares, "I swear!" In the dream, her willfulness is laid out plain.

Heidi is a force and hopefully, this is clear here. If not, we need to fix it.

Additionally, Bruce has become an extremely interesting character-- at least in our minds. But it just goes to show you how different people grab hold of different elements.

I honestly don't think we could have done much better, except with more time and experience-- we're moving on with more of that each day; so it's all good.

It seems we're coming close to a scene involving all the tribes together-- one where they're making discernments-- taking sides: For Shiva, against Shiva. And who the hell is Circe?

Are the snakes producing an antidote for the virus? Is their venom an antidote?

If that's the case and a person was bit and lived, then they'd have the antibodies and the "strength of overcoming the obstacle" -- a wisdom of sorts, and they'd be survivors in the greatest sense of the word.

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I would like for the snakes to be eating the dogs and other rabid animals (making the snakes larger and larger) and I would like for there to be a notifiable absence of dogs. I would like to see the occasional mysterious truck heading toward Niagara Falls from all directions.   If we at least make mention of those few of things we should be able to bring this to a close with a story that makes sense.  
Michael  


I think I messed with the snakes vs. dogs element in the dream.

I opened it up some saying:

At first it looks like the snakes are after the dogs, but then they're running as a pack.

What can this possibly mean?

Perhaps that neither snake nor dog is bad in the sense we were thinking? If "they're" both on the same side, then what side are we on?

Hence: Both Sides Now.



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So, um, yeah, I think my scene's a tad long...

What was the character count again? Maybe I can trim a little...


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You can go a little longer this game.  We relaxed the rules on that matter.  But try not to be longer than a post and a half.

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Hm, a post and a half... We'll see what happens. I sent it to Sandra for dreaming and  Orange for proofing, so I might have the pre-dream sequence up as early as tomorrow but we'll see.


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Georgio...just post it!    I think it's right around 7500.  

I want to make a couple comments on the post...Good job everyone!  I do have a few things to add so I'll get to it.

First off...I'm having a hard time with Cordelia being treated as if she were 6 or 7.  She's had a rough go in life and much of that makes her interesting...but she is 13 and I believe she would want to make decisions and not be led around.  Just my perspective of 13 year olds.   I do understand that she has never felt like she belonged, etc.  so this explains the relationship she has with Innocense, but I still feel that she would be feeling a little grown up having been through what she has in life.  

It was mentioned in an earlier post that it seemed Heidi's character would have more attitude based on her description and introduction to us.  I agree with that...I think that actually she is very much used to getting her way and doesn't really care who gets in her way...she'll just mow them down and step over.  I think if Bruce weren't doing all the looting...she would be and that's why it worked when she gave him a little "shit" about it originally when he found her in the car.

Overall - I think it's great, the dream and the post...we are heading in a good direction...but I do think we all need to work diligently on character development using the tools provided in the initial descriptions and introductions and involvement so far.

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First off...I'm having a hard time with Cordelia being treated as if she were 6 or 7.  She's had a rough go in life and much of that makes her interesting...but she is 13 and I believe she would want to make decisions and not be led around.  Just my perspective of 13 year olds.   I do understand that she has never felt like she belonged, etc.  so this explains the relationship she has with Innocense, but I still feel that she would be feeling a little grown up having been through what she has in life.  

It was mentioned in an earlier post that it seemed Heidi's character would have more attitude based on her description and introduction to us.  I agree with that...I think that actually she is very much used to getting her way and doesn't really care who gets in her way...she'll just mow them down and step over.  I think if Bruce weren't doing all the looting...she would be and that's why it worked when she gave him a little "shit" about it originally when he found her in the car.

Overall - I think it's great, the dream and the post...we are heading in a good direction...but I do think we all need to work diligently on character development using the tools provided in the initial descriptions and introductions and involvement so far.

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Morgan, it's good that you speak about this so these aspects can be discussed. First, I'll respond to the work with Heidi's character and her relationship with Bruce.

She's "pulling his chain" as Dana put so well. And from Dana's perspective, he's not just looting, but actually, he holds a fascination for the items of dead people. It's not just purely the fact that he might be grabbing something here or there.

Dana's taken his rummaging and made it really interesting. When "we" see him doing all this rummaging, and Heidi makes cracks about it, it is good writing and also provides relief from the serious elements.

Regarding Cordelia's character:

First off, I should say that Pia had problems in one of her script because people were saying the girl was "too mature" for her age. It might be a matter of clarifying that this is "indeed" how she wants it to be. Not an accident.

So here too, I think it needs to be clarified either way.

Here's my take on Cordelia:

She's definitely being portrayed in fact, as much younger. We know her age, but she's no ordinary girl. The fact that she retains the qualities of a child could be a significant element in creating interesting shots and working with her hair and make-up.

From the age of 11-13 an enormous amount of change is happening in any girl. How the girl responds to these changes will tell a lot about her. It feels to me that Cordelia walks a tightrope between childhood and her physical age. She either purposely or not uses her child-self to her advantage.

From Julio's intro:

She is now a shell of the girl she once was, mentally-unbalanced after her family's death. She is now deceptive and uses her soft-spoken and intelligent demeanor to hide her rage and anger.

She's clearly intelligent; so why would she have a problem getting the goodies that come when you're 13, but can pass for 11 with a little bit of work. Or, she's not trying to pass off anything, she just loves her child and won't give it up. Maybe she's determined not to grow up.

The fact she's getting led around is a good thing. She's been written up as quite silent, except for in the dreams and that's a good thing: We watch this little big girl and we can only wonder what's brewing under the surface.

I hope that at least sheds some light on my take on the matter.

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I completely understand what you are saying Sandra...and my thoughts are not written to fall negatively on the story...but she does have a rage she tries to keep hidden with her soft deameanor.  It's obvious we have not explored her various layers yet...except perhaps her high pitched scream.   

I would like to see her devloped more...she is tenacious, lonely, lost...but she is in a changed world where everyone has lost someone now...it's all she knows.  She's a great character with a lot of levels...I'd just like her to not be so passive.

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I completely understand what you are saying Sandra...and my thoughts are not written to fall negatively on the story...but she does have a rage she tries to keep hidden with her soft deameanor.  It's obvious we have not explored her various layers yet...except perhaps her high pitched scream.   

I would like to see her devloped more...she is tenacious, lonely, lost...but she is in a changed world where everyone has lost someone now...it's all she knows.  She's a great character with a lot of levels...I'd just like her to not be so passive.

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Thanks so much for this Morgon. I think we can use this because that's exactly how the audience would be feeling too.

I think they'd be waiting for her to actually say something outside of the dreams.

And this can be used to our advantage in the development aspects of the story.

We're all waiting for a change. Always and in everything. Of course it would be no different in the movies.

Your insight is really appreciated and I don't ever think your comments are negative, but quality thinking.

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I posted the dream sequence setup in my scene so Sandra can do the dream thing next. I'll post the meat of my sequence once hers is done.


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Ok, we're close to done here. We'll post as soon as we finalize.

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George and I have decided we are going to reveal the next installment of Shiva at a very specific time tomorrow.

Consider Eastern Standard time when you think of it-- since we're talking Niagara Falls.

You'll find out its significance when it comes. The ooooh factor cometh.

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Ooooohhhhh!!!!!  Exciting!
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And it's all up. Hope you enjoy my little twist.


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I absolutely loved your scene George and I'm glad you didn't cut it down.

James is a fascinating character and I really enjoyed working with the dream. I tried to make it seem muted and create a scene depicting his coldness and calculations.

He wanted more power and was driven to get the big time weaponry, I think their was a definite reason for that, not just the "just in case" reason he supplied on the surface.

He was serious and he meant business. It's not everyday one gets to look in a mirror like that, and whatever James saw, it led him straight to some serious action.

More to mention later, but I've got some work to do.

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Nicely done you two. I thought that was exciting to read.  And George decided to off his own character.  RIP James.  

But actually that was kind of smart on George's part because he knew he would get another chance at life.  He gets to reincarnate - the last one to get to do that.  So send me your new character George.

One other thing though, I always thought EMPs did electronic damage but not structural damage.

Dreamscale is up next and I'm sure he's already fretting about how he's going to use his kill.

I just woke up so I might not be all that coherent, so after my mind wakes up more I'll update the tracksheet.


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A pure EMP blast only affects electronics, but there are pulse weapons at least rumored to be in development (and one rumored used in Iraq to devastating effect, but little stock can be put in that, to be honest, except to reference it to make up a future weapon in a story like this) that have the effect that James stated. Basically the way it works is that the pulse is so concentrated that it can physically impact its target causing a rather significant explosion, but as opposed to a bullet or bomb, it's a pulse.

And yeah, I'd been thinking about my next character. I knew. I've got something clever cooking.


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haha! I had also thought about killing my own character at least once when the game started. But you beat me to it. Bummer.

It was a nice litle scene (well, more like the largest one in the entire game.LOL). But could please, PLEASE confirm to me who James wanted to kill? I have my suspicions but I'm itching to know. x0

It can't be Shiva. Shiva is an "it", not a "she". But then you did refer to it as an "it" so I'm confused.

And I don't think the snakes would've been that hard to outrun, not hard enough to warrant a character sacrifice anyway :/

Good job regardless.


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Different characters' viewpoints on the same thing. Michael, in my opinion anyway, considers Shiva a female where Leona is more uncertain and only calls Shiva it. But yes, James was taking actions against Shiva "just in case."

Regular snakes would be easy to outrun, but these aren't regular snakes. These critters are manufactured and can do whatever their master says. If that means move at an unnatural speed, then so be it. And James would have been able to outrun them if he had not injured himself trying to slow them down.

Turns out they probably don't even exist.


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Tracksheet is updated and two new characters have been added.
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That's an interesting take especially on my character. But I guess the passage of time will explain that. Interesting in deed. I wonder where we will meet up with the other characters. Only time will tell.


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Are there any character backgrounds for the 2 new characters?  I don't see them anywhere.

I'm doing my best to get my post completed today.  I've been sick since Thursday, so it's been rough going.  I will deliver though, so stay tuned...
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There are character backgrounds for the two new characters but I won't post them until the turn where the characters are going to be introduced.

Sounds like it's been a tough turn for you Jeff, cheers for sticking with it and I hope you feel better soon.
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Jeff,

I'm starting to get what you've got. I think the flu's been going around like wildfire.

Take your time. Don't rush it if you're sick.

I'm making chicken soup.

Hopefully someone can make you some and give you lots of pampering.

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Michael,

I love the interesting work you're doing with the characters on the tracksheet. AND...

I love your avatar!!!!

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Sorry everyone, but I'm going to be a number of hours late.  I feel like shit, but I'm half way done.  Early tomorrow.  Sorry.
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No worries Jeff, thanks for letting us know. Just as a note, I start a new job tomorrow so I have no idea if I'll have access to the internet much less the ability to visit Simply Scripts.  So I won't be able to update the tracksheet when Jeff goes and I probably won't even be able to update this thread.  I'll take care of it when I'm home which may be a bit on the late-ish side.
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No worries Jeff, thanks for letting us know. Just as a note, I start a new job tomorrow so I have no idea if I'll have access to the internet much less the ability to visit Simply Scripts.  So I won't be able to update the tracksheet when Jeff goes and I probably won't even be able to update this thread.  I'll take care of it when I'm home which may be a bit on the late-ish side.


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Sorry for being late with this you guys.  I still feel like crap, but I've got it done.  Just checking it over now and trying to "bold" the headings.  It should be up in less than an hour.
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Ok Jeff,

I'm excited to read the next scene. Remember: Lots of fluids.

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OK, it's up!  I'm not thrilled with it, but I got it done.  I feel like crap, and writing wasn't easy (amazing how many mistakes I was making...like every single workd had to be retyped!).  Guess I'm a bit loopy at the moment.

Hope you guys like it.
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I don't know what else to say but "perfect"!!!

This scene brings us down from up in the clouds somewhere, shows us the mysterious dogs being hauled off and generates some sympathy and future dreams of a happy ending out of Jack.

Jack's enjoyment of golf green despite the gruesome circumstances, the idea of his thoughts entertaining a honeymoon in Niagara-- it all meshes perfectly with the great serpent that "ruins" his game and slides out of the water.

If I were to call a scene perfect, this would have to be it. The flu certainly didn't hurt this whatsoever!!!

Seriously, kudos and more Jeff!

Way to go!

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Wow, I'm glad you liked it Sandra.  I was worried, as things just weren't coming to me very well.  It may have been the vodka on an emty stomach plus the flu that helped...who knows?
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Well Mister Bush!  You have a couple of fans...myself being one of them! I think the golfing is so true to Jack Stone's personna.

I loved how you went back and tied in the relationship with Albert through the CB and Eddy's sinister self answers...

I too liked the silly/harmless connection between Sam and Jack...nice, friendly banter back and forth...

Sorry that you took yourself out though  ;(  Not to worry...I will remember you!

Fantastic work...whitty, fun, real and "cheesy good", all at the same time!!  

You may have had a stuffy head...but you didn't have a stuffy mind! *wink*  


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I have been up in Washington State for the past 4 days and am just now getting caught up with all the additions on the site.  (Sitting at the airport at present) Sandra and George...marvelous job and also kudos with the collaboration...it shows!  

Nice tie into the 3:00 in his dream...and what a whickedly awesome dream!  My applause for all of the last 3 posts!  VERY NICELY DONE!!!

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I've been thinking about Jeff's scene and I want to add some reason to why I think it's goes deep.

First, we can wonder: Why does Jack want to go and play some golf at a time like this. But why does anyone do anything? And what's that first stage of grief? Denial?

I think that this is a really good "psychological" example of "dealing" during these times.

Jack starts dreaming and talking about honeymoons almost like he "knows" the end is near. He can probably feel it in his very bones.

And now, I can't help but think about the correlation with Citizen Kane. How? The encapsulation of good times and memories is all wrapped up inside "the sled". It doesn't matter what "the thing" is.

For Jack Stone, it's golf. To just go out and have that experience despite everything-- that's what he wants and even if he dies, he's gonna do that. And he does.

Because of that, I consider Jack Stone's character a complete success. Again, a bittersweet ending.

It brings this script above any gore factor or normal (stupid word to use) kind of horror and I appreciate that work a lot.

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Very nice scene Dreamscale. Short and sweet. Things are really getting intense now. It's funny how most of the initial scenes were long sequences with lots of action, and yet these more dialogue-oriented posts are much stronger.

Sad that Jack had to go. Swallowed by a snake *shudders* :S Why's everyone killing their own characters, anyway?

