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Saw this earlier this morning.

The plot basically concerns a couple of newlyweds whose honeymoon in Hawaii turns deadly when they become involved with a series of brutal murders.

I enjoyed it, even though I predicted the movie's twist in the first ten minutes.

The landscapes were beautiful, and the acting was above par for the most part (Olyphant stole every scene). There is some blood and gore, including one of the most realistic knife stabbings ever, but none of it feels gratutious or out of place.

However, as much as I enjoyed the movie, there was only one thing on my mind when it was over:

Dreamscale is going to be extremely pissed.


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Saw it early this morning after our 3-d sonogram... I couldn't help but be bored to tears by it. One of those movies that you've seen a million times over. It's a pass situation.
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It's almost painful how badly they foreshadow the twist.

Scratch that, it is painful.
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I have the script but after reading this, I might not read it. Is it thrilling or just nothing really happens?


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Sham, you ain’t kidding I’m pissed with this movie!  I was so looking forward to seeing it, and it was absolutely terrible.

SPOILERS!!!!!     SPOILERS!!!!!     SPOILERS!!!!!     SPOILERS!!!!!

First of all, I think your comment was intended to mean that this is similar to my Fade to White.  Yes, there are similarities in the overall (perceived) theme, but the execution was not handled well at all, and this makes me even more confident that I’ve really got something special in my script.  In many ways, this was a polar opposite of my script, but there were definitely a number of things it shares in common.

They really blew it with the advertising campaign here.  To promote a movie on a “twist ending you’ll talk about long after the movie is over” is a big mistake, especially when there were so few possible twists, etc.

As Balt said, I was bored to death with this.  Way, way too slow in the beginning, and really, way too slow throughout until the very end.  Although they had such a beautiful backdrop to work with, they did not utilize it properly at all.  If nothing else, I thought based on the scenery alone, it would be a good view, but it sure wasn’t.

I wish I had timed certain things here, to get an idea of how slow it really was.  I’ll estimate that not a single interesting thing happened in the first 20 minutes.  When potentially interesting things did happen, they were not visually interesting at all.  For a thriller/horror movie, there were very, very few memorable scenes, and all in all, replay value has got to be about zero.

Not showing the original killings was a big mistake, as we needed something to happen early on to get us into the mindset that this is a horror/thriller type movie.  Introing characters as obviously “antagonistic” or “protaganistic” was also a big mistake, because based on the add campaign, it was so obvious what was going to go down.

Another big issue was the way that everyone was so scared about these killers on the loose. It took away the tension, and pretty much had the opposite effect they were going for.  It became a who done it, with so few possibilities, that everything else that was going on didn’t matter at all.

I did not think that Steve Zahn and Milla Jojovich did a good job in their roles.  They just didn’t come across as a couple, even though Twohy tried so hard to make them out to be this loving, innocent couple on vacation.  I really didn’t buy it for a second, but maybe that has something to do with the marketing again.  I did, however, think that Olyphant and Sanchez did a very good job, and I liked their characters, although Olyphant went a bit overboard most of the time.

For an R rated horror/thriller, this was incredibly lame, other than probably 2 things…the knife wound to Zahn’s hand, and the knife in Sanchez’s leg.  No sex or nudity either, and really not that much in terms of foul language, brutality, scares, etc..  I rarely if ever say that a horror movie should be rated PG 13, but I think this was a rare case in that it should have, and would have upped the take at the box office.  Nothing here, as shot, needed to be R rated.  Yes, it could easily have included more R rated stuff, but they missed the mark here again.

Some things that really bugged me – The fact that the dude from the store hiked in after Zahn to give him his permits was just downright stupid and foolish.  C’mon…unbelievably ridiculous!  The flashback scene was absolutely terrible.  First of all, it was completely misplaced, and secondly, it was insanely too long.  It completely took us out of what was going on, and at the time, things were finally heating up.

I’m really quite surprised how bad this turned out, as I like David Twohy’s work, for the most part.  I don’t see who else to blame here, considering he wrote and directed it.  Did ROGUE mess with the original idea?  Who knows, but usually when a movie is written and directed by the same person, it’s his vision.

Finally, a couple more things to discuss.  This had a budget of $14 Million.  Other than possibly filming on location and some upper B list talent, what did this budget go for?  Very little in the way of FX, very little in action scenes and stunt work, very, very little in gore, etc.  It just didn’t come across like a $14 Million film, and they’re obviously not going to recap it at the box office.

