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Old Time Wesley
Posted: May 19th, 2009, 3:18pm Report to Moderator
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The Spock/Ulhura affair was definitely a WTF moment.   However, what surprises me the most is that you guys are accepting the hokey time travel plot.  Through a black hole? Pleeeease!


The major thing about it is watch the end of Voyager and DS9 and tell me if this is out of the blue and hokey for "Star Trek"

If anything they stole a plot line from Voyager.


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Sorry guys to spoil your party, but it's rather frustrating for us not leaving outside the USA, to read threads and spoilers about films not on our screens yet.

Hope you understand

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I don't know how they did it but somehow, this ended up being a pretty kickass movie. I've never been a fan of Star Trek and even less of a fan of J.J. Abrams. I opted to see this after my sister told me it was good. This is coming from someone with seemingly zero tolerance for sci-fi, mind you. So I took it as good advice, which is was. Despite a few disorienting moments, this makes for an excellent IMAX flick.

A lot of people have called this the "Batman Begins" of Star Trek, although I saw this more as an attempt to make something generally perceived as nerdy "sexy" and "badass." Did it work? I wouldn't apply either buzzword to the franchise as a whole but this one did give it a little pizazz. Plus the scene with the dinosaur/beetle/whatever creature was pretty damn sweet. The dialogue, with the exception of lines taken directly from the original "Star Trek," was actually pretty impressive, despite a few instances of on-the-nose. Acting wasn't bad either (Simon Pegg's always fun, isn't he?). Only real issues I had with the movie as a whole were the unintentionally comical Russian kid, a terribly miscast Karl Urban, and two of the worst cameos in any film I've ever seen (Tyler Perry and Winona Ryder).

Overall... nice!


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...what surprises me the most is that you guys are accepting the hokey time travel plot.  Through a black hole? Pleeeease!


Eh...it's time travel.  For me, if you are even gonna buy into the concept of time travel in the first place, how you actually accomplish it becomes less important.


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...the crappy CGI monster on the ice planet.


Yeah, I forgot about that part.  Looked like something right out of "Cloverfield", didn't it?


Quoted from Michel
...it's rather frustrating for us not leaving outside the USA, to read threads and spoilers about films not on our screens yet.


All the movie discussion threads on any board will have spoilers, Michel.  You need to avoid the threads if they trouble you -- as simply asking everyone nicely to label their spoilers does not work, you know?

Or were you asking something else?  It wasn't entirely clear....  


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I was only talking about my frustration to see movies in France sometimes several weeks after they're out in the US. That's all.

Anyway, it's up to me to not read after all...

Michel


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They did a marvelous job with this! I loved it!!!

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How can you use black holes for time travel?

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q285.html

However, it is called Science 'Fiction' for a reason.  So far as our science shows today, not much of Star Trek is realistic.  Warp what?  



Steven, your post proved my point.  You can't travel into the past using a black hole and you cannot travel through an event horizon.  You may only approach the hole and make use of it's relativistic effects to travel into the future (and that will only help you if you can both avoid the effects its gravity while travelling and escape its gravity when you are done).

Changing science fact in your sci-fi does not make it sci-fi, it makes it fantasy.

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Steven, your post proved my point.  You can't travel into the past using a black hole and you cannot travel through an event horizon.  You may only approach the hole and make use of it's relativistic effects to travel into the future (and that will only help you if you can both avoid the effects its gravity while travelling and escape its gravity when you are done).

Changing science fact in your sci-fi does not make it sci-fi, it makes it fantasy.



Nobody's post 'proved' anything.  From the linked article:

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Black holes can be used to travel into the future only. So far as we know, our universe prohibits traveling into the past.


So far as we know.  It's all theory, until someone makes the actual journey, and will probably remain so for quite some time.  They have taken no scientific 'fact' and changed it, since it is theory.  It's still science fiction.



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So far as we know.  It's all theory, until someone makes the actual journey, and will probably remain so for quite some time.  They have taken no scientific 'fact' and changed it, since it is theory.  It's still science fiction.



Even if you stretch the facts real far, you can't travel through an event horizon or probably even get very close to a black hole without getting crushed.  And it isn't going to accidentally happen to your ship. Your ship would need to be prepared for it.  
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Even if you stretch the facts real far, you can't travel through an event horizon or probably even get very close to a black hole without getting crushed.  And it isn't going to accidentally happen to your ship. Your ship would need to be prepared for it.  


That makes sense.  I still can't wait to see the movie!  



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It's good but not wonderful.  

The time travel idea was okay.  Spock and Ulhura hooking up was a surprise.

The teleporting graphics has been jazzed up.  And the camera work in space kinda reminds me of how BattleStar Galactica the new series was filmed.

With the Vulcan planet getting destroyed, I wonder where this leaves the next instalment of the franchise?

Some of the comic moments were unnecessary also.


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Well, I got the DVD for Christmas. . . and I LOVE it!  This movie rocks.  The guy who played Spock was so spot on perfect it wasn't funny, and Simon Pegg IS Scotty as young feller!  I will watch it again and again and again. . .ad infinitum!


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Well, I got the DVD for Christmas. . . and I LOVE it!  This movie rocks.  The guy who played Spock was so spot on perfect it wasn't funny, and Simon Pegg IS Scotty as young feller!  I will watch it again and again and again. . .ad infinitum!


Did you get the version that the dvd case IS the Enterprise? I was angry when I had to assemble and store a ship as my DVD case.


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Did you get the version that the dvd case IS the Enterprise? I was angry when I had to assemble and store a ship as my DVD case.


No, and I'm glad I didn't.  Mine just slides right there on the shelf with the other DVDs.  



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