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Very nice scene Dreamscale. Short and sweet. Things are really getting intense now. It's funny how most of the initial scenes were long sequences with lots of action, and yet these more dialogue-oriented posts are much stronger.

Sad that Jack had to go. Swallowed by a snake *shudders* :S Why's everyone killing their own characters, anyway?

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Lots of reasons.

Save the others, kill yourself.

Make sure your character has an interesting death.

or just dont want to kill off someone elses character

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Glad everyone seems to like my post.  It was difficult for me as I've been sick for a week now and my computer has been on the fritz.  I just replaced my 7 year old cable modem (normal life expectancy is 2 years).  I'm back up and running adn everythign seems to be working again.  I'm still under the weather but feeling a bit better.

Looking forward to how this will all play out.
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Sad that Jack had to go. Swallowed by a snake *shudders* :S Why's everyone killing their own characters, anyway?


I wanted to go for something more heroic for Dr. Fleming, so I wanted to write it myself. I also knew I could create another one if I did, and you better believe I won't kill Wolf (or Timber) off. I will miss James, though. I liked him.


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I'm dying to know what this "Wolf" and "Timber" thing is?  They sound like dogs to me.  Do tell...
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*evil laugh* Just throwing another monkeywrench into what we believe the world to be. After all, the real world is unpredictable, so this one should be too. I'll let them be revealed in due time.


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Interesting turn Yohn, out of curiousity who was killed?

I have to run off to work so I can't update the tracksheet for a few more hours. Orange is up next I think and she has Wolf and Timber to introduce.   They are Georges new character.  

I think I forgot to send her the character information, so I'll put it in the next post.
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Was there supposed to eb a kill?  If so, I'd say it needs to be added in.

We finally get teh Wolf and Timber intro.  Very funny...and interesting.  I route for Timber to be the lone survivor!!!!!
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So is that my Challenge Cornetto? To introduce Wolf and Timber?
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I don't think I got a challenge for you from George -  You can get one from him if you want otherwise you can just introduce Wolf and timber.   Wolf and Timber are considered one character - when one goes so does the other.

Though the last turn was good, there will need to be a double kill at some point.  I'll be sure to provide it in someone's special instructions.
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Okay, this is going to be my longest entry, but I swear it's not too long and all of it is important.  I wanted to have a really cool, action oriented death that had some tears in it and love and all that good stuff...so..yeah. I'm sending it to George now.
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wow! that was pdq. I'm looking forward to seeing it. Long and all!
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Yohn that was fabulous!!!

The inner struggle being played out in John also demonstrates what's happening in the big scheme of things.

I was glad to see/hear Cordelia's scream reappearing again at this critical moment.

You've made a tough scene to write seem easy, the mark of talent.

And Piscovirus, staring up at the sky, laughing and talking about love. This is really a scene for an actor to grab hold of.

Way to go!!!

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Is there some special meaning to the name, Piscovirus?  I can't help but laugh every time I read that name/word.  Funny stuff...  
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Agkistrodon Piscivorus is the water moccasin snake or cottonmouth found in the eastern US.
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Ah...very good...very good.  The old cottonmouth...funny, I could name myslef that then I guess, I get cotten mouth quite often...
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I guess I missed the instruction for a challenge associated with the new character. And I thought at least some of you would get a kick out of there being a non-rabid animal in the mix.


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Interesting turn Yohn, out of curiousity who was killed?


In your original email to me, you said my scene was to be a build scene and I had to use my kill... but then you sent a follow up email, saying my scene was chaging to an introduction scene... I misinterpreted the email and thought that meant I wasn't to do a kill in my scene, that it was purely introduction.  My apologies.  I can re-write if you like, or you'd you'd rather pass the kill to the next person that's fine also.
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Good job Yohn...love the inner struggle as well...

I am excited to write my part after Dana...just waiting to see if I need to use any tie in there.

Looks like the snakes are appearing and Cordelia's shrill scream still has an affect.   Cool!


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In your original email to me, you said my scene was to be a build scene and I had to use my kill... but then you sent a follow up email, saying my scene was chaging to an introduction scene... I misinterpreted the email and thought that meant I wasn't to do a kill in my scene, that it was purely introduction.  My apologies.  I can re-write if you like, or you'd you'd rather pass the kill to the next person that's fine also.


No worries. Your email was full of massive information and lots of twists and turns.  As long as you aren't unhappy that you missed the kill, then you don't need to update it.    We can make up the body count later.  

On the other hand if you want to take the kill and update it you can.  So, let me know and I'll hold off on giving the heads up to the next person in your tribe until you finish making your changes.      
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I've added the kill in if that's cool with everyone.

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Wow. Bye-bye Bruce. Wish we'd have gotten to know him better.
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Nicely done Yohn.  I was sort of waiting for Orange to post before I updated the tracksheet.  I'll wait until later today and if she hasn't posted by then I'll update it.
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I'm going to post within the next hour. Sorry it's taken so long...

edit: Okay, I just posted. Sorry it's so long again, hope everyone likes it.

edit again: Also ,I meant to post this earlier but I couldn't find a good link so, i finally ended up going onto youtube. Just in case I got the whole dun nuh's wrong in the scene I posted, here is the song that Michael is humming. Again, sorry about ths video but this is the only thing i could find close to what i was looking for because i dont know what the actual tune is called or if it even has a name..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6MG1DI6d9U

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That was positively lovely orange.  Well done.  Poor Father Holmes - we knew him well.  MBC is up next and I'll have the tracksheet updated in a few.
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This had all the right elements. Really well done Dana!!!

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Tracksheet is updated and emails are sent.  These are the last three turns before Niagra.
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I'm going to be hot on the heels of Dana   I'm almost done...just need to see if Dreamscale has some time to read through it...it's Saturday night after all.

Should be up by morning.


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Well...it's not quite morning...lots of football today...Cardinals are going to the SUPER BOWL! Hurray!!

So my ssssasssy SHIVA group...my post is up.  I will send my challenge to Cornetto.

Hope you enjoy the ride in the candy apple red Barchetta!  It was my challenge.   Thanks Dreamscale!  I loved it!

I wanted to develop Sam's character...sorry there is so much action, but she's by herself so there's not a lot of talking.

She also had to connect with the Detroit Tribe in this post, so I had to move Eddy south so I didn't have to double back in order to meet up with the D-tribe leaving the store.  

Eddy - Alffy...sorry dude...I had to do a kill too...so had to payback for Albert   

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Excellent post MBC!  Seriously, well done.  Probably my favorite post so far in this script.  Sam sure made a transformation and I really like the new Sam (even better than the old Sam, who I also liked).  Looks like she's ready to kick some ass.  You really tied everythign together nicely and everything flowed very well.

Great job!!!!!
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Hey MBC,

Nicely done.  I thought you tied up that segment well in preparation for your new position in the Detroit tribe.

As a note Detroit tribe, Samantha is now part of your tribe.

I'll update the tracksheet when I get home from work.  

Cheers.  
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Close to finishing. Wow! How quick it went. I gotta start preparing my scene. Hope you guys enjoy it.


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Morgan, I thought you did an excellent job with this!!! First off, it wasn't easy because your character was by herself, but I think you really made it work.

The transformation is really wonderful. She's making a stand (LOL -- Stand   ... I made a funny).

Really well done!!!

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Tracksheet is updated and emails are sent.  We're on the home stretch now.
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Thanks Sandra and Dreamscale for the wonderful comments.  I think it does a writer good to hear them

I knew before it was my turn that I wanted to develop Sam's character from the original submitted description.  There was no chaos around her so it worked well to go into her more "Spiritual/Sentimental side of the plane and work that in from dreams and the current life.

I didn't want it to be boring...especially with one character...so hopefully it wasn't   Of course Dreamscale gave me a challenge to acquire a red Barchetta sports car...so that made it interesting...but when I figured out a way to make it happen, I tied that into her Grandmother and fond memories.  I actually loved my challenge as it made me be more creative with my post.   Thanks again Jeff.

I also think it would be fun to know after the post what the challenge for that entry was so we can see how it was incorporated into the post.

I'm also thinking - for future reference and collaborations like this that maybe at the top of our post we also submit a logline.  It would give us great practice on a part of writing sripts that seems to be hard at times.  It would also make referencing back to elements we need to check on a little easier.  

Anyway....sorry to ramble on...   Thank you again for the comments.


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P.S.  Dana...I liked the interaction between Father Homes and Leona and you did a great job of selling that to the reader.  She had true insight into his struggle with his faith and I liked that.

Great job!


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P.S.  Dana...I liked the interaction between Father Homes and Leona and you did a great job of selling that to the reader.  She had true insight into his struggle with his faith and I liked that.

Great job!


I really agree with you here Morgan. The question regarding Father Holmes' faith is really challenged in this movie and I truly believe it's warranted. Dana has brought that out and that's really important.

This movie has to be more than about choosing sides, it has to be about "why", and there also has to be reasons that the characters come up with on their own due to their personal experiences. It seems that that is truly what life itself is about: Choosing to rise to challenges and grow, or to wallow down in the depths of pity, anger, resentment, jealousy, fear...

As writers, we could come up with a whole slew of words from the negative spectrum, but the focus of this dilemma is clear and needs that filtering through the characters or it just becomes another "it's us against them" or "it" story.

I'm extremely pleased with the quality of writing in the posts as we've entered what are really critical times in the script and it's wonderful to see people rising to the challenge.

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When this challenge started we had to state which side we were on...for or against SHIVA.  Obviously it isn't just about which side we have chosen...but developing our characters based on the circumstances that are presented to us in the story as it develops.

Sam definitely took on a new persona...luring Eddy in with the deception of the snake.   She used it to get him back for Albert...and in a way Jack.

There are very few characters I feel this way about in the script whether they are for or against...so it will be harder and harder for me to get rid of characters I think.

I like the posts too because they are bringing more to the table in terms of developing not only the chracters, but also the story.

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Hello guys. I'm just dropping by to tell you that I might be posting a little bit late due to an overwhelming amount of school work. But I'll get to it.

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Okay, I'm done. I just gotta check with Ripley, if he's around.
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That doesn't sound too late at all.  Actually, I think you're early.  Nice!!!  Things are realy moving along nicely in here.
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I'm here. I sent the editing comments.


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Now that's team work!  Nice job!!!
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Posted, guys. I hope you like it. Ripley said something that kind of worried me in a PM, so I'm hoping I did okay.

Don't hesitate to tell me if you have any problems with the scene.

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No, Julio.  You did horrible.  You killed Colin!!!!! Arrrrrgh! And I thought he was going to get in under the wire.

Just kidding.  You did swell, kid.

I think Ripley might be up next.  I'll update the tracksheet after I finish work for the day.
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lol. I'm sorry! No, really, I am. It was a very tough choice. I really didn't want to kill any character.

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EUREKA!!! EUREKA!!! He's got it! Oh yeah!!! Do a little dance!!! Love it Julio!!!!

Wow and more wow!!! You really pulled this off big time!!! And after a whole lot of school work too!!!! I've got a couple things that I'd fix up with edits, but I am so thrilled with your scene you can't even imagine!!!

I'm glad there's not a ration on exclamation marks!!!!!!!

Way to go Julio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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lol. Thank you Sandra. In a sense, school work helped. It actually made me enjoy my writing time some more.

Glad you liked it!

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Absolutely Julio!

The pit of snakes, the dissent among Shiva's followers is the perfect descent into the mystery that is Shiva.

You wrote Piscovirus as neither extremely helpful, but not entirely bad either.

When we're through with this first run, it will be interesting to go deeper into this lovely little snake pit.

P.Ssssss I tried to buy a snake totem the other day in honor of Shiva and they were fresh out of snakes.    

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Wow, nice Julio.  Lots of new twists all of a sudden.  Crazy stuff.  I agree with Sandra that there are some edits, but wow, this thing has taken a big twist.  Occultists, gun fights, and pits of snakes...and even a "swan dive" into said pit of snakes! YES!  Ayyyee!!!

I agree that Colin had to go. He wasn't doing much (no offense, Mr. Cornetto!).

Glad that "the scream" is now being remembered...it's a good visual.

But...how deep was that pit?  How'd Colin not instantly get totally fucked up?  And does our newest snake-girl now have super powers, with that swan dive into said pit?

Overall, I liked it Julio.  Nice job in getting the school work and Shiva project done!

That's what I'm talking about...
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The Pit was relatively big, but not *too* deep in snakes. Colin would've died in seconds if that were the case. Enough snakes to soften Cordelia's fall, but not enough for someone to drown in them.

Cordelia has no superpowers per se, just occassional "reptile-like" abilities. I'm trying to hint that, the more you use them, the more *it* takes over you, which might give a clue about John aka Piscivorus too.

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Tracksheet is updated

Emails are sent

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AAAAAGHHH!!!

I have to admit folks I got been caught up with the OWC and never checked out the Shiva thread since Friday. The last post I read was Yohn talking about not having killed anyone. I have just this minute found out that he went back and killed me! Both brothers dead, what a disaster. I am in mourning.

Serves me right for not keeping tabs on the game, better pay attention from now on.
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Hey Cornetto, updated, yes, but you have Albert and Bruce as being up next...they're dead...we're all dead!  The fucking world is falling down on us...we're all dead!!!!
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jayrex is up next and I copy and paste so it should actually be jayrex/Piscovirus.  Can't do anything about Bruce though.
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Hey Cornetto, updated, yes, but you have Albert and Bruce as being up next...they're dead...we're all dead!  The fucking world is falling down on us...we're all dead!!!!


Not me. I got reincarnated with a split personality.


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I think Jayrex is a bit bogged down right now. He wrote me awhile back, but I haven't heard back of late.

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Quoted from Sandra Elstree.

I think Jayrex is a bit bogged down right now. He wrote me awhile back, but I haven't heard back of late.


This true, I have too much on my plate, scripts, reading, creating, and can I pencil in a date for Valkyrie, aswell as not having to worry about looking for a job come 26th Feb.  I'm in the wrong industry.  Stress is going to get the better of me.

Anyway, I've sent Sandra a proposed idea of mine.  I'll keep thinking and thinking and hopefully I'll have something workable to pass to Sandra.

Wish me luck.


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I know you'll do GREAT Jayrex...it's a stressful time for many...so know that you are not alone and that we understand. ;o


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This true, I have too much on my plate, scripts, reading, creating, and can I pencil in a date for Valkyrie, aswell as not having to worry about looking for a job come 26th Feb.  I'm in the wrong industry.  Stress is going to get the better of me.

Anyway, I've sent Sandra a proposed idea of mine.  I'll keep thinking and thinking and hopefully I'll have something workable to pass to Sandra.

Wish me luck.


