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Don
Posted: April 17th, 2013, 9:24pm Report to Moderator
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Morphine by Michael Joseph Kospiah - Drama - A sheltered teen who can't feel pain lives vicariously through a dominatrix on the night of his 18th birthday.  94 pages - pdf, format


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I really hope the writer shows up.

If the writer is around, I suggest you check in. It lets people know this isn't a drop off.  

I'm about a third of the way through this and it's good

Really well written, great formatting, natural dialog.

It's good.

I don't reconize the name, but then a lot of new writers are around that I don't know to much about.

I suggest some peeps give this a look.

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Hi Ledbetter! I'm trying to get on here a little more often now that I FINALLY have more down time. I was a lot more active when I first found out about this site five, six years ago. One of my feature length scripts "The Suicide Theory" was discovered on this site and is now in post production.

But I've been checking out a few scripts and will be around to comment the next few weeks or so until my next project commences. Thanks for reading, hope you continue to enjoy the story man.


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Actually,

I went back and took a look at your participation history here and it seems you've been a member here for years and almost every single of your 52 comments have been soley on your scripts alone.

Even recently,

The only threads you're on are yours...

Man I hate to say it, but you're really a poster child for how not to participate on this board.

I'm not trying to be mean but you've been a member for 5 plus years now...

...and other than one or two post, you haven’t done anything for anyone who has bothered to take the time to do you the favor of commenting on your work.

I digress...

Read some of the others work here

Then I might have an interest in yours again.

Sorry!

That's just the way this site works, man.

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Sorry dude, I didn't mean to offend you or anybody else on this site. Websites like Zoetrope and Triggerstreet require you to critique scripts in order to receive critiques for your own scripts. This one doesn't.

It's been a while since anyone has asked me to reciprocate comments on this site, which, if a writer were to do, I would gladly give their script a read and comment.

As much as I enjoy feedback, I understand why some of my work hasn't received many comments on this site, which is fine with me. I mostly thought this was a site to showcase your script, and if people choose to comment, that's fine, if not, that's fine too. I know many film directors and indie producers who will come to this site to scout scripts. I myself have looked around this site to help film maker friends find some material, as well as Triggerstreet and zoetrope.

I've read scripts on here that I haven't commented on, either because there all ready is loads of feedback and spoilers in previous comments or because I see a lot of flame wars going on.

I'll definitely make a more conscious effort to read AND comment on more posts other than my own. Especially with more free time. Juggling a 9-5 and then doing writer for hire gigs afterward along with working on my own original material, it can wear on you and become time-limiting.

Once again, I apologize for offending you, dude, I"ll make an effort to participate more. But if it's a problem, I can request anything I've posted on here to be taken down. Last thing I want to do is start some kind of cyber war and have every body on the internet hate me.

Sorry again.


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I apperciate your honesty man.

You didn't offend me btw...

This is a site where we all want to see our scripts filled with reviews.

Good and not so good, but it's nice when something you work on is noticed by those you consider your equals.

I'm not saying that the reason your scripts havent been getting much attention is because they're bad, because that's not true.

the reasonis because you need to be seen doing what others are doing for you. reading and offering comments.

You've had some excellent feedback on all the scripts you've posted here.

But if you are a no=show on the read/comment front then you simply wont get much traction here.

So in a way, this site is like every sight out there that is reader based...

give and recieve...

Take care brother

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I read this last night.  Finished it in about an hour and a half.  Kept my interest all the way through.  I'd say the strongest point is the writing--word choices you use.  It is professional and it's not too wordy at any spot.  If anything, I would have liked a longer 2nd act, the scenes/relationship between Early and Agony are original and interesting.  

While reading this, I could picture every scene--a testament to the quality writing, and at times I thought this reminded me of a 90's B movie Cinemax late nighter, and at other times I thought "this is a great indie concept that hasn't been done before."  Maybe with a great director and DP attached, the finished product would represent more of the latter.

Re: Plot.   It was overloaded with so much death, perversity, and immorality, by the 3rd act, none of it was really shocking, even though you continue to up the stakes.  We get desensitized to all the chaos from early on in the story that the climax and conclusion leaves us indifferent.  Which is strange, because the main character Early does seem to make a change by the end, where he feels more than ever, yet I feel less for the characters by the end because the violence has been so typical through out the story.

Anyway hope this makes sense, this was my first review.  Good luck with this.  Really loved the concept between Early and Agony and if you change anything, hope you expand on their exchanges/relationship.
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Pretty solid.  I'm about 40 pages in.  Well written for sure.  I love the name, Early.  Great first few pages.  Really sets up the character and what he's going through.  You can already get an idea of his angst towards the people around him and the isolation he feels.    

I like the dialogue, minus a few lines that could be trimmed a bit  

I'm not too sure about the Winston character.  I mean, I'm only 40 pages along so he might be fleshed out a bit more.  It just feels out of place.  Like the story doesn't need it, but again, I could be totally wrong.  

I'll keep reading some more when I get a chance.  I'm curious as to where it goes.

So far so good though.
  
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@ Gabby

Thanks for taking out the time to read Morphine, I'm glad it held your interest.


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at times I thought this reminded me of a 90's B movie Cinemax late nighter, and at other times I thought "this is a great indie concept that hasn't been done before."  Maybe with a great director and DP attached, the finished product would represent more of the latter.


I was a huge fan of that 80s and 90s B Movie movement. I tend to infuse that type of flare into my stories without making it cheesy. Hopefully, I accomplished that somewhat WHILE accomplishing the latter comment as well.



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@ Gabby


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Re: Plot.   It was overloaded with so much death, perversity, and immorality, by the 3rd act, none of it was really shocking, even though you continue to up the stakes.  We get desensitized to all the chaos from early on in the story that the climax and conclusion leaves us indifferent.  Which is strange, because the main character Early does seem to make a change by the end, where he feels more than ever, yet I feel less for the characters by the end because the violence has been so typical through out the story.


It is a violent story for sure. At times, perhaps its gratuitous even, but I hope none of it seemed forced. I agree there was chaos early on (the opening scene) but with the exception of one other brief scene, the violence doesn't really escalate until the second half of the story.

And there are immoral and flawed characters all around, yes, and some of it is perverse (especially the final Chinatown reveal) but it IS the world of S&M and the character is a dominatrix. It's not going to be clean, but at the same time, I wouldn't necessarily call that sub-culture entirely perverse. That's just me though, maybe I'm into different things, lol.

Any way, I agree with you on expanding the relationship between Early and Agony, I enjoyed writing that second act and the scenes where it is just them together. I think its a great chemistry they kind of build, and it's a different kind of chemistry.

And I'll see how I can make the audience care more about Early's character arch at the conclusion of the film. My goal wasn't to shock with the violence (with the exception of two of the deaths), but at the same time, I don't want to completely desensitize them either.


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You're right, the only violence in the first half is the opening scene and the gas station double kill.  I think my reaction stemmed from every character getting killed off.  I'm gonna be harsh because you are a good writer and know it, and as a writer myself I'd appreciate an honest reaction.  Did the Stepdad really need to be smothered?  It wasn't central to the story in the sense that we didn't care much because it was already a given he was going to die eventually of illness  The Stepmom being killed off was excessive too.  Though, the way you alternated scenes during that sequence was really captivating.

It became silly and in the realm of "okay let's make this shocking" at the scene in Chinatown.  The whole incest/abuse angle was intended for effect, definitely.  But would it really go down like that?  I don't know.  It became cartoonish at that point.  Although clever use  for Early using his gift to slip out of the handcuffs.  A bit of a payoff.

I emphasized the strength in this story are the 2 characters Early and Agonybecause you could pretty much scrap everything and still build a completely different arc around them.  The settings you described were very visual and aesthetically pleasing, keep that.  

To spitball...scale it back on the deaths.  I would let Winston live.  Much more intriguing to let him live in his predictable misery.  It's weird that you had closure on the Stepdad, yet not Agony's daughter, who was moral central to the story.  What happened to her?
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You raise some very good questions, Gabby, I'll definitely go back and consider your suggestions in rewrites. My intention with smothering the step dad was to make it appear as a mercy kill - he's in great physical pain, but if he were to receive the news that his wife was dead, the pain would be worse than any physical pain he could ever feel.

I felt that the whole incest/rape thing helped to answer why Agony was the way she was.

Letting Winston live is an interesting angle I'll definitely consider. I agree that the strength is the chemistry between Early and Agony and will see what I can do to build on that.

As for closure with Agony's daughter, I originally figured that since the Daddy character is dead, and in a way, also the fact that Agony is dead also, that she was free from that world in a way. I do agree that I should find a better way to bring closure to that character.

Thanks Gabby, your feedback definitely helps.


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Yeah, the only character most of the audience can relate to is the daughter.  Someone just having f'ed up tragedy in their life.  So to end it with Early seeking her out, and friending her would be kind of cliche, but if there were some kind of exchange that was funny, it would be a good conclusion.
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A revised 2nd draft will be up soon.


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Hey man,
Great story you got here. Love the dominatrix angle. Smart. Otherwise, it reads so quick. A testament to your use of action and dialogue. Let the dialogue tell us about our characters, which is great. Good luck with this one. If you ever get a chance direct me to some more stuff you've done. Would love to read some more of your stuff!
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Thanks Steve, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's a dark, surreal piece, but the draft that was previously posted was even darker, so I changed a few things to make the ending not seem quite as grim. In the last draft, everybody died, lol. Hopefully this draft is an improvement.

Thanks for the read, man. Don't really have anything else posted on this site recently, but check out the 30-second teaser for the feature film I wrote, The Suicide Theory (recently produced). It's featured on the simply scripts home page. Like the page on facebook!


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Hi mate, I read 36 or so pages of this and although it is a quick read not enough happens to keep me interested. After reading some of the reviews I was expecting something a little more hardcore, so maybe that was a factor. The clipped sentences with afterthoughts after full stops makes the read stop and start rather than flow. There are a lot of places where you have used a full stop when you could or even should have used a comma. I understand that is your style and I can get past it, it just makes the read very impersonal, lacking voice.

I found the scene where the Dominatrix smashes him over the head with a bottle a little over the top. Just because he doesn't feel pain doesn't mean he can't be damaged. He could still get knocked out.... and having been hit over the head with a bottle myself I was concussed for three days. I didn't actually get knocked out either. You confuse not feeling pain with not taking any real damage. Smashing your own head off the table could cause more damage than just your face.

It is a very quick read and I fear that is because it is dialogue driven so may be even shorter than 90 minutes when filmed.

The dialogue flows really well and is what kept me reading so far.
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Thanks for giving it a go, Dustin. The script isn't exactly plot driven, it's more of a character piece.

As for my writing style, I see what you're saying. I've been through many phases as a writer, some of my earlier work is more purpley prosy. And I've written for producers who prefer that style. I've also written for producers who prefer a more straight forward approach -- a script is a blue print for a film.

And after reading a ton of scripts, produced and unproduced, and receiving feedback on many of my own works, I feel the straight forward style (lacking prose) is more effective in allowing the reader/audience to visualize the story using their own judgment. I don't like telling the reader HOW they should visualize something, but more of the straight forward approach - WHAT they are visualizing.

To me, written description and action is like an offensive lineman in American football... the less you notice them (or hear their names in football), the better. I feel the focus should be on the story and characters. Not that I'm against great description writing, because I'm not. And I admire those who do write great, vivid description, but that's just my approach/philosophy.

You say it's a quick read, and though there is some scenes that are more dialogue driven, part of the reason I feel that it's such a quick read is because my descriptions and action blocks aren't prosy as some other scripts.

As for the clipped sentences, I use the periods rather than commas to simulate BEATS in the action. Though a comma may represent a BEAT, a period represents a longer beat, and I feel it helps to dictate what we're seeing and when we're seeing it. The periods, in a way, represent camera shots and when the camera shot shifts to and focuses to another object or reaction.

And when the dominatrix smashes the bottle over his head... sure, it may be a little over the top, but I pictured this film (and wrote it) as a surreal experience. In films, how many times to do you see someone get smashed with a bottle and keep on keeping on? It's a film, and I was going for the surreal Indie feel.

And with this disease, the person with the disease, can't feel pain. They can't feel irritation -- which means in a lot of cases, they can't cough or sneeze because coughing and sneezing are reactions to irritation. Also, someone with this disease (in a lot of cases) can't feel the urge to urinate. So the effects from a concussion wouldn't be as intense. He takes damage, and perhaps he should feel woozy, but there is not that feeling of nausea that some victims of concussions may feel. If he were to get knocked out, he would just get knocked out. There wouldn't be any lingering warning signs. There may be a moment of wooziness, but the unconsciousness would almost immediately occur.

Thanks again for the read Dustin, sorry it didn't hold your interest, but thanks for reading as far as you did and offering your opinion. Always appreciated, and I'll keep a lot of what you mentioned in mind.


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Yeah it's a different context when a guy gets hit during a fight. This woman understands pain so she above all should know how dangerous it can be. Hitting someone over the head could cause brain damage, even kill them in the right circumstances. I get that she's a dominatrix and that this is a surreal piece I just feel that she hitting him with the bottle turns it into comedy as it is such a nonsensical thing to do. It spoiled the mood for me and was honestly what lifted me out of the story. I started looking for other holes, skipped to the end and didn't really get the feel that I would be interested in what came in between. A part of me feels this would be better as a short, especially as it is a surreal piece.

I commend you on an original piece of work though. And perhaps, that is what I don't like about it. You can't please 'em all.
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To me, written description and action is like an offensive lineman in American football... the less you notice them (or hear their names in football), the better. I feel the focus should be on the story and characters. Not that I'm against great description writing, because I'm not. And I admire those who do write great, vivid description, but that's just my approach/philosophy.

Totally agree. Action is important because film is visual but way too much emphasis is put on it when it comes to reading.

Personally, I love the clipped sentence style. Reminds me a lot of Tony Gilroy, who I believes writes the most efficient action out there.

I really like your action sequences. Quick and to the point.
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Yeah, I really like Tony Gilroy's style as well. Most produced scripts I read use similar methods to writing action these days. I'd breeze through those scripts in 45 minutes without even noticing it, so I kind of adapted that style of writing.

Thanks Insider901, any thoughts on the script? It seems to be a love it or hate it at this point, definitely not for everybody. But hey, it's very original IMO.


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It seems that my point has been missed. I'm pretty sure I didn't mention anything about better description or anything of the like.

I pointed out that there are places where he should have used a comma over a full stop, purely because it makes the read stutter and ruins flow. A comma, reads faster than. a. full. stop. Particularly when he uses one-word sentences that could easily be attached onto another sentence with a comma. I just think it's taken too far in places.
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Here's an excerpt from Michael Clayton. Now, this is just an example, I'm not saying I'm anywhere near the writer he is, but there is plenty of parts where a comma "should" be used. And I've noticed this more and more in produced screenplays over the years.

INT. THE MERCEDES -- NIGHT

MICHAEL driving. Escaping. Running from more than Mr. Greer and Jerry Dante. More than just a bad night boiling behind his eyes. Driving hard and wild. Turning suddenly and --

EXT. WESTCHESTER COUNTRY ROAD -- NIGHT

THE MERCEDES racing along.

INT. THE MERCEDES -- NIGHT/PRE-DAWN

MICHAEL -- turning again -- aimless -- windows open -- cold air whipping through -- braking suddenly -- impulsive -- turning -- suddenly -- faster now and --

EXT. NEW COUNTRY ROAD -- PRE-DAWN

First light. A smaller road. THE MERCEDES speeding past large estates tucked back in the fog and deep woods.

EXT. THE FIELD -- DAWN

A HUGE OPEN PASTURE. Surrounded by forest. The sun just starting to rise. Cold mist hanging over the whole valley. Nothing but gray and green. Stark. Perfect.  THE MERCEDES speeding toward us -- climbing around the turn -- eating up the valley road that runs along the pasture -- but suddenly the car is slowing -- braking hard and --

INT. THE MERCEDES -- DAWN

MICHAEL pulling to a stop. Staring out the window.

EXT. THE FIELD -- DAWN

MICHAEL getting out of the car. Standing there. THREE HORSES poised at the crest of the pasture. Hanging there in the fog like ghosts.

MICHAEL jumping the fence. Walking slowly into the field. Behind him, the MERCEDES with the engine running. THE HORSES aware of him now. Watching him come.

Yes, a comma does read faster, but as I've explained, some of the beats in the action/reaction (now, this is just my opinion, not saying that your way is wrong and my way is right) required a full stop rather than a just pause.

Mr. Gilroy does tend to do a few "no-nos" and other things some screenwriters often frown upon, but the clipped sentences are very common in scripts today, and reading this script (Michael Clayton), I get a clear picture of what he's describing - isn't that the point when writing description? Now, I don't agree with everything he does, he tends to write a lot of things not seen on film, but his style is effective, nonetheless.

I consider my use of them in this script to be tame compared to Mr. Gilroy's use of them in scripts such as Michael Clayton and the Bourne films.

Whether or not someone liked my story, the one consistent positive I've received is that it is a very fast read. And yes, there are some dialogue driven scenes which do speed up the pace, but I feel my style of writing action is also a reason why it's such a fast read.

However, I do respect your opinion Dustin. Each writer has their own style of writing and each reader has their own preferences of what they like/dislike about one's writing style.


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Yeah... my post was in response to being misunderstood. I wasn't trying to push the point that either of us are wrong. I certainly understand where you are coming from. I tend to use the double dash myself a lot now... and those are what I'd use, rather than a comma, for an aside -- or an addition to a sentence already well structured.

I like those no-no's. They help make us individual and they also help us communicate with the readers.

You also may not be as well known as Mr Clayton, but you certainly write just as well. I found no issue with your writing aside from that little comma thing.

I also don't mind everyone dying. Perfect arcs. My favourite because they're just so easy.
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You also may not be as well known as Mr Clayton, but you certainly write just as well. I found no issue with your writing aside from that little comma thing.


Wow, thanks dude, one of the best compliments I've ever received. Hopefully, I keep improving and it takes me somewhere one day (sooner than later hopefully).


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I also don't mind everyone dying. Perfect arcs. My favourite because they're just so easy.


Haha, it is a perfect arc. They start out the story alive. And how do they change by the time the story ends? They die.


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Gave this a read. Very interesting stuff. Obviously, it's a very dark subject and most of the characters are extremely flawed. I had not heard of this condition until a couple of years ago when i watched "The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest."

Anyway, I think the use of your flashbacks was good, the there one that I thought was bordering on too long but i don't remember the page number.

You write dialogue very well, and as we discussed, your Tony Gilroy style of action is my personal favorite. Makes scripts much easier to read.
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Sorry, got kicked off line.
This script really started to get my attention in the scene with Agony and Darko. It’s good, messed up, and funny, all in one.
Pg 28: I thought you got a little long winded on the dialogue when Agony saks Early if he’s a psycho murdered or something. I think you could eliminate a couple lines there and that scene would flow very well.
Pg 52: Thought you did the same thing when Agony was trying to call Melinda. I think you can delete the first three lines of dialogue and open with Agony’s line, “Melinda, it’s me.”
Pg 55: Really interesting visual when you think about Melinda watching Agony, and bringing home this boy who is wearing a gown and bleeding. Good stuff.
Pg 61: Excellent transition from one scene to another. You also did a great job of this on the end of Pg 74.
Pg 71: As well as you write dialogue, I thought Daddy’s explanation about how he wasn’t dead really got into some serious exposition. Then again, not sure what to recommend here. You use a lot of flashbacks, have more coming at the end, so not sure one here would help.
This dialogue didn’t seem to be on par with the rest of your script.
Obviously, the payoff for Early’s condition is how he slips the cuffs. Very well done. Only thing I can think of like it is when Mel Gibson dislocates his own shoulder in lethal Weapon 2.
Probably would’ve liked to see someone live at the end. &#61514;
Must say,  really good story. Very quick read.
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The realtiosnhip between Agony and Early is fascinating considering his condition and her occupation. Would've liked to have seen them end up together.
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Thanks for the feedback, insider 901, it's much appreciated. I'm glad you enjoyed the story despite how dark it was.

