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Saw this last night and was moderately surprised. Sure, the previews looked cool and all, but they don't prepare you for how awesome this movie really is. MUCH better than T3(which I liked, by the way) and maybe as good as the original.

The story this time around is much darker than before. Don't be mistaken, this is NOT a popcorn flick. This an epic war drama and it is by far the best movie so far this year(yes, better than Star Trek).The film basically follows John Connor as he becomes the leader of the resistance and gives humanity hope. Obviously more is going on than this, but I'm gonna stay away from spoilers.

Christian Bale is good, but it's Sam Worthington who steals the show. He is one of the most interesting characters in this series. You'll be rooting for him in the end.

I lied when I said I'd give no spoilers... but I can't hold this in.

SPOILERS BELOW!!!





























My favorite part was when John comes face to face with Arnold. I smiled ear to ear and cheered "HE'S BACK!".













So yeah, I really REALLY liked this flick. If you are a Terminator fan, check it out. If you're not a fan... CHECK IT OUT!

10 out of 10

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This opens in Australia tomorrow (the 21st). I am a huge Terminator series fan and when I read about this ages ago, thought I might go see it (i don't go the movies at all - don't really have the time) I'd seen T2 and T3 at the cinema so thought, yeah why not.
But after looking at trailers and stuff, i won't worry about it. The best part of the first three, I felt, was the jarring concept of the Terminators being in everyday America. it made it less sci-fi and more drama. Now, this new one is set in the future, in the war we all know about from the others. so really, it just becomes a futuristic war movie, like a violent Star Wars or any other sci-fi action flick. I know you can't keep having Terminators going back in another movie; that would be overkill. but it just doesn't feel the same.
Look, that's just my opinion obviously, so enjoy it.
Ps another factor is Bale as John Connor. He was average in an average dark knight so...
also the bad press that T3 got annoys me a little; Leonard Maltin, a respected film critic, gives it three stars in his movie review annual, and I think it was tops as well. In my top ten list of fave movies, I have the Terminator series down as one pick, instead of the three seperate movies. Same with LOTR.



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I thought it was good, lots of action and thrills, but no story, I mean yeah there is, but I mean no character development at all.

7/10


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My thoughts on the film are best described by Jhonen Vasquez, creator of Invader Zim:

"Just picture the camera pulling up and away from me as I raise my clenched fists in the rain, crying out 'McGeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!'"

It felt like a direct-to-dvd Terminator film.  The fight with Arnold was cool though.


EDIT:  On Facebook, my friend summed up all of my problems with the film better than I probably ever could.  Needless to say, I didn't hate it as much as he did, but he brings up some good points.