You are wished tons of luck!!! It's very hard. No matter how good we may be at multi-tasking. We can still only do one thing at a time.

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Don't worry jayrex. things soon will turn around. . I'm done. Just sent it off to Julio to check. Now, waiting.


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Another one to get rid of their own character.  

Good job Ripley, sorry he had to go.  

Next up is jayrex.  And while he won't be taking us into Niagra proper, he will take us to the outskirts.

I'll update the tracksheet as soon as I'm done with my day's work.  
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I don't understand the last post at all.  I thought Timber was Wolf's pet wolf?  He was human much of this post.  What happened to Sam's red barchetta?  Who got killed?  And who or what killed him?

I'm very confused...  
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WHAT???  Sam lost her pretty candy apple red Barchetta? Poooooooooooo

I hate to say this...but Ripley...sometimes Wolf was the dog and the man and sometimes Timber was the dog and the man...   Are you sleepy?   


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I don't think he was intending to imply timber but I see how you could get confused.  He gets very vague around that part, but I think he is saying Michael is killed by an (generic) animal.
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Anyway, tracksheet is updated and emails are sent.  We are at our destination folks.  
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I apologize for being negative here Ripley, but this is such an important part in the script and I don't get the "vibe" that you really worked on this at all.

My sincerest apologies if you did. It is a very hard time in the story.

First off:

WOLF
I don’t [  ] about you guys but I have no problem walking.

I hate myself when I miss on proofreads. This isn't a good sign. It wouldn't matter a whoot if the rest was filled with effort.

And this:

Timber walks over and carries her.

How can a dog/wolf breed carry a human?

They can if it's explained somehow.

Why does Wolf say: "You're a good man Michael." He doesn't even know him.

At the very end:

Three people and an animal walk: Sam, Leona, Timber and Wolf.

I feel it sums up the emptiness in this scene. Timber is no ordinary animal and these individuals are no ordinary people yet that's all we see on the page.

I understand that you're probably just burned out and have a lot of work so don't worry about it. I just wanted to say though that I feel disheartened by this scene.

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"How can a dog/wolf breed carry a human?"

"sometimes Wolf was the dog and the man and sometimes Timber was the dog"

^That is more so my fault. Ripley had sent me the scene to look over. He had confused Wolf with Timber and neither of us noticed it until, by chance, I gazed over their character bio. I always assumed Wolf was...well...the wolf. I notified him at the last minute, so it's no wonder the confusion still slipped through his scene.

I agree that the scene is very passive and short, but I feel like it was a good breather from all the action-packed sequences we have had so far. If this were a movie, and Ripley had done another action scene, half the audience would've had heart attacks by now.

I do think, however, that Michael's story was building up to a lot; and yet he went out with a whisper rather than a bang. But it is Ripley's character -- he knows how he wants him to go out.

But again, I think, personally, Michael being "dropped" emphasizes on the bleakness of our story. I had mixed views on the scene, but I felt a change of pace/breather was necessary by now.

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My apologies crew.

The names Timber and Wolf. Timber sounds like a person's name. Doesn't it? Why George? (joking) lol. I edited a few portions of it. But I'll read it over again tomorrow to proofread.

What Sandra commented upon not understanding Wolf's line about Michael being a good man, I can explain. Michael didn't snoop through Wolf's bag. IMO, I thought of Wolf's character as seeing that as one sign of telling if someone's good. It's like if someone doesn't read your diary even though he or she knows where it is. Hope that explains it.  

I didn't want to reveal the animal since all the previous scenes had a specific type of animal kill. I wanted to try something unique in not showing what animal it was. Failed. lol.

Also, I didn't want to overwrite this scene. I had an elaborate scene of having dogs kill Michael, but didn't follow through with it. I thought people will get bored reading it. Shouldn't have listened to that side huh? If Michael allows me too, I will like to see if I can get the scene with the dogs in.  

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My apologies crew.

The names Timber and Wolf. Timber sounds like a person's name. Doesn't it? Why George? (joking) lol. I edited a few portions of it. But I'll read it over again tomorrow to proofread.

What Sandra commented upon not understanding Wolf's line about Michael being a good man, I can explain. Michael didn't snoop through Wolf's bag. IMO, I thought of Wolf's character as seeing that as one sign of telling if someone's good. It's like if someone doesn't read your diary knowing where it is. Hope that explains it.  

I didn't want to reveal the animal since all the other scenes had a specific type of animal kill. I wanted to try something unique in not showing what animal it was. Failed. lol.

Also, I didn't want to overwrite this scene. I had an elaborate scene of having dogs kill Michael, but didn't follow through with it. I thought people will get bored reading it. Shouldn't have listened to that side huh? If Michael allows me too, I will like to see if I can get the scene with the dogs in.  

Sorry guys again.


Don't worry about it at all!!! How many times have we all not listened to that little needling voice?

I had that feeling that this was "meant" to be a breather scene and I fully understand that and I think it's a good idea. At the same time as saying that, I think we need to push ourselves onto that next level and really fight to dig into the depths of our characters.

That was probably part of my problem with this scene. I didn't feel like it dug into the characters enough.

We all fall down and the bright side is: YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE UPSWING NOW!!!

If Michael allows you to rewrite, I hope you can bring back the snazzy red vehicle. LOL

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Thanks Sandra.

About the red car, I remember Sam leave her car and pat Timber. I figured she hit a ride with Michael, Wolf, and Leona. But if I get a chance to edit, I'll see if I can bring the red car back.

Didn't see Julio's post. Talking about slow reader. Thanks Julio for the support. I've mentioned some of it above immediately after Julio's post. I wanted to change things a bit. Not continue the same pattern. But I'll wait for Michael's decision. I'm willing to put it in just to see the reaction. lol. It's way different than this one and a bit longer but I'm willing to put it up. Maybe after this, we can have a segment of where we all add our scenes that we either thought of putting in or cut out due to our judgment.  


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Interesting you should say you want to get into the characters more.  Maybe it's time to talk about the next collaborative exercise.

But before we do that, maybe we should discuss whether or not we want to take this one to the next level.  That would involve any number of us doing a rewrite and at x number of months from now we get all the rewrites together and vote on the best one.   Do you think we should do that with this one or do you want to go through this process one more try before we take it to the next step?   I think we are almost ready for that next step, Shiva had some story issues but I think they could be handled in a rewrite.  What do you think?

The next project, which will go on during the rewrite process - if that happens, will be a bit different.  It will be all about character and one of the primary goals will be that it is low budget.  No CGI or special effects, just people.   And strangest of all, no one will get killed - or at least it won't be planned and you'll have to have a darn good reason if you do kill someone off. I'm not 100% certain yet what the premise will be but I'm thinking about paranoia.  How's that sound?  
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Interesting you should say you want to get into the characters more.  Maybe it's time to talk about the next collaborative exercise.

But before we do that, maybe we should discuss whether or not we want to take this one to the next level.  That would involve any number of us doing a rewrite and at x number of months from now we get all the rewrites together and vote on the best one.   Do you think we should do that with this one or do you want to go through this process one more try before we take it to the next step?   I think we are almost ready for that next step, Shiva had some story issues but I think they could be handled in a rewrite.  What do you think?

The next project, which will go on during the rewrite process - if that happens, will be a bit different.  It will be all about character and one of the primary goals will be that it is low budget.  No CGI or special effects, just people.   And strangest of all, no one will get killed - or at least it won't be planned and you'll have to have a darn good reason if you do kill someone off. I'm not 100% certain yet what the premise will be but I'm thinking about paranoia.  How's that sound?  


Without speaking for anyone else at this point, I would like to work on the next collaboration you envision and at the same time, I'd like to keep Shiva as a project that is alive and carries on.

I see no reason to kill off Shiva as we move onto the next step.

Everyone has really done a wonderful job with this and I apologize for the lame: "wonderful" word, but trust me, I mean it in its highest form.

Working with all of you has been such a "wonderful" experience and it wouldn't have happened without you.

The work involved in hosting these threads is enormous and to try and pull it off in a cohesive manner and stay on track is a real challenge!!!

Thanks again to everyone who contributes here and to Don-- he's working behind the scenes-- always gets the job done. Without him, we'd be without.

I'm in a mushy mood, but I really do feel so very thankful for all of you.

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I'm all for helping in some way to rewrite Shiva and make it a more cohesive feature. My suggestion on rewriting would be for one person to go through it all to work it up so it has more of a single mindset going through it. Whoever does it though should have full control over it without fear of repercussions when it comes to tweaking.

Once that is done, I would want everyone to look at THEIR OWN CHARACTER for the dialogue and each person give their character their own unique voice by rewording whatever is said to say the same thing, but however they should say it.

That process will bring the plot together as a whole and make each character as unique as they could possibly be.


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Just a few more things about the last post from Ripley.  And I don't mean to be an ass or anything, so sorry up front...

This scene really bothered me for many reasons.  It is the very first meeting between Sam and the rest of the group, yet there isn't any "meeting" whatsoever for some reason.  Sam just went through this huge transformation that I felt totally worked, and all of a sudden, she just leaves her new car that she loved (because it reminded her of driving in Italy with her Grandmother when she was a kid), and goes on foot with a ragtag group she just came across?  Why?  Does that make any sense at all?

The Wolf/Timber thing was extremely poorly done, and like Sandra said, I don't see much effort here at all.  Wolf is portrayed as the new leader for some reason, while Sam is portrayed as a feeble, weak little girl, even though she's packing at least 3 big guns, and wearing a Kate Beckinsale from Underworld hotass outfit, that would scream out that she's not some weak little follower.

The attack and demise of Michael was very weak and confusing as Hell.  I actually thought that you were thinking that Wolf and Timber were really one character that kind of shape shifted between each other and was the killer of Michael.  Why didn't anyone help Michael, and why was he so pitifully weak?

Where is the group walking to now?  Why wouldn't they be in a car?  I just don't understand any of the motivations for anyone or anything in this post.  And remember, the dogs are dead now, so your other scene you wanted to write wouldn't have worked either.   I thought we were now concentrating on snakes?

I don't know, I'm sorry for being harsh, but this really just didn't cut it at all.

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First | I want to address the scene.  I was a bit let down.  Sam sees other people for the first time so she speeds up to get in front of them so she can stop them.  Remember...everyone in her tribe that started from Ottawa has been killed.  It's a BIG deal to have met up with these people.  

Secondly | what happened when they met...did they talk about what was driving them to the falls...did they talk about the things they had experienced, etc.  People coming from different areas would want to know those things in this type of story...and I felt this submission let us down.

Third | This is almost the place where we head to the falls...what happened to the car...we just sort of come back into the story with the hood up on the old station wagon - which is okay...but other than killing Michael's character...this piece did not contribute to building the story. Besides...Why would they have an old station wagon anyway when nearly every car imaginable is available to them?

Maybe I expected more from you darling Ripley   I don't know...but I feel this was a weak effort. Besides...I think it's time for a vehicle caravan   I miss my Barchetta!!   And I have crocodile tears to prove it! lol

I'm not going to say I'm sorry for being tough on you Ripley...but I want to encourage you to not second guess yourself.    

This is such a wonderful story to work on...so many elements to build into it and characterization to develop...a perfect opportunity for all of us to explore and exercise our writing skills.

With regard to the re-write and when  I think that before we write the next section, we should fine tune this section. It could happen at the same time...but I think that would be overwhelming for everyone.   I think George gave some valid ideas for shaping this story into something great.  I don't want to leave the story...but I think we should have a clearer picture before this next portion begins.

I also agree with George that having one person, who knows where this is going (Cornetto) or someone he fills in on the full extent of what he is going for should go through it to build and strengthen the continuity throughout.  Then the characters can come back through to work on any changes in personality dialogue   that don't fit their personna. Mind you without changing the outcome of the scene.

My 2 cents for what it is worth.    

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Not at all guys.Critique is good.

I cut that introduction scene out because its too much or will get to weak. lol. Everyone knows (I knew) at that scene where Sam pats Timber, they're all going to introduce each other. So, I decided to cut that since it was obvious to have happened and didn't want to waste space.

When I wrote the scene with the car's hood up, they are already gotten passed the introductions spew. They've talked and gotten to know each other. The fact that Wolf tells them this is not a safe place and picks up Sam should show how they gotten along. Or when Sam pets Timber.

I agree I kind of made Sam and Leona weak and if I have a chance to rewrite this, I'm going to change that. But they've walked a long way. Wolf is used to this having been already in the forest. The others are not, they always take a car to go to their destination. Wanted to show that difference.

I agree I let down on Sam's and Leona's character. But I think I did well on Wolf and Michael. I'm not the best character developer and I'm still learning. And one thing I learned, try to keeps things simple for oneself. I focused on two characters. As oppose to all four of them since it would get complicated. I've learned through my shorts. lol.

The death of Michael. He doesn't expect to die, but knows it. He's the second guy, So, I figured why not kill him at that moment. Like I said before, I had an elaborate setup with dogs. But I saw that dog scene as giving importance to Michael. He's not noticed throughout. So, it's a full circle for him - not noticed to not noticed. The only thing he changed was his intent on Shiva. He says thanks to the star for the group and relationships he has. I should have expressed that more in the scene.

Thats enough of me rabbling, I'm down with the rewrite. And I like George's idea.


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Why would they have an old station wagon anyway when nearly every car imaginable is available to them?




I  can answer that since I am the one that introduced the station wagon into the picture.
I never mentioned it was an old station wagon. If I did in passing that is a typo. There are definitely new station wagons being made today with the same aesthetics as your regular sedan and because of their popularity in the soccer mom crowd I assume they will continue to be made in the future.

Also, I understand there are a plethora of cars available to our tribes, considering there is no one else alive but I think they would have to chose between cars that have both space, gas, and that still run.

Which is why they aren't in an SUV. Bad mileage = more stops = takes longer to get to a place and more chances of dying if you stop.

Also, a station wagon has lots of room to haul things like goods, weapons and people. There is also room for someone to lay down and sleep should someone become tired instead of having to be cramped up in a small four door car.
I could have just as easily argued for an introduced a camper instead, or possibly a large van, but i felt a station wagon was much more realistic .

I understand there certainly are cool cars for them to drive and it would be nice to see them driving in a mustang or something cool and nice but to me that seems a little less realistic than a station wagon. I also think a station wagon lends itself to more intimacy between the characters than a bmw or something would, simply because it does become like a moving apartment....that's all.