I'm glad you caught some things I had suspicions about. That scene with Agony and Early (the one where you suggested the dialogue to be cut down) is an example. I'm actually having a reading at this theater spot in NYC, and those first two scenes with Agony and Early are the excerpts from the script I chose (more actor friendly because it's heavier on the dialogue). And to meet the 10 page limit, I actually did cut down on some blocks of dialogue and realized it actually read better that way. Thanks for confirming that that spot needed some tinkering, I'm glad I changed it

And I agree with Daddy's dialogue being too expository, I'll definitely tone that part down a little bit.

In the first draft, I actually had EVERYBODY dying. Literally. So in this draft, I decided to keep his mother Tina alive. Though not entirely redeeming, I feel it gives the protag (Early) more hope, though Agony getting killed off was a little bit heartbreaking.

Thanks again for the read, glad you enjoyed it. And thanks for the notes as well. I will definitely consider your suggestions in future drafts.

If you have any work posted on here, I'd be more than happy to give it a look see.


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Honestly, I see no reason why you can't get this made. It's not for everyone but it really is good. It'd try to lighten up some of the ending but those are pretty minor changes.
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Yeah, this script will be tough to market. It's not exactly a high concept, plot driven story, though the thought of someone who can't feel pain, becoming somewhat obsessed with pain and sitting in with a dominatrix to experience pain vicariously, at least to me, is interesting. And I think the main character wearing a blood-covered hospital gown literally through the whole story is a striking visual (eg. the scorpion jacket in "Drive", the garbage bag in "Silver Lining Playbook", etc.)

I'm big into Indie film and much of what I write is intended for an Indie audience. I feel the story is quite original, which may also make it a tough sell (along with its dark nature). The story needs some tweaking indeed, but I feel it would make a very strong Indie pic with strong characters and original relationships between characters never before seen on film.

It's hard to get any kind of film made, so this will indeed be a challenge. It will take the right kind of director. But hey, I did get one of my Indie feature scripts filmed, and it was equally as dark as Morphine. We'll see what happens. But first things first... rewrites!




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I'd try having Agony live. That makes it work, IMO.

What script did you get filmed? Doesn't surprise me at all. Where can I find it?
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It's not released yet, still in post production. But they have a little 30-second sneak peek on the simplyscripts homepage - it's called The Suicide Theory - the script was posted here in 2008.

It should be finished in a couple months and will make its rounds in the film festival circuit.

The sneak peek doesn't really show much, but here's the link. I do have an awesome 2 minute teaser, but I'm not allowed to show anybody yet. Hopefully it's released to the public soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF65GifSPLw&feature=youtu.be

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2517300/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


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Very cool. Congrats! Like I said, doesn't surprise me if Morphine is any indication.
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Hey insider901, here's the official teaser trailer just released today... finally! It shows a lot more than the snippet I had posted above. It's about a minute and a half long, check it out!

TITLE: The Suicide Theory
LOG LINE: A suicidal man hires a professional killer to euthanize him, but for some reason, miraculously survives each attempt on his life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBcsdGRvRo

Become a fan on facebook!

And if you haven't all ready, check out Morphine. It's definitely indie, not for everybody, but it's original. Kind of a companion piece to The Suicide Theory.


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Thanks for posting it. Very nice. Indie is definitley the route to go. Once you're in it opens up a lot of possibilities.

Did The Suicide Theory get noticed on SS? Just curious.
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It did by several filmmakers, got me a lot of writing gigs, but as for this film director, I'm not really sure, he never really specified. It's possible.


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Hi Spesh -

Checked out the Suicide Theory trailer - looks very professionally done...kudos!  Also read Morphine, and have been letting it sink in for the last few days.  Wanted to give you an overview of my impressions, FWIW, without doing a line by line analysis.

Very streamed lined, clean writing - it was a smooth, quick read.  As things progressed, the majority of my interest focused on Agony and Early's relationship.  I found myself pulled in, and caring where it went.  Obviously, a pairing between a dominatrix/sadist and a kid who can't feel pain has tons of potential.

Three Small details: 1) I do agree with an earlier poster that Agony got a bit too violent with one of her clients.  Cause pain and humiliation, sure.  But damage?  That's not part of the usual rules.  And yeah - I figure she wants return clients, so she'd play by the rules to some extent.  (Hey, I know what the vault in Hell's Kitchen was like.  So I know where of I speak.    )  2) Re: the scene with Early's birthday party - I was at first confused at how old he was.  And surprised that Tina didn't stop his self-injuring actions sooner.  3) At first, the early flashbacks threw me off.  I saw how they paid off as the script progressed, but at first they seemed too many - and kept pulling me out of the current-day action by jumping between time lines.

My big issue was the last act, once Agony's Dad arrived.  I'm not squeamish - trust me - but the violence, incest and general death and mayhem seemed too far over the top for me.  Violence for violence's sake.  I'm no fan of torture porn for that reason.  Blood and guts, sure.  But only with a purpose.  (I'm not saying you didn't have one...just that it FELT gratutitous to that extent.)  I'm a fan of the very ending, and the darkness of it.  Just...IMHO - something in that last act needed restructuring.  Allowing Agony to survive (maybe) - and toning down the violence a bit in favor of even more character development??

My five cents, FWIW...  But I do think this one has alot of (dark) things going for it...

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Three Small details: 1) I do agree with an earlier poster that Agony got a bit too violent with one of her clients.  Cause pain and humiliation, sure.  But damage?  That's not part of the usual rules.  And yeah - I figure she wants return clients, so she'd play by the rules to some extent.


The scene you speak of is after the stun gun scene with her and Early. Now, I'm not saying that all dominatrixes have messed up pasts with incest and violence, because most of them probably do not. But she gets off on inflicting pain, though she never crosses the line by inflicting serious damage. But this scene in particular, remember, she's never had an audience. And her attraction to Early is a strange one - in a way, she envies his ability (or inability) - while she's punishing this client in particular, she knows Early is watching. She wants to put on a show for him. And she gets caught up in the violence, lost in a lustful frenzy. She even stares at Early in the closet with a seductive look while punishing the client. But she catches herself and snaps out of her little trance (this scene reflects her past and foreshadows the "gratuitous" scene with her father). She's even shocked by the damage she had caused to the client (also, it's the final dominatrix scene of the story). But I feel the scene definitely reflects something darker about her past (which is not yet revealed).


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2) Re: the scene with Early's birthday party - I was at first confused at how old he was.  And surprised that Tina didn't stop his self-injuring actions sooner.


The scene takes place maybe about a year or so after the lake incident where he's 4 years old. I didn't mention the age, because visually, though he's mentioned as 4 in the previous scene, we are never told how old he is. And the changes in appearance between the ages 4 and 5 are minimal, so I didn't mention that he was a year older. But perhaps I could have put 5 candles in the birthday cake or something.

And this is only the second scene. Tina doesn't know he has this "disease". He bangs his head four times - it comes out of left field, right after they sing happy birthday to him. Tina and Fred are bewildered. And Early isn't crying. He kind of wears this blank look while doing it. He shows no signs of pain until he sees the blood on his hand (that's when he cries). The shock Tina and Fred feel from this particular moment causes them to freeze (I felt a proper reaction - it's not like a car is barreling towards him, or he's standing at the ledge of a building - there is no threat leading to it. It happens suddenly.)


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3) At first, the early flashbacks threw me off.  I saw how they paid off as the script progressed, but at first they seemed too many - and kept pulling me out of the current-day action by jumping between time lines.


The themes of the flashbacks reflect the scenes we flashback from and transition to. Flashbacks are always tricky and, especially when there are more than three or four of them. I felt the flashbacks overall reflected one of the main themes of the script - characters struggling with their pasts. Rather than cramming a bunch of info into a couple of scenes, I spread it out in bits and pieces during the script.


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My big issue was the last act, once Agony's Dad arrived.  I'm not squeamish - trust me - but the violence, incest and general death and mayhem seemed too far over the top for me.  Violence for violence's sake.  I'm no fan of torture porn for that reason.  Blood and guts, sure.  But only with a purpose.  (I'm not saying you didn't have one...just that it FELT gratutitous to that extent.)  I'm a fan of the very ending, and the darkness of it.  Just...IMHO - something in that last act needed restructuring.  Allowing Agony to survive (maybe) - and toning down the violence a bit in favor of even more character development??


It wasn't violence for violence sake in my mind. Think about Agony's character before that one scene with Daddy - she's obsessed with the mutilation of genitalia (she makes a few comments to Early threatening to cut off his penis - she also says she should cut off his balls and flush them down the toilet). Even during her "tender" moments, she seems like she's had some serious issues with men (she sets a stun gun to Early's genitals). She's defensive when she thinks Early thinks that she may possibly be a prostitute. She's aggressive. She's foul mouthed.

Now, she spends the story running away from her past, but in a subtle way where she herself doesn't even know it, deals with it in a way that is aggressive and violent. As for the incest, think about the dynamic between her and Early. Though she is only 3 years older than he is, Early is described as looking very young for his age. She even mentions how young he looks when they first meet - yet, she is attracted to him in a strange way, quite possibly stemming from her younger years where she was sexually abused. And though the scene where she puts a stun gun to Early's genitals comes across as romantic through his eyes, the actual act of it is quite disturbing - she's doing harm to him even though he can't feel it. In a way, she's doing what her own father did to her - she's taking something innocent and corrupting it, though her intentions are quite different.

She is opposite from Early in many ways, but in terms of running away from her past, they share that little thing in common. And both of their pasts come back to the forefront in violent ways (though a lot different). I wanted to show the contrast. She ran from her past and sadly, after all that suffering over the years, her life ends. Early ultimately, after running away from everything (never responding to Winston's letters, the mere act of leaving the hospital and not coming home) he makes the conscious decision to confront his past (Winston).

I do agree I can definitely tone down a few things in that scene alone, mostly, IMO the dialogue from Daddy. But it really does explain a lot about her - Daddy wants her to scream, but she doesn't - during her sessions, she gets off on hearing her clients scream. It even has a strange effect on Early when he's attacking Nathan (her brother), begging for him to scream.

As to your comment about toning down the violence in favor of more character development, the violence IS part of the character development. In Agony's case, it's the final part of her character arc. In Early's case, he experiences her life (walks a mile in her shoes) and her pain (psychological) and resorts to becoming a part of it for that scene, though out of necessity.

And in the way their pasts are presented shows the differences between them. In Early's case, his past is shown through flashbacks scattered throughout the script. He is running from his past, but he's not as far along as Agony. He actually ponders about his past often. He talks about it. He wonders Why?

Agony's past isn't revealed until the very end - when it's too late for her. She's been running away from it this whole time and its not until now where the reality of it hits her.

Fate is a theme explored in the film, but I try not to fall into that thing where everything neatly falls into place. I suppose when he breaks out of the cuffs, it's sort of a little pay off (wondering why he has this disease and the purpose behind it) and seemingly saves her life (those guys getting killed and the nature they got killed, I believe it was deserved) ... but she dies, kind of trumping the idea that we realize our purpose during one particular defining moment. Purpose, I feel, is something that is realized within. True purpose is not dependent on others - his existence and the purpose of his disorder wasn't solely for Agony. And I feel the very ending kind of got that across.

Like I said, the story isn't for everybody, though I think Lars Von Trier, David Lynch and David Cronenberg fans (Cronenberg's earlier stuff) would like it, and that's sort of the intended audience.

Thanks again for checking out the script! I will definitely consider your suggestions in future drafts!


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A revised 2nd draft will be up soon.


Hey man,

You sure have doing some great reads and reviews around here brother. Also congrats on The Suicide Trailor. It looks very well done.

Have you reposted this revised script yet?

I'd love to give the new version a read when you do.

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Hey Shawn,

I'm actually working on some revisions right now. I'll probably re-submit the revised version tonight, so it should be up in a few days.

The rewrites are pretty major (I took some suggestions from these boards and consulted with some fellow colleagues/filmmaker pals, and their suggestions were consistent with the ones I've received here). It's pretty much from page 75 - the end.

Thanks in regards to "The Suicide Theory" - it feels good to get anything produced, let alone a feature. And to have it be well-crafted and professionally done to its highest quality makes it all the more gratifying. Not sure about a release date, but I'm confident it will make its rounds at some awesome film festivals (crossing my fingers for Sundance) and find distribution. But as of now, it's still in the latter stages of post (sound mixing, etc).

I've actually found it quite therapeutic to read and review a lot of the work posted here. It's easier to point out the flaws and the successes of other scripts than it is with my own work, which in turn, makes it easier to find the flaws in my own work. And it keeps me out of trouble. I've had a lot of time on my hands lately, due to some personal issues with addiction and such, thus costing me my job and what not.  I've sort of been getting by on unemployment along with selling short scripts lately.

But participating on this site has helped me during this period of detox. And as I read and comment more and more on this site, it has somehow helped to boost my own production (been writing like a madman lately).

It's a nice little community of filmmakers here, of all walks of life, aspiring and established (outside of some of the negative threads I've come across). I'm just happy and humbled to contribute in some way.

I'll keep you posted on when the revised version is up

Cheers

-- Michael


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It's great to hear that you're working through those issues brother.

I can say that this site has helped several people during the downswings in their lives so you are not alone.

I, myself struggled a couple of years ago and actually left here in frustration. It wasn't this site that was the problem, it was me. Don was very gracious and emailed me asking to please be a part of the community.

To him, it may not have been much, but for me, it was the world and it gave me something to hold on to.

Your writing is great. it's no accident you found yourself here. You will succeed if you keep doing what you're doing.

With the caliber of writing you exhibit, you have no choice but to succeed.

Btw...Your Suicide Theory poster is BAD-A$$.

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Thanks for the compliments, dude, appreciate it. I've been writing scripts since forever it seems like (12 years to be more accurate), and I feel I've come along way since then, but you can never stop getting better. Just trying to become the best writer I can be, improving every day.

And as the for The Suicide Theory poster, yeah, when the director first showed me the artwork, I was blown away (thank God). I'm not quite sure who did the artwork, but I'll let you know (hopefully I can get him or her some more work through other filmmakers on this site with projects in development).

I just finished a third draft, so hopefully, it will be up soon. Just re-submitted the draft.

-- Michael


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The revised draft is now up (with a different ending).

Thanks for the reads and comments so far, you guys have definitely been a big help! Hopefully, I'm getting closer here...

-- Michael


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Hey Michael, just finished this. I didn't read through the other comments because I didn't want it to skew my thoughts, so sorry if I'm repeating anything. One thing I think is really great about your writing style is how you reel in the reader, the opening scenes read well as they transition very smoothly into each other, it gives the script a dream-like feel and I can see how it would be effective in film. I don't have anything to say about formatting or writing style, it all reads great and I only spotted a few typos, so the fact that this is a third draft really shows and I'll stick to my thoughts on the story more than anything.

I really enjoyed the set up, my favourite scenes are the interaction between Early and Agony, especially when they first meet. I wasn't sure where this was going when it came to genre. I know it's a drama but I thought this was going to be more of a coming of age story between Agony and Early but it sort of slips into a darker thriller tone towards the end. This threw me off a bit but that's not a bad thing, I just wasn't expecting it and I can appreciate the story a lot more looking back over it now that I know where you were going with it.

The bar scene I really liked but I'm not sure if it's just me but saying the lights dim for just them kind of threw off the original vision I had of the bar, it seems a bit corny and unlikely for the dive that they are in. From what I got, the spotlight thing seems more of an aesthetic choice but I didn't feel it was necessary and it kind of took me out of the moment a bit.

Going back to the tone, things really take a turn when Nathan comes into the picture. You have a knack for writing suspense, and the scene in Agony's apartment really had me on edge and it read well. Personally, the Daddy/Nathan storyline wasn't my favourite subplot when it comes to the characters backgrounds. The scene works because it really gives Agony's character depth and reason for how she is but I thought the reasoning didn't have to be so dark and twisted. It was a lot to handle at this point, I think that something a little more simple, let's say Agony had stolen money from a previous pimp to support her child would be more effective. That's just my opinion though, I could be alone on that one.

In the climatic scene in the motel where Daddy comes into the picture, I kept forgetting that Darko was in the room until he jumps on Early's back. This is a simple fix, but I would just add a few action lines stating that he looks over or something just a bit more often to keep the reader aware of his presence. I liked how Agony was fighting to show pain, it works well in the story how you show how various characters deal with it, it reminded me a bit of Sin City when Jessica Alba is being tortured but holding back to scream.

The only other thing that I felt went a little unmentioned was the wounds that Early has towards the end here. After the motel scene, where Early shots himself through his shoulder (which I think was great by the way), he should be losing quite a bit of blood and though he can't feel it, it should be more of a concern. When Early returns home and sees Tina, there isn't really any mention of Early's wounds or at the hospital, no one seems to be checking him for medical attention and I thought that seemed a little unrealistic.

I liked how you did the ending, the final line worked well for me. Also, I was concerned you might not tie up some of the side stories, but you managed to really make everything come circle in reference to the man who hit him with the car, Tina and so on. Other than these few things, the script is pretty flawless and I could easily see this getting made. Here's a few typos I noticed:

- Page 55 (re: her look) instead of (re: he look)

- page 88 should have let you* drown instead of your

- page 90 early collapses* instead of collapse

Overall, I really liked this, it reads fast and it managed to never lose my interest. The tone was a bit shocking to me because I wasn't expecting this to get as dark and violent as it did but it never turned me off of the script. I think the story is great, the dominatrix mixing with Early's medical condition is a great idea. I liked how every character is facing a different form of pain and suffering in comparison to Early who can't feel physical pain. This is a very smartly written script, I also enjoyed the reoccurring classical music as well as the teenagers on prom night to contrast what the normal teenager is experiencing compared to Early. I believe this script is in pretty much tip top shape and I've learned a lot from it, you have a great, easy-to-read writing style. I look forward to the rest of your writing and I hope you the best of luck with this one.

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Hey Kev,

Thanks for the read, dude, appreciate it. I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as you did. It gets pretty dark later in the story... I just hope there wasn't too much of a shift in tone... I tried to set the tone in the first scene. I was going for that dream like, surreal effect.

The bar scene I really liked but I'm not sure if it's just me but saying the lights dim for just them kind of threw off the original vision I had of the bar, it seems a bit corny and unlikely for the dive that they are in. From what I got, the spotlight thing seems more of an aesthetic choice but I didn't feel it was necessary and it kind of took me out of the moment a bit.

This is more of a fantasy sequence while staying grounded in reality. I'm not sure if you've ever seen "Buffalo 66" but there's a scene with Christina Ricci that kind of comes out of nowhere where a spotlight turns, some whimsical music starts playing and she tap dances.

The spotlight turning on in the bar was used to reflect what was going on inside their heads - they felt like they were the only ones in the room/world. There wasn't an actual spotlight or anything.