Quoted from friend's review

***LOTS OF SPOILERS***
How bad is Terminator Salvation? Is it the worst of the Terminator films? Easily. Is it on the fast track towards the pantheon of forgettable summer blockbusters like The Island or Superman Returns? Definitely. Could the film just as easily have been called Robot Wars or Machine Battle and have had the same impact on the Terminator universe? Sadly, yes. Terminator Salvation, a film I've anticipated for almost a year now, is a colossal disappointment from beginning to end. It's technically inept, dramatically empty and right now, I can't think of a worse way to spend $8.50. While some individual scenes in the film are alright if taken by themselves, they ultimately add up to nothing. Terminator Salvation plays like a Uwe Boll film with good production values; nobody does anything for any other reason to advance the plot forward, and they all look as bored as we are doing it; the more you think about what actually happens in the plot of this film, the more glaringly apparent it becomes that it was assembled so haphazardly that trying to contextualize anything in it makes the whole sorry piece of shit collapse on itself like a $200 million house of cards. Why does Skynet, a system so intelligent that it becomes self-aware and is on the brink of destroying mankind, not IMMEDIATELY kill Kyle Reese when they found him, instead of using him as bait? I mean, the film makes it clear that the machines know who he is, so why fuck about? Also, why would Skynet even bother to utilize a machine like Marcus, a machine capable of DISOBEYING it, possibly even destroying it? And while we're on the topic of Skynet, what the fuck? At the end of T3, we're told that Skynet doesn't have a central location, and that it exists in the fabric of the global computer infrastructure and is therefore impossible to destroy. Why would Skynet then (again, a self-aware system), decide later to erect an HQ that, were it to be destroyed by a certain freethinkin' robot that it may or may not have under its command, would severely hamper their mission to eradicate all of mankind? Why, because the plot requires it, that's why! Also, the end of the film casually tells us that "Hey! That's just one of Skynet's bases! There's more for us to destroy, and they're conveniently located in (presumably) similar mind-fuckingly retarded sequels!" While I'm on the topic of the Skynet's stupidity, why does Helena Bonham Carter give a bad Bond villain speech at the end of the movie (a speech that lasts forever and tells the audience nothing it didn't already know from the prologue)? Why does all the acting suck? Christian Bale looks talks and acts as though he's got chronic migraines and two-plus week bout of constipation. Also, he spends most of his time yelling into a walkie-talkie and looking dour; he's supposed to emerge as the Leader of the Resistance by the film's end, The Last, Best Hope of Humanity - but how does it end? With Connor flown away in a helicopter, a wounded little pussy who just had a heart transplant successfully (!?) performed on him in a desert near the site of a nuclear explosion. Yeah. THAT'S gonna last. But Bale's remarkably uninteresting John Connor isn't the only one who sucks. Sam Worthington can't keep a consistent accent to save his soul. Moon Bloodgood takes the stereotypical Ambiguous Female Action Sub-Character role to new highs (lows?) - take that, Angelina Jolie from Wanted! Common sucks, period. Bryce Dallas Howard shows all the emotional depth of a Macy's mannequin, and she also never once mentions anything about why she's carrying a pillow under her blouse; in a film so chock full of unnecessary bullshit, her pregnancy might have been an interesting topic to talk about, but the film completely ignores it. *sigh* I could go on forever. The action sequences come right of the Michael Bay playbook. The editing was atrocious (whoever thought it was a good idea to cut the OMG, Marcus Is Totes A Machine scene together the way it was needs to be fired). There were no lasers (remember the opening scenes from T1/T2, and the totally kick-ass lasers? WHERE THE FUCK WERE THOSE?). The product placement actually made me laugh (mankind is borderline-fucked, but Sony and Sandisk seem to be thriving). Which, in retrospect, I suppose is alright, because the movie made me want to die.

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I think, with all do respect, your friend and a lot of others have been too critical, WAY too critical. Look, the story of T4 sucks, plain and simple, but it's just meant to be taken as a fun summer action popcorn flick and that's what I took it as. The more and more you think about the story, the less you'll like it. You have to suspend disbelief, like the part where the terminator (forgot the name) hits Marcus with the stone like 3 times on his head, and Marcus doesn't get injured or show pain (Yes he was one of them but also human) you just have to suspend your belief. Sam Worthington DID a fantastic job, Bale did too, i was trying to figure out what part he did his rant in, he said it was the most intense part of the film. I guess I walked out with mixed feelings, then was a tad bit disappointed, but hey overall I liked it


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Quoted from Aaron
Look, the story of T4 sucks, plain and simple, but it's just meant to be taken as a fun summer action popcorn flick and that's what I took it as.


Yeah, I guess I didn't want to settle for a movie where the "story sucks".  
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Yep, and it's a shame because if the story was great, then I might have given it a 10/10. Since the logic of a script/movie is you have to have a good story, since this didn't, you can't help but be a tad bit disappointed. However I was amazed at how much action McG fit in here, but it's like he had no respect to the other Terminator(s)


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Whooo boy! Gotta love those long paragraphs. I guess it's about time I get new glasses.

No doubt Terminator has lots and lots of holes character and plot wise. Gives us hope doesn't it?  

What I found funny was the little girl in terminator. She never said a word throughout. People might say it's because she was traumatized. Yes, she probably was. Traumatized by the movie. No no! I'm just kidding!

I don't want to shoot down the movie. It had the effects and the action and that's really what they were going for.

The Skynet Goddess (the cancer lady) who knew the ins and outs and upside downs of skynet's devious plans and gave the lovely long exposition (which I would love to someday write and see how long it looks on a page  ) where did she come from in the Terminator universe? There is a question why they would trust her because she is after all human.

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Quoted from Sandra Elstree.

What I found funny was the little girl in terminator. She never said a word throughout. People might say it's because she was traumatized. Yes, she probably was. Traumatized by the movie. No no! I'm just kidding!


I thought about that: what purpose does she serve?  She had no backstory, no dialogue.....nothing.  I'm thinking they might have a bigger role for her in the sequel....maybe.


Quoted from Sandra Elstree.

I don't want to shoot down the movie. It had the effects and the action and that's really what they were going for.


I agree about the action and the effects, but the movie took itself WAAAY too seriously to not nitpick.  Plus, it's a beloved franchise with predecessors that relied on a whole lot more (particularly T2).
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May be a couple spoilers here.