So, the reason why Michael included it in his scene, was for continuity. Though I wish he would have explained WHY the station wagon (which is not old in the sense that we think old) broke down when i introduced steps to keep it from doing such (the oil from the store). Otherwise, he was keeping continuity.
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With regard to the "old station wagon" )  I don't really care what they drive...truly I don't, but I didn't get why their car had broken down...so I put in the word "old"

In my post I just said station wagon, which you are correct Dana...you never said it was old.  It's merely a play on words...but in reality to what you say...a 4x4, even though it uses more gas now...in the future, who's to say it won't be as economical as other cars. A 4x4 would be sturdier in off road situations, etc.  I guess what I am trying to say here...my comment about the car was frivilous banter since they broke down and had to walk and they don't even know where they are going...especially when Sam had a red Barchetta.  I was hoping someone was going to put Michael or Leona in the passenger seat and start a caravan to the falls...instead we are walking and we are at least 50 minutes away by car...and we are on foot...that's a long way.  

Additionally My Dear Ripley...you mentioned you have learned from your shorts to keep things brief...but this isn't a short.  You have an opportunity to make things happen, develop characters...fuel the fire of emotion as we head to Niagara.  Each and everyone is an important link to the past and the future and ultimately the outcome of the overall story.  

I don't think the scene did a good job of setting things up to move us on and that's my biggest gripe about it.  It just sort of "is".

Use your opportunity wisely "Grasshopper" in future.   

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Life's never simple especially in this world. I also wanted to show Wolf doing what he does best surviving in the woods or more like it in the streets.  

To MBCGirl, I admit I have a few things to fix in this scene especially the last portion. I'm still learning, master.


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I am also a "Grasshopper" ...so completely new at this stuff and it really does take a different mind set.   Writing a story is very different than writing a screenplay and before I write my feature (in the brain already) I wanted to get a true feel for this through the exercises available on this site...so that is exactly why I am here.

Ripley, I don't want to "squash" you...but rather motivate you.  If you ever need any help...or a sounding board...you can count on me!    okay?


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OK, I'm sure we're now into the old beating a dead horse deal, but I have to say something else about these recent posts here, and I think it's important.

We all had the ability to put our characters into whatever vehicles we chose, and there aren't any wrong choices...it's merely a matter of personal preference.  But let's undrstand that Detroit to Niagara Falls is less than 240 miles, so just about any vehicle that I'm familiar with would get there on a single tank of gas, and that's based on mileage that vehicles get now...30 years from now, one would imagine that gas mileage would increase, as it's been recently.

The point I want to make here is that when this whole thing started out, it was very easy to get a picture of where each person was starting out, where they were going, how far away it was, and what the possible routes were to get there.  It seems like alot of people didn't do the very basic research necessary to understand this, and that's kind of weak in my mind.

There's a few posts in here in which the scenes don't make any sense just based on where they are, and I just don't understand how anyone could get off course so easily.  I know we've all got stuff going on outside of this little exercise, but it really doesn't take that much to keep things in the realms of plausibility and on course IMO.

Ripley's last post leaves our group somewhere near St. Catherines, which is no way a walk from Niagara Falls.  It's also not a wooded area...it's a town with golf courses, parks, a college...it's a town and I just don't understand what's going on with them leaving a perfectly good car (Sam's) and heading into the woods.  There would be other cars everywhere around here.  Again, it makes me think that there wasn't much thought if any as to where they were, and where they're going.

Sorry for my rants...must be the rare rain we had here this morning.  I don't mean to come off as a know it all or A-Hole, but sometimes I guess I just can't help myself.
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You know, Ripley, if you did a minor rewrite to the scene, you wouldn't be the first to do so. Yohn went from no kills to killing someone in the most drastic rewrite. I doubt anyone will fault you for taking feedback and improving it.

Michael can shoot me down on that one if he wants, but this is an exercise as much as a game, so I would think that given the feedback you got, it might be worth revisiting. Depending on who is next on the Detroit tribe, there might be some time.

Oh, and for the record, they topped off the tank in the station wagon in Sarnia where they picked up the car originally.


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I'm going to edit it. Just need a breather from it. I'm starting to outline it.


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Hey Rip, hope you're not pissed about all this feedback.

First question to take into consideration, is, why isn't this scene taking place outside Hamilton, ON, like MBC's post finished with?  That's where they are, and that's where Sam gets out and pets Timber.  How'd they get to St. Catherines?

Start it out from the last post in that area, and you'll be on your way.

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Webster's going to die. lol. I'm not going to change that one. Thanks for the advice Dreamscale. Don't worry about the critiques. I can take them. I'll have this posted soon.  Now how do i go by posting the revision? Do I have to do it earlier than Jayrex or can I just put it in?  


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Just "modify" your actual post.  That would be the easiest, I'd say.
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Just "modify" your actual post.  That would be the easiest, I'd say.


That's the best way. That way you don't have to worry about beating anyone or deleting the original. Click modify and have at it.


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Alright. Thanks guys.


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I am also a "Grasshopper" ...so completely new at this stuff and it really does take a different mind set.   Writing a story is very different than writing a screenplay and before I write my feature (in the brain already) I wanted to get a true feel for this through the exercises available on this site...so that is exactly why I am here.

Ripley, I don't want to "squash" you...but rather motivate you.  If you ever need any help...or a sounding board...you can count on me!    okay?


Boy is that ever true!!! Writing takes so many forms and the Novel form versus script form are completely different. Then consider short stories, articles... all the genres... It's all different.

I completely agree. No one wants to squash anyone. Some of us are more to the point than others, but the whole idea here is to work on the craft and working with others helps us to see things we might not see otherwise. Or, if we have a hope in hell at seeing it, it might not be for a long while.

Something that I really appreciate about a collaboration like Shiva, is that it's a living breathing thing. (At least to me it is.) The writers inject something into it that is completely unique and their own. It influences the other writers and brings them into an amazing journey. It doesn't even feel like fiction at this point. It's like it crosses over into something else.

We are truly very blessed to live in such times as this. (And cursed too I guess in some ways.) But we can join together from all around the world and work together. If there ever were a magic in anything. And I believe there is-- there's definite magic in that.

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We are truly very blessed to live in such times as this. (And cursed too I guess in some ways.) But we can join together from all around the world and work together. If there ever were a magic in anything. And I believe there is-- there's definite magic in that.

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group hug? lol.

But seriously...i'm excited to see what happens when the sole survivor takes on whatever it is that calls them...the fight of the century I say.
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OK, I'm sure we're now into the old beating a dead horse deal, but I have to say something else about these recent posts here, and I think it's important.

We all had the ability to put our characters into whatever vehicles we chose, and there aren't any wrong choices...it's merely a matter of personal preference.  


I had a smile on my face when I thought to myself: You know what my vehicle of choice is?

Car.

No kidding. I always think I need to go and ask someone else what KIND of car they should be driving.

At least now I know I have a living and breathing "car dictionary" to go to for help.  

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A dream is in progress, but I'm waiting to hear back from Javier.

I've been studying the script and tried to clear up something that started nagging at me about what was going on.

I won't say what it is right now, (there are other things besides this), but in particular, this one thing I feel needs to be addressed in the rewrites.

I'm going to try and ameliorate this one aspect that, although it is difficult, it's also a good challenge to work with. The experiment will be to use a character to lay out the flaw and question it.

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Hey, what's happening here?  Aren't we already at least a day behind schedule?  Who are we waiting on?  Is Ripley rewriting his post?

What's the deal???
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A couple of days ago Jayrex wrote, "This true, I have too much on my plate, scripts, reading, creating, and can I pencil in a date for Valkyrie, as well as not having to worry about looking for a job come 26th Feb.  I'm in the wrong industry.  Stress is going to get the better of me. Anyway, I've sent Sandra a proposed idea of mine.  I'll keep thinking and thinking and hopefully I'll have something workable to pass to Sandra. Wish me luck."

As for me, I'm still writing, working things out.  


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Hey, what's happening here?  Aren't we already at least a day behind schedule?  Who are we waiting on?  Is Ripley rewriting his post?

What's the deal???


I'm on the case.  I've sent Sandra my bits.  And she'll be getting back to me.

I'll probably need to touch it up towards the end.  We're working on a few ideas.


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Yep, they're overdue for a post.  How's it going guys?

Just saw this


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I'm on the case.  I've sent Sandra my bits.  And she'll be getting back to me.

I'll probably need to touch it up towards the end.  We're working on a few ideas.



So, when do you think you two will be done?
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I'm done and I think Jayrex is too. I'll be helping to clean up a little bit of nitpicks and we'll be posting very soon.

I would say this afternoon by about 6 pm mountain time if all goes well. It could be as early as within the next hour. About 3 pm. Hey! Maybe we can try for another 3:00 o'clock!!!! Woooooo!  

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Jayrex is soon to post.

I have to go out very quickly.

If he's posted by then, mine will follow not long after that.

He's done a super job with all his other work and commitments. Kudos Javier!!!

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There's a few posts in here in which the scenes don't make any sense just based on where they are, and I just don't understand how anyone could get off course so easily.  I know we've all got stuff going on outside of this little exercise, but it really doesn't take that much to keep things in the realms of plausibility and on course IMO.

Ripley's last post leaves our group somewhere near St. Catherines, which is no way a walk from Niagara Falls.  It's also not a wooded area...it's a town with golf courses, parks, a college...it's a town and I just don't understand what's going on with them leaving a perfectly good car (Sam's) and heading into the woods.  There would be other cars everywhere around here.  Again, it makes me think that there wasn't much thought if any as to where they were, and where they're going.


Dude, you need to remember that not everybody knows the areas we are talking about here, quite a few of us do not live in the US and those of us that have travelled there are most likely not have been to this area. Google Earth is okay but not really the best tool to accurately pinpoint locations and routes, I have driven all over California but have never set foot on anywhere in the East.

Maybe Michael for the next one you could think about not setting it in the US? Why not set it in Eastern Europe or New Zealand or somewhere where most of us are at the same disadvantage with regard to geography.

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Javier will be modifying his post to take the dream out of it. We were working with it inside of the one document and it's still there.

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Mission completed.

Sandra and I are done.

I hope I've left it in an area that GM Giles can use to pick up from.


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Good work guys, A lot to get my head around but you are right in that I have some good stuff to work with. That was nicely done.



Right, I will try my best to get something up as soon as I can. I have a few ideas worked out.

But, it is Australia Day today and that does mean vast quantities of alcohol, piles of bbq sausages and lots of Tennis to watch. So I cannot promise anything today, However there is always the chance I can get mine done before I do anything else, so will try.
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Okay, Just thought. Where did Wolf come from? Is he not walking on the road with the others?

Does that mean that Sam and Leona are there too?
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Hahaha! Poor George - I mean Wolf.  

Nicely done you two.  This is a good start to the end. A bit on the cliche side of things, with the drums and all, but  I don't mind.

GM is up and he's watching, so he knows.  I update the tracksheet but it is Australia Day after all and I should be celebrating.
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Hey Giles, it doesn't matter whether or not you've been to any of these areas...I know I sure haven't been anywhere near there in many, many years.  But we all have the same tools available to us, as far as I know.  Any mapping website is all one needs to check out an area, directions from one location to another, etc.  If you're not familiar with them, here's a couple that should really help...

Google maps
Mapquest maps
AAA maps

With these, you can literally zoom in on any area and see exactly what's in the immediate area.

Hope this helps.
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Hey Giles, it doesn't matter whether or not you've been to any of these areas...I know I sure haven't been anywhere near there in many, many years.  But we all have the same tools available to us, as far as I know.  Any mapping website is all one needs to check out an area, directions from one location to another, etc.  If you're not familiar with them, here's a couple that should really help...

Google maps
Mapquest maps
AAA maps

With these, you can literally zoom in on any area and see exactly what's in the immediate area.

Hope this helps.



Err Cheers, but have used a map before. Like I said, Google Earth is okay but certainly no substitute for actually having been to a place. I think it is a little harsh to complain of people getting geography not entirely correct when you are talking to people who live all over the globe.  I would be inclined to give some leeway with regards to matters of geography, after all If Jack Bauer can get from one side of LA to the other in 15 mins then we can be afforded the same poetic licence.

If one was writing a solo script then yes I would expect the homework to be better, but it is hard enough trying to follow on from someone else and all the twists and turns that they have introduced without worrying about whether some town really does have a golf course or not.


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Hahaha! Poor George - I mean Wolf.  

Nicely done you two.  This is a good start to the end. A bit on the cliche side of things, with the drums and all, but  I don't mind.

GM is up and he's watching, so he knows.  I update the tracksheet but it is Australia Day after all and I should be celebrating.


Our dear Ripley is still involved with rewrites; so maybe he can do some back pedaling and do something in the set up for Wolf being extremely important in all of this.

In the rewrites- maybe we can specify that the drums are the traditional Hindu Damru drums.  

I'm sure that George is going to have a field day after GM gets through with his work.

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Our dear Ripley is still involved with rewrites; so maybe he can do some back pedaling and do something in the set up for Wolf being extremely important in all of this.

In the rewrites- maybe we can specify that the drums are the traditional Hindu Damru drums.  

I'm sure that George is going to have a field day after GM gets through with his work.

Sandra




We'll see Sandra, I must admit though that any plans I had have been binned now, I can honestly say I do not have a clue what to do from here. I'll be no doubt thinking of this all day, maybe getting drunk will help. I genuinely do not understand what is going on.
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Sorry to say it again, but I'm completely lost once again.  How'd Wolf show up at this altre palce or whatever it is?  Where's Timber and the others?  How'd this giant Shiva alter thing get built so fast?  If I'm not mistaken, we're still in the same day (or possibly the next) as when the very first piece was posted.

Hmmm, maybe I'm not drinking enough to keep up?  Beign Sunday, I probably won't be able to catch a big enough buzz to properly comprehend this.
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Sorry to say it again, but I'm completely lost once again.  How'd Wolf show up at this altre palce or whatever it is?  Where's Timber and the others?  How'd this giant Shiva alter thing get built so fast?  If I'm not mistaken, we're still in the same day (or possibly the next) as when the very first piece was posted.

Hmmm, maybe I'm not drinking enough to keep up?  Beign Sunday, I probably won't be able to catch a big enough buzz to properly comprehend this.


I went back and re-read the whole script more than once in some parts.

One thing that bothered me was that these wonderful characters were being built and then killed off without any kind  of tie ups. It seemed very pointless; so that's why I had Piscivorus bring it up in the dialogue with Wolf in the dream and relating it to life. Like they've done this countless times before both Wolf and good ole Pesco and they both do tire sometimes- but that's the way she rolls around.

These two important characters arrived in the script late and I started to question why? What do they mean to everything? In the dream it's alluded that these guys go wa...y back in a circle of time.

Research Shiva and serpents and it's all about the cycles of birth and death/destruction creating new cycles.

The feeling I got was that this was being set up to have Wolf and Piscivorus play important rolls (Ah, that might be roles).