In the climatic scene in the motel where Daddy comes into the picture, I kept forgetting that Darko was in the room until he jumps on Early's back. This is a simple fix, but I would just add a few action lines stating that he looks over or something just a bit more often to keep the reader aware of his presence.

Yeah, I only had a few lines - there's one where he's touching himself and another where he shuts the door. Maybe I'll add another action line or so.

The only other thing that I felt went a little unmentioned was the wounds that Early has towards the end here. After the motel scene, where Early shots himself through his shoulder (which I think was great by the way), he should be losing quite a bit of blood and though he can't feel it, it should be more of a concern. When Early returns home and sees Tina, there isn't really any mention of Early's wounds or at the hospital, no one seems to be checking him for medical attention and I thought that seemed a little unrealistic.

Yeah, I was going for the surreal feel while having the story exist in the real world. Kind of like in "Drive" where Gosling's jacket keeps getting bloodier and bloodier while nobody mentions anything.

And the scene with Tina, the focus was more on Tina, who was just attacked and is now about to give birth... plus, Early has Agony's jacket on, covering his wounds at that point.

Thanks for mentioning some of the typos, I'll get on that right away.

And thanks for your feedback. You've mentioned a lot of things that other people who've read this failed to mention, i.e. The wounds not really coming into effect later in the story (I kept waiting for somebody to mention this).

I'm glad you recognized some of the smaller things I wanted to get across... the contrast of the normal teenagers (dressed for prom) compared to Early (an odd kid)... the theme of pain and how each character deals with a different kind of pain... and recognizing how the dark, violent climactic scene explains a lot about the Agony character... and the classical music as well.

Thanks again, Kev... when you post a rewrite for Tumbleweed, let me know, I'll give it a look...

-- Michael


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I'm about half way through, but outside circumstances are making it hard for me to read the whole thing.  I am thoroughly enjoying it, however, and would say it's one of the more engaging scripts I have come across on here.  I really like the writing -- good stuff.

I'll have to put it on the back burner for now but I will finish.  
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I'm about half way through, but outside circumstances are making it hard for me to read the whole thing.  I am thoroughly enjoying it, however, and would say it's one of the more engaging scripts I have come across on here.  I really like the writing -- good stuff.


Thanks, man, glad you're enjoying it so far, appreciate the compliment. Looking forward to your feedback!


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Take your time, dude. I'll be around

If anybody else wants to exchange reviews or wants me to check out their script, let me know...

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Hey Michael. Finally shook off Maryland Deathfest's very long hangover and finished up your script. Here's some notes to kick off my review (forgive the typos; this'll probably take me a while to write)...

pg. 1 - EXT. VIEW FROM A BRIDGE - Not quite a legit slug. Poor way to kick off your script. I'd change it to EXT. LAKE and insert VIEW FROM A BRIDGE after it.

- Would cut "The sun reflects off..." and place it after the first line. You can cut the following description of the sky and all that; "The sun reflects..." sort of implies that.

- EARLY (4) - Call him YOUNG EARLY perhaps?

- IN THE WATER - I found the description following this to be quite clunky. Is Early bobbing up and down? Sinking? How can he plunge into the water if he's already in the water? Somewhat confused here. I'd take a look.

Also, if we're in the water, how is Winston visible underwater? Is this Early's P.O.V. You also use the word "indiscernible. That would basically negate Winston's identity, wouldn't it? Check it out.

pg. 2 - "Candles lit." - Watch out for orphans (in this case, "lit"). There were many in this script. I think you could tighten things up considerably by eliminating them. It's simpler than you think to do so.

- "They exude warmth and kindness." - What? The candles? If so, why does this phrase have its own line? It should come after "Candles lit" (would fix your orphan up, for sure).

This was a reoccurring problem throughout. Try to base your paragraphs around "ideas" so as they're not broken up haphazardly. That doesn't mean you can't break them up at all, of course.

- You might have noticed at this point that I get nitpicky. Feel free to take me with a grain of salt; I'm not perfect myself. I just like to provide writers with thorough and robust reviews that don't gloss over anything and I'm also a huge advocator of strong formatting and language on top of that. It affects your presentation and readability, even if it's on a subconscious level, and thus is highly important.

- (re: off silence) - I have no idea what this is supposed to be.

- He'd have to do *a lot* of *hard* banging to draw blood. I don't think a smooth, presumably wood tabletop would do it this easily.

pg. 3 - The specialist should reveal that Early cannot feel pain and then go into the details as opposed to the other way around. He's probably trying not to stress or confuse these guys.

- "Is this common." - Silly question. Just have the doc say it's extremely rare without having to be asked.

pg. 4 - How can this disease affect less than one in one million people? I understand it's rare but that phrase basically says it doesn't affect anyone. I'd say one in 10 million or something.

pg. 7 - "A shy awkward type." - You can lose this; it'll manifest itself in the story accordingly.

pg. 9 - Head-banging again. See above. Those hollow elevator walls are going to be even less likely to draw blood from Early's head.

pg. 13 - I think you can cut out this opening description of Central Park. Most people know what it's like or should have an idea.

- I'm starting to have issues with the melodrama throughout the script but I'll get to that later. This scene in the hospital particularly bugs me though. It doesn't feel realistic at all. This teen girl's going to prom so she's presumably 17 or 18. I'm pretty sure she'd be able to understand how serious it is to be hit by a car. That doesn't mean she won't be upset and doesn't even mean that she won't think it's unfair or that it might have been her dad's fault or what not but her reaction is way too over the top (wishing her dad had died especially). I'd go for something slightly more subtle. I mean, the fact that she's wearing a dress explains half of it already.

Steven's reaction is equally outrageous. Again, I wouldn't expect him to be reasonable or even thinking straight but he hit a kid with his car. I can't imagine many people would react this way, let alone threaten to kill someone, unless they were completely insane.

- Early is awful nimble, running around and such, after being hit by a car. No pain perhaps but his body might not be in the best shape at this point. I'd make some sort of mention of this.

pg. 19 - I realize Early can't feel pain but he should at least understand this is a problem, especially being 18, hence I would expect him to be more careful. When someone breaks a glass, everyone notices. It's just an unmistakable sound. I'm not saying Early shouldn't cut his feet (in a crowded bar, it'd probably be difficult to spot all the glass anyway) but he should notice the glass break. At this point, it seems he walks straight into it.

pg. 22 - "I'm constipated." - Not particularly funny IMO. Not sure if it makes sense either. I mean, if this is part of the package, wouldn't he have tried to take care of this somehow? I'd just say he can't shit. But whatever. Not a big deal.

pg. 23 - Why is Agony rolling a joint in a diner? Conspicuous much. I mean, I suppose you've made no mention of how many people are in the diner, what time it is, or anything like that. But it makes me wonder. I'm guessing this isn't the diner from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

- Colossal nitpick here but does grunge even have a big patch culture? To each his own, of course, but if I ever saw anyone with Soundgarden or STP patches, it'd certainly be a first for me. Melvins maybe but me thinks it's definitely more of a metal/punk thing (Agony strikes me as metal). Of course, most script readers probably have no idea so just consider this FYI and disregard if you like.

- A peculiar conversation Early and Agony have here. It feels somewhat forced and exposition-y. I'd try to make it more natural sounding.

At this point, I realize I've taken many more notes than I expected and it's taken me quite some time to get them organized. I'll be back with more later...



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CONT'D

pg. 27 - "Are you a psycho murderer or something?" - Strange response. He *just* said he had a genetic disorder.

pg. 28 - "Kinky." - Too obvious?

- I've never been a big fan of character names like OLD GUY. Even OLD MAN would've been better but even then, these sorts of names feel lazy. Someone brought up a couple months ago in some thread that you can name characters after physical attributes or items of clothing they might have. I don't think this is a bad approach. You could call this guy BLINDFOLD for example. Or better yet, you could name him after his safe word (QUASIMOTO)

- It's Quasimodo BTW.

pg. 31 - "I don't know why I even picked up my phone." - Strange line. How else is she supposed to get clients?

- I think Agony might need a little more talking into as far as hitting Early with the bottle. Pain is the least of his worries (naturally); he could get a concussion. That's a lot of repercussion Agony would have to put up with. It's also not so easy to break a bottle over someone's head; might take more than one blow.

pg. 34 - "I'm not completely sold." - Really? She just broke a bottle over someone's head.

- Again, no pain but no doubt a stun gun would lock up Early's nervous system and make him fall. He wouldn't just stand there.

Writing this, I'm actually starting to notice a lot of these kinds of inconsistencies. Just because someone doesn't feel pain doesn't mean that there won't be physical repercussions t0 what happens to their body. I'd keep this in mind.

pg. 40 - How does he say his safe word with a gag on?

- What is up with these clients anyway? They tucker out so quick. I figured they'd be down for what Agony has to offer. I mean, it's not like there isn't a business for sadomasochism.

pg. 47 - "Naked bed" implies "no sheets." No need to repeat yourself.

pg. 48 - Who the hell is the Nathan guy and why would he punch a kid in the face? A little much IMO.

pg. 52 - "You need to go home, Early!" - LOL (just saying; line is fine).

- Why wouldn't Agony explain the situation if she's going to let Early tag along?

pg. 55 - Wouldn't Melinda want to stop Early's bleeding? I mean, if she's going to complain about it, you'd think she'd want to.

- Why isn't Tina worried about where her son is?

pg. 64 - "Is he the one that's after you?" - Obviously.

pg. 78 - I take it Early's never killed anyone before yet he doesn't seem to react. I imagine he might feel sick or something.

- You use a lot of music throughout your script, both diegetic and non-diegetic. If music's playing in the background, that's fine but some readers might take issue with the non-diegetic sound. I don't but I figured I'd mention it regardless.

As it happens, I totally see where you're coming from. I write features with entire soundtracks in mind and the music I listen to whilst developing a script has a huge influence on its content. I'd include tracks myself if I didn't think it'd distract readers or turn them off.

pg. 81 - "I think... I think I need a doctor." - No shit. Silly line. I'd rephrase.

Okay. So this was sort of a strange script for me. It had many issues with it but ultimately I enjoyed it. I think the strangeness, the odyssey-like progression, and the more vulnerable moments with the characters kept me engaged. This is not usually the case.

My biggest issue was with the melodrama. I think when done right, melodrama can work really well but it needs to be logical and carefully placed. I think with a lot of scenes here, that was not the case.

Many of the earlier arguments with Early and his adoptive parents escalated to tears, screams, or things said that might be regretted seemingly with the drop of a hat. It was almost like there was dialogue missing from the scenes. Early screaming at Tina for not being his mother for example. What prompted him to say that? Arguments in real life don't start with people dropping the biggest bombs right off the bat. They escalate.

Fred flipping out in the hospital was similar. He goes from calling his son kiddo one minute to screaming why life is so short the next. Now sometimes people do keep their pain buried in their gut and it can explode at unexpected moments but this didn't feel like one of those situations; it's just awkward.

Crying should be used sparingly. It can be very powerful sometimes but it loses that power when it's used excessively. Tina cries so much within just a few pages, it was as if she does this all the time. Left Hand Paths had some issues with this as well so I'm not entirely off the hook. I'm just saying pick the moments where it's best to have emotions escalate and hold back a little otherwise so that those moments can breathe some.

Sometimes the melodrama came out in different forms e.g. Steven screaming at Early or how violent Agony's family are right off the bat. They seemed from another story pretty much. This clearly isn't supposed to be Devil's Rejects and yet Daddy and Nathan were needlessly violent. They would more intimidating if they were less in your face and sporadic and more developed (not knowing anything about them, the violent outbursts didn't quite make sense).

Some lines didn't quite come out right, sounded forced or on the nose. "Maybe if I close my eyes, I'll wake up and everything will be okay." - This is an idea that you want to communicate, not say outright. It didn't even seem like Agony was saying this to anyone in particular. Fortunately lines of this nature were minimal. Overall dialogue was okay but could be better, for sure.

My second biggest issue was that while I think you had a lot of strong themes and interesting ideas, they didn't really tie together. The second scene with Early and Steven was clunky but poignant e.g. a guy who can't feel physical pain who understands other forms of pain and can connect in a way. This hinted at an interesting theme but it just wasn't fully realized or consistent, leaving this one scene feeling incidental. That said, I do think pain is a theme here. Everyone in the story seems to feel it. But perhaps you need to get more specific and get your elements to connect a little better.

The sadomasochism theme was actually more problematic for me. Agony is in the business of pain and yet she thinks Early has a gift for not feeling it. It seems like this is the basis on which that can relate. Frankly, I think you got it all backwards. Agony's clients receive pleasure from pain (why else would they seek her out) and hence she and Early are incompatible. I thought Agony helping Early feel physical pain might be a road you'd go down. I also thought Agony might feel sorry for Early and would seek to connect with him out of sympathy as to her, it's like the equivalent of someone not being able to orgasm.

These were the ideas that made the most sense to me based on what I know about sadomasochism and it seems like you went the opposite of all that. It didn't make sense to me. I think you'll need to do some more research. Even so, I don't think the theme was capitalized on enough even if none of these issues were in place.

Finally, I liked the setup for the story with Winston but it didn't seem to go anywhere or tie into the main story. I also didn't understand how Winston would think Early was his savior only to turn on him and his family in the end. I mean, Early was four. How could he be expected to remember this guy?

Unlike the other issues, I've brought up, I actually think I might have missed something here. There seems to be some reason for this subplot lost in the ether somehow. If you'd care to explain what that is, I'm all ears. It seems like you had something specific in mind here.

All that said, I appreciated the strangeness of the story. The pacing was solid more or less. I think some readers might think Agony shows up too late but I'm not so sure. I liked Early. A very strange character indeed but truly earnest and innocent and in a weird sort of way, his history and current situation made him seem more together than the other characters in the story. I didn't quite feel the same way about agony. She seemed kind of standoffish and juvenile at times, to the point where I couldn't really buy her as a sadist with a business, but there was a lot to her. It made sense that she would be drawn to Early, even in a non-romantic way, partly for the reasons I mentioned earlier and I wanted to see both characters to find their way or at least have a moment where they were happy and relieved to have found each other.

The other characters were sort of one-dimensional. I'd give some thought as to developing them further.

So yeah. A strange, very mixed bag for me but it was interesting and I think you can certainly develop it into something strong. Hope this helps. Sorry to make you read so much and for the typos that are most certainly there.


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pg. 1 - EXT. VIEW FROM A BRIDGE - Not quite a legit slug. Poor way to kick off your script. I'd change it to EXT. LAKE and insert VIEW FROM A BRIDGE after it.


Noted. But I've seen it a thousand times in a lot of my favorite produced scripts, but usually it's a EXT. NEW YORK CITY SKYLINE or EXT. PANORAMIC VIEW - mostly establishing shots, often the very first slug in the script.


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- IN THE WATER - I found the description following this to be quite clunky. Is Early bobbing up and down? Sinking? How can he plunge into the water if he's already in the water? Somewhat confused here. I'd take a look.


I should have explained that he was treading water, struggling to stay afloat. And I should have said his HEAD plunges below water.


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Also, if we're in the water, how is Winston visible underwater? Is this Early's P.O.V. You also use the word "indiscernible. That would basically negate Winston's identity, wouldn't it? Check it out.


This is what I had...

Early plunges below dark water. Back up to blinding sunlight.

The bridge above: WINSTON leans over the ledge. Waves his arms. Merely a silhouette. His identity indiscernible.

Early goes under. Emerges to see Winston dive into the lake.

Early dips under again. Into darkness.


Yeah, this is from Early's POV, but I didn't write POV. Thanks for pointing that out. But before Winston jumps into the lake from the bridge, his identity indiscernible, I do mention that Early comes back up to blinding sunlight, a line before the Winston action line.

I write Winston's name from the bat because I have a lot of flashbacks, and I didn't want the reader to get confused - a lot of folks who read scripts don't read it in one sitting and often lose track of things.  


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pg. 2 - "Candles lit." - Watch out for orphans (in this case, "lit"). There were many in this script. I think you could tighten things up considerably by eliminating them. It's simpler than you think to do so.


Ah, yes, the orphans. I do have this a bit in the script in both dialogue and action descriptions... will address that in the next draft.


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- He'd have to do *a lot* of *hard* banging to draw blood. I don't think a smooth, presumably wood tabletop would do it this easily.


I used to do this as a kid (so my parents tell me) - not sure why, maybe for attention? I don't know. But I did bang my head so hard that I busted myself open.

Yeah, it probably would have taken longer to draw blood, but I figure I cut to the chase instead of having three minutes of the kid banging his head.


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- I'm starting to have issues with the melodrama throughout the script but I'll get to that later. This scene in the hospital particularly bugs me though. It doesn't feel realistic at all. This teen girl's going to prom so she's presumably 17 or 18. I'm pretty sure she'd be able to understand how serious it is to be hit by a car. That doesn't mean she won't be upset and doesn't even mean that she won't think it's unfair or that it might have been her dad's fault or what not but her reaction is way too over the top (wishing her dad had died especially). I'd go for something slightly more subtle. I mean, the fact that she's wearing a dress explains half of it already.


She sure is a chip off the old block, ain't she haha? These aren't logical people. The story takes place in New York City (my home) and I've seen and heard a lot stranger from so-called normal people. They aren't thinking rationally. I'll never forget one time when I was at the hospital and some asshole was complaining about how long he's been waiting for a nurse when there was a baby dying (killed by its mother apparently) in the next room - the mood among the officers, hospital staff and other patients lingering in the hall was very somber.

And other than that, we're seeing this through Early's eyes. A lot of this melodrama is meant to show how detached Early feels, though in actuality, he's not as detached as he thinks he is. If that makes any sense.


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Steven's reaction is equally outrageous. Again, I wouldn't expect him to be reasonable or even thinking straight but he hit a kid with his car. I can't imagine many people would react this way, let alone threaten to kill someone, unless they were completely insane.


People are selfish - him being in the hospital is an inconvenience to him, and he takes it a little too far, here. As I've mentioned, not many people would react this way... but he does.


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- Early is awful nimble, running around and such, after being hit by a car. No pain perhaps but his body might not be in the best shape at this point. I'd make some sort of mention of this.


He does limp around for the remainder of the story... you can limp fast, can't you? I wasn't so much concerned about the logistics, though I do try to keep them in mind... but I wrote this with the intentions of making this a surreal, fairy tale type of story.


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pg. 23 - Why is Agony rolling a joint in a diner? Conspicuous much. I mean, I suppose you've made no mention of how many people are in the diner, what time it is, or anything like that. But it makes me wonder. I'm guessing this isn't the diner from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.


It's a New York City diner at night. I've done worse than roll a joint at a table. This is a city where you can order beer at a diner at 3 in the morning. I've snorted lines off a table at a diner before (my wilder days). Either or, I didn't think it was that much of a big deal. Especially with the prices of cigarettes in the city (up to 15 bucks now for a pack) a lot of people roll their own cigarettes now.


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- A peculiar conversation Early and Agony have here. It feels somewhat forced and exposition-y. I'd try to make it more natural sounding.


I thought Agony's dialogue was more relaxed and natural than Early's... Early's dialogue isn't supposed to sound natural. He's socially deprived. I've been away from people for long periods of time, especially recently due to rehab (long story)... the second I was out in society, what normally would be a casual conversation was me ranting for 20 minutes about every single detail about my life. I was so eager and happy to talk to somebody and tell them all of these things I haven't had the opportunity to tell somebody else.

