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Leegion
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You're pretty much asking for final cut... on a screenplay? That the script remains the same during shooting? Good luck with that.

Writers are great and everything, but we only provide a blueprint. Sometimes a very vague one. We're giving them to directors, producers to make these stories "real", and sometimes you have to bite the bullet. It's unlikely a script is adapted onscreen exactly as the writer intended without compromise.

Having said that... I do know some producers will say "we want you on site to make sure everything keeps to plan", but you still have to be able to be versatile. It should be a "shared vision" between everyone, way before shooting even begins, but things happen and you have to be prepared for the worst.

Regarding money... I'd write anything for a cheque. But that's just me. Perhaps you're loaded already. Fair enough.


Neglecting my bed to respond, that's exactly what I'm asking for.  So I guess I'm figuring it out now.  I want to be a writer/producer/director with complete control.  I... am a control freak.  It's official.

The script is 99% of the work.  We're literally showing everything that happens.  The story's unfolding right in front of the reader.  Technically, we're directing it from the get-go.  Just my two-cents, which are worth about as much as my shoes, ha-ha.

As for loaded ... uh, no.  Lol.  My wallet might be lumpy, but that's the dust inside.


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Not necessarily - just a different point of view - although - 30 hours is a very long time


Guess it'd be boring if we were all the same, eh?  


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I think you'll find that this is an uphill battle that you'll wind up losing most of the time. So, you better make sure that you at least got paid for your troubles.


More than likely.  Though, I'd likely say "no" if they said "no".  I'm a stubborn sod.
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Neglecting my bed to respond, that's exactly what I'm asking for.  So I guess I'm figuring it out now.  I want to be a writer/producer/director with complete control.  I... am a control freak.  It's official.

The script is 99% of the work.  We're literally showing everything that happens.  The story's unfolding right in front of the reader.  Technically, we're directing it from the get-go.  Just my two-cents, which are worth about as much as my shoes, ha-ha.



Fair enough if that's how you feel, but I think you're way over-tired and basically dreaming with those comments.

99% of the work of making a movie is writing? Really?
I'd say more like 9%, if that.

We are artists, fair enough, but then the director has to be a skilled artist in order to bring our words to life. The producer has to be skilled in order to organize the people to make the thing; and pay money to those working on the project, amidst a bazillion other things; That's a skill in itself. God knows, the list goes on -- people of many skills are required to bring a script to life.
Writing? We might make the baby,and that's the fun part, but it's up to other people to raise it.









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Once you start making films you'll soon realise the importance of everyone else involved. Even the make up artists need to tell their own story through the script. The DP... wow, what an important job that is. Hours and hours of setting up, constantly checking the light levels to get the perfect shot. Some of the shots are just pure art. Sound too. Not to mention the editing and grading process.

I could go on and on. The writer is just one cog in a machine full of cogs.

If you don't like changes to your script, the best thing to do is ask to do the rewrites. Consider what they want to do then make it work for them. Better than some other fool coming in and doing it.


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After sleeping for the past 10 hours and clearing my noggin of over-clogged useless stuff, I think I made a little booboo yesterday with some of the things I said.  Apologies for that.  But, one positive to come of it was finally figuring out that I need to be behind the camera for my stories.  As the writer-director, not just the writer.  Maybe that's the trick to getting somewhere.

Whenever I say nonsense, just ignore me.  I'm either over-tired or annoyed at something stupid that shouldn't really bother me.

I understand all of the functions from script-writing to post-production.  Everyone involved HAS to be involved otherwise it doesn't work.  If just 1 extra fluffs up a background thing then the entire production goes to hell, IMO.  If the producers don't shell out enough dosh to make it work, then you may as well NOT even try to make the thing.  The DP and his/her lighting and such, if one bulb goes BANG there's a blind spot where there shouldn't be.  And we need to make sure no cameras appear in reflections also, so the editing team needs to be half decent.