Javier set up the idea that Cordelia was Shiva's child and this works well for her character. There's a potential in future work for Innocence to fight to try and protect Cordelia, but Cordelia flat out refuses. Could Cordelia be growing up? Is she grown up already but only playing a child?

Regarding getting somewhere soon:

Having two definite honorable people: Piscovirus and Wolf fighting the good fight seems like a good showdown.

Julio wrote about "the blasphemers" and I think having this "third element" to complicate  things is really good.

The clarification of who these blasphemers are and their role is open for speculation.

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Err Cheers, but have used a map before. Like I said, Google Earth is okay but certainly no substitute for actually having been to a place. I think it is a little harsh to complain of people getting geography not entirely correct when you are talking to people who live all over the globe.  I would be inclined to give some leeway with regards to matters of geography, after all If Jack Bauer can get from one side of LA to the other in 15 mins then we can be afforded the same poetic licence.

If one was writing a solo script then yes I would expect the homework to be better, but it is hard enough trying to follow on from someone else and all the twists and turns that they have introduced without worrying about whether some town really does have a golf course or not.


Here I go again   First off...I knew nothing about and have never been to the Ottawa area, but I spent a good deal of time working out location and details...mainly because if this were ever filmed...it's silly little stuff like distance and time issues and character location that can throw things off and cause people to not take the story seriously.

Additionally...Giles...this isn't just directed at you...I hope you know that I say it for all of us and hopefully to help us grow as a team. This is a collaborative effort...and each participant is responsible for gathering information from the prior scenes...checking out where character's are located, develop the characters and story line.  

Allegory:  When a relay team runs a race...it is extremely important for each and every member of the team to do their very best in order to win. During the Olympics in China we saw winners and losers based on this key component.

When you baton to the next person in our SHIVA team...let's look at leaving the next person in the best position to complete their scene.  I really want everyone to know that I take this seriously...it's a way for me to learn and grow as a writer...and no matter where we live or come from...we owe it to each other to take the extra steps to make it easier for each other.  

Example: When I found us all walking in the woods after my last post...it bothered me so I looked it up...we were still over 50 minutes by vehicle to Niagara Falls...so that's even farther at a walk.

So that brings me to the most recent post.  There are a few things I like about it...the dark mystery...the lights...the night.  I feel I can see it.  

What "trips me up" about it is that Wolf is there and we are still too far away walking...and if Wolf were there...what happened to Timber his pet wolf (Timber and Wolf are one complete character. (both have to be present) and where are Sam and Leona now?  Wouldn't most viewers be asking those same questions?

I'm not asking for ALL the dots to be connected...but this is one of those situtaions that people would be going, "What happened to Timber, Sam and Leona...where are we?????"  

Again...not sorry...just want to make sure everyone knows I speak up so we can all grow.


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Jayrex's scene starts out like this...

quote=jayrex]INT.  RAINBOW BOULEVARD – NIGHT
Piscivorus sits in the driver’s seat of the family size car.

Huge problems right off the bat.  Hopefully, we all undertand why...
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Jayrex's scene starts out like this...

quote=jayrex]INT.  RAINBOW BOULEVARD – NIGHT
Piscivorus sits in the driver’s seat of the family size car.

Huge problems right off the bat.  Hopefully, we all undertand why...


Last time we saw Piscivorus he had invited everyone into his car and they were heading for the Falls. So that made sense to me. It is Wolf that has posed some questions, but that can be worked out I think.
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By the way, who did Javier kill?
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By the way, who did Javier kill?


He pointed to Heidi being the one that was going to be killed in the sacrifice, but he didn't finish it off.

I agree, we've got some jumps here. I think they all are good challenges for us to work out in the rewrites.

Re: Locations

They are important and no one is dismissing them. We'd have to be completely ignorant to dismiss them, but when working on the scenes we are not always working in "linear". Whatever the hell that means LOL.

The questions raised are all really good ones and we need to address them.

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Ok, then whomever is next  with heads up will have to do a double kill.   You guys do remember that this is set up as a game?  The kills are important because there needs to be the correct number of characters at the end.  
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No, the point I was making is that the scene says it's INT. RAINBOW BLVD, and then the first sentence says that Pisc sits in the car.  From there, we go back outside as the car somehow crashes, back inside the car again, etc.

The scene heading makes no sense at all, and that's how we get started!
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Last time we saw Piscivorus he had invited everyone into his car and they were heading for the Falls. So that made sense to me. It is Wolf that has posed some questions, but that can be worked out I think.


Just to let you know Giles, blame me not Javier.

We were working to incorporate Wolf and I had been taking a bird's eye view of the script-- especially Wolf and Piscivorus.

I take responsibility for Wolf's appearance here.

We had both been waiting for something from Ripley and it didn't happen yet; so I was trying to wrap my mind around this critical time and figure out a way to "not" disregard" the characters that have already died through the dream dialogue.

Javier was bringing us to something important that was going on that Julio had already set up with the occultists.

The scene he produced is really strong.

What are our options here? Another "On the road again" scene?

This is something we can study as we move forward.

How many road scenes until something major happens?

It's an excellent question.

As far as figuring out the locations, I don't see a problem on either side of the fence. We all agree it's important and we'll definitely work out the details.

Good questions. Good discussion. That's what it's all about.

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No, the point I was making is that the scene says it's INT. RAINBOW BLVD, and then the first sentence says that Pisc sits in the car.  From there, we go back outside as the car somehow crashes, back inside the car again, etc.

The scene heading makes no sense at all, and that's how we get started!


Ah! I see what you're saying. It needs changing to EXT. RAINBOW BLVD.

And we're inside the car.

Good spotting on this.

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Ok, then whomever is next  with heads up will have to do a double kill.   You guys do remember that this is set up as a game?  The kills are important because there needs to be the correct number of characters at the end.  


This is fun. Now I'm wondering who's going to get killed next. But I love them all so much that it's hard to see them go.  

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It's not just that it should be an EXT. shot to start out, it's all messed up, cause there's both EXT. and INT. shots mixed together.

So, what happened to Timber, Sam, and Leona?  And why no kill again?

Information...we want information...
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This is bullshit...putting it mildly   There are certain rules that should be followed in this game and I really don't care who's fault it is...that is irrelevant...we should just follow the rules.  Why is that so hard to do?

Sandra...you mentioned in one of your posts you had just gone back and reviewed this...I can understand Wolf being in the dream, but he should NOT have been in the post.

Additionally people...why does it always have to fall to the rewrite?  How can we conduct a collaborative effort and not follow through with the basic fundamentals of this game?

Sandra...I'going to say this...not to hurt your feelings...but maybe it still will.  Your dream seemed more like back story than a dream...and again you have managed to control where this story goes.  That in of itself does not bother me...but if you are going to take that role...then follow through.

If we are going to help each other...then let's do that.  

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I see no problem with Heidi's death scene being implied but not seen yet. We know she's gonna die in the next turn in the double kill, so what's the problem here? As long as it is a one-time-only, it's fine by me.

As for Wolf -- come on, guys. You're writers. Be creative. Astral projection, chameleon reptoid...there are dozens of possibilities.

Maybe it was a fake Wolf, and when we see him again that might create conflicts between him and the NY tribe. The possibilities are endless for the next turn.

This is a collaborative effort, and I, for one, see this last turn as a challange, not a set-back.

And as for the dream -- I agree, they are getting a little too informative. But then again, we're nearing the end. They cannot be incoherent sequences forever.

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This is bullshit...putting it mildly   There are certain rules that should be followed in this game and I really don't care who's fault it is...that is irrelevant...we should just follow the rules.  Why is that so hard to do?

Sandra...you mentioned in one of your posts you had just gone back and reviewed this...I can understand Wolf being in the dream, but he should NOT have been in the post.

Additionally people...why does it always have to fall to the rewrite?  How can we conduct a collaborative effort and not follow through with the basic fundamentals of this game?

Sandra...I'going to say this...not to hurt your feelings...but maybe it still will.  Your dream seemed more like back story than a dream...and again you have managed to control where this story goes.  That in of itself does not bother me...but if you are going to take that role...then follow through.

If we are going to help each other...then let's do that.  

I'm aggrivated right now by all this.


I can't help your aggravation. I'm sorry for that, but I'm doing my best here.

And I don't want Javier to be blamed.

As far as the question of "should nots". I think you are limiting the potential of what can happen and forgetting that writing is rewriting.

Forwards in time happen all the time in movies and I'm not saying that this is what should happen here, but people are trying to create interesting scenes, not ruin it.

I know for a fact that Javier didn't intend to mess up with incorporating Wolf. I don't understand why you seem to be pissed off and screaming bullshit. I wouldn't expect that.

It was a solid scene in my humble opinion. I see things as being very fluid. LOL (Get it? The water? Fluid?) Seriously though.

We can wipe Wolf from the scene. We can wipe out the entire last dream scene. We are working here and that means that we bring something to the table (insert tea lights and wine or hard stuff if you prefer) and we can also remove it.

However we approach it, it's important to remember that we are all on the same team here. We are all, to the best of our abilities trying to adhere to "the basic fundamentals" of the game.

I see people trying really hard. This is more than a game to many of us and I think that your intensity echoes that sentiment.

We must maintain control however and recognize that we can remain liquid and that errors and miscalculations of any sort are part of the whole exercise.

What could we argue or discuss if we were all perfect here?

We're here to learn and part of that means making mistakes.

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Don't re-write it. I already presented dozens of possibilities for Wolf's prescence in this last scene. What's a game without a little challenge?
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This is a collaborative effort, and I, for one, see this last turn as a challenge, not a set-back.

And as for the dream -- I agree, they are getting a little too informative. But then again, we're nearing the end. They cannot be incoherent sequences forever.

--Julio
  


You've actually spoken what I felt in my heart, but I couldn't articulate properly. Thanks Julio. Thanks for that a whole lot.

I didn't know what it was, but that's exactly it. I wanted to move past the "big scary God idea" and bring this down to something we could understand. Or not. Good man against Good man-- since I saw both the two new characters as good. Neither had shown up in the script as big and bad but as helpful.

There was something that had to be revealed-- it had to come forward and that's why I chose to work with Wolf and Piscivorus.

Shiva seems too big a concept to work with properly; so the idea of bringing one of his/her aspects down to earth in the form of Rudra (the healer) and also consider the potential battle between Wolf and Piscivorus... as part of the cycle of things appealed to me.

Julio's "third element" I thought was excellent and I grabbed onto it like Wolf grabbing onto a good hunk of meat.

When Javier sent me the first draft of his scene, I really was impressed. He was capturing the night and working with the rituals that seem to have been going on all along, unbeknownst by our lovely characters that received their calls.

I don't know if it's possible or how everyone feels about it, but I'd love to see the characters in their ghost forms at the end of this.

However it goes though-  

I feel that these characters need to be depicted as not having lived in vain.

Jack's round of golf sticks in my mind, (and know that being eaten by a serpent is actually believed to be an initiation if anyone wants to use that) but this was the scene that had me thinking a lot about how the other characters had died.

When I recognized that Jack had went out doing something he loved, it struck a chord with me. The bittersweet ending did have a tie up.

It's then that all the deaths started to become a question to me. And what really had me thinking was when Colin was done in...

He's the one that started out our story... How could he die? I asked myself.

Maybe too other people are still thinking about Albert. I am. I'm thinking about him and how he talked with his wife passed over... and ALL the languages he'd learned.

James had this real power to him and he was going with full force to get the "ultimate weapon". ...

Sam experienced this "big change". She was going for the gusto! Going for payback!

It goes on...

It seems right that we consider our dead.

Maybe I'm being over sentimental.

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Reaper is right, don't worry Sandra, it is better overall that people are getting to the final destination quicker, there are ways of explaining Wolf being there, just gonna need some imagination.

I don't know why there is this feeling that everything needs to be rooted in reality, this is the movies for God's sake, movies always take liberties with location and time. We have a story here about giant man eating serpents, Gods being reincarnated and people following dreams to the Niagra Falls. Why are people worrying about how many miles someone has walked? It makes no sense.

I did actually begin my scene with a comedic idea that nobody could be heard on Three Sisters Island, the noise from the falls would make it difficult for anyone to hear and the constant spray may well mean that it is impossible to light a fire. I mean it is a tiny island only a couple of hundred feet big and in the middle of the Niagra Falls. So I did my research and realised they would need to move back to Goat Island just to be heard. But that was just stupid, it is the movies and if we want a quiet Three Sisters Island then we can have one, just like we can have people move 50 miles in 2 minutes if we want to too.

I will start again, I will kill 2 people but don't expect anything till tomorrow night (Tuesday morning US) as not gonna be able to finish anything today and back at work tomorrow.

But don't change anything in the meantime co's that will just mess me up.

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But don't change anything in the meantime co's that will just mess me up.

Cheers.


We are all working frantically and appreciate the dedication and intensity that people have demonstrated. The dedication is strong and the people here really do care or they wouldn't bother. That's clear. The caliber of writers and their brain power makes me shake my head and wonder about the very best work we can create. Even if it's never produced-- I still wonder about it.

If we care this much, it means a lot. It means that together, we are a group that cares-- and about every detail. To me, that says we've got some people that deserve high respect even though they'd probably toss it aside saying, "This? Ha! It means nothing yet!'

There's a crew of perfectionists here. They scrutinize and analyze until the cows come home.

Working with souls that care like this is the reward.

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It's not just that it should be an EXT. shot to start out, it's all messed up, cause there's both EXT. and INT. shots mixed together.

So, what happened to Timber, Sam, and Leona?  And why no kill again?

Information...we want information...


This question needs to be brought up.

Let's work on this.

Thanks Jeff for your good thinking.

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I'm going to post within the next hour. Sorry it's taken so long...

edit: Okay, I just posted. Sorry it's so long again, hope everyone likes it.

edit again: Also ,I meant to post this earlier but I couldn't find a good link so, i finally ended up going onto youtube. Just in case I got the whole dun nuh's wrong in the scene I posted, here is the song that Michael is humming. Again, sorry about ths video but this is the only thing i could find close to what i was looking for because i dont know what the actual tune is called or if it even has a name..

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I was a bit thrown by Wolf's presence, but I can think of at least two possibilities (possibly more if my mind wanders enough) that would give the audience the impression of Wolf being there (or that he's actually there).

One is that it's not Wolf at all, though that might come off as cheap.