Early doesn't really know how to interact socially... everything is so matter of fact with him, though it seems unnatural and weird to others.


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pg. 27 - "Are you a psycho murderer or something?" - Strange response. He *just* said he had a genetic disorder.


It's something she wanted to say before, but didn't... then it came out at an awkward time. Not all conversations are natural, especially with "stranger" people. It's funny how she says Early isn't exactly normal when she's far from it herself.


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- I think Agony might need a little more talking into as far as hitting Early with the bottle. Pain is the least of his worries (naturally); he could get a concussion. That's a lot of repercussion Agony would have to put up with. It's also not so easy to break a bottle over someone's head; might take more than one blow.


It was Agony's idea. It's part of her character. She's not your typical dominatrix. She likes to hurt people, though it doesn't come off as malicious. It's how she was brought up. She comes from a family of sociopaths (as we learn later) - sure, maybe her clients get off on the pain, but she doesn't do it for them. She doesn't get off on another person's pleasure - she gets off on their pain.

But with Early, it's different - he can't feel pain obviously. So how can she get off on it if she can't hurt him (pain wise)? I try to include several underlying connotations, relating pain and sex, the pain being perverse - she actually feels something different with Early. The moment they share when she's holding a stun gun to his genitals isn't an erotic moment - sure, she's turned on, but it's not perverse. It comes from a different place.


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pg. 34 - "I'm not completely sold." - Really? She just broke a bottle over someone's head.


She's being facetious. She wants to do more to him. During the course of the story, she has a strange obsession with mutilating male genitalia (through dialogue mostly)... related to her sexual abuse.


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- Again, no pain but no doubt a stun gun would lock up Early's nervous system and make him fall. He wouldn't just stand there.

Writing this, I'm actually starting to notice a lot of these kinds of inconsistencies. Just because someone doesn't feel pain doesn't mean that there won't be physical repercussions t0 what happens to their body. I'd keep this in mind.


Yeah, if you held a stun gun long enough, sure it would make him fall. A taser would make him fall immediately (the electrical current travels through a wire into the body)... I've held my own with a stun gun, though I did fall after a good 10 seconds... it felt like I did a thousand crunches.

There are quite a few moments where a suspension of disbelief is required, but I feel like it fits the tone of the story - the surreal, fairy tale kind of feel. But I will look into it.


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pg. 40 - How does he say his safe word with a gag on?


The line before, he spits his gag out... it's not one of those gags that are bound tightly to his face, into his mouth.


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pg. 55 - Wouldn't Melinda want to stop Early's bleeding? I mean, if she's going to complain about it, you'd think she'd want to.


If my roommate brought home some strange guy, covered in blood who looks like they've escaped from a mental hospital, I'd probably want him to get the fuck out of my apartment. But that's just me.


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- Why isn't Tina worried about where her son is?


Because she thinks her son is still at the hospital.


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Many of the earlier arguments with Early and his adoptive parents escalated to tears, screams, or things said that might be regretted seemingly with the drop of a hat. It was almost like there was dialogue missing from the scenes. Early screaming at Tina for not being his mother for example. What prompted him to say that? Arguments in real life don't start with people dropping the biggest bombs right off the bat. They escalate.


I did a lot of research on the disease and variations of the disorder - many of these kids who grow up don't quite mature emotionally in the way people like you and I would. Of course, behavioral problems or patterns are affected by how they were brought up, but even in cases where the family or support group is strong and stable, these people still struggle with their emotions. Often times, their behavior is irrational. And erratic. Some cases showed symptoms of bi polar disorder. The shooter behind the massacre in Connecticut was speculated to have symptoms of a disorder similar to Early's.

And it is Early's birthday -- his mother died at childbirth, "causing" his father to try and drown him ON the day of his birthday years later -- said father also commits suicide. Not a great day for him. There's a lot of pain there. A lot of deep-seeded resentment brought on just by the sight of the birthday cake.


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Fred flipping out in the hospital was similar. He goes from calling his son kiddo one minute to screaming why life is so short the next. Now sometimes people do keep their pain buried in their gut and it can explode at unexpected moments but this didn't feel like one of those situations; it's just awkward.


Yeah, probably a little bit too melodramatic - but sometimes, good memories can be the most painful when we know that there won't be many more. Fred obviously hasn't accepted his fate.


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The sadomasochism theme was actually more problematic for me. Agony is in the business of pain and yet she thinks Early has a gift for not feeling it. It seems like this is the basis on which that can relate. Frankly, I think you got it all backwards. Agony's clients receive pleasure from pain (why else would they seek her out) and hence she and Early are incompatible. I thought Agony helping Early feel physical pain might be a road you'd go down. I also thought Agony might feel sorry for Early and would seek to connect with him out of sympathy as to her, it's like the equivalent of someone not being able to orgasm.


I addressed this earlier. Helping Early feel physical pain would be impossible. She wouldn't feel sympathy for him... she's in awe of him. Almost envious due to her painful upbringing. She doesn't like pain. She likes inflicting it. And her obsession with inflicting pain comes from a dark and perverse place.

And, though I don't go into that direction (Agony helping Early feel physical pain), I do give a subtle hint (very subtle) at the very end that maybe, in fact, she has helped him in a way feel pain -- earlier in the script, Early mentions that he's never coughed or sneezed before (he wouldn't feel the irritation - this is only in the more extreme cases of the disorder) -- yet, he coughs up water.


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Finally, I liked the setup for the story with Winston but it didn't seem to go anywhere or tie into the main story. I also didn't understand how Winston would think Early was his savior only to turn on him and his family in the end. I mean, Early was four. How could he be expected to remember this guy?


Winston was a life long criminal (I never mention this, but I imply it I think). All his life, he did things that he knew were wrong, but did them anyway. The one good thing he does is save Early, and though he ends up doing time, he sees this as his salvation. He feels enlightened. And then his life turns to shit after he is released from prison. The only redemption he's experienced in his life was saving Early. His life lacks meaning, so much so that he's obsessed with that one thing he's done good. But Early never shows any gratitude, and it kills Winston inside. And he reverts back to his old ways of thinking while under the influence.


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Unlike the other issues, I've brought up, I actually think I might have missed something here. There seems to be some reason for this subplot lost in the ether somehow. If you'd care to explain what that is, I'm all ears. It seems like you had something specific in mind here.


A sense of purpose. The theme of fate. And the theme of the past -- each of these characters is haunted in a different way. And their pasts (Early and Agony) catch up with them in different ways (Agony's past catches up with her and she is forced to confront it... Early takes it upon himself to confront his past after the situation with Agony plays out).

It can definitely be executed better. And the story as a whole can definitely have more focus, but I purposely wanted things to have a muddled feel to it, a beautiful mess if you will. Like I mentioned when we spoke a few weeks ago, I had elements of Lars Von Trier's work in mind (at parts) as well as David Lynch.

Also, I forgot to mention it, but you said something about how Agony's family acts so violent, that it didn't make sense to you. Again, it wasn't really supposed to make sense... they're violent. They've abused Agony her whole life. This is how they are. As to why they are the way they are, that's probably best suited for another script. But they symbolize that perverse and violent side to Agony's personality. Think Dennis Hopper's role in "Blue Velvet".


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Okay. So this was sort of a strange script for me. It had many issues with it but ultimately I enjoyed it. I think the strangeness, the odyssey-like progression, and the more vulnerable moments with the characters kept me engaged. This is not usually the case.


Glad you enjoyed it overall, James. I can't thank you enough for the notes. My rebuttals probably don't make a lot of sense as I kind of just woke up and I'm still out of it, but when I'm more mentally awake, I'll look back over your notes... your suggestions make a lot of sense, man, and I'll definitely take them into account when I get to rewrites.

-- Michael


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Glad you enjoyed it overall, James. I can't thank you enough for the notes. My rebuttals probably don't make a lot of sense as I kind of just woke up and I'm still out of it, but when I'm more mentally awake, I'll look back over your notes... your suggestions make a lot of sense, man, and I'll definitely take them into account when I get to rewrites.


Sounds good, man. You've clarified a few things for me somewhat. It seems like you were going for more of a heightened reality sort of angle. Fair enough. That's sometimes difficult to come across on the page as you don't have the full package of actors, images, and such. I also should've kept in mind that this is set in NYC and that you're an area native. Your nightlife is practically that of another country's coming from DC as I do. I've been to some 24-hour diners after last call, for one thing, but they don't serve beer and a joint would've fly. We're effectively less cool, for sure.

I think Agony might need to be fleshed out some more. I figured her particular brand of sadomasochism was more standard. It didn't come across that she wanted to inflict pain for the sake of pain and not pleasure and apparently that's essential to the story. I did get the sense that you wouldn't find her where you'd find the other dominatrixes; you'd have to delve further into the gutter, for sure. Still, I didn't really get that more personalized sense of darkness from her. I mean, she certainly lets the meek Early follow her around for long enough.

As for her family, I'd say the same. I totally understand the Frank Booth comparison. That character is more of an entity than a man. However in Blue Velvet, you have time to soak up his aura. Here, with Nathan and Daddy, not so much as they're in the story so briefly. It's a little more jarring, for sure.

Anyway, glad I could be of service. I'll be happy to discuss things further if you decide to elaborate a little.


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I think Agony might need to be fleshed out some more. I figured her particular brand of sadomasochism was more standard. It didn't come across that she wanted to inflict pain for the sake of pain and not pleasure and apparently that's essential to the story. I did get the sense that you wouldn't find her where you'd find the other dominatrixes; you'd have to delve further into the gutter, for sure. Still, I didn't really get that more personalized sense of darkness from her. I mean, she certainly lets the meek Early follow her around for long enough.


Yeah, you're probably right... I was perhaps a little too subtle. I do have a lot of underlying themes that go relatively unnoticed that I'd like to solidify a little more... it's not so much that she lets Early follow her around. In a way, she wants him to. It was meant to reflect her sexual abuse... in that first scene together at the diner, she mentions how young he looks.

In a way, without bad intention, she sees something pure and corrupts it a bit by introducing him into this world. Similar to how she was abused as a child -- she was once pure and years later, is far from it. But her intent isn't malicious. There is good in her, and that good side of her is running from the world she came to know. Though we don't see much interaction between her and her daughter, she comes across as a decent mother I guess, despite her choice of profession and what that child may symbolize. Early is kind of her chance to corrupt somebody... though as the night progresses, it's Early who has the influence on her. Once there are signs of her past returning (Nathan at the bar) she becomes a child again, almost.

Her defiance and defensive nature is a product of her past. And though she corrupts Early in a way, she also sees him as a beacon. He symbolizes pureness, I suppose. At least that was the intention.


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As for her family, I'd say the same. I totally understand the Frank Booth comparison. That character is more of an entity than a man. However in Blue Velvet, you have time to soak up his aura. Here, with Nathan and Daddy, not so much as they're in the story so briefly. It's a little more jarring, for sure.


Good point.


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It seems like you were going for more of a heightened reality sort of angle.


Exactly. This was heavily influenced by Lynch, Von Trier, but mostly Cronenberg (I love the way he uses sex, fetishes and mutilation as a means of showing character depth -- e.g. Crash, A History of Violence, Videodrome).

Nic Refn also had some influence, but more of his visual style.

Thanks again, dude! Much appreciated!

-- Michael



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I digress...

Read some of the others work here

Then I might have an interest in yours again.

Sorry!

That's just the way this site works, man.

Shawn.....><


So, Shawn, I am a newbie, so what would be most helpful to the forum and for my learning: 1) to read/comment on scripts when there is no comments from anyone or read/comment the ones like "Morphine" which has several feedback?
I see some scripts with zero comments and I wonder why. Is that a member who never post comments and suddenly wants you guys feedback in their work?
Thank you, Villas.
(English is not my first language and I am skeptical on making comments since I have seen people pick on any minor (or major) grammar or spelling errors. I do understand that can not happen on a script, but my comments will be criticised for this matter?)
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So, Shawn, I am a newbie, so what would be most helpful to the forum and for my learning: 1) to read/comment on scripts when there is no comments from anyone or read/comment the ones like "Morphine" which has several feedback?


I know this is directed at Shawn, but allow me to answer your question...

I say read/comment on whatever you want, whatever script grabs your interest.


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I see some scripts with zero comments and I wonder why. Is that a member who never post comments and suddenly wants you guys feedback in their work?
Thank you, Villas.


Most likely, but it could be due to other reasons... maybe the they have a poor log line. Or maybe the script just doesn't interest anybody. Or maybe the person/writer comments, but doesn't really offer much other than a few sentences here and there commenting on the first couple of pages of a few scripts.

It's just like Shawn told me... you get what you give, and after I returned to the site, I had the pleasure of reading and commenting on several scripts, contributing to the site the best I can. And because of that (I think) I've received a lot of feedback on Morphine.


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(English is not my first language and I am skeptical on making comments since I have seen people pick on any minor (or major) grammar or spelling errors. I do understand that can not happen on a script, but my comments will be criticised for this matter?)


I'm sure the members here will accept and appreciate your comments. Welcome to the boards, by the way.

-- Michael


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Hey Villas,

Welcome to the boards man.

Michael pretty much nailed it my friend. My intent wasn't to discourage but to encourage readers to be proactive in the whole experience.

No one wants to invest a ton of time in a read and comment in a script that is nothing more than a drop off. By that, I mean, someone who simply leaves a script here and expects a ton of people to invest in it when he himself doesn't invest any time in other's scripts.

When people see you here reading scripts and commenting on them, believe me, it's noticed. They say to themselves...

Okay, they are around and they are investing what time they can afford to help other writers out, so yeah, I'm gonna take the time to see what they have to offer and help them out as well.

By the way, some of our more successful writers are those whose language is other than English.

In fact, look up Michael Duthin here. If I'm right, he has a short entered in this years Cannes film festival and his primary dialect is French.

Take care buddy

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Congrats to the author on getting HIGHLY recommended to Scriptshadow.
Don't waste your time worrying, it'll all be over by Wednesday.

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Greetings Michael,

Had a spare few ticks, so I peaked at the first half dozen...
And found what appears to be a SLUG problem that needs to be addressed.

The story starts with Early at age FOUR.
Ok, fine.

Then right into therapy. Then the FLASHBACK to the grisly deed.
Ok, I make the assumption that Early's roughly the same age with the doc.

But then...
You cut to the "PRESENT TIME" on page six. Now, Early's EIGHTEEN?

You established the present time already in your previous slugs with Early at age four.
So, unless I'm completely (it happens) misreading things, what you really have is...

An opener that has a FLASHBACK within a FLASHBACK.
Then once the second FLASHBACK is over...
The narrative then FLASHES FORWARD fourteen years to PRESENT TIME.

Development hounds, like myself, look for these kinds of red flags all day long.
It's a tell-tale sign of a writer that's not a working professional.
Which gets your script a big step closer to the trash bin here in town.
If you're an unknown quantity, you're judged by the red flag system. Period.

Recommend addressing this before sending your script out.
Good luck. Keep writing & rewriting!

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Congrats to the author on getting HIGHLY recommended to Scriptshadow.
Don't waste your time worrying, it'll all be over by Wednesday.


Haha! Thanks! Had someone from another site read the script and loved it, so they recommended the script to Carson (apparently they have similar tastes).


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You established the present time already in your previous slugs with Early at age four.
So, unless I'm completely (it happens) misreading things, what you really have is...

An opener that has a FLASHBACK within a FLASHBACK.
Then once the second FLASHBACK is over...
The narrative then FLASHES FORWARD fourteen years to PRESENT TIME.

Development hounds, like myself, look for these kinds of red flags all day long.
It's a tell-tale sign of a writer that's not a working professional.
Which gets your script a big step closer to the trash bin here in town.
If you're an unknown quantity, you're judged by the red flag system. Period.


Thanks for pointing that out... I suppose a 14 YEARS LATER title card would have been correct (after acknowledging END FLASHBACK).

Yeah, I know every morsel of this script is going to be gouged on Wednesday. The version of the script that was recommended to Carson was a second draft, too... ugh! There was God damn typo on page 1 fml haha... not good!!!

REWRITES REWRITES REWRITES!!!

But thanks for the heads up... kind of nervous now...

-- Michael


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BTW, if anybody should happen to read the version on Script Shadow, that draft is different from the one I have posted here -- the ending is drastically different. It's a LOT darker and a LOT more bleak ala the ending to Seven... but that was the version that was highly recommended to Script Shadow...

Crossing my fingers...

-- Michael


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Hey Michael -

Good luck - we're all rooting for you and Morphine!

Cheers,

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Thanks J (Wonka)... hopefully the script doesn't fuck up the credibility of the guy who highly recommended it haha


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This is on my to-read list.

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"No matter what you do, your job is to tell your story..."

Short scripts

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Curt,

Hopefully, you enjoy it! It is very dark and has a very indie feel... the themes are handled in a very abstract way. The version on simply scripts is different from the one on script shadow... the character arc is a lot more clear on the version posted here, but it felt less provocative and too easy.

It wanted it to come across as a dream-like tale... at parts nightmarish. I bend reality a bit, here. Think of it as a dark and surreal coming of age suspense drama.

Any way, looking forward to your thoughts!

-- Michael


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Love dramas.  And I am a massive fan of indie movies, so I think I shall enjoy this!  Hopefully I can have it done in one sitting

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And anyone reading Morphine, please, show your support and check out the official teaser trailer for the Australian independent feature I wrote, "The Suicide Theory".

Directed by Dru Brown. Starring Steve Mouzakis (Where the Wild Things Are, I Frankenstein) and Leon Cain (Terra Nova, The Straits). Executive producer Darwin Brooks (AD on films Alexander, Syriana, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Ghost Ship).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBcsdGRvRo

And show even more support by liking us on facebook and following us on twitter...

https://www.facebook.com/TheSuicideTheoryFilm?fref=ts
https://twitter.com/TSTFeatureFilm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2517300/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Now, back to your regularly scheduled program...

-- Michael


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Michael!!!

Excited for you! Best of luck!

Rooting for YOU!

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Michael, best of luck. To get anyone to call your script "impressive" is an achievement, whatever else happens. Congrats and I hope Carson loves the script.
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Thanks D... getting pretty nervous about that review on Wednesday... but I'm thankful for the opportunity to gain exposure, and, at worst, I'll receive some very helpful feedback in the critique (as I've received here on this site). Can't help but thank the gentleman who highly recommended the script (from another website)...

-- Michael


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Thanks KevinL, I hope Carson digs it, too. Hopefully I don't get the "trash" or "not for me" rating, haha. The gentleman who recommended said Carson would like it, so I'm crossing my fingers...


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You should be fine, dude.  Morphine is a killer script.
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Thanks man, appreciate it. Thus far, in general, it's been well received, especially when you consider that the script/story/tone isn't for everybody (I knew that writing it). But opinions always vary... hopefully, the script can keep on building momentum...


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SPOILERS***


And it should be well-recieved.  It's one script, along with Bert's The Farm, that I would instantly recommend to a newer member on here who's looking for a really engaging story to sit down and read.  

Browsing over earlier posts now, I see previous drafts ended pretty harshly.  Like some Reservoir Dogs type shit.  Whatever happened before, I'm glad the draft you e-mailed me had Early and Agony survive (they were cute together).  I swear when Daddy blew Agony's hand off with the hand canon, I was on the edge of my seat
talking to myself:  "Ah, fuck, Mike, don't do this to me."
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Thanks dude... different version on Script Shadow... Agony dies! But that was the version that was recommended.