At the beginning "Marcus" is set up to be a terminator and later he is granted access into skynet... why was the terminator shooting at him in the street? These machines have targeting that would say don't shoot at him, he is one of ours.

The logic of that scene bothered me. At that point we did not know but at the same time they could have planted a seed instead of having a plot whole.

Why would skynet have scouts without guns? They find Kyle Reese but can't do anything. It's like being a fighter with no arms or legs but everyone else has arms and legs.

I enjoyed the movie for what it ultimately is but Christian Bale should have been more of a focus.

What I got out of this movie is that we are F@#ked because we aren't really doing anything to beat them except hiding. Why didn't they use the gattling guns against them? The best weapons is the one John uses at the end and he only uses it at the end. That should be the primary weapon as regular guns take forever (Like Starship Troopers) the characters look dumb. You have this great weapon but you use this crappy one that could mean your death... alrighty slugger.

This is just my opinion though.


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Lotsa spoilers here I'm sure (not that I give a fuck).

I finally got a chance to see it yesterday and, unfortunately, it was a dissaster. After watching the trailer, I was expecting something much grander in scope yet with an underground feel to it. What we got was a standard action flick - albeit with some decent action scenes in it (though they showed all of them in the trailer as usual).

My first problem is the fact that John Connor was almost a supporting character. He was in, what, half of the movie? At best. That was a monumental mistake. It should have been all about John Connor (especially cos' Christian Bale is such an intense actor). And you know that Bale was cringing his toes when he had to deliver the "I'll be back" line. Fuuuuuuuuck. No wonder he went beserk on the set. In fact, I think shoulda went way more beserk.

Fuck the Marcus "girly" terminator sideplot. I mean, could that have been anymore predictable? And what the fuck good does it do to build an infiltrator terminator (btw. I hated all the different names they had for the various terminators in this movie) that can simply take out its chip and fuck up the plans?

My second problem is that the writers definitely had a major hard on for The Matrix when they wrote this film. John Connor is the Messiah - Neo is the One. Barf. Also the whole high command in the sub reeked of how they did it in The Matrix. And please...Michael Fucking Ironside? Now there's a zero-dimensional actor.

By the way, could the T-600 look anymore like the Nemesis creature from the Resident Evil movies? They even have the same fucking gun!

I've never been a fan of the awful actress Helena Bonham Carter, but her "acting" in this one - especially the "big reveal" - was borderline amateurish. Fuck her. Fuck the laughable CGI Arnie. And fuck anyone who calls themselves McG. What the fuck is that about?

But what is most fucked up about this movie is the plothole that's so huge you could drive the fucking Deathstar through it. Skynet wants to kill Kyle Reese - okay, I can buy that one (unless you subscribe to the multiple timeline theory - which you should!), but if John Connor fucks up Skynet, he won't have to send back Kyle Reese to the past and thus, he will never be conceived! What the fuck?

And this is supposed to be the beginning of a new trilogy?

I give this movie 2 of 10 (one for Christian Bale and the other for some decent action)


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The reviews for this movie have been horrible, but I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot better than T3 (which I also liked).

I guess since I went into the movie with very low expectations, it was easier for me to enjoy it. Personally, I thought it was on the same level with the new Star Trek, which everyone is obsessing over. Both movies had weak plots, but ST had much stronger acting where as I thought T:S had better characters and action.


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f*** the Marcus "girly" terminator sideplot. I mean, could that have been anymore predictable? And what the f*** good does it do to build an infiltrator terminator (btw. I hated all the different names they had for the various terminators in this movie) that can simply take out its chip and f*** up the plans?


I guess I'm just incredibly slow, but I didn't see that coming.


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Haven't seen the movie yet, but I will.  I recently learned that the Sarah Connor Chronicles was cancelled.  Too bad.  The show was getting good with its sci-fi aspects.


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(Probably not a good idea to read this if you haven't seen T4)


Quoted from interview with McG about T5

“I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011. John Connor is going to travel back in time and he’s going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They’ve figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than [just] one naked entity. So you’re going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be fucking awesome. I also think it’s there he’s going to meet the scientist that’s going to look a lot like present-day Robert Patrick, talking about stem-cell research and how we can all live as idealized, younger versions of ourselves.


That...sounds...horrible.

It also sounds like it's going to take the paradoxes of the Terminator series to a whole new level.
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I love this movie. I honestly don't see why people are bashing it. Too each his own I guess.

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