This seems to have gone off at a very odd angle criticism wise. Why on earth should the person running the thing have to review scripts?? I'm at a loss, it's never happened while I've been entering so fair play for having the time to comment at all!!!!

Enjoying this one btw, the last one was fun but it's nice to have the rapid fire of some real shorties again.

Quoted from JEStaats In regards to voting, is there a chance I could get the ballot today? I'm going fishing in the boonies starting tomorrow (and why I read almost all the entries this weekend - phew!) and don't want to rely on cell coverage. I'd love to get my votes counted!

Send Don a pm. He's the one that sends those out.  

Quoted from Cameron This seems to have gone off at a very odd angle criticism wise. Why on earth should the person running the thing have to review scripts?? I'm at a loss, it's never happened while I've been entering so fair play for having the time to comment at all!!!! Enjoying this one btw, the last one was fun but it's nice to have the rapid fire of some real shorties again.

Agree - thought these were all pretty easy reads.  

Quoted from Cameron This seems to have gone off at a very odd angle criticism wise. Why on earth should the person running the thing have to review scripts?? I'm at a loss, it's never happened while I've been entering so fair play for having the time to comment at all!!!! Enjoying this one btw, the last one was fun but it's nice to have the rapid fire of some real shorties again.

Why on Earth should the person running the thing have to review scripts?  Nobody "has to" do anything, obviously.

Why should they?  Or better yet, why would they?  Well, because it's their challenge.  They came up with the parameters.   Who knows better what they intended than the person who set down the challenge?

It comes down to "being a part of the challenge", and being a part, to me at least, means reading, or at least looking at every single entry, and providing some kind of commentary on every script.

It just drives me literally crazy how peeps think they can read a few scripts and pick a winner.  Makes zero sense.

We have 28 entries here, coming from (most likely) at least 25 different writers.  How can someone read 4 or 5 scripts and say, "this one was my favorite", when they have literally no idea what the vast majority of entries even looked like?

Oh well, it is what it is.  Each to their own, I guess.

Almost done with the reads. Still need to add some comments and there are several that I want to re-read. Will get to that this week.

Twas fascinating to see how all the writers handled the no dialogue constraint. I think that aspect also provides the advantage of making us better writers - I know I learned some things for sure.

As it turns out, the heat/summer heat/cold debate isn't really going to effect my vote.

I thought 18 pretty much nailed the theme.

I thought 5 kind of got it - the link was a bit tenuous. But okay.

I thought 5 mostly missed the parameters with one completely missing.

However,  as it turns out, not really going to effect my vote ultimately. The scripts I loved/liked all hit the mark.

Quoted from Dreamscale Why on Earth should the person running the thing have to review scripts?  Nobody "has to" do anything, obviously. Why should they?  Or better yet, why would they?  Well, because it's their challenge.  They came up with the parameters.   Who knows better what they intended than the person who set down the challenge? It comes down to "being a part of the challenge", and being a part, to me at least, means reading, or at least looking at every single entry, and providing some kind of commentary on every script. It just drives me literally crazy how peeps think they can read a few scripts and pick a winner.  Makes zero sense. We have 28 entries here, coming from (most likely) at least 25 different writers.  How can someone read 4 or 5 scripts and say, "this one was my favorite", when they have literally no idea what the vast majority of entries even looked like? Oh well, it is what it is.  Each to their own, I guess.

Need to separate the issues.

- You're just wrong on the challenge coordinator needing to read the scripts. They are a non-entrant. Do you think all non-entrants should read and comment? Or just the non-entrants who are already doing extra work by coordinating the thing? I don't read all the scripts in OWCs that I don't enter - in fact, in the last one (didn't enter) I didn't comment on any of them and I feel fine about that.

- On entrants. Yes, all entrants should strive to read and comment on as many scripts as possible. We pretty much all agree on that  ideal. It's the Quid Pro Quo nature of the challenge. It's pretty much stated up front in every challenge. But,  I'm not even sure that has a real impact as most of these challenges use an average scoring system anyway (i.e., vs. a total of all votes) and the scoring is set up in a way where you are picking a winner. You're rating a script. And most importantly, I can't really remember an instance where I thought the SS collective got it wrong. i.e., somehow it always seems to work out in the wash anyway.