Thanks for checking it out, man, and thanks for your endorsement!

-- Michael


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Not sure if you knew, but your script is mentioned here.  http://babzbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/06/babz-buzz-028.html

Good luck at ScriptShadow!  


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Good luck, Michael.

You're a fantastic writer, with a very unique style and I know you've paid your dues over the years.

Fingers crossed that this is the beginning of something good.
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Babz did say she gave my script a shout out, but I wasn't really sure where to find the podcast... thanks Pia!

Hey Rick, long time no talk! Thanks a lot for your support over the years!

-- Michael


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Before I begin I want to make it clear that this is just My opinion. I'm not an expert, I make no claim to be one. I am just a struggling writer/director hoping that my input might help another story-teller hone their craft.

So...I didn't finish your script. Not because it was a difficult or painful read, but because one of my good friends dated a dominatrix for several years. I met a lot of people involved in that particular lifestyle and we never got along well...ever. Plus she really fucked him over, both financially and mentally. As such I have a slight biased the on the whole BDSM/dominatrix lifestyle.

But that's not to say that your script is bad. On the contrary, it's very good. Your writing style is impressive. Very lean and clean. I did whoever have a few notes for you. I got to page 35 but as you'll see my notes are pretty scant and spread out, a testament to your writing. Mostly little things, nothing major.

pg 1 - "Red mist resonates in the air." -- Can the red mist of blood escaping the body really resonate? I mean yes one of the definitions of resonate is to be filled with but, is this the right word for what you want to convey? Just how much blood came out of this guys melon?

"The bridge above: WINSTON leans over the ledge. Waves his arms. Merely a silhouette. His identity indiscernible." -- Who's Winston? No description, no context...is this on purpose?

pg 2 - TINA (re: off silence) -- Personally I got that this was implied and didn't feel you needed to reiterate it.

pg 3 - "Early erupts into sudden tears." -- I think that "erupts" implies that the tears are sudden.

"SPECIALIST, a doctor in white coat..." -- I think you meant in a white coat.

pg 5 - EARLY: Do you ever wish that you can have a baby? Your own baby? -- Did Early age and you forgot to mention it? This is rather mature dialogue for a four year old.

pg 12 - After the slugline: EXT. UPPER WEST SIDE (MANHATTAN) - LATER "A city setting." -- The slugline implies that it is a city setting.

pg 14 - "He whips his head around and cuts an evil look into Early’s direction." -- This sentence reads awkward to me. How do you cut a look into someone's direction?

"Early opens his eyes. Moonlight shines on his face. The room otherwise dark." -- Did you mean...is otherwise dark?

pg 17 - ELEVATOR  "Early leans his back against the wall and breathes heavily. On the brink of a panic attack. In tears. The doors slide shut." -- A little confusing. Usually the doors open before someone exits the elevator.

pg 25 - EARLY: I mean, I don’t enjoy it, but I don’t mind. It’s everybody else who doesn’t like talking about it. -- He just said he likes talking about it? Don't know many people that like something they don't enjoy.

pg 27 -- The exchange here between Early and Agony feels a little forced. Not sure how I would fix it though. I know you need to drive the story forward and him watching is where you're headed, but still....feels forced. Like she's a little too accepting of this nutball in a hospital gown.

Over all, very clean writing, and like others who have read this before, it was a very quick read. You're style is solid and you're technical skills are on the money. Not at all surprising that you already have a produced script.
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Hey man, thanks for giving it a look. I'll get to your script when I can, still have another script to finish before I get to yours.


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pg 1 - "Red mist resonates in the air." -- Can the red mist of blood escaping the body really resonate? I mean yes one of the definitions of resonate is to be filled with but, is this the right word for what you want to convey? Just how much blood came out of this guys melon?


I felt resonate was appropriate... in the way that morning due mist resonates in the air.


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"The bridge above: WINSTON leans over the ledge. Waves his arms. Merely a silhouette. His identity indiscernible." -- Who's Winston? No description, no context...is this on purpose?


There is no description because his identity is indiscernible. In the next flashback where we see his face, I then describe him.


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pg 3 - "Early erupts into sudden tears." -- I think that "erupts" implies that the tears are sudden.


Yeah, fixed this in a more recent draft.


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pg 12 - After the slugline: EXT. UPPER WEST SIDE (MANHATTAN) - LATER "A city setting." -- The slugline implies that it is a city setting.


I can't assume everybody knows what the Upper West side of Manhattan looks like. Perhaps "urban setting" should have been used.


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pg 17 - ELEVATOR  "Early leans his back against the wall and breathes heavily. On the brink of a panic attack. In tears. The doors slide shut." -- A little confusing. Usually the doors open before someone exits the elevator.


Early has just boarded the elevator. The SLUG is ELEVATOR, so he's inside. Then the doors close. And then we cut to LOBBY where he exits. No need to show all the stuff in between (him going down to bottom floor, doors opening, him leaving the elevator). I suppose I could have been more clear.


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pg 25 - EARLY: I mean, I don’t enjoy it, but I don’t mind. It’s everybody else who doesn’t like talking about it. -- He just said he likes talking about it? Don't know many people that like something they don't enjoy.


He realizes what he just said sounds odd, so he kind of rewords it (Agony said it was weird in the dialogue in between).


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pg 27 -- The exchange here between Early and Agony feels a little forced. Not sure how I would fix it though. I know you need to drive the story forward and him watching is where you're headed, but still....feels forced. Like she's a little too accepting of this nutball in a hospital gown.


It's all part of the world I wanted to create -- a dreamlike feel to it, where everything seems amiss (ala David Lynch, Nic Refn or David Cronenberg). I wanted to bend reality a little bit, make things surreal. And she's not exactly normal either. Match made in heaven!

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the dominatrix, hope I didn't bring back any deep-seeded rage, haha. But I'm glad that you thought it was very good (up to where you read).

Thanks for taking the time to check it out and thanks for the compliments, bro!

-- Michael


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No bad memories. And like I said, very well written. Do you have any other work I could read?
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Not really... I do have a script called Machine Gun Symphony in the action/adventure section, but it was posted 4 years ago... not my finest work in my mind, though it got good reviews (Script of the month on Zoetrope)... my writing has changed a lot since then. I'm more economic with my word usage now.


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As soon as you have something else ready please message me. I'd love to read it.
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UofOStudent, you should really try to finish reading Morphine.  You say you have a slight bias on the subject and that's why you stopped at page 35.  Yet, you name more positive than negative about the script -- "1) it's very good (2) writing style is impressive (3) very lean and clean (4) style is solid (5) technical skills are on the money."  When Mike said he didn't wish to bring back any deep-seeded rage, you replied with "no bad memories."  Then why not continue on with the story?  

By that reasoning of yours, there should be a lot of scripts on this site that you'll stop reading then because of some detail to story.  I'm not trying to get on your back in a negative way, I'm just disappointed you stopped reading because of such a reason.  Morphine is a whole bunch of things rolled up into one-- cute, violent, dark, emotionally-gripping-- and it's a very satisfying read.  Give it another shot in its entirety.
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Just because we differ on the definition of bad isn't a reason to read something I know I won't enjoy, solely because of an experience from my personal life. I do have a "slight" bias. One that I think would skew my perception of the script and Michael deserves better than that...hence the reason that I'm reading Machine Gun Symphony and why I asked Michael for other scripts to read. Just because a memory isn't "bad" or doesn't bring back any deep-seeded rage doesn't mean I necessarily want to relive it. Do the memories annoy the shit out of me? Hell yes they do. I used the word slight because I'm trying to be PC, in case someone here on SS is a part of that particular lifestyle.
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Hi Michael.

Finished this as promised. Wow, very dark and gritty. I understand you have been through some tough times in your personal life, and I guess it is evoked in your writing.

The subject matter wasnt too my liking, as per our PM. But you certainly drew me into this strange world and haunted characters.

Your staccato style of action lines seem to diminish mid script and made for a cleaner read( to me anyway).

I liked the ending, there seemed to be  a resolution - well, a type of resolution for these 'doomed' people. The formatting was pretty good, and it was a quick read, despite the pain of the storyline.

I'm not one for copious notes and picking out tiny things ( I leave that for those who wanna do at, lol). You have a finely crafted script here mate.

Sometimes I 'envy' writers who can produce this kind of script using this subject matter. Although I pride myself on my writing talent, I could never write something like this in a million years, lol.
I guess you have the life experience man, that can bring this out of you.

Good luck with this! And thanks for reading FH!

Cheers bro, stevie



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I got to about page forty when I stopped.  I just didn't feel anything (pun intended) for the story or the characters.  Maybe if Early and Agony got together at the beginning, it would've been different.  They don't meet until the story is one quarter over.

I did like Winston's story from what I've read.  Bad guy gets punished for helping someone out (in a twisted sense).

How about, if you were to do another rewrite, starting the story with Early and Agony's relationship already under way.  You can always flashback to their beginning if you had to.


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Hey Michael,

Nice story man.  I like how you give background to Early in order to set the main story up. I’m gonna cover the first half tonight and get back to you with the rest of my notes in a couple of days.

Over all, I like this. It’s gritty, dark and pretty fuckeng raw. I for one have never tasted dog shit…

But I was dared once to. Instead, I opted for the tampon teabag.

I should’ve gone with the dog shite…


Notes,
I like the frustrated way Early handles his shortcoming. Banging his head to try and feel something. Almost like being a cutter for attention.

On page 13, when Early steps into Central park, why was he overwhelmed? Was it because he had just argued with his mom?

This is a nitpick thing but when you have Early hit by the car, you still technically have him on the curbside.

STREET CORNER
Early steps off the curd to cross the street

MIDDLE OF STREET
His eyes still on the STREET PERFORMER

A “DON’T WALK” sign blinks across the street.
Early turns ahead just as WHAM! A car slams into him.

Like I said its nitpicky. Just a thought…

The double use of the FLASHBACK on page 13, can be eliminated by simply taking the FLASKBACK from the scene set up for the PIANIO ROOM.

The way I’ve always used them is to
BEGIN FLASHBACK:

As a scene transition

Then to the slug line.

And
END FLASHBASK (OR) RETURN TO SCENE

And the scene slugline.

I’m at page 27 and you’re gonna hate me for saying this.

You could almost start this story off when him and Agony and use through those flashback’s the story about his youth peppered about the story. Almost like you are doing now but not even start with him young at all. Start him off in the hospital, waking up and then piece his youth and the situations in as it goes from there.

Told you, you’d hate me.

Just kidding on the hate vibe. I guess it’s because this is where the story really hooks me and pulls me in. The first part is great, but the chemistry you have right off the bat between Agony and Early is tight.

Btw…her depravity is sexy as fuck!

I’d pay her.

The scene where she zaps his testies, was priceless brother.

I could almost hear muskrat love playing…

The scene where Winston is at the Gas station…

I think you should rethink how that goes down. It doesn’t ring true that tow guys would aim at each other and shoot each other while Winston simply ducks. It’s too convenient. Maybe have Winston take the cashiers gun and shoot the GUY with it of something.

But I can see now why you have the start of the script like it is. Weaving Winston back in on page 39. Nicely done man.

Taaabbbaaaattthhhiiiaaaaaa

Ha! I loved that.

On 45 the dialog seems a little clunky.

AGONY
So how come you’re not out
gallivanting like the rest of these
rapscallions?


Doesn’t sound like her. More like…

AGONY
Why the fuck aren’t you out making an asshole
Outa yourself like the rest of these little fuckers?


You also have her saying…

It’s your birthday…

It’s still his birthday? I thought that was a while back, while he was in the hospital.

I might have missed something.

On page 47, Winston is at a strip bar. Is he out of prison? Or was this supposed to be a flashback?

I don’t remember seeing where he was released.

I love the fight scene between Nathan and Early. I’m not sure about Nathan dragging his face down the bar. It seemed kinda like a western bar fight move. I would also maybe have Early right behind Nathan when he hits him with the bottle. If Nathan is holding a gun, and Early is 10 feet away, what’s to stop him from shooting Early. Just a thought.

The fight itself was great and very very visual. I liked it a lot.

Here’s where I’m at so far in the story.

I like Winston although I haven’t really gotten a complete picture of him and I feel by now I should have. He is such an important part of Early’s life that I feel that the full picture should be here by page 60.

I really enjoy Early and Agony but it feels rushed. Like I alluded toearly in my notes, It really seems that this story should start with them and then their tale can be drawn aout a bit more over the course of the story rather than have them get together and suddenly create this strong bond as they did in (I guess) one night.

I really dig the S & M scenes and your dialog is clean and quick with only a few bumps where I find them explaining the world and the jargon like the safe word. I understood the situation and what was going on but I do suppose you need to explain it to those who may not get what things like that are. Tough call.

I’ve finished the script and will get more notes to you over the next couple of days. It’s just been a very busy couple of days for me.

I will tell you this…

I liked this a lot.  

I’ll get more notes over to you when I have some more time.

Take care brother.

I’m glad to see your work getting so much well deserved attention.

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Hey Stevie, thanks for the comments, brother, appreciate it. Yeah, I suppose the script does reflect a lot of hard times recently, but I've done well getting out of the hole thanks to writing. I'm just about finished with Fort Hell, will get to it shortly.

Hey Phil, I thought about that originally... the strongest point of the script is the Early/Agony relationship, but with the way the story unfolds, it doesn't quite mesh well -- everything comes full circle, and introducing Agony too early throws the story out of whack, I feel.

I haven't really received a flat out negative review of the script, though having the reader stop 30-50 pages in isn't a great thing (I think I've had 4 readers back out) -- the reception I've been receiving is either luke warm or very positive... I knew the kind of script I wanted to write and I knew I was going to bend a few "rules" with structure and plot -- introducing the second lead 15-20 pages in, which is also around where the inciting incident is placed (I was a big fan of the Silver Linings Playbook script and they kind of did the same thing with Jennifer Lawrence's character) -- and I knew it wasn't going to be for everybody. My intention was to create a stream of consciousness, dream like tale... an indie kind of feel to it.

I knew that I had something different here, but I'm surprised by the attention the script has received.

Surprisingly, Winston was the character most readers (consensus opinion pretty much) didn't care for. A lot of suggestions wanted him out of the story completely.

But thanks for getting as far as you did, Phil, any time your advice is offered, it's always worth taking into consideration.

-- Michael


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Hi Michael, I have read the script and added some notes below along with a review.  

Page 2 - They exude a warmth and kindness.  I think this would work better, They exude warmth and kindness.  No need for the A.

Page 3 - Specialist dialogue:  Recurrent high fevers and sometimes seizures.  It would work better as recurring.  

Page 15 - Early limps to her curious.  Might work better if you add a comma after “her”.  Early limps to her, curious.

Page 16 - She cocks an eye at him perplexed.  Same with the prior, She cocks an eye at him, perplexed.

Page 25 - Agony pretends to checks her phone, should be, Agony pretends to check her phone.

Page 45 - Agony dialogue has NUMBERS referencing 18.  Not a problem for me, I have just been told dialogue usually neglects numbers.

Page 47 - The moment last forever, should be, The moment lasts forever.

Page 54 - Early comes follows in after Agony.  Should be, Early follows in after Agony.

Page 63 - They flash past several tunnel light, should be, They flash past several tunnel lights.

Page 67 - Agony dialogue:  I wish I can go back in time, should be, I wish I could go back in time.

Page 83 - DOCTORS and NURSE, is there more than one Nurse?  If so, this should be DOCTORS and NURSES.

Page 86 - Steven shouts are muffled, should be, Steven’s shouts are muffled.

Page 88 - A sliver fishing boat, is later mentioned as a silver fishing boat.  Might want to change that.

Page 88 - Winston dialogue:  I shoulda let your drown, should be, I shoulda let you drown.

Page 90 - Smoke rising from it’s barrel, should be, Smoke rising from its barrel.

And done.

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This was... to me at least, a very disturbing tale.  I appreciate the depth you went to here and understood most things.

The characters were great and developed well.  Agony and Early’s relationship was fantastic, reminded me of Leaving Las Vegas in a way, but instead of a Hooker helping a Drunk die, it was a Dominatrix and a kid who couldn’t feel pain.

It was graphic in most parts and it definitely has a dark tone to it.  Rape, being one of the big issues this story deals with.

I read this in one sitting.  Start to finish, no breaks.  I do expect some might not understand the story, I found myself lost once or twice but by the end I somewhat understood what was going on.

Only a few errors with spelling and such, nothing too severe, but I mentioned everything I found.

It hooked me from start to finish.

This was an impressive, visual script.  A bit disturbing in some parts, but otherwise very good.  

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Over all, I like this. It’s gritty, dark and pretty fuckeng raw. I for one have never tasted dog s***…

But I was dared once to. Instead, I opted for the tampon teabag.

I should’ve gone with the dog shite…


Ha! The age old question: the tampon or the dog shit? If I had a nickel...


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I’m at page 27 and you’re gonna hate me for saying this.

You could almost start this story off when him and Agony and use through those flashback’s the story about his youth peppered about the story. Almost like you are doing now but not even start with him young at all. Start him off in the hospital, waking up and then piece his youth and the situations in as it goes from there.

Told you, you’d hate me.

Just kidding on the hate vibe. I guess it’s because this is where the story really hooks me and pulls me in. The first part is great, but the chemistry you have right off the bat between Agony and Early is tight.


I don't hate you. CUT TO: Me throwing you through a plate glass door ala Happy Gilmore... haha just kidding. You answer your doubts for me later in the critique.


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Taaabbbaaaattthhhiiiaaaaaa

Ha! I loved that.


If it gets produced, I'm hoping that catches on, haha. I thought about having his safe word being Kelly Clarkson


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It’s still his birthday? I thought that was a while back, while he was in the hospital.

I might have missed something.


It all takes place in one day/night.


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AGONY
So how come you’re not out
gallivanting like the rest of these
rapscallions?


It was her feigning a civilized tone to the dialogue. I can see how it may not fit her character.


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On page 47, Winston is at a strip bar. Is he out of prison? Or was this supposed to be a flashback?


Yeah, he's out of prison. There's a scene earlier where Early looks for him at a porn shop.


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I liked this a lot.  

I’ll get more notes over to you when I have some more time.

Take care brother.

I’m glad to see your work getting so much well deserved attention.


Thanks dude, appreciate it. Your notes are a big help -- every bit of criticism that has been offered up to this point is very helpful. I know it takes time to read a feature, so thanks to all for sacrificing

-- Michael


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Thanks, Lee for taking the time to read and comment, appreciate it. Got a lot on my plate and a few other scripts to check out, but I will eventually get to Outbreak Z when I get the chance.

Your notes were extremely helpful, especially with the typos... you just saved me a lot of time! But either way, I still have to comb through the whole thing again.


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Page 45 - Agony dialogue has NUMBERS referencing 18.  Not a problem for me, I have just been told dialogue usually neglects numbers.


I should have just spelled it out in the dialogue, my mistake, thanks for pointing that out. Only numbers that should be used in dialogue (according to Syd Field) are phone numbers or longer numbers. In action, it's similar to journalism rules... anything under 10 is written out... 10 and over just write the number.


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This was... to me at least, a very disturbing tale.  I appreciate the depth you went to here and understood most things.


Yeah, not for everybody, but that's what I went with. And thanks!


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The characters were great and developed well.  Agony and Early’s relationship was fantastic, reminded me of Leaving Las Vegas in a way, but instead of a Hooker helping a Drunk die, it was a Dominatrix and a kid who couldn’t feel pain.