Another is the differing time frames mentioned. There's nothing that says the Detroit tribe is traveling at the exact same time as the New York tribe. There could have also been a time lapse between their individual stories and it's up to whoever is next in the Detroit lineup to catch it up. (ref. Lord of the Rings where we see Pippin pounced on by a horse in the Rohirrim/Uruk-Hai battle, followed by the three hunters catching up to them where it appears they died, followed by a flashback explaining what really happened to Merry and Pippin) Similar methods were used in the Saw movies to establish their twists (might I mention Saw II?). By this logic, the hour or so that Detroit has to reach the point where New York is could be caught up prior to the next New York turn and covered (meaning that Wolf is apparently safe on the next Detroit turn since he must survive to be there).

If you want to get really metaphysical, though, Wolf could be in two places at once if he's exceptionally skilled at psychokinesis and can transport himself through space to be somewhere else if he wants to be. I imagine, however, that such a thing would be such a long stretch that few of us would buy it.

Personally, I'm down for option two, though I am more than a little surprised at where my character has gone.

Although, do I read this correctly in that GM is next which is a second turn for the New York people? Interesting. I guess Detroit will have some catching up to do.


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Yeah, obviously, there are a multitude of possibilities of how and why anything happened, or could happen...but is that what we're really going for here?  Is that, or was that the intent?

I know I often come off as an A-Hole, and I apologize for that.  I'm a little surprised at MBC's agitation over the last post, but I definitely understand her concerns.  The last couple posts are just littered with things that make absolutely no sense...scene headings that make no sense...plot points that make no sense...tons of mistakes, typos, etc.

In a way, I'm actually kind of glad that I killed myself off, cause at this point, there's just so much happening that it's impossible to follow, keep up with, etc.  Don't get me wrong, I'm still very interested in this project and look forward to each and every new post.  It's just fallen down a few notches recently, and has completely left the realm of believability, as far as I can see.

I definitely do not mean to put anyone down or upset anyone with these comments...it's just how I feel.
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You're working collaboratively. So, people are going to add their interpretations of things even if those interpretations don't seem to make some sense for others. But it's nothing to be bothered about. Critiques are always welcomed since we can apply this to our own scripts. But this is meant to be fun practice.


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Yes, and it has been fun for sure!

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People can relate to that Dreamscale but you've also got be a little open to new ideas. It's a middle line. lol  


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I hear ya, Rip.  I've got no problems with new ideas or anything else for that matter.

I was simply echoing MBC's little rant, and I do think it's important that everyone try and put forth the best effort they can.  Mistakes will always pop up, but they shouldn't be running rampant throughout each post.

Again, I'm merely throwing out comments on how I feel about things here, and in the long run, it's all meant to help...not to hurt.

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You know, I didn't even think about the fact that Wolf couldn't possibly be there until today.  That's probably because I had a lot on my mind yesterday. But that will have to be changed in the rewrite probably because the Detroit tribe is on the other side of the river.  If GM hasn't written about the Wolf character yet - I would urge you guys to change it now.  The Detroit and New York tribes aren't supposed to meet until the last scene and that is supposed to happen on the Rainbow Bridge.

In other news, Alffy is off in non SS land and as kind of expected does not want to do his second turn.  Since Orange and I already did scenes for others, I was wondering if anyone would like to pick up Alffy's turn.

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Alffy's character, Eddy, is dead.  Doesn't that mean that he's out?
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It means the character is gone, but that doesn't mean the author/player doesn't have a second turn.
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I'll take his turn then!

What am I writing about?  His (my) former tribe?
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Ok. I'll send you an email.  Cheers.
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Apologies to all for my rant last night...and my "bullshit" word but I still stand as someone who expects each member to do their best. Call me a perfectionist. I expect a lot from myself as well...but I don't hold that position if what I think is not correct.

I have been challeged plenty in my life and time and have most undoubtedly learned from my mistakes and those of others. If this is indeed an exercise in learning...then let's learn.  

I'm not blaming anyone - a number of times I included myself in my comments. I know there will need to be rewrites...that goes without saying, but a part of collaborative work is truly working with the information, characters, location, situation and rules we are left with by the rest of our team.

I'm not going to keep whipping this dead horse...but I find it hard not to want for us to stay on track.  I didn't have any problem with what Javier posted...and I'm not blaming Sandra either. (Sandra knows how much I enjoy what she writes)   I do like Javier's post...just feel that we need to keep on task rather than turning this into a rewriter's nightmare.

What bothers me most is when we look to excuses, when, if we did a little homework with the tools provided, we could minimize some of the discrepancies for each other.   I know at this stage of the game there is a mighty big pile of details...but think for one second...if you were getting paid for your efforts, would you let these things slide by...

Additionally I am not expecting this script to be realistic...because simply, it isn't.

Sandra is right though...I care...and for that I am not sorry.


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I'll take his turn then!

What am I writing about?  His (my) former tribe?


Hey wait a minute! I thought you were glad you were dead!  





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... but I still stand as someone who expects each member to do their best. Call me a perfectionist. I expect a lot from myself as well...but I don't hold that position if what I think is not correct.



This is the same feeling I have too. Being a perfectionist and trying to do the best possible job is important to me.

I can't however judge someone else's best. I can only judge myself. Am I bringing myself wholly and completely to the work? Am I in it for the long haul? The marathon run?

If we can ask ourselves this question and answer yes, then I think that's the best we can ask of anyone working here.

Just try. Try your best. That's all I ask. Sometimes that best is going to be better at times, but just try.

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Quoted from Sandra Elstree.


This is the same feeling I have too. Being a perfectionist and trying to do the best possible job is important to me.

I can't however judge someone else's best. I can only judge myself. Am I bringing myself wholly and completely to the work? Am I in it for the long haul? The marathon run?

If we can ask ourselves this question and answer yes, then I think that's the best we can ask of anyone working here.

Just try. Try your best. That's all I ask. Sometimes that best is going to be better at times, but just try.

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LOL, that sounded awfully much like a "mother's speech" didn't it. Oh God!

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Good work GM. Really like how you took care of the Wolf situation. Farewell Heidi and Farewell innocence.

Stebrown is up next.  I won't be able to update the tracksheet until I'm home from work.
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GM...your post was Excellent!!!  VERY VERY good...
Now this is a story we can work with!

SHIVA the God of Destruction and SHIVA the God of Goodness...which one will win???  

Wonderful job of bringing in all the serpent characters!!  

BRAVO!


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Giles,

I just want to say that I truly enjoyed your writing in this scene. To me it was more than just a save, it was a fierce scene with the elements lifting themselves up-- literally! The water rushing up! I loved it!

Your depiction also of showing one individual, Shaivas, having more than one aspect and being different reflects the idea of Shiva having all his/her different aspects, one, being Rudra.

Also, we don't know where Piscivorus is and this is fascinating.

Really good job!

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That's using your thinking cap Giles.

After me putting a spanner in the works, I'm glad this hadn't hindered you.


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That's using your thinking cap Giles.

After me putting a spanner in the works, I'm glad this hadn't hindered you.


Don't be silly Jayrex, it is supposed to be a challenge!
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GM...your post was Excellent!!!  VERY VERY good...
Now this is a story we can work with!

SHIVA the God of Destruction and SHIVA the God of Goodness...which one will win???  

Wonderful job of bringing in all the serpent characters!!  

BRAVO!


Thanks MBCgirl, This is so not my thing so was hard to write anything. Cheers.
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I really enjoyed it. I just wish Innocence hadn't gone out this unceremoniously. I don't feel like she got her "bookend" at all.
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I really enjoyed it. I just wish Innocence hadn't gone out this unceremoniously. I don't feel like she got her "bookend" at all.


I was hoping that Innocence fought more to try and "save" Cordelia and that Cordelia didn't want "saving". She wasn't the little girl everyone had seen or even the one she played. I felt that this was a woman who was enjoying being a child again.

These discussions serve a great purpose because we are all trying to "mind meld" and it's not easy. It's really hard.

I had a hard time with Colin's death because he was the voice over in the beginning of the story. That's why I went into the dream sequence with Piscivorus asking why.

I took a lead I had from George when he said once, (and this is just a paraphrase) lay it out in the open and it's over with. Don't try and hide it or dismiss the fact.

This held a lot of meaning for me. It made/makes sense to me.

So with this in mind, I built the dream scene with Piscivours asking "why". And Wolf going "Oh, no! Not this again" sort of thing.

It's absolutely true that this can be labeled as backstory. But dreams aren't linear. They can be backwards, forwards and completely disjointed... That makes it safe from that standpoint, but I'm not trying to play it safe or I would have written a "safer" dream scene.

We are "somewhere" in the script now. Even if we've got troubles with time and location and pacing, the last scene proves how quickly things can become extremely solid.

Pacing is a delicate issue. There's an art to that in and of itself.

I think we need to design character "checkpoints" -- a story board
idea-- to help so that we truly do give the characters their appropriate
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You are both right, I never thought about it like that until now. I probably should apologise, It was hard enough to try and come up with something that attempted to fit the style that the story has developed. It is so not my cup of tea, though I guess that is a good thing and one of the aims of this exercise. But I will admit I could have thought more about the characters.

To be fair though I did have to kill two people from the four I had left, Cordelia seemed too important to kill off and Piscavorus is just getting interesting so my hands were fairly tied there, but in hindsight maybe Innocence deserved a more noble death.
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Sandra will write the dream based on your scene.  Whether you want to send the scene over or just a synopsis is up to you.
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GM...I still think you did a wonderful job of bringing us back into the story and developing it.  I agree with both Sandra and Reaper with regard to Innocence...especially when it came to Cordelia.  She was very protective throughout of Cordelia and I think she wouldn't have given up without a fight...but it's a little hard to overcome strong wind and character's with the kind of power that was displayed in GM's scene.

Something that didn't mesh for me was how Cordelia had not wanted to have Piscivours get in the vehicle with them...she was strongly against that...and yet now she herself is a part of the snake culture/Rudra...but I did like the aspect of her taking her rightful seat...the story plot is definitely thickening and coming to a head

It is true that it is hard to grasp all the aspects of this exercise and bring all of it into play.  

As Sandra mentioned...dreams are not linear and she has provided a lot of food for thought that can be written about.  I'm holding my breath as I wish that Sam could make it to the end -  because my brain has been working overtime on the ending  and I have an exciting end that would shock and delight many (am I allowed to say that?? lol ) and a strong dream scene is enormously needed from our girl Sandra.   

However...as Cornetto has mentioned numerous times...only he knows the true aspect of SHIVA.

I am excited to see where this goes in the next posts....ultimately taking us to the home stretch.


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But...does Cornetto know the true meaning of Rudra?  Of Shiavaes (sp)?  Of the occultists?  Does anyone know what the affects of the Horse Shoe falls flowing backward will do to the surrounding areas?

maybe Jack didn't actually die when the giant snake swallowed him...maybe he was spit out moments later?  Maybe he's going to resurface in the finale, with his skin all stomach-acid eaten?

Mwooohaha!!!!!!
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GM...I still think you did a wonderful job of bringing us back into the story and developing it.  I agree with both Sandra and Reaper with regard to Innocence...especially when it came to Cordelia.  She was very protective throughout of Cordelia and I think she wouldn't have given up without a fight...but it's a little hard to overcome strong wind and character's with the kind of power that was displayed in GM's scene.

Something that didn't mesh for me was how Cordelia had not wanted to have Piscivours get in the vehicle with them...she was strongly against that...and yet now she herself is a part of the snake culture/Rudra...but I did like the aspect of her taking her rightful seat...the story plot is definitely thickening and coming to a head

It is true that it is hard to grasp all the aspects of this exercise and bring all of it into play.  

As Sandra mentioned...dreams are not linear and she has provided a lot of food for thought that can be written about.  I'm holding my breath as I wish that Sam could make it to the end -  because my brain has been working overtime on the ending  and I have an exciting end that would shock and delight many (am I allowed to say that?? lol ) and a strong dream scene is enormously needed from our girl Sandra.   

However...as Cornetto has mentioned numerous times...only he knows the true aspect of SHIVA.

I am excited to see where this goes in the next posts....ultimately taking us to the home stretch.


I really would like to see more of these characters. If not here, then in another  script that might be before the virus hits.

They've got lives and dreams in their hearts. How can a virus stop that really? I don't think it can. Unless the characters die in complete hopelessness. I'm thinking about Jack Stone: The Positive Thinking character enjoying himself, and James, not going out without a fight.

Neither of these characters just died without it being on their terms. They took things into their own hands somehow. That says a lot about them.

This isn't a passive story at all. It's about "the fight". It's about challenge and hope in the face of destruction. It's one heck of a story. It will be a shame to see it end-- but then again with each end comes a new beginning.

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But...does Cornetto know the true meaning of Rudra?  Of Shiavaes (sp)?  Of the occultists?  Does anyone know what the affects of the Horse Shoe falls flowing backward will do to the surrounding areas?

maybe Jack didn't actually die when the giant snake swallowed him...maybe he was spit out moments later?  Maybe he's going to resurface in the finale, with his skin all stomach-acid eaten?

Mwooohaha!!!!!!


Maybe that was a strange initiation. Being spit back out. Sounds like Jonah and The Whale.

I would definitely go for it with this idea!!!!

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My ending has the twist of twists   Oh well...we have to see where this goes

What I hate is that it gets down to two pwoplw and one has to kill the other...then there is only one...well except for Dreamscales' Jack Stone who is slithering by with his skin all acid eaten...lovely lalalalalala


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I've sent Sandra a pm with my scene. Must get some sleep now as it's getting on. I've said for her just to post my scene if she has her dream ready.

Hopefully, it's kept the feel of the script so far. If not, sorry.


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I've sent Sandra a pm with my scene. Must get some sleep now as it's getting on. I've said for her just to post my scene if she has her dream ready.

Hopefully, it's kept the feel of the script so far. If not, sorry.


Ok Ste, I'm going to take a look at it shortly and then I think I'll sleep on it. LOL

I'm excited to see it and I'm looking forward to all the twists and creativity that's brewing here!!!!

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I've begun a dialogue with Ste using track changes in Word.

There's an interesting idea here. We need to consider character more  I think though.

We'll work on it tomorrow, but Ste has already gone to bed. I'm not sure his time zone.

I was cooking supper during the time his last message came in and now, I AM going to watch The Strangers tonight.

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Enjoy, Sandra!  It's alot different than what you read. It's better than what you read...but...it's still exactly what it is, and that's not much, although it's light years beter than most theatrically released horror.
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Enjoy, Sandra!  It's alot different than what you read. It's better than what you read...but...it's still exactly what it is, and that's not much, although it's light years beter than most theatrically released horror.


You're doing what I've done so many times!!!! You're in The Strangers thread by accident!!! NO I'M IN THE STRANGER'S THREAD!!!!

I've done that so many times!!!! All the tabs and files I've got going it's ridiculous-- combine that with the physical world and wow!!!