I've always looked at it more as you should review and comment on other people's scripts because they are reviewing and commenting on yours - reciprocity - rather than something that is needed to protect the integrity of a vote.

That's my own.  

Quoted from eldave1 Need to separate the issues. - You're just wrong on the challenge coordinator needing to read the scripts. They are a non-entrant. Do you think all non-entrants should read and comment? Or just the non-entrants who are already doing extra work by coordinating the thing? I don't read all the scripts in OWCs that I don't enter - in fact, in the last one (didn't enter) I didn't comment on any of them and I feel fine about that. - On entrants. Yes, all entrants should strive to read and comment on as many scripts as possible. We pretty much all agree on that  ideal. It's the Quid Pro Quo nature of the challenge. It's pretty much stated up front in every challenge. But,  I'm not even sure that has a real impact as most of these challenges use an average scoring system anyway (i.e., vs. a total of all votes) and the scoring is set up in a way where you are picking a winner. You're rating a script. And most importantly, I can't really remember an instance where I thought the SS collective got it wrong. i.e., somehow it always seems to work out in the wash anyway. I've always looked at it more as you should review and comment on other people's scripts because they are reviewing and commenting on yours - reciprocity - rather than something that is needed to protect the integrity of a vote. That's my own.

No, Dave, I am not "just wrong".  That's your opinion.  I do not share it.

I've run these before and I've read the entries, because it was my challenge, so of course I'm going to participate, even though I can'r participate by entering, because it wouldn't be fair.

If I don't enter a particular OWC, that's my choice and then, of course I'm not expected to read and provide feedback.

Quoted from Dreamscale No, Dave, I am not "just wrong".  That's your opinion.  I do not share it. I've run these before and I've read the entries, because it was my challenge, so of course I'm going to participate, even though I can'r participate by entering, because it wouldn't be fair. If I don't enter a particular OWC, that's my choice and then, of course I'm not expected to read and provide feedback.

On the "your wrong thing" - concur with your sentiment. I hate when people start out that way. Should simply be - I disagree.

On the issue. I would only ask you to examine your standard/premise. It appears to be two-fold:

1, I did - so they should.  Which just ends the debate. On the negative side it's akin to saying, I smoke, so they should. On the positive side, it's akin to saying I donated a kidney, so they should. i.e., it's not really an argument, it's just my standards and behavior should be copied.

2. All participants should read and comment and the person administering the challenge is a participant.  Okay - this is where we really disagree. I do not view them as a participant. I view them as an administrator.

So, guess we'l agree to disagree.

I fear the anger bunnies have been unleashed. Does anyone have some anger myxomatosis?? The obvious solution...

Quoted from CameronD

Funny.

No worries. I'm as cool as a cucumber, mate as I suppose Jeff is as well. We're just ruminating.

Quoted from Cameron I fear the anger bunnies have been unleashed. Does anyone have some anger myxomatosis?? The obvious solution...

I'm not going down that rabbit hole.

Bunny Nazi!

Quoted from Cameron I fear the anger bunnies have been unleashed. Does anyone have some anger myxomatosis?? The obvious solution...

A nice, relaxing ride on the Ass Blaster 4000 always chills me right the fuck out.

Zack

Quoted from eldave1 I'm not going down that rabbit hole. Bunny Nazi!

Hahaha, and what we need to fix a bunny nazi problem is a countryside alliance between an overweight cigar chomping deer, a rather psychotic squirrel who likes the colour red, and a woodpecker who arrived a few years late but flew in to save the day...I'm not sure that works

No anger here, either.

Like Zack, I just rode my new Arse Blaster 7500 and, boy, do I feel better!  

Actually, I just got back from the Dentist, and was told I broke a crown...another $1,000 down the shitter.