Yes... I actually think it was more similar in the structure of that film. Stream of consciousness kind of feel to it.


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This was an impressive, visual script.  A bit disturbing in some parts, but otherwise very good.


Thanks Lee, very helpful. And I WILL get to one of your scripts as soon as I can...

-- Michael


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Hey Michael,

I finished this last night.  Really enjoyed it.  Wrote my notes/thoughts as I went along.  But the internet in my place fucked up yesterday and still isn't fixed, so I couldn't get online.

I'm sitting in hell... or no wait, sorry.  I think this is a school.  Yes, I'm in school.  I saved my notes onto my pendrive and planned to post my notes online during my free periods but I forgot to lift it this morning.

Will have my thoughts to you soon!  Just know, I enjoyed it.  Possibly my favourite feature I have ever read on SS.  I really hope this gets made.  It would be so amazing onscreen.  

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Thanks, Curt, glad you enjoyed it as much as you did!

Looking forward to your notes...

-- Michael


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Hello Michael,

I haven't read anything of yours before. Interesting logline and finally a Drama that's getting attention!

Just started reading - I haven't read any of the comments here, or I may be a little premature, as this may become clear as the script progresses, but if Tina was 30, when Early was 4, she's now 44 and pregnant? Seems odd . . .

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It's not impossible. And I don't really think it's THAT uncommon either. My stepmother had my sister when she was 43. It happens.

If you think that's odd, wait till you get further in. Because if a 44 year old pregnant woman forces you to suspend your disbelief, you're definitely not going to like this script, haha.

It's a dark, surreal drama. Kind of like a dream-like fairy tale in a way. There's plenty more that would probably make you scratch your head.

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Well, if a 70 year old woman in India can give birth, it's certainly not impossible for a 44 year old! . . .

It wouldn't be something to make me suspend my disbelief, but given current fertility and conception rates, the higher risk of  congenital disorders etc as age rises, it's certainly not the norm. Anyway, just something I notes as I was reading .  . .

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Cool beans... all comments are appreciated, positive or negative... Carson's reviewing this tomorrow on Script Shadow so don't be afraid to rip into it

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The phrase 'falls to tears' - is over used

I'm not really given to phrases like 'honey' - they seem too cliche to me - maybe consider  something more unique that adds a little more realism to both the characters and dialouge.

What triggers the emotionally outburst from Early at the dinner table? While I understand that he can't feel pain, he's not emotionally immature or a psycho? His parasympathetic sexual development is in tone with his physical condition, but this seems out of place, to me.

PG 16
EARLY
Why is everybody dressed up for? - What vs why?

PG 17 - I'm wondering if there is supposed to be a link between what Steven says here and the way Early's father treated him? If so, from the preceeding flashback, there is no 'link' word, that seem s to trigger this reaction.


The exchange between Early and Agony pg 23-25 conflict - less questions and aswers

A line of dialouge VO used to nicely to link scenes together.

PG 34 - While Early may not be able to feel the pain of a stun gun, 10,000V will most certainly cause local muscular overload and stun or knock him out like a normal person - but I'll suspend the disbelief for the sake of effect.

but Nathan easily shakes him off.
But Early keeps ? forward. PG 49

Too many mental patient references! - each character should have their own take on Early's appeance in tone with their character - maybe Melinda calls him Greys Anatomy becauce she watches the show?

There's a big shift in direction when Agony now becomes the focus of the story. The story doesn't really live up to the logline when the small B story, Agony's past, is suddenly shifted into focus.

What happens to Early and his need to connect? Stake Goal Urgency

The dialouge seems, to me, to focus too heavily on questions asked by Early followed by answers from Agony. . .

Storywise - I think the two separate threads, Winston and Agony need to be pulled together. At times, I'm divided on Winston's arc - doesn't really add anything to advance the story, but I see the need for a resolution for this character. If, he was connected to Agony and her past in some way, it could lend to some interesting conflict?

Someone had to save Winston and this again brings us back to the water for a climax.

PG 70 - Chinatown eat your heart out.

This is definitely a very interesting read - would prob make for a great indie hit, if it was shot correctly.

Maybe the ending should hang on a knife edge - is Early dead or not!? The tone of this screams for an ending like that in my opinion and would certainly be a hook for a producer and a talking point about the film.

Overall, I found this enjoyable.

Best of luck with the Scriptshadow review.

Kind regards,

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Hey Eoin,

Thanks for taking the time to read and comment, man. Appreciate it.


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The phrase 'falls to tears' - is over used


Yeah, I went through in a more recent draft and mixed it up a bit.


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What triggers the emotionally outburst from Early at the dinner table? While I understand that he can't feel pain, he's not emotionally immature or a psycho? His parasympathetic sexual development is in tone with his physical condition, but this seems out of place, to me.


I did a lot of research on this disease and disorders similar to it. What intrigued me was the pattern of erratic behavior - emotional instability. Common in a lot of cases. Just the slightest feeling of discomfort and irritation (mentally) can set them off at any given moment. Sure, the way they are raised is a contributing factor, but in a lot of cases, behavior can be an issue. Physically, during adolescence, development is a bit different from the way most people develop - a lot of the times, it's due to self mutilation. Other times, it's just due to lack of exercise - the body seems to be misshapen in a few cases. But around adulthood, the body's development become more normal.

And Early's birthday isn't a great day for him. His mother died giving birth to him. His father tried to drown Early (resenting him for his mother's death) and then committed suicide in front of him. Now his adopted father is dying, meanwhile, Tina is pregnant - a lot of stuff to think about on your 18th birthday. He questions his purpose and in a way resents himself - he takes a bulk of the blame. And the sight of the birthday cake, along with everything else, triggers a sudden rage. Erratic.


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PG 17 - I'm wondering if there is supposed to be a link between what Steven says here and the way Early's father treated him? If so, from the preceeding flashback, there is no 'link' word, that seem s to trigger this reaction.


It's a very subtle link. Didn't want to be too obvious.


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The exchange between Early and Agony pg 23-25 conflict - less questions and answers.


Early grew up sheltered, so he's naturally curious. You know how a 5 year old will ask you questions constantly? That's what this is. He's never really fully developed socially. And now that he is engaging with another person that is not his adopted parents, he lets the questions fly. And he's being asked questions back - this excites him. He comes across odd, which kind of makes Agony curious. She's not exactly normal either. She's not fully developed socially either, but in a different way. A childhood filled with sexual abuse, she wasn't allowed to be a child, so now that she is away from that, that curious child in her kind of comes out.


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Too many mental patient references! - each character should have their own take on Early's appeance in tone with their character - maybe Melinda calls him Greys Anatomy becauce she watches the show?


It was kind of a gag, really. Like in Forest Gump - Are you stupid or something?


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The dialouge seems, to me, to focus too heavily on questions asked by Early followed by answers from Agony...


Again, Early's curiosity... imagine being sheltered all of your life and then being introduced to this world... I'd be asking questions.


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Storywise - I think the two separate threads, Winston and Agony need to be pulled together. At times, I'm divided on Winston's arc - doesn't really add anything to advance the story, but I see the need for a resolution for this character. If, he was connected to Agony and her past in some way, it could lend to some interesting conflict?


I thought about this often, but it just felt too... neat. Too... easy. Something like that would feel expected and too paint-by-the-numbers IMO. I thought of a dozen different ways to connect Winston to Agony... but I kept getting the sense that it would be too perfect that way.


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Maybe the ending should hang on a knife edge - is Early dead or not!? The tone of this screams for an ending like that in my opinion and would certainly be a hook for a producer and a talking point about the film.


Yeah... I like endings like that, but lately, it seems to be happening a lot in things I see, TV and film... you have the Sopranos, which I thought was brilliant at the time... but then kind of the same thing with Sideways... The Wrestler... the list goes on. Yeah, maybe it would be a hook for a producer, but then again, maybe not. May as well keep it honest with the vision I had.

And the version that was recommended to Script Shadow was completely different... Agony dies in that version, which I thought made for a more provocative ending.

Thanks again for your thoughts, all of your suggestions will be taken into consideration. Glad you enjoyed it!

-- Michael


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Hey Michael,

Good luck with the upcoming Scriptshadow review – thought I’d seen the script on the SS portal. Hopefully it will lead on to bigger things.

Best of luck with it, mate.

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Thanks Steve (a lot of Steve's and Mike's on here haha)... got a lot of friends down there in Oz, much respect!


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Good luck with the upcoming Scriptshadow review


I was hoping to have my comments up before Carson puts his up. I'm on page 46, but I'm not 100% sure I can finish today. I did notice this on the ScriptShadow review today though,  

"What I learned: Flashbacks are tough. There are certain things they can add – like giving us key backstory on a character, but what you lose through using them is often more than what you gain. The biggest downside to their use is that they slow your story to a crawl. The reason this is an issue is that the vast majority of scripts out there move too slow. To STOP the story so you can GO BACKWARDS is basically like saying to your audience, “You can go to sleep now.” I’m not saying you should never use flashbacks. What I’m saying is that because they usually do more bad than good, you should seriously weigh your options before including them and make sure you believe that there’s no other way to tell your story.".

I hope he won't mind you having quite a few flshbacks in yours...  


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I know, I read the review for After Earth and a panic hit me like a bucket of water... from people who know Carson well, it's likely that he'll bring that up... whether he perceives them as a negative in this story is up in the air... he probably will, but we'll see.

The version on script shadow has a different ending than the one posted here (the original ending) but I made sure to clean up a lot of things, get rid of all the orphans, etc.

I did notice a typo on the first page, which we all know is NOT good... but the rest seems to be pretty clean.

Crossing my fingers... and thank you, Pia, for taking the time to read as far as you have, totally understandable if you can't get to it...

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I am on page 50 now, so we'll see.  

I saw your comment earlier about the ending being different at ScriptShadow than the one posted here so I downloaded the one Carson will review. My comments will maybe not make sense to some people here that have read your script, but that would be the reason.


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Cool... it was a different ending because it was the one recommended to Carson, so I didn't want to change things too much... and it was on very short notice, didn't really have much time to think it through. But yeah, the ending is VERY different.

Thanks Pia!


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Speshk...

I took a look at this about two weeks. I struggled with the piece.  At first i didn't know why, then it dawned on me...?

What was your thinking behind that scene where AGONY smashed the bottle over his head? Becasue it was shortly after this scene that I finally decided to bail... around page thirty-five.  It felt more like a dark comedy, but it's not.  It's a dark drama.  Now if this were a dark comedy... I would not have had a problem with that scene.  But Agony hitting him with that bottle, it just felt a bit out of place... way, way over the top.  I mean page #27, she has a pocket knife... why not just use that device instead.  If it were me, i probably would have had Agony.. just spitballing here... maybe cut him somewhere -- the hand, maybe his palm, ect...

...I just felt something like this would have worked better.  Then again maybe I'm missing something with that scene.  But it's not mine, it's yours... maybe thats what you was going for, if so... fair enough.
  
I had a bunch of notes, but decided not to post them.  Instead, I'll just give you my overall concern...
...If story is the backbone of your script, then, TONE is the heartbeat.  I only read to about page thrity-five and I hate to base my assumptions off these pages alone... so i will not go as far to say it suffers from an identity crisis...

...but beware that sometimes the wrong tone can ruin a story.  It can take a great concept or in your case... (a very interesting one) and screw it up.  Not that this is screwed up by any means, but yours seemed to switch tones... again when we first meet Agony.  That scene almost feels like a comedy... atleast that's the way it felt to me.  Contrary to popular belief... audiances are not tone-deaf,  they will sniff out a film that doesn’t know what it wants to be.

So, all I'll say, make sure you watch the tone... make sure it matches the subject matter...  a caveat, this is JMHO.  So take it for what it's worth. Most will probably enjoy this.

...other than that, congrats on getting Carson to review your script.

I hope all goes well... and If it does... it will not be because he reviewed it, but for the quality of the writer's work.

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Thanks Ghostie, appreciate it, man. Will definitely take your thoughts into consideration.

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What was your thinking behind that scene where AGONY smashed the bottle over his head? Because it was shortly after this scene that I finally decided to bail... around page thirty-five.  It felt more like a dark comedy, but it's not.  It's a dark drama.  Now if this were a dark comedy... I would not have had a problem with that scene.  But Agony hitting him with that bottle, it just felt a bit out of place...


I know it's not my place to interject...

But I'm gonna simply to say what I saw in this scene.

And if I'm wrong, Michael, you tell me.

Agony took great delight in inflicting pain. She loved to take it to new levels. This, to me was a moment where Early actually had someone who was really willing to test him. I mean really test him. She wasn't interested in cracking a whip. It needed to be over the top.

Kinda like...let's try out this bullet proof vest.

It will either work or it won’t.

This was a girl used to inflicting great amounts of pain. She didn't want to waste time building up to a safe word.

Neither did he…

They both had something to prove.

In fact, after this was when they began to bond in some ways.

I thought it was pivotal.

But I digress...

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I know it's not my place to interject...


But since you did...


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But I digress...


Well, you certainly aren't the first, and almost certainly you will not be the last.

Sreenwriting is very suggestive... there's more than one way to skin a cat.  And I hate quoting myself, but... I'm pretty sure I mentioned somewhere in my review...

...if Michael's intentions were for that particular scene to be over-the-top, then fair enough...

And hopefully it works.

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Quoted from Ledbetter


I know it's not my place to interject...

But I'm gonna simply to say what I saw in this scene.

And if I'm wrong, Michael, you tell me.

Agony took great delight in inflicting pain. She loved to take it to new levels. This, to me was a moment where Early actually had someone who was really willing to test him. I mean really test him. She wasn't interested in cracking a whip. It needed to be over the top.

Kinda like...let's try out this bullet proof vest.

It will either work or it won’t.

This was a girl used to inflicting great amounts of pain. She didn't want to waste time building up to a safe word.

Neither did he…

They both had something to prove.

In fact, after this was when they began to bond in some ways.

I thought it was pivotal.

But I digress...

Shawn.....><



This is exactly how I understood the bottle scene, too.

Curt


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Curt and Shawn... yeah, that's exactly how the scene was intended. I know it was over the top, but the script itself is kind of over the top, so I thought it fit. Sure, there was a bit of humor to it, but I don't think it came across as slapstick IMO... thought it fit the tone. But that's just my opinion. There's much to be open for interpretation, as is the case with a lot of films/scripts/books. Guess it all depends on the audience member/reader.

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I'm typing up my comments right now, but had to jump in and say something here about Agony. Maybe I misenterpreted her completely, but she is not a sadist at all. That is a role she plays to earn money. She does not get any sexual satisfaction whatsoever by inflicting pain on others. Am I wrong?


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There is some perversity behind her inflicting pain on others... she does enjoy it. All goes back to her upbringing... sort of a sense of power.


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I guess my interpretation of Agony was wrong. I would have liked to see her be the way I thought though. IMHO, that makes her more likable and vulnerable. No one really wants to cheer on a sadist, if you know what I mean.

I thought this story was a little slow going in the beginning and it didn't really kick in until Agony showed up.

I liked Early and I guess that's one reason I did not want him to end up with a real sadist. Tina wasn't that likable to me. As a mother she seemed sort of weak. When Early says something about her being happy about the new baby and loving it more, I thought, spot on. Maybe that's what you were going for. Winston didn't really work for me either. At first I couldn't figure out why he was such a big part of the story. Then it turns out he wants to hurt Early for not acknowledging him, I felt he was an idiot and I didn't like him at all. IMO, if you save a little kid from drowning, you should be proud of yourself, not wanting revenge when he turns 18 for not returning mail. I had a hard time believing he would hold this grudge for 13 years on a kid. Just go on. You're out of jail. Start over.

The over all story works. You have two outcasts finding each other and they sort of ride off into the sunset in the end. The ending was good btw. The only thing about this script was that it felt depressing. There was no sense of hope really. That was why I never liked 8MM. It wasn't the subject matter, I've written some disturbing pieces myself, it was the lack of hope.

The following are just thoughts and questions while I read and are in no way meant to sound negative.  It will be interesting to see what Carson thinks about it.

Cheers! Pia

Page 1.   Strong start on the first page. My only quip was "The HAPPY BIRTHDAY song is sung off key. Who's singing? On the radio? Just b/g sound?

Page 2.   I see…  

How old is Early here at the dinner table? Surely it's not the same day as when he almost drowned. Easy to stick a numbered candle on the cake.

Nice transitions.

Page 4.   Early wears a helmet and mouth guard on the swings? Reason I'm asking is because the way the playground scene comes off right now is that it happened in the past. Before the doc told her what was wrong with him. If that is a transition into the future then I was confused.

Page 5.   I still have no idea how old Early is here…

Page 6.   Finally we find out that the almost drowning was in the past and not something this is leading up to, but I still would like to know how old Early is now.

Page 9.   INT.  BEDROOM - LATER.   Where are we now? At the hospital? Someone's house? I'm sure I'll find out as I read along, but it wouldn't hurt to tell us the exact location in the slugs.

Page 12.  Another thing that's vague in your slugs is the TIME. You use MOMENTS LATER, LATER and CONTINUOUS, but don't tell us if it's DAY or NIGHT. We go from BATHROOM - DAY to HOSPITAL ROOM - LATER to HOSPITAL ELEVATOR to INT. BEDROOM - LATER to INT. DINNER TABLE - MOMENTS LATER to EXT. UPPER WEST SIDE - LATER. There is no time reference in hardly any of your slugs. This is a bit confusing actually and something you might want to address. Just my opinion of course, but…

Page 17.  A little hard to believe Steven who was inside the car would be more banged up than Early.

Steven should be a little more careful, IMHO. In real life, he would probably be pissed, but he would also worry about lawsuits. He hit Early after all, a pedestrian. That's a lawyer's dream case…

Page 18.  Is Early still in the hospital gown? It would appear so since he is also barefoot.

Page 20.  I'm not so sure I buy Early calling a number he found on a bathroom wall in a bar. Sure, we've been introduced to the issues with his pain, mental and physical, but somehow, this doesn't seem to fit. It makes him look really stupid, IMHO. Actually, quite a few things he's done so far make him look like he's not that bright.

Page 25.  Like the dialogue between Early and Agony.

Page 27.  I cringed a little at the line, "Are you some kind of psycho murderer or something?". That didn't feel right and it sounded dumb, IMHO.

Page 32.  I'm still wondering if Early is wearing the hospital gown…

Page 40.  After having read the scenes with Winston at the gas station and then saving Early, one thought comes to my mind, why did Early never open the birthday cards from Winston?

Page 42. Is Early still in his hospital gown? I'm only asking because you haven't mentioning him changing yet and I have a hard time picturing him still in that gown. Hopefully, he at least have underwear on.  

Page 45.  It's still his birthday? Long night…and the bars are still open.

Page 47.  She places his hand on his waist?

I'm wondering why Winston gets so much time in this script. Maybe there will be a reason later on, but to me it seems like he's in it for not enough reason. I know he saved Early fourteen years ago and he sent Early birthday cards and Tina made Early go visit him in prison once, but that's not enough of a reason for him to have his own storyline, IMHO. I wish we could spend more time with Early and Agony instead.

Page 49.  Nice fight.

Page 50.  Early might not feel pain, but to charge a guy with a gun is sort of reckless. I mean, just because he can't feel any pain doesn't mean he doesn't understand he can get injured or shot, right. Two separate issues.

I'm having a little bit of a hard time believing this guy who looks younger than 18, being a shy home schooled guy taking on and winning against the "bad ass" 30 year old Nathan while wearing only a hospital gown, no less.