Now I've had some much need recuperation time to reboot my hard drive, I'm entering this competition solely for the purpose of WINNING that $5000 to make a low-budget short myself, just so I can get a feel for directing something.

Guess a good night's sleep does help after all.  
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I'm entering this competition solely for the purpose of WINNING that $5000 to make a low-budget short myself, just so I can get a feel for directing something.


Related to this contest, you've gone from "I won't take the money" to "It's only about the money" - but I get it - you have a singular purpose for the money.

I have a suggestion: check out the Amazon Studios online. Amazon has a first-look deal with Warner Brothers, and they have a rolling "free" submission. If they option your script, you get $10k. If the movie is made, you get $200k. Not sure if they've made a movie, but I think they've written a lot of those $10k checks. Anyway, they let you know within 45 days of submission if they want to option your script, and if they do, you have no choice - once you submit, you agree to a bunch of terms.

I haven't submitted anything, so I can't really speak to the process, but if it's only about the money, it's not a bad option to pursue.

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Now I've had some much need recuperation time to reboot my hard drive, I'm entering this competition solely for the purpose of WINNING that $5000 to make a low-budget short myself, just so I can get a feel for directing something.


I'm in it because I've got an amazing Hollywood-esque idea and it's a way, if I win, of getting that script into the right hands.


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I'm also directing my first short at present. It's not easy. I directed my first few scenes a couple of weeks ago... and, we've got to reshoot... because of me. I wanted the actors to act a certain way, they acted another and I let it slide. So, now we've got to do it all over again. That's my choice.

As a director you've really got to take charge. My first attempt was a fail. Really looking forward to round 2 though.


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I'm also directing my first short at present. It's not easy. I directed my first few scenes a couple of weeks ago... and, we've got to reshoot... because of me. I wanted the actors to act a certain way, they acted another and I let it slide. So, now we've got to do it all over again. That's my choice.

As a director you've really got to take charge. My first attempt was a fail. Really looking forward to round 2 though.


Did you do any rehearsals? When I made TTD, we practiced at least three times here at my house. I had to rent a national monument, Castillo De San Marcos, at night too, so there was no time for re-takes. It was still VERY hard and everyone was exhausted.



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Did you do any rehearsals? When I made TTD, we practiced at least three times here at my house. I had to rent a national monument, Castillo De San Marcos, at night too, so there was no time for re-takes. It was still VERY hard and everyone was exhausted.



Not this time. It's hard getting everyone together as they have other jobs etc. We did intend to get a few rehearsals in but never got around to it. Two of the actors have to travel a couple hundred miles.

What I've done after the disaster shoot (well half of a disaster, the one scene is fine) is write out lengthy character bios. I've also figured out a strategy for the next shoot. Last time, I just played it by ear. At one point I even forgot that I was supposed to shout 'cut'. I swear, the word just went completely out of my mind.


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It is a lot harder than people think to pull off and a lot of logistics and planning. I recommend every writer, if they can, give it a shot at putting a short together. Not only will they learn the process of making a film, but it makes you a better writer too, I think.

I hear you about the actors having to travel far. My first choice actress for TTD lived in San Augustine where the film was shot, but it's about 1hr and 45 mins from where I live, so it would've been convenient for her, but it didn't workout for rehearsals, so I used a local woman instead. My town is not exactly a hotbed for actors and filmmakers, so it makes everything more challenging. When Dena and I make our short, we'll do it in Jax because they have a much larger film and acting community.  


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I have a suggestion: check out the Amazon Studios online. Amazon has a first-look deal with Warner Brothers, and they have a rolling "free" submission. If they option your script, you get $10k. If the movie is made, you get $200k. Not sure if they've made a movie, but I think they've written a lot of those $10k checks. Anyway, they let you know within 45 days of submission if they want to option your script, and if they do, you have no choice - once you submit, you agree to a bunch of terms.