This had a running time of 1 hour and 37 minutes, yet it felt like it ran over 2 hours!  It was just so slow, dull, and full of mundane scenes, where characters talked and talked, usually in 2’s or a foursome.  The vast majority of the locations looked exactly alike, which was a problem.  Take out that flashback, and we’ve got a movie that runs under an hour and half, but feels like a 2 hour slug.

Very disappointed in this in literally every way.  I was expecting so much more.

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Damn, I forgot to mention 3 other big problems I had with this...

MORE SPOILERS!!!!!     MORE SPOILERS!!!!!     MORE SPOILERS!!!!!

1)  The "reason" that Sanchez' character "knew" who the killers were was very poorly done, and if you really think about it, didn't make any sense.  That brief picture of the "real" wedding couple, first of all, looked alot like Zahn and Jojovich.  Wether or not it actually was them, wouldn't mean anything, anyway.  Who cares if there's a picture of 2 people who just got married, that wasn't them?  Does that mean all of a sudden that they're killers?  No, it does not.  WEAK!

2)  Zahn's plan to kill off the final 2 was also very poorly planned out, and most likley wouldn't have worked, no matter how it played out.  There were numerous people at the beach, meaning that the killers were going to have to kill them all.  Stealing the 2 kayaks was just plain dumb.  If nothing else, why not just borrow them/pay for them, like he told Olyphant's character?  Why set off these people for no reason?  What was supposed to happen when Zahn got back by himself, with only 1 kayak?

3)  Why were Zahn and Jojovich killing these people anyways?  I can see why they'd kill the first 2...to steal their identity.  But why go after Olyphant and Sanchez?  Why involve all the people at the beach?  There's just no reason that I can come up with, and thinking back about these things, irks me even more.

WEAK!!!!!!

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I haven't seen this film, so are the killers the married couple? Because if so I guessed that just from the marketing. They probably should have done that differently.


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I don't want to give everything away, but I pretty much did already in my 2 posts.

BIGGEST SPOILERS OF ALL!!!!!     BIGGEST SPOILERS OF ALL!!!!!

Yes, the killers are the married couple, Zahn and Jojovich.  As I said, based on the marketing, and lack of possible antags, it is pretty obvious very early on.

It's shockingly just a really dull, boring movie.  Nothing memorable or interesting happens at all.  Very, very WEAK!!!  Surprisingly, Rotten Tomatoes has it at 54% approval, which is pretty damn good for a horror flick.  Seems that critics either liked it or did not like it.  Not much in between.  I did not like it at all, and I was so looking forward to it.

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Usually I would be pissed with such blatant spoilers in a review thread.

But, In this case I don't care, I have only seen the trailer once and immediately assumed that the "nice" couple were the baddies. To have it confirmed is not a bad thing, probably saved me 90 minutes of my life.
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Sorry about the SPOILERS!  I went back and modified my postings with SPOILER ALERTS.

I thought it was quite obvious based on the previous posts, but in looking back at them, they didn't actually give anything away.

My bad...hope no one else was annoyed by these.

PS - Murphy, you saved 1 hour and 37 minutes of your life...pluss the time for the trailers, the drive to and from the theater, the walk in and out, and most importantly, the days you'd be pissed of thinking about it!

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From the screenplay:




Ugh.  He probably thought he was being soooo clever here.

I mean, get it?  The characters are talking about the movie you're watching!
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Haha, like I said Jeff, not annoyed in this case.
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Yeah, all that stuff about screenwriting was terrible. I was literaly rolling my eyes, and applying pressure to my temples, which were pounding.

It was this kind of stuff, long before any marketing campaign that seriously made everything so damn obvious and predictable.  I mean, c'mon...WTF?

Twohy is a good writer, too.  At least I always thought he was...
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Quoted from Dreamscale
Twohy is a good writer, too.  At least I always thought he was...



Maybe this was his one bad day at the keyboard.



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Quoted from Aaron



Maybe this was his one bad day at the keyboard.



You said it right... "ONE BAD DAY" cos' it clearly seemed like it was written in one day.
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He was given a $14 Million budget and was writer and director, so I ccan't really say it was a bad day at the keyboard.  It wasn't well thought through or executed though...
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It only got 6 M this weekend. With all the horrible reviews it'll probably only land 11-12 M. That's pretty bad.


