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MBCgirl
Posted: February 8th, 2009, 12:03pm Report to Moderator
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If we end up with a tie...then maybe both Leona and Sam should write an ending and then we can vote on the best ending...just a thought   


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I love words and the fact that when the page is blank...there's nothing there until words are formulated in my brain. Those thoughts...rushing through my viens and out my finger tips, find "life" on the page.  

When people and places come to life...that to me is exciting.


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Quoted from MBCgirl
If we end up with a tie...then maybe both Leona and Sam should write an ending and then we can vote on the best ending...just a thought   


I hope that everyone who cared to vote did or will; so we get a good turnout.

For me, the choice in the voting came down to one thing and it's kind of a shame because it's the "one" thing that always seems to do it when swaying a vote. But a person has to vote and so they do.

Certainly, there could be many endings. Many "good" endings. As Michael mentioned, there are many stories to be had inside of this.

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mcornetto
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Voting is closed.  The writer of the finale has been notified.  They have until Friday.  Cheers all!
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Dreamscale
Posted: February 9th, 2009, 11:54am Report to Moderator
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Huh?  That's it? That's all the info we get?

WEAK!!!!!!

WEAK!!!!!!!

Can you at least tell us how well Christopher Reed and Timber did in the voting?
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Posted: February 9th, 2009, 12:26pm Report to Moderator
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I don't think he would let us know the full results until the scene comes out.

I just know I voted for Gandalf.


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The finale has been posted!  Enjoy and congratulate the writer - MBCGirl.  And since the vote was very close - with some help from Orange.
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Very, very nicely done!!  You really tied alot together and closed out a bunch of things I was hoping you would.

And for the V.O. by CHristopher Lee?  Excellent!  Simply excellent!

Well done all...very well done.
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Christopher Lee? Is that some kind of joke? lol. Don't get me wrong, He's a great actor, but come on -- 'Narrator' would do just as well.

Honestly, I felt it was kind of rushed. Quite frankly, I didn't particularly like it. I don't see why the ending couldn't have been longer than the other posts. If it's the last scene, it might as well have gone all-out.

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Julio, Did you read the whole thing.  It was three posts.
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Yes, but the story deserved MORE! >: D

I didn't think MBCgirl did bad at all. It was a good post. But seriously, after all this, I think the ending could've and should've been better and longer.

I suppose re-writes are in place, but still.

EDIT: I really enjoyed Wolf and Piscivorus's sword fight, though. But then again, it kinda ignores how Wolf was able to get killed by having snakes pop out of his eyes earlier. If he was one of Shiva's sons, I doubt that could've happened to him, even if it was only a "physical" type of death.

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Eh, I wanted to give a little more feedback in hopes the ending would be a little more dramatic, but unfortunately my schedule has changed over the past few days and It's been difficult to adjust to.

I am a little disappointed I wasn't able to contribute more but MBC and I did have in depth discussions over what we wanted to see in the finale and even though we couldnt put more time into it I think it went fairly well. She did a good job of tying in loose ends and I am SO grateful she put in the character of Faith I was hoping other people would play with, but no one really did.

Either way if anyone has any disagreements with how it turned out there is definitely room for interpretation during the rewriting phase and I'd be interested to see what other people bring out of this exercise.

Good job all!
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Sorry to have disappointed Julio.  I spent over 12 hours of writing into this...

I went back through post after post in preparation.  Realizing that it is hard to please everyone...there were many ways to interpret our collaboration...and so many dead ends that I felt I wanted to stay focused on the Shiva God and the two characters that were left and how they played a hand in bringing the new beginning into play.

The two brother warring through the ages was in an early dream sequence...I didn't see the brothers as just those men Wolf and Piscivorus alive...but if you think about it...Piscivorus had turned "snakeeee" in this world.  WOLF represented the Goodness side of the God...I felt it was appropriate, that as brothers...they would decide the fate of the universe in their "godly fight" if you will.  

