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R.E._Freak
Posted: September 6th, 2004, 6:31pm Report to Moderator
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Well, thanks Glass. Don't quite know what to say.
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I am glad you take it so well RE Freak. I just want to help to make the script better, I dont want to shit on it, I just point out some errors.

The females are stereotypes, I went overboard with the slaves thing, but they are definately stereotypes.

The Super Military Technology that can somehow register how a zombie learns is technobabble. The movie tries to stay 'realistic' at all times, within it's own world. Experiments were great if they actually led to a conclusion. A zombie wielding a knife (even though he couldn't do that before) says nothing about how he learns, how other zombies learn or how they adapt to other examples.

My idea is to go for the 'recall'. Zombies RECALL how they could use such devices from their past lives. They see the humans do it and it cues part of their brain to recall such activities without emotion.
Seeing how the zombie loses his emotion complex, motoric features etc, it's very doubtfull that a zombie could learn.

Or be a perfect marksman. I say you should have some zombies that can't shoot at all, or miss greatly. I was esspecially suprised how a zombie (rotting away) could aim an arrow perfectly through the woods, while his Occipital Brain part would have probably been rotting away, destroying most of his aim. Not realistic within the movie (if you get my point).

It's quite low in the character development actually. I'm sure RE could crank that up, he definately got the skills. Their flaws should slowly fade away, their bonds strengthen and such things can only occur when you bring the sub chars more to the foreground.

I love to read the next draft and I will read the first one as well. As I stated before Freak is a great writer. I'm trying to throw some of my cents his way to help him out.

As for the Trilogy that needs a second part for development, no subconclusion nor subshowdown is not perfect in my books. A second part can still provide the development, have a conclusion and build up to a bigger conclusion for part 3. See Star Wars for such thing. Nice round out, but still you know there is more to come.

And I dislike Lord of the Rings. It's extremely overrated IMO.

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R.E._Freak
Posted: September 8th, 2004, 1:11pm Report to Moderator
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The females are stereotypes, I went overboard with the slaves thing, but they are definately stereotypes.


That's much better in Chapter 3. It focuses a lot more on the cabin, and Kelly.


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The Super Military Technology that can somehow register how a zombie learns is technobabble. The movie tries to stay 'realistic' at all times, within it's own world. Experiments were great if they actually led to a conclusion. A zombie wielding a knife (even though he couldn't do that before) says nothing about how he learns, how other zombies learn or how they adapt to other examples.


In this case, they really don't care (the soldiers, I mean). Winters is really just labeling cheap entertainment as 'research' in the hopes that maybe they'll notice something. In this case, the zombies have never used knives before. When they drop in a knife and the zombie uses it, it shows just how fast these undead buggers can turn our own weapons against us.


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My idea is to go for the 'recall'. Zombies RECALL how they could use such devices from their past lives. They see the humans do it and it cues part of their brain to recall such activities without emotion.
Seeing how the zombie loses his emotion complex, motoric features etc, it's very doubtfull that a zombie could learn.


In this case, they aren't so much learning as mimicking the humans they hunt. This is why most zombies are still just shuffling around. They don't remember anything, and they won't 'learn' anything unless a human or another 'educated' zombie comes along.


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Or be a perfect marksman. I say you should have some zombies that can't shoot at all, or miss greatly. I was esspecially suprised how a zombie (rotting away) could aim an arrow perfectly through the woods, while his Occipital Brain part would have probably been rotting away, destroying most of his aim. Not realistic within the movie (if you get my point).


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It's quite low in the character development actually. I'm sure RE could crank that up, he definately got the skills. Their flaws should slowly fade away, their bonds strengthen and such things can only occur when you bring the sub chars more to the foreground.


Oh yeah. No question there. This follows the same pattern as most of my stuff: the first draft is action, the second is character.
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You don't like Lord of the rings?  How dare you!
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Well, finally got around to reading the first part! I'm slow, I know... doh! I've gotta say, like I did before, I'm no zombie fan. Sorry. But I can say that the opening of JTD really hooked me. It was the doom... I love doom... and death. I do admit to skimming some bits though, I just really wanted to get through it!

You obviously have talent, RE, as stated by many others on here -- I'm just looking forward to another genre from you, which I'm sure won't be too long.

But anyway, I will be reading the second in your JTD trilogy, because I actually enjoyed reading the first chapter.

[And for the record: I don't like Lord of the Rings. I had to watch the first one about five times cos I kept falling asleep... and what was that ending all about? Eh.. but hey, just my opinion. I did read the books though... mind you, that was years ago!]
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R.E._Freak
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Keep in mind, the second one is just a first draft. The new draft is already ten pages longer.
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Arcadio
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Give me a few days... I've been writing and reading so much I'm actually dreaming of a blinking cursor..  
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I haven't yet read the Journey series,  what order do they go in?  I have, however, read your Resident Evil scripts and I really liked them.  They should have filmed those instead of Paul Anderson's crap...(I used to like him until he screwed up AVP).  Anyway, I look forward to reading the Journey series.  All the best.
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I really liked this even better than the oringal second one that came out. I have the a feeling that Journey To Death Chapter Three will be the most awsome!!!


Buried Secrets (Tenative Title): Pre-Pre Production (2009-2010)
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R.E._Freak
Posted: October 2nd, 2004, 9:11pm Report to Moderator
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No question there. I've got some big things planned. Let's just say, it will be a bittersweet ending. And a lot more talking (if that's possible) than the first two. The second one was really lacking in the characterization, no worries about that in Chapter Three.

Oh, and to give you a bit of a teaser for chapter three: In Chapter Two a survivor from one of the groups sent out into the forest says 'Not all dead.'

He wasn't referring to David. . .
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It must be me!!! No just kidding.


Buried Secrets (Tenative Title): Pre-Pre Production (2009-2010)
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Now, I know you dont really want to give anything away about Chapter Three, but you GOTTA answer this one question:

WILL THERE BE A HUGE TWIST???

I love huge twists at the end of things, especially when you think they're going very linear and are pretty straightforward. It is my dream to one day make a twist SO HUGE that it just leaves everyone breathless. I think they just add so much tension and so much emotion to a story and they make the story itself a lot stronger in most cases (i.e. "I am your father..." in Empire Strikes Back). So... my question stands:

WILL THERE BE A HUGE TWIST???
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R.E._Freak
Posted: October 4th, 2004, 11:28am Report to Moderator
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Yes.  
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Will there be the same ending as the first drafts of chapter three?


"We don't make movies for critics, since they don't pay to see them anyhow."

-- Charles Bronson.
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R.E._Freak
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No, completely different. I won't be using any of that little tidbit of my past. Urgh,
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