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You're on the SHIVA thread...commenting on the Strangers thread   That's cool! I think we've all done that a few times!


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You're on the SHIVA thread...commenting on the Strangers thread   That's cool! I think we've all done that a few times!


I know that Silly-Willy!!!! But I'm commenting on The Strangers thread!!!!

Gotcha!!!!  

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Maybe it's just "strangers" posting on this thread?




I love that one Jeff!!!






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I know that Silly-Willy!!!! But I'm commenting on The Strangers thread!!!!

Gotcha!!!!  

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I've just gotta do it.

I'm posting "on the Strangers thread" but "in the Shiva thread".

If you're in Newfoundland that might be,

"to the Strangers thread" "by the Shiva thread". ... or something like that.

Or on the other hand, it could be:

In the Shiva thread but on The Strangers thread.  




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Ok, Silly Willies comment on Shiva in the Shiva thread and comment on The Strangers in The Strangers thread.  And no more comments about comments on the wrong thread. Ok?

Don't mind me, I'm cranky today.

  
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Ok, Silly Willies comment on Shiva in the Shiva thread and comment on The Strangers in The Strangers thread.  And no more comments about comments on the wrong thread. Ok?

Don't mind me, I'm cranky today.

  


Thanks Michael. Don't worry about being cranky. You deserve that right!!! We all do!!!

I've got this vision of my brothers and me snickering under the table while Dad lays down the law.

Regarding Shiva, and in all seriousness, I'm waiting for correspondence with Ste tomorrow. He's got something that is not to be dismissed and I don't want to just rush things.

As you said in the last "go 'round", things were moving a tad too rapidly. I think everyone just wanted to keep up. They weren't meaning it in a bad way. It's not like they were just: "Oh write and get it over with" sort of thing. I don't think that at all.

What happened with Killer is that people were just being people. Uninhibited. They weren't even reigned in by character so much I think. They were just having a ride... and that's a good thing.

If we look at Killer from this aspect, it will give us a different point of view. We might not be as critical. We might not think: [b]This is wrong!!! Rather: [b] This is right!!!

We have some really solid and talented writers here. If we can pull ourselves together through games like "Shiva" which help us to understand eachother's writing styles, I think we can write something that we would all be proud of-- something that is beyond or underneath our words.   [/quote]



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Thank you so much Ste!!!

This is a gentleman who's prepared to go beyond unusual. Ste's working and isn't afraid to think creatively.

I would have never thought of what he's presented and it puts me on edge just thinking about it.

If we can tie in the ideas to the story-- that's the goal. And to make it as blatant as possible so that the information comes through because so far-- we've been too cryptic.

Michael's mentioned this before and we must get over this.

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I haven't heard from Ste today, but I sent him over my dream.

He said to post for him before if I was ready, but I'd rather he have the chance
to go over his scene one more time and give it one more pass.

He'll probably get back to me by tomorrow.

I'll post as soon as possible. I think we're done here. It's been a hard go, but I think the work is a powerful thing.

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Take your time, Sandra...please!  I will not be able to post until at least Monday, so take all the time you can.

I just watched Eden Lake, and was completely BLOWN AWAY!  Wow, what a movie!  As brutally intense, real, and downright bludgeoning graphic, as anything I can honestly remember.  I'm almost speechless.

I'll be posting a review shortly...
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Take your time, Sandra...please!  I will not be able to post until at least Monday, so take all the time you can.

I just watched Eden Lake, and was completely BLOWN AWAY!  Wow, what a movie!  As brutally intense, real, and downright bludgeoning graphic, as anything I can honestly remember.  I'm almost speechless.

I'll be posting a review shortly...


Ok, I'm trying really hard. It's really a hard go 'round. Just this in on our weather front:

COLD FRONT WILL BRING WINDS GUSTS UP TO 100 KM/H TO SOUTHERN ALBERTA TONIGHT.
AT 10:45 PM A STRONG COLD FRONT EXTENDS FROM RED DEER TO ST PAUL. THIS FRONT HAS BEEN CHARGING SOUTHWARDS TONIGHT AND HAS PRODUCED WINDS GUSTS OF 100 KM/H OVER CENTRAL ALBERTA EARLIER THIS EVENING. THIS FRONT WILL PUSH INTO SOUTHERN ALBERTA AND REACH CALGARY BY MIDNIGHT. THIS COLD FRONT WILL BRING GUSTY WINDS OF 90 TO 100 KM/H TO EXTREME SOUTHERN ALBERTA OVERNIGHT BEFORE THE FRONT MOVES OUT OF THE PROVINCE EARLY SATURDAY MORNING.

If my power gets knocked out here, I'll be offline until they get it back up.

Really weird weather.

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Ok, I have my scene ready to post. Just waiting for Sandra to give a final check through the dream.

Will be posted today for sure.


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Hello Ste,

I've sent you two emails, but you haven't responded.

Did you check your emails? I can resend to a different account if you don't have them.

**It's ok, I see the PM here now.


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Sorry Sandra

I sent you a pm on here.

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Is that it you two?  Is there more? Because I don't see a kill in this turn?
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Is that it you two?  Is there more? Because I don't see a kill in this turn?


I thought with my scene being a wrap up, I didn't have a kill. Just checked the original rules...uhoh...I'll edit my scene. Should have it sorted shortly.

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Is this like the 3rd post in a row that has not followed the kill instruction?  What's going on peeps?

Ste, please take your time.  I'm off to watch the big George St. Pieree/B.J. Penn fight tonight and hosting a Super Bowl party tomorrow.  So there won't be any time for writing, and before I even think about writing, I'm goiing to have to figure out exactly what the Hell's going on.
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Is this like the 3rd post in a row that has not followed the kill instruction?  What's going on peeps?.


Apart from the last post you mean? So this is really the first post in a row, not a biggie, like Ste said he can at last go back and do something about it.

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Maybe they all weren't in a row, but pretty close together, I thought.

Ste, what bridge are they crossing?  Ned to know for my post.  Thanks.
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Sorry about this but I'm struggling to now fit a kill into the scene. I will succeed though, I will succeed.

Jeff, the bridge is Rainbow Bridge. I'll try to edit my scene by tomorrow but let me know if it's badly effecting your thoughts and I'll hurry it up.


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That's why I was asking which bridge it was...so basically, Conrnetto is saying that they cannot be on the Rainbow Bridge yet...right?
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That's why I was asking which bridge it was...so basically, Conrnetto is saying that they cannot be on the Rainbow Bridge yet...right?


Yes, they're on a mystery bridge, but not the Rainbow Bridge.

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Ste alrady said it was teh Rainbow Bridge.  Now I'm even more confused.

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It's been derby day today, so I'm pretty drunk. Don't really want to rush a kill for the scene so if it's okay with everyone I'll just sort it out tomorrow.

Jeff, send me a pm if you want to know who will be no more.


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Ste alrady said it was teh Rainbow Bridge.  Now I'm even more confused.

Happy Super Bowl Sunday everyone!!!!  AAAYYYEEEEEE!!!!!!


Yes, Steve said it was the Rainbow Bridge, but I thought Michael just said he wanted to save it for the end- the grand finale.

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I did want to save the Rainbow Bridge for the finale, but if you guys have another idea then I'm willing to listen.
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I did want to save the Rainbow Bridge for the finale, but if you guys have another idea then I'm willing to listen.


How about in the Rainbow Bell tower?

The Flower Clock?

I think it's smart to end on The Rainbow Bridge, but there could be preliminary action elsewhere.

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There can be action anywhere but the Rainbow Bridge.  It's been set up for the finale since the first scene.

Hey Ste, how's things going?  Sorry there was a bit of a mix-up.   It's a bit tougher at the end of things, isn't it?    
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OK, I've changed it so there is now a kill. Sorry about it but it is really hard to change the scene as it is.


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No worries Ste.  Cheers for taking care of things.

EDIT:  George is going to be devastated.  Though I could tell you reluctantly decided to go for the kill because of the shocking manner you used to do Wolf in.  Good job!

Dreamscale is up, I'll edit the tracksheet after I finish work for the day.
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OK guys, I'm on it.  Still a little coudy from the big game yesterday, though.

I'll do my best to get something up by Wednesday afternoon...earlier if possible.

Good job Ste!  You ending actually helps me, as I have some ideas.  I'm going to to PM you with a few questions though, so I understand exactly where we are at ths point.
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I hated to see Wolf go...I liked the big burly outdoors man...can I keep Timber????   

It's a little excruciating right now....I feel like I'm sitting on my hands waiting for the hammer to drop


Good job Ste!  Damm those head devouring snakes!


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No worries Jeff, I'm off to bed now, but will reply in the morning.

Sorry George, but somebody had to go.


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Sorry MBC, but I think Timber has to go, as he lives and dies with Wolf.
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I'd be willing to let Timber hang around.  Timber in no longer a player character but I don't see why he can't figure into the ending.
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But if Timber is a non-player character now, that also means we can kill him when anybody feels like it, doesn't it?
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Don't get too attached to old Timber...his days are numbered...and that number is less than 1.
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I was extremely impressed with Ste's post before the kill. Not the kill though.

The Wolf character to me seems entirely pointless (now) and I don't know why he was brought in at all.

He's just a waste of space that could be used for other characters or story development.

I think my dreams should be erased regarding Wolf and Piscivorus because they serve no point at this time and they too just take up space.

It's disheartening when characters are brought in late in the game, you're asking yourself "why", work hard at giving them sincere purpose in the game, reading and studying their info, reading and studying relationships in the script etc... and they weren't of any consequence.

What did Wolf do in this game? Nothing. He was supposed to be leading them somewhere...

No. Sorry Ste, I really am, but I think you made the wrong choice. I really am sorry.

BUT, everything before the kill, (your first work) was excellent!!!

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I am going to have to disagree with you, Sandra.  Of the 3 remaining characters, Wolf was the one who was the least important, brought the least to the table, and needed to go.

I like how only the 2 girls remain now.  Wait till you see what they're going to do after the torture porn scene with gratutitous graphic violence and nudity.  I think you'll apreciate Leona more once she sprouts her wings and turns into an Angel...of Death!  And Sam's arms will turn into machine guns.  Finally, Timber morphs into a giant Polar bear, capable of breathing fire.

Oh...so many possibilities!!!! I can't wait!
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I am going to have to disagree with you, Sandra.  Of the 3 remaining characters, Wolf was the one who was the least important, brought the least to the table, and needed to go.



And this is why he shouldn't have been brought in at all-- and Timber too. It makes no sense.

If he was brought in at all, he shouldn't have all the shmancy character info. Just say he's a wandering mountain man. Sub-character-- that's it.






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I see what you mean, but I don't think his character was nearly as well developed as Leona or Sam...do you?  Which of the 3 characters did you think should have been killed?  Be honest...
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I see what you mean, but I don't think his character was nearly as well developed as Leona or Sam...do you?  Which of the 3 characters did you think should have been killed?  Be honest...


I see your point. Completely. I don't want to see any of them go at this point.

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But if you had to choose 1 of them, it sounds like it wouldn't be Wolf.  So which one should have gone?
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But if you had to choose 1 of them, it sounds like it wouldn't be Wolf.  So which one should have gone?


No, I think you're right. Wolf had to go because he was brought in late and because of that, he wasn't an important character. I he was, that should have been in the beginning of the show.

If I had to choose though? And it couldn't be Wolf? Let me go back and read and I'll come back with an answer.

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Ok, I've went back and read several parts again with Samantha and with Leona.

If it weren't Wolf to go, I'd have to base my choice on character alone.

Leona, although entering earlier in the script, seems to be a far more passive character. We've seen her in the library for instance.

Samantha however, has made changes in her character. Early on I was complaining about how she was written up as crossing her arms in the back seat of the car and being portrayed in that kind of female stereotype, which is ok, but it's nice to see a little more than this sometimes.

I'd say she's more important than Leona then based upon her character development, the changes she's made, the damage she's done and her psychic abilities.

Between these two ladies, I'd have to pick Leona as the next victim.




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Agreed.

I'm going to kill off every character in my next post.  If jack can't live, no one can!!!

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I think killing Wolf was an excellent move. Maybe he *was* leading them somewhere. The fact that he is dead now only adds to the danger of their situation. They're without anybody to guide them while the other "faction" has two reptile-powered beings. What's gonna happen next?!?!

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hey guys,

I have to admit that I have not followed this "game", but I am curious. How do you guys feel about this collaboration? Has it been helpful/beneficial to your own writing? Do you think you will rewrite it into a final feature? Just curious.  

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I really feel that Wolf had substance...howbeit short lived.  Wolf being the mountain man he was...was the perfect person to guide them to the falls...  You know...with such short instances to develop the characters, it's even mpore important to make the most in each scene we write.

I guess that is why I sometimes feel a disconnect from scene to scene...it's as if we are working independently of the scene and from each other sometimes...and don't embrace the entire opportunity to wrap things up...move things along and add creative aspects, leaving it open for more development for the one who follows.

I think over all...we have written a good first draft...with so much room to improve it.

I like our characters...and want to know more...see more...you know?

Don't be discouraged Sandra...with each turn someone has to be killed and right now I'm not done...I feel Sam has some things to do yet. I see the end clearly to this story...but I don't know what Cornetto has in his brain for the outcome...but man...is there a story to tell!   I don't even know when my next turn is...but I'm ready to go!

Jeff...think Kate Beckinsale...after all you gave me my red Barchetta!    The coolest car I've ever had...in real life or on the written page!   lol  

  



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I think it's been fun and I guess it has helped in some ways.  You've pretty much got to deal with whatever the other posters wrote when you're up, and it's not always easy...as we've had some wild turns of events that are difficult to stay with.

I personally don't see this being rewritten into a final script, but I bet others feel differently about that.

We'll see...
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hey guys,

I have to admit that I have not followed this "game", but I am curious. How do you guys feel about this collaboration? Has it been helpful/beneficial to your own writing? Do you think you will rewrite it into a final feature? Just curious.  

Thank you


I think this game has been good for me...I will speak for myself on this.  I do believe we have only scratched the surface on the story and the characters, as I mentioned earlier and I would like to see this developed more fully.  Infact...the last one standing is supposed to write the ending...but in my mind...I think we should amp it up and have a contest to see who can write the best ending from all of the writers in this post.  I have, what I think, is a great ending...but someone may write it better!  

I felt that at times there was a bit of a disconnect between scenes...even the ones that were related and I'd like to see those shored up.  Overall...I have enjoyed this story and exercise.  Cornetto has done an excellent job of keeping us moving forward and on track...  Thinking about it now objectively...he could have had even tighter reigns at times to keep the story more solid|connected in the end   I know a few won't agree on that level.  If you're writing Seinfeld episodes, disconnects are great but for something like this I think fluidity with back stories is a better fit.