Page 53.  I'm intrigued by what is going on here.

Page 54.  Typo -- Early comes follows

Some of these names are starting to sound weird to me. Early, Agony and Lovely. If she's Agony's daughter, it would have been nice if she gave the kid a more normal name to show that she wishes she and her life were not so fucked up.

Page 58.  Tina says to Winston, "a little late, Winston, don't you think?". I know I keep going on about this, but there has been a LOT of things going on this night. A LOT has transpired which makes me wonder just how late is this? IMHO, I think it would be better if you split it up over several nights because I don't see how there could have been enough time for all this to happen in just one night.

Page 64.  If Nathan is her brother, why would he hit her and tell her she can't leave? And why wouldn't Agony have tried to stop Early earlier when he was attacking Nathan?

Page 66.  I'm having some issues with Winston here. I realize he was put in prison erroneously for thirteen years, but Early was a four year old little child! What the hell does he expect from him. Right now I'm thinking he's a total ass. If that's what you wanted me to feel, then good. If not…

Page 72.  I just entered a script to Scream Craft titled "Scream For Me".  

Page 74.  I think the hospital staff would definitely know that a patient had skipped the place. Especially since the nurse called security too.

Page 75.  All ready?

Page 77.  Messed up family, indeed.

Page 78. Quite a shootout in a little motel room and everyone still has their hearing working.

Page 80.  Now this must be really really late in the night and the liquor stores are still open? Maybe they have 24hr liquor stores in NYC? That's possible, but I still think this night is too long. Too many things have happened and I just don't see how they can all be fitted into one single night. Am I missing something?

Page 81.  I don't know what's in the box yet, but I really liked how the vagrant and the gift box came back into the script.

Page 84.  Where is Agony? In surgery?

Page 86.  Pretty powerful scene with Early and Steven.

I liked the ending. Good job. I would probably have had Winston try to take his own life by jumping into the water then have Early save him.





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Hey Michael, my good friend.  So, it was a long day on the day I read this.  Exam stress was killer.  When I got out of school, went to work, then got back from work, I remembered I had this downloaded and got stuck in!

So, here are my page by page notes.  Apologies if I repeat anything --

Firstly, I've been meaning to get to this for a very long time.  So, I was excited to get to reading.  Love the title, by the way.  

-- Not so sure about your opening slug.  "VIEW FROM A BRIDGE" -- is this really a slug?

-- You capitalize JOHN once when introducing him, then twice after that.  I was wondering if there was a reason for this?

Wow, love the opening scene.  Dramatic and disturbing and emotional.

Found the fact Early was wearing a mouth guard and helmet hilarious, gave me a giggle, I don't know if this was the intention but it did.  I think drama only works if there's a sprinkle of light-heartedness present somewhere.  Loved the fact Early was fascinated by the kid with the cut knee.

Jesus, the bloody finger-nails.  All this stuff.  He doesn't feel it.  I love this story already.  You have me hooked, man.

Liked the transition from Early underwater to his eighteen year old self at the sink.  Nicely done, I can see that beeing cool on camera.

I've noticed you sometimes tend to start off an action line without the character's name.  A few times, actually.  An example of this is when, say, FRED is speaking.  Then the next lines were: "Turns to Tina.  Touches her stomach." -- I don't know, this reads weird to me.  

If I were you, and remember this is just my opinion, I would include Fred's name.  "Fred turns to Tina..." et cetera.  I mean, including the name's, I highly doubt, will change the page-count majorly.

When Fred says: "Why does life go by so fast" -- loved it.  Liking all the dialogue so far.

Nice scene with Early in the elevator.

Nice foreshadowing early on with the piano.  Now, Early is playing one.

Page 11 -- wow, emotional shit.  So Early is adopted then?  Okay.

I think the "Dead! Dead! Dead!" was a little melodramatic.  I think one "Dead!" when referring to his real mother would suffice.

Page 11 still -- "Rises.  He hurries out.  DOOR SLAMS SHUT from OS..." reads real weird to me.  I'd suggest: "Early rises.  Hurries out.  OS the door SLAMS shut..." or something.  

Wow, I wasn't expecting a New York setting.  I recently went there in March, beautiful city, it was a Christmas present and Jesus one day I just want to bask there and live.  When I saw "UPPER EAST SIDE (MANHATTAN)" in the slug, I just got so excited.

I was in Central Park.  Gah!  Early is there.  I can imagine it so clearly.  It's so weird.

I've come to understand that your thing about starting action lines without the character's name must be a personal thing.  I writer's thing.  I'm kind of getting used to it.

JESUS.  Wow.  Was not expecting him to get hit by a car.  Okay, so far this story is fascinating and I'm visualizing it in my head as this great indie flick, and in my head it looks amazing.

I'm going to assume John is Early's birth father?  That's the vibe I'm getting.

You wrote: "Early opens the card... A check..." or something like that on page 15.  By "check" I'm assuming you mean a money "cheque" (?) -- or maybe that's how other countries outside the UK spell it, haha.

On page 15 you wrote "Early limps to her curious" and then a few lines later on a new page, you wrote "Early peeks into the room curious" -- just thought it was a little repetitive since they're so close together.  

LOVE the significance of the scene in the hospital with the girl and Steven and the pain and Early.  One thing that baffles me is how in the hell is the driver in a worse state than Early?  He was slammed by a car?  And the driver has worse injuries.  Maybe it's plausible.  Certainly, not impossible, just off and strange to me.

Like how your introduced Agony.

Page 22 -- oh my God this is hilarious.  "I'm constipated" -- Jesus, great line!

Ah!  He was born three months premature!  I was wondering why you called your main Early.  I know nobody with that name.  I thought it was interesting.  It's nice to know why he has that name now!

This entire scene in the diner reminds me of the scene with Jennifer Lawrence and Bradley Cooper in Silver Linings Playbook.  Not a bad thing, because I fucking love that movie to death.  Was wondering though if that's where the diner scene with Agony and Early was inspired from.  Or coincidence?

Page 25 -- "Agony pretends to checks her phone" should be "check her phone"...
Agony reminds me of a much more ruthless and amazing Tiffany from Silver Linings.  Man, I love her already.  Love all these characters.

Page 28 -- "Like fucking blueberries!" -- hahahahahaha.  I love this line.  Haven't got a single compaint about the dialogue so far.

So far, the "safe words" you've given Agony's (I'll call them "victims", lol) are hilarious.

Page 30 -- "You're kidding me, right?" seems too on the nose, regarding Agony.  I would drop the "right?"...

Page 31 -- when Agony says "You're lucky I don't cut your balls off right now and flush them shits down the toilet"... I don't get it.  Is shit meant to be straight or a different word?

The alley scene with Agony and Early!  I was hoping there'd be a scene where Agony tested Early's statement about him not being able to feel pain!

Though I loved the scene with the balls and the stun-gun, and thought it was amazingly well done... I still think it's a tad extreme.  I mean, I know he can't feel pain, but using a stun-gun on a guy's testicals is sure to cause permanent damage, no?  I dunno...

Like the revaltion about Early's mother dying giving birth.  Nicely done.  

Can't help but notice that on page 6 Tina says, "Everything.  It happens for a reason" and then Agony says it on page 37.  I likeeeee it!

I'm really liking the Winston side-story.  He's done someting bad, and I hope I find out why he's in jail.  Already though, I like the fact that's he'd been running from the police and saved Early's life.  He has a heart.  I like him.

Jesus Christ.  The scene on 40/41 with Tabitha-safe-word client was great.  I thought the scene on the train above East River was visually handled well. I imagine it well in my head.

Have you seen the movie Like Crazy?  That movie is a cool indie flick, and it looks amazing, has amazing cinematography.  In my head, I'm imagining "Morphine" would look like the way Like Crazy was filmed/looked on screen.

Page 44/45 -- drinking to Early's testicles?  Hilarious.  Genious.  I love this script.  Seriously.  Why didn't I read this sooner?!

I think at one point, when someone speaks you had it in the dialogue as "eighteen..." and then on 45 when Agony says it, it's written as, "You're 18..." -- It'd change it to the written form, not the numerical form, just for consistency within the screenplay.

Page 47 -- "The moment last forever"... should be "The moment lasts forever."

Wait, okay, Winston's out of jail.  Strip club?  Okay.

I loved how you handled the entire scene with Nathan, Early and Agony in the bar.  Pure emotion and craziness and, jesus, I loved it.

I'm going to assume Lovely is Agony's child.  I hope there's a reason she's given her child that name.  I'm not a fan, lol.  Wouldn't she want to give her a normal name to balance out the fact that she's got this weird name?

Page 57 -- my fucking heart.  What's going on?!  Is it "Daddy".  Seriously, shit isn't good.  This is so good.

Page 64 -- FUCK!  Um, hello?!  Can someone say revelation?!  Nathan is her brother.  Raped at 14.  I mean, I assumed she'd just fallen pregnant.  Wow.  The story is getting better.  This feels like such an emotional, indie drama.  You've got the vibe you're going for!

Page 64/65 -- and so the story thickens!  Raised stakes.  Poor Winston, POOR TINA?!  I love this scene already.

On page 69 -- "Nathan and Darko move aside to create a path..." -- then you go onto introduce DADDY.  I'd suggest splitting this up, because up until now formatting has been great and this is your first bit of action text to go over three lines.  It just jumped right out at me.  Just my opinion though.

Page 70 -- I knew it!  I knew it.  He's the father.

Random note here -- is there a reason "DADDY" is called "DADDY" and doesn't have a name?

Page 74 -- Winston asks about Early being missing.  It's only hitting me now -- is this a loophole?  I mean, if a hospital patient, who has been hit by a car and is eighteen, is in recovery and he escapes hospital would Tina not be contacted/informed?  

I mean, I recall someone getting security on his ass?

Page 75 -- when Daddy says "You think your hand hurts... I will shove this up your fucking cunt and blow apart your insides." -- I just find it pretty on the nose and overdramatic.  When people use the word "cunt" in a screenplay to refer to the actual part of a girl's body, I can never take it serious.  I would consider changing.

Page 75/76 -- WHAT?!  NO WAY?!  SHOCK TWIST!  Nathan is the dad?!  Jesus, not expected, at all!  Nice work on turning the story!

Although, straight after, the dialogue Daddy says about Nathan and protection to me comes off as very on the nose and unrealistic.

Also, during this scene, you need to mention DARKO a lot earlier.  The scene starts at the bottom of page 74 and Darko isn't mentioned once until the top of page 77.  I thought you'd forgotten about him.

I don't think you should SHOW the stumps that were Agony's fingers.  I'd maybe suggest having it covered up by a tie or cloth or something.

OHHHHHHHHHHH.  Early has her fingers.

Page 81 -- THE SUSPENSE!  What was in the gift box?!

Jesus Christ.  Talk about a way to end the night?!  Tina in labour?!

Not sure how to feel about the scene with Fred and Tina.  I like the idea of one life gone (Fred) and another brought into the world (Newborn) but it's been done to death, IMO (no pun intended).

Liked the scene with Steven and Early.

Finally, 88 -- he robbed banks.  Well, that's not so bad.  A life-saving, bank-robbing guy with serious issues.  I like him!

Okay, so I liked the ending.  Not loved it.  But I liked it, and thought it was a great ending considering that the lake was where it started, then where it ended.  I thought Winston was going to try and kill himself and Early would save him from the water.  It would have been even better considering the start.  

I thought some things were left empty.  I would have loved for Lovely and Melissa to make an appearance of some sort of got a mention.  I felt like they were in the screenplay for that one very tense and scary scene, then they vanish.  Melissa, Lovely and Tina all felt very one dimentional.

What to say overall though?  The story, the characters, everything was great.  I have little complaints.  But this definetley gave off the indie-vibe.  I imagined  itin my head.  I also would consider this the best feature I've read on SS to date.  I'm so happy I gave this a read!

So, have you had interest in this?  Is it getting picked up?  This deserves to be on the screen.  This would do so well at Tribeca and Sundance.  Michael, I applaud you.  I really, really enjoyed this.

Good luck my friend!  Hope Carson has good things to say!

-- Curt


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Thanks guys, for all of the comments. The review on Script Shadow -- of course, I would have liked to receive a better review, but I'm grateful for the exposure, I've received considerable interest in the script despite the review and the hilariously hateful comments on that scriptshadow discussion board, haha.

When writing Morphine, I knew it wasn't for everybody. And I kind of figured some people, especially other screenwriters, would be against the stream of consciousness structure (no real story, no real concrete goals for the protagonist, everything abstract). I guess this script was kind of my "Wild at Heart" -- one of the most consistent gripes about the script was the melodrama. The over-the-top aspects of the script were intended... I'm just surprised the script has been as well-received as it has (even with the harsher reviews).

I will comment on the recent reviews I've received here on simply scripts later in the day, really backed up with a lot of things right now. And I will get to the scripts I've promised to read and comment on eventually -- didn't forget about anybody!

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Review wasn't too bad.

He gave you a lot of credit as a writer, even if he thought the script was a bit of a mixed bag.

Nice one.
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Yeah, some interesting comments too.

One guy suggested making the story told from Agony's point of view, which is a little different.

And it was interesting to read that apparently bolding your slugs is the 'new standard' according to the reviewer who went through a few points showing that Michael knew what was doing, as opposed to this being a first effort.

Good luck with it man!



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There were interesting comments indeed, a lot of them helpful. The story being told from Agony's POV was interesting, though it's not one I'm really considering.

I think Carson offered the most helpful and constructive criticism, even though I disagree with a few comments here and there. But overall, he was very helpful.

But there were some comments on the discussion board that were kinda funny.

One of the comments said that they didn't buy the mother dying giving birth to the main character (they googled it and no results came up, thus it must be implausible, haha) -- later saying that the writer (me) was manipulating the reader/audience. Very odd. But I'm grateful to have received such a strong and passionate reaction, good or bad.

A few other comments, I got the impression that I ruined their life in some way by "forcing" them to start reading the script, haha. They were genuinely, down right offended, haha. Can't please everybody I guess...


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The bottle scene, as well as the taser, didn't sit well with me.  When you have anhidrosis (I looked it up), you don't feel pain, but you would suffer from your injuries.  And the taser would've taken him out most likely.

Did you actually refer to his condition as anhidrosis?  I don't recall it from what I've read.  If not, you should've; it plays a big role in the story.


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No, I never mention what the name of the disease is... there seems to be more than one "disorder" where the person can't feel pain. Yes, anhidrosis is one of them, but there is also congenital insensitivity to pain (analgesia, san anhidrosis), familial dysautonomia, etc.

Didn't want to get too "technical". You're actually the first, out of many, to have a problem with me not mentioning what the name of the disease is. I think it was better left out. He has a disease where he can't feel pain. That's all that really needs to be known.

And yeah, the person would still sustain injuries (the doctor describe self mutilation, eg biting your tongue, in an earlier scene)...

I think where Morphine missed the mark, or failed to convey to some of the audience, was that this was written with a sense of heightened reality... though the disease exists, it's very rare and, in a way, is hard for some people to wrap their mind around. It doesn't seem very realistic, though it does indeed exist. The rest of the script, at least to me, was written as a drama blurred with hints of fantasy... think the skewed reality depicted in films like Wild at Heart, Natural Born Killers, Buffalo 66, etc.

The bottle over the head, the taser... yeah, in reality, that would injure him. And it does to some degree here -- he bleeds. To me, it's similar to those old timey westerns where they break a stool or beer bottle over somebody's head in a saloon fight, and there's no blood, minimal injury. Though Morphine is a completely different tone, was just using that as an example.

I'm amazed that the script has received such a strong and passionate response, both in the negative and the positive, especially with plausibility --  people have googled components of the scripts to see if some of the situations can really happen (mothers dying at childbirth, the disease in the story, looking for bridges low enough over a lake where someone can survive jumping off, etc).


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Hey Michael,

Great job on the exposure man.

Sense I posted up to page 60, I read a few of the comments left from posters like Pia, Curt and few others and they echoes my thoughts on several of the same points that have already come up so I'm gonna save the repeat read and get to the point.

I like dark material. I really liked this script. I didn't really see it as a mixed bag at all. In fact, in my mind it was consistent.

I'ts sad and funny what sort of comments people can leave when they know they have no fear of being caught. I'm no talking about here. Everyone here, for the most part has shown this script love and offered a ton of good stuff. I'm talking about over on that other site.

Don't give it two thoughts man.

I really liked the ending. Very well put to bed.

All in all, this was a very enjoyable read. You have a great writing style and I look forward to reading more of your work.

Take care brother.

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Michael, it is interesting that people would go to the extent of researching aspects of your script on Google.  The most amusing one:  "looking for bridges low enough over a lake where someone can survive jumping off."  Seriously?  It's almost as if they want to find something wrong with your story-telling in any way, shape, or form.  I'll be honest, I only ever did that once, concerning a script that was posted on here.  The idea was so preposterous and being passed off as dead serious realistic that I had to question it.
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No, I never mention what the name of the disease is... there seems to be more than one "disorder" where the person can't feel pain. Yes, anhidrosis is one of them, but there is also congenital insensitivity to pain (analgesia, san anhidrosis), familial dysautonomia, etc.


I just thought it was weird that it was never mentioned, even when Early was diagnosed and the doctor's explaining it to his mother.  There was actually an episode of House that dealt with a teenager who had it.  The ending was pretty awesome.

The low bridge over the lake, I thought was weird.  Then I remembered such a bridge near where I live.  It just seems odd but it's doable.


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Michael

The premise, as summarized in the logline, is instantly intriguing to anyone with a pulse and having read a few of your recent shorts I was expecting a liberal dollop of violence thrown in…it delivered on that promise.
It’s clear you’re an experienced writer as the read moved along at a brisk pace, virtually no issues on the technical front.

As for the story:

The initial build from the moment that changed Early’s life, the subsequent effect on him and transition to introverted 18 year old feels almost tele-visual at times as it very much goes through the motions we’ve seen a hundred times before. The tantrums, the flashbacks, the grim doctor visit. I wanted to see more of the effect the condition had on him as he grew up. We get a bunch of scenes as him as a kid not really aware of what’s going on, understandably enough and then we cut to his 18th birthday and the odyssey begins. I wanted some in-between moment to chart his transition from troubled kid to troubled teenager and all the angst, insecurities and self awareness that comes along with it.

Once the journey does begin though (and to you credit it does get into very quickly) things greatly improved and I really got immersed in the read. I loved the relationship dynamic between Agony and Early and the Blue Velvet obsession with observing sado/masochistic activities.

However, I would’ve liked a scene between Agony and Early in character. The initial goal of Early to feel pain is never given a chance to be explored as Agony’s past catches up with her. I was expecting to see Agony do her routine on him and gauge how he reacts, would it have an effect or would he maintain his steely indifference to physical stress. I’d imagine it could go any way given the sexual element in Agony’s act which Early would be unused to. It’s got fantastic potential for a key scene but you never capitalised on it and I’m sure you have your reasons.
I couldn’t help feeling sorry for Winston in all this too. Yes, his blind, enraged vengeance cannot be justified but I did at least sympathise with his jilted disposition. I presume it was probably more Tina and Fred’s decision than the young Early to not acknowledge Winston but a phone call or a visit wouldn’t have done any harm.

