Quoted from Steve-Dave I don't think he was debating that power chords are bad. I just think he meant that anyone could do them,

Having given guitar lessons, I can tell you, not everyone can "do them." That, though, is beside the point. There is a difference between being able to imitate what another has done and actually constructing something original -- a song.

Quoted from Steve-Dave and shouldn't really be figured into the BEST guitarists list.

What, tell me, should be included in "the best guitarist" list?"

Quoted from Steve-Dave No punk bands are great guitarists,

I disagree. Simply because one plays a genera of music that isn't typically associated with musicianship, doesn't mean that they aren't musicians. My absolute favorite musician is Brian ritchie  -- a member of the Violent Femmes. Few know of him, not because he sux -- he plays numerous instruments, each one well -- but beacuse the Femmes, with the exception of a few "radio-friendly" songs, do not get air play. That said,  they don't enter into the equation.

That Page and Hendrix have captured the publics imagination is irrelavant. They're good. So what? So are a lot of others -- others that have never been heard of.  

Everyone has a different style.... to say Kurt played grunge (whatever that is?!), as if the style itself dismisses him from competition is silly.

Maybe he was trying to say that such competitions are, in themselves, silly. If so, I agree. But, having read his comments, I doubt this was his argument.

Fact is, there are GREAT musician that play all kinds of styles -- who is to say who's the best?

Quoted from Steve-Dave whether that's their goal or not is another debate. I think Kurt as well was a great song writer. In MY opinion he's the best, definitely my favorite anyways. But not top 20 guitarist though.

Kurt had an attitude, one that didn't see him trying to be the best. He was more proletarian. He was ALT -- no matter his popularity.

Quoted from Steve-Dave When I think of guitarists I think more of Hendrix or Zach Wylde or Jimmy Page,

why?

Quoted from Steve-Dave I don't know how Kurt got in there though.

Because he was great, like Lennon.

Quoted from Steve-Dave I don't get lists like that anyways. or award ceremonysd either. How do you give an award or create a list based on other people's opinions?

Exacly! ... I think we probably agree.

Kurt was the one muscian that made me feel human -- the one that I connected with.

Seth

You got me on that one, Greg. Good shot. In fact, a bull's eye!

I went back and changed it to grammar, after checking the dictionary. I honestly thought it was "er". Duh. Glad you spotted that big blunder. I make plenty of them all the time.

I added humor to the list, which I meant to put in before. So often the laugh is on our own selves, as I sure proved by spelling grammar wrong! Geeez. (blush)

I have trouble with those "er", "ar", and "or" word endings. Sometimes I'm just too dang lazy to look them up. Another bad habit to break. Sigh.

A Kurt comment: I never heard any band equal his industrial sound. He said, himself, he borrowed from pop music. Whatever his personal faults, the guy was one raging original.

I wasn't trying to debate you Seth. Personally, I think you're incorporating more of their style than their ability. Which, to me are two different things. coming up with a riff and constructing a song doesn't really demonstrate you knowledge of the guitar in my opinion. I can play guitar too, and am content with the level I can play, but I  can still say that there's lots of other guitarists who are a lot better than me. The same way I think there's a lot that are better than Kurt. But like I said, opinions are opinions, and we could go back and forth all day. And I've tried to teach people guitar too, and the only ones who couldn't do a power chord are simply the ones who wouldn't practice, but power chords are still easier than playing a Zach Wyld or Dimebag Darrel song, was the point I was trying to make.

Quoted from Seth What, tell me, should be included in "the best guitarist" list?"

Thats a hard one, but i think it should be decided up the guitarists versatility and technical abilities, Surely Zappa, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Eddie hazel are awesome technical players, but how far does there imagination reach? Brain May would be a great contender because he's versatile and technically flawless. but again, like sryknows said, these are based purely on opinion.

Quoted from Seth Everyone has a different style.... to say Kurt played grunge (whatever that is?!), as if the style itself dismisses him from competition is silly.

Grunge was synonymous for its distorted sound and lack of.... guitar mastery. Doesn't make it any less of great music because it had a great emotionally attached sound.

Quoted from Seth why?

Okay lets say a kid is just learning how to play guitar. In front of him he has two sheets of music. About a Girl by Nirvana and Little Wing by Hendrix. What one would he learn first?

Quoted from Seth Because he was great, like Lennon.

Lennon wasnt on the list, Harrison was, but thats an obvious thing.

Quoted from Steve-Dave I wasn't trying to debate you Seth. Personally, I think you're incorporating more of their style than their ability. Which, to me are two different things. coming up with a riff and constructing a song doesn't really demonstrate you knowledge of the guitar in my opinion. I can play guitar too, and am content with the level I can play, but I  can still say that there's lots of other guitarists who are a lot better than me. The same way I think there's a lot that are better than Kurt. But like I said, opinions are opinions, and we could go back and forth all day. And I've tried to teach people guitar too, and the only ones who couldn't do a power chord are simply the ones who wouldn't practice, but power chords are still easier than playing a Zach Wyld or Dimebag Darrel song, was the point I was trying to make.