That's my 10 cents for now


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It's a battle deciding if I want to exert some kind of control of the story or if I want to leave it up to you all.

In some ways it would be better to work from some sort of outline, but that isn't the sort of first draft conditions I'm trying to emulate with these games.  

These are strictly, sit down and write a story and work it out as you go - get the first draft together and then edit it into a cohesive script.  

I think we have plenty of material if we wanted to edit Shiva, but I think that it won't be an easy job.  There will be lots of decisions to make and lots of material to add and remove.    
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I feel I learn a lot by doing anything. Not by reading about it, but by doing it.

This collaboration, no matter what faults we find is that kind of opportunity.

You don't learn to write by reading books about writing, you learn by doing it. Like cooking, like driving, like piano... etc...

This game has taught me not to waste time on a character/s that come in half-way into a script, (no matter how appealing they seem to me, or how relevant, I may make them out in my own mind).

It's taught me that clearly defined good guy versus bad guy is a good thing to include in the set-up no matter how simple it sounds.

It's taught me that when you're dealing with a "God" or an "Alien" or anything huge, you need to analyze and write its qualities and sometimes bring the being down to earth in some way that we can relate.

From my perspective, it's been a challenge because Shiva is mostly a secret. We see the apparent affects of Shiva, but not Shiva. What wouldn't be understood by the audience (unless they're Hindu) are all of the aspects of Shiva including Rudra-- the healing aspect.

Writing and studying the script in a variety of lights and from different perspectives I think is extremely beneficial.

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I think my main disappointment with Wolf is that I didn't know I'd never have a scene to write with him, so I'd never have a chance to really use him for myself. His character went directions I never thought he would, and his end threw me for a loop. I actually had a relatively decently developed backstory about who he was before he became a mountain man for when I had a turn with him, and then I learned that my two turns were it for me, and I was kind of like, "oh."

I'm not devastated. I'll just have to save the character part of Wolf for another time, since his true character never came out. I don't even think it came up at any time that he didn't dream because he was on medication for night terrors, and so he actually had no idea who these people were seeing in their dreams. I think that's the secondary disappointment. I tried to come up with something truly unique in this world we have: a non-rabid animal and a man who doesn't dream. Yet, he is drawn to the same place. Why? If the dreams weren't drawing them, then what was? Wolf showed that there was something greater at work than just dreams. But no one really used any of Wolf's character traits. He was mostly a cardboard cutout that made you wonder whether he was hero or villain and in the end, he remains an unknown.

I think it was a really good idea to bring in new characters late in the game because it gave us the challenge of trying to maintain the momentum of the climaxing story yet trying to take a few moments to develop some new characters within that framework. Did we succeed? I don't know what Piscivorus' intent was, but I hope he seems to have had more use and development at least. I think Wolf was a complete failure, though. He was kind of a point of interest, but nothing more.

RIP Wolf. No one really knew you, but if ever I can find another story for you, you will come back. Perhaps we can fill you out more completely in the rewrite.

If I had any comment about his death, it should have been defending Timber as opposed to...um....whatever the hell happened to him.


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Also, as you said, his death was strange, and I think it would have been better if he died doing something, as opposed to just having snakes start popping out of his eyeballs.


Yeah, sorry about the sudden death. The problem was, I didn't realise I needed a kill in my scene, so there was no build up for that at all. I went back to add in a kill but without rewriting the entire scene, the death was going to be a bit out of the blue.

The Primitives have a link to the spiritual side of Shiva. The Leader was controlling this side in order to stop Wolf protecting the two that they wanted....but, yeah, a pretty bizzare death.


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George I hear you with regard to developing your character.  I think when we have this many characters it is hard to bring them to life and do them any justice to some degree.  

Even when you are able to write a scene and develop your character like I did with Sam in my last post...I took most of her weakness away...and she surged with a new found inner strength after spending her time in the church and reading the Book of Mysteries...and then in the following scenes she goes back to being a simpering female that is unable to walk or hike and ends up being carried.   

But as I have said...that is my biggest complaint about this exercise...the disconnects we see from scene to scene.   A part of the exercise...let's say for me is to see how I can develop the character(s) and tie them in to the story I was left with or build from the point I entered the scene.

I left Sam totally equipped...she was toting a Baretta Double Barrel Shotgun and two Rugers with 17 rounds a piece are riding on her hip in a holster and if she goes out without a bang...it would be a huge disappointment for me as well.   

And I suppose...there in lies the beauty of this work...it's a bit like a patch work quilt that is beautiful in it's own way.  


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Don't get me wrong here. I'm not complaining that Wolf died. Not at all. That's part of this game, so that's not an issue. Nor am I concerned about Timber and his fate.  I'm also not complaining about how he died. That's fine, Ste. I also don't want to come off as whining because my character got killed off. I'm not as petty as all that.

What grabs me are all the opportunities that we had with him to further explore the story that were neglected in the interest of letting him be the equivalent of the token black guy in a horror flick. No one knew him, nor was anyone interested because he was never developed. This made him an easy kill because no one would miss him and he contributed nothing (or very little) to the story. That's unfortunate.

You're right, Jeff. No one knew him. We need to consider why that is. Was it my background info of him? Did I need more out there? When we write, we tend to focus on plot and neglect character, when character should be what moves the plot. I kept hoping something more would come out about him, and I was continually surprised as to what was done.

So he remains a mystery. A guy who no one was interested in exploring. A guy who didn't dream in a world where dreams were integral to the system. A pet timberwolf in a world where the animals had gone mad. Anyone wonder how those two factors might have tied together? Were the animals really crazy or did they feel the presence in the humans' dreams? Or was Timber just special? We won't really know now.

Oh well. It does make me a bit sad, but not for his death...

EDIT: I just read MBC's post, and it is a patchwork quilt at this point. Hopefully, the rewrite will serve to turn the seemingly random patches into a cohesive work of art. I guess we all have a certain affinity for our own characters, and hope the best for them much like a parent for their children, and it makes us sad when they are under utilized or even stereotyped, such as Sam seemed to be.


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I think my main disappointment with Wolf is that I didn't know I'd never have a scene to write with him, so I'd never have a chance to really use him for myself. His character went directions I never thought he would, and his end threw me for a loop. I actually had a relatively decently developed backstory about who he was before he became a mountain man for when I had a turn with him, and then I learned that my two turns were it for me, and I was kind of like, "oh."

I'm not devastated. I'll just have to save the character part of Wolf for another time, since his true character never came out. I don't even think it came up at any time that he didn't dream because he was on medication for night terrors, and so he actually had no idea who these people were seeing in their dreams. I think that's the secondary disappointment. I tried to come up with something truly unique in this world we have: a non-rabid animal and a man who doesn't dream. Yet, he is drawn to the same place. Why? If the dreams weren't drawing them, then what was? Wolf showed that there was something greater at work than just dreams. But no one really used any of Wolf's character traits. He was mostly a cardboard cutout that made you wonder whether he was hero or villain and in the end, he remains an unknown.

I think it was a really good idea to bring in new characters late in the game because it gave us the challenge of trying to maintain the momentum of the climaxing story yet trying to take a few moments to develop some new characters within that framework. Did we succeed? I don't know what Piscivorus' intent was, but I hope he seems to have had more use and development at least. I think Wolf was a complete failure, though. He was kind of a point of interest, but nothing more.

RIP Wolf. No one really knew you, but if ever I can find another story for you, you will come back. Perhaps we can fill you out more completely in the rewrite.

If I had any comment about his death, it should have been defending Timber as opposed to...um....whatever the hell happened to him.


If it makes you feel any better at all, I feel the same as you. I spent so much time working with Wolf and Piscivorus trying to find a reason for their appearance and their relevance only to find it was all for nothing.

In my mind, both Wolf and Piscivorus are now dead because without the fight they've always had for aeons of aeons, they die. Not just in this life, but eternally.

I don't know where that leaves the other characters. I suppose in a very very deep and empty void. No opposites. No life.

Very sad.

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Don't worry Sandra...I had some thoughts of Pisci and Wolf in my mind from their always warring against each other from your last dream. I had already planned to bring those aspects into my next post...

I feel Sam had a connection between Wolf and especially Timber...and it plays into how I "think" the story is going...but who knows...maybe I'm a goof...okay...I am a goof! (How I hate to admit that )

I understand how you and Georgio feel though...and that is what I have been trying to say...in this context of a writing exercise...I think with this many writers, that it seems especially hard to develop things or should I more correctly say, continue to develop characters and circumstances in a "connected" fashion...at least that seems to be the case.  

The other aspect is that we were aligned with another writer so that they would be a sounding board...I have to say Dreamscale (as tuff as he can be) is a great partner for that - as he makes me think about multiple angles...and that makes me think about how it will affect the other characters.


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Don't worry Sandra...I had some thoughts of Pisci and Wolf in my mind from their always warring against each other from your last dream. I had already planned to bring those aspects into my next post...

I feel Sam had a connection between Wolf and especially Timber...and it plays into how I "think" the story is going...but who knows...maybe I'm a goof...okay...I am a goof! (How I hate to admit that )

I understand how you and Georgio feel though...and that is what I have been trying to say...in this context of a writing exercise...I think with this many writers, that it seems especially hard to develop things or should I more correctly say, continue to develop characters and circumstances in a "connected" fashion...at least that seems to be the case.  

The other aspect is that we were aligned with another writer so that they would be a sounding board...I have to say Dreamscale (as tuff as he can be) is a great partner for that - as he makes me think about multiple angles...and that makes me think about how it will affect the other characters.


It really is hard because we do have to look at so many different angles and upside down and sideways. The upside is that we've got a team of people here; so we've got an enormous amount of mind-power. That's a benefit and we know of its negative side already, but everything has a negative side.

Our job is to work through it and filter through the material. Funnel it, sift it, sort it and do whatever we can to achieve the package that is "Shiva". Do we know what that is yet? Not yet. I think that comes after a lot more hard work.

In "The Strangers" thread we talked a lot about character or the lack of it and we also talked about atmosphere and mood.

Have you ever (of course you have) walked into a room and you proclaimed, "It was so thick you could cut it with a knife?" You know the tension I'm talking about here. When people have been fighting about something.

Well, in "The Strangers" when the couple enters the beginning scene, it's all about that. The context of the scene. In this case, the dialogue means nothing and it's all (that) thick tension.

Weaving this kind of meaningful tension into each and every scene (with a few breathers and juxtapositions) is very skillful indeed.

This kind of goal is big and tricky I know.

I agree that Jeff is very astute and its his kind of work with various considerations and analyses that are critical to working through murky territories in story development.

I give Jeff high commendations for his contributions on these boards.

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Well, thank you so much for those kind words, Sandra!  I really appreciate them.  I do what I can, and the best I can.  I'm a perfectionist at heart, and I know it shows sometimes in my comments.  I can obviously be a bit on the negative side sometimes, but I do that in a way that is intended to help...hope it comes off that way...at least most of the time.

I've gone back to the very begining of our script here, and copy/pasted every single scene with Leona and Sam in them, and am reading the entire script to see what I can figure out about both characters.

I'm shocked because there are over 80 WORD pages that involve the 2 of them (not together, but involve either one, in any way).  There is so much that was started and then completely forgotten, or dismissed, and I just don't understand why.  I think for the most part that certain people just decided to go their own direction, and not continue certain character elements that were not only introduced, but came up again and again, and should have been very important.

I'm going to try and pull off a very big scene here and it will bring up some of these lost elements that should have been in play throughout the entire script.  We'll see how it goes.

The point I'm trying to make is that writing in a collabratively based scenario, requires that you know what took place earlier in the script.  You need to know the charcters personalities and abilities when you include them in a scene.  You need to know where characters are, so you can keep the integrity of the script intact.

Again, this isn't easy, and it's very time consuming.  But it's also very important, and I'm doing everything I can to pull this off successfully.  Hope you guys like it...I know everyone won't, but understand that I'm doing my very best here and it really does matter to me.

I can't rush this, cause there's so much info that I still am taking in.  I still think I'll be able to post by tomorrow evening.
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I just went through the whole thing and copied it to into Final Draft (where auto formatting is awesome) to see what we were up to.

First of all, Are we missing a dream or something off the game thread? There seems like there should be something between posts 17 and 18 -- Mr. Ripley's scene(s). The boat goes off at the end of one post and then Leona jerks awake at the top of the next. Thought that was weird.

Anyway, we are up to 209 pages! And we're not done! This isn't a movie. It's a mini series.


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209 pages????  Damn, that's amazing..shocking, actually.  And even more amazing, is that, in theory, we're only 6 hours or so of real time from the very first word on the page.

Amazing...
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209 pages????  Damn, that's amazing..shocking, actually.  And even more amazing, is that, in theory, we're only 6 hours or so of real time from the very first word on the page.

Amazing...


Dang, I never even thought about that. I'll bet you're right, though. That does move quick, doesn't it?


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Yeah, you'd think it would move quick, but at 209 pags, I guess it actually hasn't!

Kind of funny, huh?
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I don't find it that shocking, to be honest. I mean, the majority of the dreams in an actual screenplay could be greatly shortened or removed altogether with the exception of the ones that serve as backstory, leading to a 130-150 page script, more likely.

Then, of course, we also need some more fluidity between scenes. Also, look at all the characters with V.O who died early on. their V.O could be shortened and/or removed as well.


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I don't find it that shocking, to be honest. I mean, the majority of the dreams in an actual screenplay could be greatly shortened or removed altogether with the exception of the ones that serve as backstory, leading to a 130-150 page script, more likely.

Then, of course, we also need some more fluidity between scenes. Also, look at all the characters with V.O who died early on. their V.O could be shortened and/or removed as well.


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That's correct. The depth of characters and development of backstory within this lives more like a mini series.

To make it a movie, a lot would need to be cut and re-ordered. The survivor would need more time at the beginning of the script and lesser characters given less screen time.

I like Michael's beginning and his Voice Over. Colin's death would need to be changed IMHO.

The three parties involved in this interesting game of life on the edge: The Primitives, The Followers and The Blasphemers-- they, I think would need to make their debut early on as well.

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...or their demise a bit earlier...

BwwwwwoooooHaHaHa!!!!!!!
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209 pages????  Damn, that's amazing..shocking, actually.  And even more amazing, is that, in theory, we're only 6 hours or so of real time from the very first word on the page.

Amazing...


How do you figure the six hours of real time Jeff?


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Don't rush on this Jeff. I know trying to get oneself around all this is a lot of hard work.

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