Bogey - just my opinion - but I personally wouldn't touch Amazon Studios with a ten foot pole.  And I don't recommend that other writers do so, either.  Pia (and others who have commented here) are spot on that keeping a script "pure" is a daydream.  Things do and will change when a script goes into production.  And writers only have limited control over that.  But Amazon Studios takes that to the extra extreme (at least, if they're still running under the same rules that they were when I last looked.)  You submit your script, you lose all rights.  Anyone (under the Amazon collaborative umbrella) is free to make changes, butcher the story however they see fit, etc.  It's one thing to be reasonable and aware that filmmaking is a group effort - and that writers are but one cog in the wheel.  It's quite another to put your baby in the middle of the road, and allow it to be run over by a mack truck...  

** Apologies to Amazon Studios if the rules have altered to fix the faults I noted when it first came on the scene.  But buyer beware.  Read the legalese on this one. Carefully.
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Bogey - just my opinion - but I personally wouldn't touch Amazon Studios with a ten foot pole.  And I don't recommend that other writers do so, either.  Pia (and others who have commented here) are spot on that keeping a script "pure" is a daydream.  Things do and will change when a script goes into production.  And writers only have limited control over that.  But Amazon Studios takes that to the extra extreme (at least, if they're still running under the same rules that they were when I last looked.)  You submit your script, you lose all rights.  Anyone (under the Amazon collaborative umbrella) is free to make changes, butcher the story however they see fit, etc.  It's one thing to be reasonable and aware that filmmaking is a group effort - and that writers are but one cog in the wheel.  It's quite another to put your baby in the middle of the road, and allow it to be run over by a mack truck...  

** Apologies to Amazon Studios if the rules have altered to fix the faults I noted when it first came on the scene.  But buyer beware.  Read the legalese on this one. Carefully.


I don't disagree, which is one reason why I've never submitted. Looks like it's strictly a money play, which is an option if that's your priority for a certain script. Once you get the check, everything is out of your control. Upside, though, is a credit and a launching pad if the movie is made.
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Use them as a last resort.

Better than gathering dust.


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Related to this contest, you've gone from "I won't take the money" to "It's only about the money" - but I get it - you have a singular purpose for the money.

I have a suggestion: check out the Amazon Studios online. Amazon has a first-look deal with Warner Brothers, and they have a rolling "free" submission. If they option your script, you get $10k. If the movie is made, you get $200k. Not sure if they've made a movie, but I think they've written a lot of those $10k checks. Anyway, they let you know within 45 days of submission if they want to option your script, and if they do, you have no choice - once you submit, you agree to a bunch of terms.

I haven't submitted anything, so I can't really speak to the process, but if it's only about the money, it's not a bad option to pursue.



Exactly.  I'm not doing it to line my pockets, I'm doing it to fund a project.  Hell, with that $5000 I could finally buy Autodesk 3DS Max so I can make CGI movies in the comfort of my man-cave.  

I'll have to research that Amazon Studios thing before I sign anything away.  Hell, I might just submit a mid par script just to test the waters.  


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I'm in it because I've got an amazing Hollywood-esque idea and it's a way, if I win, of getting that script into the right hands.


Hopefully the right hands find it, man.  But you gotta get in first.  Never count your chickens til they hatch and all.  

Right now, we're all in the same boat, a 1 in who knows how many shot of getting in, but once you're in, you've a 1/250 chance of winning the entire thing, and the odds of that are low because there's one guarantee I can assure ... there's ALWAYS someone who will push the envelope further than you to get the job done.

May the best man/woman win.
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I don't feel that this is about the pushing of envelopes. This is about coming up with the most marketable idea. The guy doesn't particularly care about how great of a writer you are. Once you get to a certain level, we're pretty much all the same.

Ask yourself... do you have an idea that you can sell to Hollywood? Because that's what the guy wants to do with your script. He doesn't want to produce it, he wants to hawk it. He wants to make money. Can you help him make money?

Everything else is bullshit.


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