It is a solid 11 pages...3 posts...so I'm not sure how long of an end you would like to see...I really did try to reign myself in some as it seemed it was getting long to me  

The dead, bobbing people, swirling in the current were the ones with Pisc. They jumped from the bridge realizing things had gone awry.   The blasphemers I read into further from the dreams.  The description of Shiva came also from a dream sequence as it played into regeneration.

I tried to bring closure to the dead dogs...

Christopher Lee is merely a narrator V.O. but with my inexperience I neglected to title it that way.   There is NO BETTER VOICE in my opinion for that part.   

If you have other comments I am happy to respond to those as well.

At least everyone didn't just wake up from a strange dream, to discover it was all a dream.  There was a lot of teasing on here this past riday night over that...lol

I think it would have been nice for both Orange and I to write different endings...thereby giving the piece a vote.  I did converse with Orange at length and included the part about Faith that she wanted wrapped up in her character.  I had already - at the time I found out who won...had a plan for the ending...so it's not Orange's fault in any way.  

Be well everyone.  I invested a lot of time in this and I'm happy with it overall so I hope some of you will find some redeeming quality about it.

~m~

  


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I love words and the fact that when the page is blank...there's nothing there until words are formulated in my brain. Those thoughts...rushing through my viens and out my finger tips, find "life" on the page.  

When people and places come to life...that to me is exciting.


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I can see that a lot of work went into this final scene. I was afraid it might be some kind of firepower scene and I was very impressed that it wasn't shoot em' up.

The work with Faith is extremely appreciated. I thought this was very important and it wasn't left out.

There are many ways that this ending could have been done and I think you've done a very good job with something extremely hard to do.

If we start looking from a rewrite perspective, I think that having more cast in the final scene would be exciting and do it some good.

I know a secret that Leona has and I'm not going to say anything about it right now; so part of this last scene had me wondering a lot.

One thing I will say is although it's nice to see Leona and Sam as a kind of team, I would have liked to see them on opposite sides. Neither of them good or bad, but just seeing things differently. I think it would provide a lot more of a tense and "make you wonder" ending.

There's just too much that's happened for any of us to be satisfied with any ending that any of us could possibly write right now I think.

I think you deserve to be congratulated on this for a completely solid effort!!!

...and not only that, but every good SHIVA movie should have some nakedness and moonlight.  

A couple of things I wanted to mention:

typo on [miss fit] should be misfit

When Sam says:

SAM
You stay here.  I’m going to walk into town and see if I can find us something to eat.  I’m starved…how about you?

LOL, I don't know if you followed The Strangers thread at all, but I was thinking: Oh no... are they going to be split up and then THEY'RE ALL ALONE!!!! At that point, I was thinking if Sam goes snaky, Leona won't be there to slap her.

This was well done I think especially when you consider how much we're dealing with. All the characters that drifted in and out, a God of duality or even triality, ( made a new word) Aeons of time, Niagara with its waters rushing backwards... It's a lot to get one's head around.

Good job Morgan!!

Sandra



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MBCgirl
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Thanks girlie!   Much appreciated.


http://www.myspace.com/mbcgirl  

I love words and the fact that when the page is blank...there's nothing there until words are formulated in my brain. Those thoughts...rushing through my viens and out my finger tips, find "life" on the page.  

When people and places come to life...that to me is exciting.


MBCgirl =)
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I liked how it ended. I was afraid it might have been going on a little long since we'd hit a kind of climax in the story and then it went into a lot of exposition, but I also understand there were some things to tie up (that I believe I would tie up sooner in the rewrite, so the momentum isn't lost). I will also say I didn't expect how it ended so that's good as well.

From a game perspective, I do think you cheated just a smidge in that they both ended up with the same fate, but at the same time, I liked that all characters found an ending and that Leona figured into the very end, since she's been in since the beginning.

I did laugh at the Christopher Lee voiceover, especially with all the talk about it. I think our complainer probably hasn't kept up with the thread. Naturally, I could hear the voice perfectly in my head when it came up.

Well done, MBC. Very nice ending.


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