I agree, opinions are opinions, and that's what it boils down to. As far as Zach or Dime Bag Darrel go...I give Darrel more credit. Stll, IMO, niether could write a song like Kurt.

Zach is, and Dime Bag Darrel was, proficient, but neither could touch me.

This is personal. I like more organic music -- give me The replacements. Fuck skill, I like passion. I like honesty -- and kurt was, if nothing else, honest.

Seth

3. those thick triple album covers, they never make slots big enough for them.

4. Haircuts that block sight from eyes.

5. Always wanting to have the last say in a debate:

Quoted from Seth This is personal. I like more organic music -- give me The replacements. Fuck skill, I like passion. I like honesty -- and kurt was, if nothing else, honest.

Surely Hendrix bashing around his guitar then setting it alight at monterey is full of passion. Cobain may have jumped into Grohls drums but did he ever set them alight?

Quoted from Alex J. Cooper Thats a hard one, but i think it should be decided up the guitarists versatility and technical abilities, Surely Zappa, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Eddie hazel are awesome technical players, but how far does there imagination reach? Brain May would be a great contender because he's versatile and technically flawless. but again, like sryknows said, these are based purely on opinion.

Yep, it all boils down to opinion.

Quoted from Alex J. Cooper Grunge was synonymous for its distorted sound and lack of.... guitar mastery. Doesn't make it any less of great music because it had a great emotionally attached sound.

Again, I agree.

Quoted from Alex J. Cooper Okay lets say a kid is just learning how to play guitar. In front of him he has two sheets of music. About a Girl by Nirvana and Little Wing by Hendrix. What one would he learn first?

That, I think, would depend on what s/he is most interested in. I think, even the most simple song, even a two chord song, like About A Girl, can be beautiful and well worth leraning.

In any case, point taken.

Quoted from Alex J. Cooper Lennon wasnt on the list, Harrison was, but thats an obvious thing.

Why? ...maybe I don't know enough about the Beatles... But I love Lennon. Harrison, I like for his mid-eastern riffs, if you can call 'em that.

The best bands IMO are:

Pink Floyed
The Beatles
The Doors
Black Sabbath

In that order...my opinion only.

They are not the bands I like the most. I like 'em and acknowledge their brillance. Still, I prefer others for less logical reasons. Reasons that I can't fully articulate.

Somethings simply can't be explained, my interest in the Moldy Peaches, for example.

It really does come down to opinion -- what interests you, what excites you -- for some it might be the doors, for others, Box Car Willie --

Who is to say whos is the best?

Seth

Quoted from Alex J. Cooper 3. those thick triple album covers, they never make slots big enough for them. 4. Haircuts that block sight from eyes. 5. Always wanting to have the last say in a debate: Surely Hendrix bashing around his guitar then setting it alight at monterey is full of passion. Cobain may have jumped into Grohls drums but did he ever set them alight?

LOL ... True!

Quoted from Alex J. Cooper Surely Hendrix bashing around his guitar then setting it alight at monterey is full of passion.

I'm pretty sure that has more to do that Hendrix was probably tripping balls on acid at the time.

Quoted from Seth The best bands IMO are: Pink Floyd The Beatles The Doors Black Sabbath

Close to mine, they all came from my favorite era of music.

Quoted from Steve-Dave I'm pretty sure that has more to do that Hendrix was probably tripping balls on acid at the time.

hahaha, You know that maybe have been why.

6.Unnecessary gore.

7. Seeds in fruit.

8. Seedless watermelon. A bit of a contradiction but for some reason when they take the seeds out, they take out half of the flavour.

Quoted from Takeshi I hate it when you think someone is waving to you, so you wave back, but they're actually waving to someone behind you.

LOLOL that is sooo embarassing.

1. I hate people who try and be different from everyone else for a sense of
    individuality, even though they are the same.

2. I hate big headed people who brag.

3. I hate when you go to McDonalds, ask for a plain quarter pounder, you wait for
    the whole of 30 mins, they bring you it and still gt it wrong.

4. i hate how Scorsese hasn't got an oscar.

5.I hateeeee straight to video movies such as air bud,which has brought out a whole
   of like 6 sequels. And also Beetvoven. Theres like 5 of them. Although i enjoyed
   American Pie BandCamp.

6. I hate the academy. Paul Haggis and Clint Eastwood must love them.

lol, that's enough of the whining.

PS, I hate how they brought out an American Psycho 2.

I hate when you're having a conversation with someone and a third party butts in and begins a new conversion with the person you were talking to.

However, I've worked out a way to combat them. You just wait for a pause in the conversation and then turn to the original person you were talking to and say: "So what were we talking about?". The third party usually slinks off then.  

I prefer Cousins myself. I hate subway.

Can't someone start a Love thread instead?

Hate is a strong word. I honestly don't hate anyone or anything (besides the obvious, like wars and terrorists).