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Reviews have not been very bad, actually, but you're probably correct that it won't even recap it's production budget at the box office, which is sad and WEAK!!!!!!

But Twohy made over a million bucks for his work here...

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I guess that's one positive thing for him to look at here. I too noticed the similarities it has to Fade To White from the plot. But I mean it sounds as if they are real loose similarities.  


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Sham, you ain’t kidding I’m pissed with this movie!  I was so looking forward to seeing it, and it was absolutely terrible.

SPOILERS!!!!!     SPOILERS!!!!!     SPOILERS!!!!!     SPOILERS!!!!!

First of all, I think your comment was intended to mean that this is similar to my Fade to White.  Yes, there are similarities in the overall (perceived) theme, but the execution was not handled well at all, and this makes me even more confident that I’ve really got something special in my script.  In many ways, this was a polar opposite of my script, but there were definitely a number of things it shares in common.

Yeah, this is what I was referring to. The film almost felt like a duplicate of Fade to White. The only difference besides the obvious change of setting is the approach to the material. A Perfect Getaway was written with tongue planted firmly in cheek, whereas Fade to White took itself 100% serious. It almost feels like two writers were handed the same story and just ran with it.


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They really blew it with the advertising campaign here.  To promote a movie on a “twist ending you’ll talk about long after the movie is over” is a big mistake, especially when there were so few possible twists, etc.

I completely agree with this. If they didn’t advertise the twist as the second coming of Jesus, it might have been a little more surprising. I blame the studio more than I do David Twohy.


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Not showing the original killings was a big mistake, as we needed something to happen early on to get us into the mindset that this is a horror/thriller type movie.

I’m not so sure about this. Roger Ebert said in his review of the film he was shocked when the horror elements kicked in because he thought it was a comedy. I don’t think he would have enjoyed the film if he knew right away it was a thriller.

I think that’s the problem with movies today. We base our expectations on the film’s exposure more than the film itself. How many people went absolutely apeshit when the first Cloverfield preview came out? It was the smartest marketing for a movie because it didn’t market anything, not even a title. Just a date. See it or don’t. It was ingenious.

And remember, Dreamscale, some stories—especially with horror movies—start in the middle. Psycho had absolutely zero horror elements until the shower scene. So saying A Perfect Getaway should set its tone by showing the murders right away is like saying Psycho would have made a better film if we saw Norman poison his mother in the beginning. It just doesn’t work.

Anyway, even though I enjoyed A Perfect Getaway, I admit it does have its flaws, and I actually hope they help you out, Dreamscale. Think of this movie like a blueprint for what works on film and what doesn’t. It’ll help when you go over your own script, since it’s so similar, and you’ll see things you didn’t before, like when a scene runs on for too long, or when a character says something that no ordinary person would say.

This movie just might be a blessing in disguise.


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How many people went absolutely apeshit when the first Cloverfield preview came out? It was the smartest marketing for a movie because it didn’t market anything, not even a title. Just a date. See it or don’t. It was ingenious.



That's kind of like District 9's marketing, at least in the beginning it was. Even if they used it for A Perfect Getaway, I still don't think it would have worked.


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Sham, I feel compelled to respond to your post, as I really do not agree with anything you’ve said here, other than the marketing campaign being a big mistake.

In no way do I see this movie as a duplicate of my script.  The only thing they really share is the premise…a seemingly innocent couple go on a killing spree.  The setup, execution, and feel are night and day…or maybe Hawaii in Summer and Colorado in Winter.  I also do not feel that Perfect Getaway was tongue in cheek.  You’re probably saying that, based on all the banter about screenwriting, but IMO, that was merely a misfire, and an attempt at muddying the waters as to who the killers were.

Perfect Getaway was billed as a horror/thriller, but the problem is that it isn’t either.  As far as I can remember, there was only 1 onscreen kill of a named character.  That in itself, is a HUGE problem.  I think there were a total of 7 kills, 5 being onscreen, but all 5 come within a 10 minute period of time, right at the very end of the movie.  Again, a HUGE issue that cannot be overcome, any way you look at it.

Although I have absolutely nothing against Roger Ebert, he is far from the intended audience here.  The fact that he was shocked by anything here other than its complete ineptitude, and that he thought it was a comedy, says a lot for where his mind may be, these days.