Agony’s familial issues seemed a little over egged at times. I mean, Daddy was a mean sonofabitch and I get that this was what you were going for, Agony came from a bad place which is reflected in her choice of profession but at times it felt like you were pushing the depravity a bit far for shock value. The key scene of Daddy’s confrontation is a tough one and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t gripped but in hindsight, is it too extreme.? It reminded me of the chicken drumstick scene in “Killer Joe” from last year, I had similar mixed feelings in that it works in some ways but questionable in others.

Anyway, overall I did enjoy this, it had a dark, perverse boldness intermingled with elements of fantasy and surrealism that I responded to. It shows, if anything,t hat you’re not afraid to get your hands dirty and are more concerned about staying true to your vision rather than pad it out and take the edges off, I applaud that. In the era of increasingly bland pc conscious filmmaking this is a welcome example of ballsy writing.

You should get a good impression from my PDF notes how I felt as I read, what worked, what didn’t and the parts in which I was confused or had problems.
Hope they help.

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Thanks Col, checking out your notes right now! You're the man!

-- Michael


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Hey, Col, just a question... how were able to do that with the PDF (in the notes you emailed me)? With the comment talk bubbles and stuff?

Never new you could do that... thanks!


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Download PDF X, or the latest Adobe PDF. Should do the trick.

And yes, the Colonel has no equal when it comes to notes.

BTW, congrats on everything. Excited for your future success!
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Yeah, I remember not being able to use sticky notes on previous standard versions, you had to pay for the full program to get the feature.

Now its included on the free version, happy days!


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I got the impression that I ruined their life in some way by "forcing" them to start reading the script, haha. They were genuinely, down right offended, haha. Can't please everybody I guess...


You will never please everyone AND as long as you get strong publicity...negative or positive by hitting emotional points...you did more than most of us can!

Congrats on the exposure....you got a future man! Rock it!
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Pathfinder Films optioned the script today. Thanks to all those who took out the time to read and give feedback on the script (here on simplyscripts, scriptshadow and zoetrope).

Sorry I haven't been around lately to read and comment on scripts, been super busy with numerous projects. Will be around soon to check out some more material!

-- Michael


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Hey, Michael. I've had my eye on this for a while and forgot to congratulate you.

That's great, man! Hope it gets made, good luck with everything.
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Pathfinder Films optioned the script today. Thanks to all those who took out the time to read and give feedback on the script (here on simplyscripts, scriptshadow and zoetrope).

Sorry I haven't been around lately to read and comment on scripts, been super busy with numerous projects. Will be around soon to check out some more material!

-- Michael


Excellent news - well done!

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Michael,
That's fantastic news.  Congrats on the option!  Your script was excellent, friend.  Well deserved.
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So, so stoked for you man!  I really loved this script and would love to see it hit the screen!  Congrats on this!!!

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You will never please everyone AND as long as you get strong publicity...negative or positive by hitting emotional points...you did more than most of us can!

Congrats on the exposure....you got a future man! Rock it!


Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I knew you would rock it! Congrats man!
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Congrats, Michael.  I remember this very well as a fantastic, dark drama with interesting characters.

Will be there when it debuts upon that silver screen.  Just... not in 3D.  Every movie is in 3D these days and it hurts the eyeballs.  
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That's awesome, Michael. Congratulations. =)


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Big congrats, man! Super happy for you!


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Thanks a bunch, guys, your support means a lot!


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Hey Michael,

Got around to reading this so won't repeat a lot of what has been said.

Personally I though this read well and I enjoyed it, even if a tad depressing with the occasional 'extra' shock.

I understand what they say about a lack of story but I did enjoy the agony / early relationship and I wasn't bothered by the tests she performs when they meet.

I did find it funny that she was still called agony at home. Indeed, if she had a different, normal name, that would have helped with us seeing her in new light.

In terms of suggestion, remembering I am amateur writer , the ones that come to mind are

1) I felt I wanted to see the story more about his desire and choices. It did feel that it became agony's story with him tagging along...to a degree

2) unlike script shadow I liked the winston element but agree that it needed more. I just wonder what the options could be if it was Early who wanted to turn him into a surrogate father that he could never be. The cash he had stolen, could this be an attraction. He would tell the boy when he's 18?

Antagonist-  I appreciate this is a woven story of different threads but it may benefit for greater clarity on who is the antag and why we route for the boy rather than them.

Anyway, just some thoughts and all the best with the sale etc

I'll move on to Your other script soon.


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Thanks man. This script was an experimental project, kinda used Taxi Driver as a template in terms of structure. It was kinda a personal project, more of an arthouse type of script. Didn't expect everyone to like it, a very particular audience in mind when writing it. I'm surprised it received so much attention in the screenwriting community.

Thanks again for checking it out. Seems about 50/50... some hated it (and hated it a lot) but the ones who liked it liked it a lot. Still get emails from random people about it, which is always nice. Crossing my fingers with the green light on this... I feel it could be a cool little film w/ the right director.

-- Michael


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Don't be afraid to give your characters actual names, early and Specialist etc does not look good when it is time to pitch the script.


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Early IS the main character's name. His name is Early. Specialist is the name of a specialist who never appears in the script outside of that one page. He's called "Specialist" because, well, he's a Specialist.

The script was optioned almost three years ago. The same company has renewed the script every year since then.

I'm not a beginner writer. And though I'm not completely flawless in my craft, naming characters is not one aspect I look to as an area of concern. I DID have a film come out in theaters last year here in the States (albeit select theaters for a limited time) and it is still on Netflix now. In fact, said film was shot in your native Australia and named the number 5 Australian film of 2015.

I've been writing for about 15 years and the actual writing is automatic at this point IMO (though I could be wrong). If there were any area of concern, in regards to this script in particular, it's a matter of taste and/or the way I structured the script and/or the way I portray my characters and/or the total execution of the way the story plays out.

I've read your very brief comments on other scripts and, as a professional screenwriter, I think you need to do a little more research yourself in the field before offering poor advice. Especially to inexperienced writers. You're only going to steer them the wrong way. And, to save yourself the embarrassment, it is ill-advised to offer poor advice to seasoned writers with actual experience in a room pitching to producers.

And you should probably actually read the scripts you're commenting on rather than skimming through the moment you open the script. If you had read the opening paragraph, you'd see that the main character's name is EARLY UPCHURCH.

Thank you for offering your insight, though.

-- Michael


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Hey guys, haven't been on here in a while. But I got a strange call from another screenwriter (who gave me a fake name) claiming I stole his script that he wrote in 2011, also called Morphine. With the same premise. He requested that I remove the script, which is funny... apparently he didn't read the comments on this page or the Script Shadow review back in 2013 where I applied feedback into future drafts. And I optioned the script back in 2013 and continue to get paid. This disheartens me because I consider myself an "original voice". He threatened to get his lawyers involved if I didn't remove the script.

But, I refuse to remove the script. He claims I stole his idea and executed it in oddly similar way... which is very hard to believe. Especially when I wrote a similar script, with the same premise, back in 2006 that I posted on Triggerstreet called "Wonderful Pain" except I made it a comedy.

Sorry, but removing the script, to me, would be a false admission to plagiarism. Maybe I'm being hardheaded... any suggestions on what action I should take here?

-- Michael


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Hey guys, haven't been on here in a while. But I got a strange call from another screenwriter (who gave me a fake name) claiming I stole his script that he wrote in 2011, also called Morphine. With the same premise. He requested that I remove the script, which is funny... apparently he didn't read the comments on this page or the Script Shadow review back in 2013 where I applied feedback into future drafts. And I optioned the script back in 2013 and continue to get paid. This disheartens me because I consider myself an "original voice". He threatened to get his lawyers involved if I didn't remove the script.

But, I refuse to remove the script. He claims I stole his idea and executed it in oddly similar way... which is very hard to believe. Especially when I wrote a similar script, with the same premise, back in 2006 that I posted on Triggerstreet called "Wonderful Pain" except I made it a comedy.

Sorry, but removing the script, to me, would be a false admission to plagiarism. Maybe I'm being hardheaded... any suggestions on what action I should take here?

-- Michael


My $0.02 -- unless the letter came from a reputable attorney, ignore it. Responding in any manner just gives him oxygen.

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I remember reading that one. It's still with me. You seem to have a tendency to write those.

This all sounds very bizarre to me. Where does this guy say that he posted his scripts for you to have even found it? Did he copyright his? Did you?

Also, if you get an email or such from an "attorney", don't assume that person actually is one unless they give you their full name and name of firm they are working for.


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He said it was WGA registered. But he says he didn't have it posted anywhere but shopped it around Hollywood. I wasn't very well connected back then (and really not now) to have access to scripts like that. Very funny. Sounded like some kid. Again, I did write "Wonderful Pain" in 2006, same premise. Someone on Script Shadow posted the trigger street link and commented that I must have had the premise brewing for a while... which I did.


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Was this a voice message he left on your phone or did you actually talk with the guy? I'd ignore it either way, but if you do come into contact then ask him for proof to back up his claims. It's seem you have your back covered so it's up to him to make a good case.
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Michael, he sounds like he's full of a lot of hot air.

So, where's his script?  Where's the long paper trail of evidence to substantiate his claims.

He called you? Didn't email? Did you Google his fake name?

He's probably just a troublemaker. And he's been watching Secret Window.

I wouldn't do anything at the moment. Stick to your guns.
And like the others have said, documents, credentials, can easily be faked in the age of the Internet.

Sorry you're going through this BS.


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I'm covered, not worried about it.


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In the middle of shooting a film, kinda not what I needed. But I'm covered. He did call me personally.


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That's great.

Just ignore him.


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So, I found out the real identity of the guy who accused me of stealing his script idea. His name is Frankie Hopkins. Screenwriting friends, if you are aware of that name, it's because he has been INFAMOUS for stealing other writer's work, including stealing short films and shooting them SHOT FOR SHOT and passing them off as his -- the credits at the end of these films all credit Frankie Hopkins as the writer, director, etc. I already knew of his name and thought "what a douchebag". Never would I have expected to ever cross paths with this legendary thief. I mean, that's what he's known for in the screenwriting/film community! Never heard of any of his scripts, just his reputation and exploits. The fact that people know him and are aware of him STRICTLY for his thievery and stirring shit up with other writers and filmmakers pretty much shows the kind of person he is. Dude's famous for it. Infamous rather. Kinda makes me feel better because the fact that he's known for this validates my innocence. If any of you get an email from this address (pzillafh@gmail.com), the dude is Frankie Hopkins, though he'll use a fake name. And he actually called me personally on top of that from this number -- (323) 984-0714. Dude's a fucking failure as a writer and especially a person... a complete sociopath. WRITERS BEWARE!!!

-- Michael

P.S. Frankie, if you're reading, burn in hell you piece of trash.


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Turns out this guy Frankie Hopkins is trying to make the film... https://www.slated.com/films/200507/team/

Wow. I need a lawyer.


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Yes, you do.

I'm astounded that this can happen.

Best of luck


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Is this for real?

This guy is Rep'd by United Talent Agency in Los Angeles, CA.??

Keep your cool and just do what you need to do, Michael.
Who knows, it might put you on the map.


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Wow! Well, one good thing about having scripts posted at SS is that when things like this happen, there is not just a record, but also enough people that know about the script and have read it to create enough of a stink about it. I remember a guy who stole "Dr. Mabuse" Martin's script and entered it to the reality show On The Lot. In his bio, he even had a video where he sat and talked about how he wrote the script and such. Well, the SS community bombarded that show with emails telling them that it was not that guy's script, it was Martin's. The guy got kicked out from the show and shunned from screenwriting and filmmaking communities.


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I'd email everyone connected to the 'production', Slated, Producers, Finacers etc and advice them that you are currently seeking legal advice as it appears Muppet Face has stolen your script and is passing it off as his own!

I'd also consider posting on Stage 32 too as there's a wider community of producers, directors etc on there and it'd be a good warning.

Good luck!


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There's even a website dedicated to his fraud's http://frankiefraud.com/

And I believe he's calling you out on his Facebook page, but apparently you've agreed to his demands!

What a psycho ;-(


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I agree with Anthony, maybe you can make enough of a stink that he'll retreat and decide to find some other person to vulture off instead.

If you are considering getting a lawyer, make sure you find one with a lot of experience in this type of litigation. Not just someone who says they're an entertainment lawyer, make sure they've specifically litigated copyright infringement cases.

I found a free legal clinic for artists you might want to check out. At least, you can consult for free and if you meet certain specifications they'll hook you up with a pro bono (free) attorney. Should at least be able to get some information completely free:

https://vlany.org/artists/artists-services/

And this link is more of a lawyer referral service but it has a pro bono application:

https://www.calawyersforthearts.org/need-a-lawyer.html
  

Not that you should necessarily go with a free lawyer. You should find a good lawyer who you're comfortable with, first and foremost. But, you can hopefully get some free info as to your options.


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Might also be worth contacting the WGA as he's claiming he registered the script with them... I have a feeling that he hasn't... unless he's invented time travel!

But they might be interested to know that he's dragging their name into it...


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I commented on his facebook page... wow! This dude is sick!


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Thanks, MarkitZero!


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Facebook - Me too


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Unbelievable - this guy is seriously delusional.  I got creeped out just skimming his FB posts.

Sorry you're having to deal with this BS.  Hope you can get it sorted without too much grief.


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Amusingly he's deleted my post on his facebook page...

I thought I'd reach out to his agent and see if he'd be interested in an interview... unsurprisingly the email bounced back from UTAs server due to Invalid Recipient...

You couldn't make this stuff up... well obviously we could, given the talent on SS


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First of all, I don't believe for five seconds he has any lawyers on retainer.

Personally, I'd call or write a letter to UTA and let them know this guy stole your script and is listed as one of their clients on IMDb. The last thing they need is a known fraud on their client list. Once he gets busted for that, IMDb may take action against him.

I don't know if you've told him to halt the project based on the screenplay he stole from you, but if you haven't, I would.


Addendum:
Actually, he doesn't have a rep named in his contact info on IMDb. It's just the generic UTA information contact. This leads me to believe he's falsely claiming to be repped at UTA. Still, I would contact them to let them know what's going on.


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Congrats on getting Lindsay Lohan attached to your movie, Michael.

Kidding aside, use every avenue available at your disposal. As Breanne said, get in contact with UTA, just in case. I know when YT has something that infringes copyright, you can have it pulled. I don't know if that works the same way with FB and Twitter. If so, may want to look into that. Also, I've never tried seeing if you can look up what's registered with WGA, but I know you can do that with the Copyright Office. If need be, make that connection. Beyond that, I can't think of any other preliminary steps to take.


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He lists his UTA agent on his Facebook page and their email address, as mentioned above the email address just bounces back from the UTA server...

It's like he's got a vague understanding of catfishing but doesn't really get how it works!


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that sucks, dude. if the guy is going to produce it himself, there isn't much you can do until after it's made. get all your ducks in a line/paperwork in order, and then wait to see what happens. did you tell the people who optioned it off you yet?


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I would save screen shots of any pertinent pages for future reference, including his fb about page and his IMDb pro page.


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He lists his UTA agent on his Facebook page and their email address, as mentioned above the email address just bounces back from the UTA server...

It's like he's got a vague understanding of catfishing but doesn't really get how it works!


Yes, he seems to be as much a wannabe as a con artist as he is as a filmmaker.

There are four people named Allison on staff at UTA right now and none have a last name that starts with a “K.” If he was legitimate, it wouldn't make sense to put his agent's email address on his fb page. It would just get her a bunch of unsolicited emails.


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If it were me, I would bite the bullet. hire a lawyer for a basic cease and desist order.


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Or get a cameraman and make a documentary about him...


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Oh wow, "from there to here and here to there, funny things are everywhere"
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So, this Frankie Hopkins thing continues - a little bit on the backstory, Frankie Hopkins (google him) is a notorious film and screenplay thief, along with promoting a fake comedy tour (yes, he thinks he's a stand-up comic, too). He's, on numerous occasions, claimed he's performing at certain FAMOUS comedy clubs and yet, nobody has heard of him or ever seen him on stage.

Well, this dude stole "Morphine", is trying to get funding for it (he also reportedly took a passage from a short film also posted on Simply Scripts and passed it off as his own on Reddit). He tried pulling the opposite and is accusing me of stealing HIS screenplay.

I had a spat with him on Twitter and he claims that his lawyers have been in contact with me and that I am ignoring court orders lol. Nope. Haven't heard from anyone but him. So, he lied about that.

It's kind of a joke at this point... I told him FROM THE START that I no longer control the rights of the script as it has been under option with Pathfinder Pictures since 2013 (a few months after I wrote it). It is STILL under contract. I've explained this to him IN WRITING numerous times.

So, now, apparently he has a podcast and he decided to call me out by name (starting at the 19:11 mark). He claims that I am CURRENTLY trying to sell it and that he contacted a production company out of "New York or London" -- wouldn't the accent give that away? What an idiot. And he says that he made the company aware that the script was stolen by me and now they won't touch the script.

So, yeah, he lied about that, too. The company is based out of LA. And I told him REPEATEDLY that the script is controlled by Pathfinder Pictures and even gave him the contact info. They have not heard from him.

https://soundcloud.com/stillsmokingpodcast/episode6

I really want to make a Troy Duffy-style documentary about this guy.

--Michael


THE SUICIDE THEORY (Amazon Prime, 79% Rotten Tomatoes) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2517300/?ref_=nm_knf_i1
RAGE (Coming Feb. 2021) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8874764/?ref_=nm_knf_i2

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Oh wow, he's clearly psychotic!!!

Anything we can do to out him on social media etc just let us know...

Have you thought about trying to get this onto one of the bigger podcasts, Scripts n Scribes, Scriptnotes etc - just a thought...


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Riveting stuff...  You think they knew the tape was recording..?

All the same I'd be hanging onto a copy.  This guy's really not the sharpest.


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Unreal some people.
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So, Frankie Hopkins said that he apparently never heard of Simply Scripts before his "producer" got a link to Morphine. Because of the easy access to the script, of course he would have access to steal it. He still can't explain how I would steal it from him, though (yes, he tried pulling the switch-a-roo and saying I stole Morphine from him).

Anyway, he claims he never heard of Simply Scripts. Yet, here is a link to a very crappy short he posted in 2010. Poorly written, poorly executed. And you know what? He probably stole that, too. http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1289524417/

He also posted on Reddit an excerpt from a short film he was "writing" called "Amore". Yeah, he stole this excerpt from a short script that was posted on Simply Scripts a while back. https://www.reddit.com/r/writers/comments/5zgllv/excerpt_from_a_short_film_i_wrote_called_amore/

Beware, he lurks this site. I highly recommend registering with Library of Congress AND WGA. This dumbass continues to text me about how I stole "his" script and continues to post about me on sites (of course, HIS sites - the only people who go to his sites are people he stole from in the past). He claims he has a copyright from 2011 (which is hilarious because it's VERY easy to check) and has posted publicly about how I'm ignoring court orders from his "lawyers" -- lawyers that don't exist. Lawyers I've never heard from.

But even with a copyright, even THAT won't stop him from taking your shit and passing it off as his own. People like him are fucking it up for everyone else who want to workshop screenplays on public sites such as Simply Scripts. Be careful. Be very careful.

-- Michael


THE SUICIDE THEORY (Amazon Prime, 79% Rotten Tomatoes) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2517300/?ref_=nm_knf_i1
RAGE (Coming Feb. 2021) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8874764/?ref_=nm_knf_i2

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I think you need to get a lawyer to send him a cease and desist type letter.

Given everything he's involved in seems to be a fantasy, I'm not even sure what his aim is!


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