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Dreamscale
Posted: July 25th, 2017, 11:46am Report to Moderator
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You're not a director... are you? You're not qualified to say what they should and shouldn't do because you don't have much of an idea how they work.


No, Dustin, I am not a Director.

But, based on the way the vast majority of movies turn out (and I've seen a literal shitload), I feel I am qualified to say that Directors are not qualified to change up a well written script...and if they don't have a well written script to start with, they shouldn't be trying to make a film in the first place.

It really starts with the Producers who think they know a Hell of alot more than they actually do.  It is they who screw things up the worst.  And, I do know that for a fact.

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DustinBowcot
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But, based on the way the vast majority of movies turn out (and I've seen a literal shitload), I feel I am qualified to say that Directors are not qualified to change up a well-written script.


You're completely wrong.


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It really starts with the Producers who think they know a Hell of a lot more than they actually do.  It is they who screw things up the worst.  And, I do know that for a fact.



I know this too, having had recent experience of it. In this case, an executive producer. Luckily, however, despite my feeling that the beginning of the story was ruined, the director made what we had left of the scene completely work. Some directors are real artists, good at what they do and have every ability to change a well-written script and make it even better.
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Dreamscale
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Some directors are real artists, good at what they do and have every ability to change a well-written script and make it even better.


Sure, some are, but many others are not.

Some screenwriters are amazing, but most are not.  In fact, most really suck arse.

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Pale Yellow
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Quoted from DustinBowcot
Page count is b/s anyway. A director can turn a 5-page script into a 10-minute film and a 10-page script into a 5-minute film.


I had a director turn a 22 page script into a feature film. Ugh.

Sorry I didn't get in on this one. Maybe next time... just a busy week for me. I would like to have a 5 page count limit next time... Just throwing it out there.
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DustinBowcot
Posted: July 25th, 2017, 2:09pm Report to Moderator
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I had a director turn a 22 page script into a feature film. Ugh.


There are limits even for the best directors. I doubt there are many that could turn a 22-page script into a feature without being decent writers themselves.
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It seems everyone is expecting a perfectly polished, ready to film script from a OWC. That's the rare case, usually they are rough drafts that sometimes would make much better stories with a bit more flexibility than the OWC restrictions impose on them. But that's what I love about the OWC, it's a starting point, it forces you to come up with something creative to fit the restrictions, and at the end of it you have a short you can rewrite however you like into something that could be filmed or shopped, and the comments here help with that process.


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Dreamscale
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There are limits even for the best directors. I doubt there are many that could turn a 22-page script into a feature without being decent writers themselves.


Agreed to a certain extent...

As I said above, this is exactly the problem "these days".  Peeps come up with a nice "little" idea and make a short.  Then along comes some dumbass with money and wants to make more money, so he turns the short into a feature, markets the nice little idea plot, and pads the thing with horseshit, releases it, makes a killing, and leaves the audience pissing all over themselves.

Perfect Example is 2016's "Lights Out", which somehow received positive word of mouth, somehow grossed $150 Million on a $5 Million budget, but was so obviously nothing more than a short idea.

I just pisses me off when shit like this makes a killing and is so stupid.
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Dreamscale
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Agreed to a certain extent...

As I said above, this is exactly the problem "these days".  Peeps come up with a nice "little" idea and make a short.  Then along comes some dumbass with money and wants to make more money, so he turns the short into a feature, markets the nice little idea plot, and pads the thing with horseshit, releases it, makes a killing, and leaves the audience pissing all over themselves.

Perfect Example is 2016's "Lights Out", which somehow received positive word of mouth, somehow grossed $150 Million on a $5 Million budget, but was so obviously nothing more than a short idea.

I just pisses me off when shit like this makes a killing and is so stupid.


But then again, I guess in the Producer's eyes, this was pure gold, and turned into pure gold.

I just hate it when crap gets produced and then makes a ton of money.

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George Willson
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I just hate it when crap gets produced and then makes a ton of money.


I believe the official terminology for that is "lightning in a bottle." Right idea in the right hands at the right time. Boom!



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I would love to have my crap turned into gold! Or even some lesser metal.
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I always think that if a movie makes a lot of money then it's rather good than bad no matter what my personal opinion of it really is.
I don't get many good movies, some I'm even ashamed to admit. Inception for example - I'm not a fan of it. But it must be a good movie if it appeals to many and made quite a buck because of that.
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Dreamscale
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I always think that if a movie makes a lot of money then it's rather good than bad no matter what my personal opinion of it really is.


Not true...not true at all.
  
here's a great example...

The Devil Inside - 2012.  WWBO - $102 Million.  Production Budget - $1 Million.Rotten Tomatoes rating - 6%.

This is widely viewed as one the worst movies ever in recent history, yet it made a literal killing.

Bottom line - movie goers are dumb suckers.

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Quoted from Dreamscale

The Devil Inside - 2012.  WWBO - $102 Million.  Production Budget - $1 Million.Rotten Tomatoes rating - 6%.

Hmm, this is very weird. But I checked it out on imdb - it made well over the budget and the rating is low at the same time. Just ill.
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DustinBowcot
Posted: July 25th, 2017, 4:22pm Report to Moderator
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Yes, I have to agree that a lot of money is wasted on hyped crap these days. I don't think it's a case of movie goers being suckers but more having no other choice but to take what they are given.

There's not enough pride taken in creating a great product, minds are geared toward doing just enough to trick money out of pockets.
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Dreamscale
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Quoted from DustinBowcot
There's not enough pride taken in creating a great product, minds are geared toward doing just enough to trick money out of pockets.


We agree.  This is exactly what I was trying to say!

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