There is nothing shocking about this movie.  Period.  The set up makes it completely obvious where it’s going, and with so few possibilities, how can it be seen as a shock?  It’s either one way or the other way, and at 50/50, I don’t see how “shocking” could even come into play.

A comedy?  Huh?  I wonder if he was smoking crack, like Cliff and Cydney?  Sure, Nick was funny at times, and definitely tried to be, but it was way too over the top and too frequent to actually be funny.  The tone was set early on about a killer lose in Hawaii, so I just don’t quite understand that line of thinking.

Sure, Cloverfield’s marketing was pure genius, but it was a unique situation.  Don’t think that will work every time, or any other time.  After time, they slowly released little teasers here and there, and it was very effective.  Cloverfield was also a rather unique, big movie that played out different than what the masses were used to.  It was also well done, IMO.

Just about all stories start somewhere, other than the very beginning.  Even if you think a movie is starting at the beginning, if it’s a semi-realistic story, there is much more to the story than you’re going to see on screen.  That is obvious.

I’m sure I’m going to draw some ire, with this comment, but I’m going to go for it.  Psycho is far from a good example here, or in general, when discussing what makes a movie work.  Don’t get me wrong, for what it was, and when it came out, Psycho is a classic, but as a horror movie, or even as an example in story/plot, I don’t think it makes any sense to compare these 2 movies.

The point I made about Perfect Getaway was to “show” the original murders.  I did not mean, to show Cliff and Cydney commit the murders.  This kind of movie needs to set the stage, set the tone, etc., early on to make it effective, IMO.  They chose not to do that here.  For this reason and many others, the movie was not effective.  And it’s sad, cause it could have been.

I’m really surprised you enjoyed this, Sham.  Actually, more like shocked.  I not only wanted to like it, but also was pretty sure I’d love it.  After 20 minutes or so, I could already tell it was a huge misfire, and things really didn’t get much better when the action heated up a little.

As I mentioned earlier, I agree that this film does help.  It gives me even more confidence than I had earlier with my script.  I see a completely inferior script, in literally every way, get turned into a $14 Million picture with a good cast, and I know it’s just a matter of time for Fade to White to hit.

If any of my scenes end up running too long, they’ll be cut back…simple as that.  But again, my scenes do not share very much with these scenes.  I have so many more characters involved at all times, in so many more settings, with so many more possibilities and opportunities.  This is what doomed this movie…so few characters, so few settings, and so few possibilities and opportunities.
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In no way do I see this movie as a duplicate of my script.  The only thing they really share is the premise…a seemingly innocent couple go on a killing spree.  The setup, execution, and feel are night and day…or maybe Hawaii in Summer and Colorado in Winter.  I also do not feel that Perfect Getaway was tongue in cheek.  You’re probably saying that, based on all the banter about screenwriting, but IMO, that was merely a misfire, and an attempt at muddying the waters as to who the killers were.

Dreamscale, you know I enjoyed Fade to White, and I have the utmost respect for you, so please don't think I'm trying to start something here.

Now I know this isn't something you want to hear, but from a third person perspective, and I still stand by this, the two scripts felt very similar to me. Both scripts have a young married couple on vacation. There's a murder. The married couple meets up with other couples. One of the guys they meet has a history of violence. There's talk at one point about one of the couples wanting a baby. Then after some time spent getting to know everyone, the tables turn, and the sweet married couple goes on a killing spree.

Now as similar as the two scripts are, I don't think your script is a duplicate of the other. I said it almost feels like one, but it's not. If I thought your script was an exact copy of A Perfect Getaway, I would have told you to just throw it out and start over. I think your script is incredibly similar, yes, but different enough to still be it's own thing.


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Perfect Getaway was billed as a horror/thriller, but the problem is that it isn’t either.  As far as I can remember, there was only 1 onscreen kill of a named character.  That in itself, is a HUGE problem.  I think there were a total of 7 kills, 5 being onscreen, but all 5 come within a 10 minute period of time, right at the very end of the movie.  Again, a HUGE issue that cannot be overcome, any way you look at it.

This just isn't fair, Dreamscale. You can't knock a movie for its bodycount.

I think it was commendable of Twohy to write his action scenes with just enough violence without resorting to a major death every time. As soon as the movie kicks into gear, it doesn't stop moving because the characters don't. What good would this movie be if Nick died in the cove and Gina died from the knife wound?

That's the difference between this movie and soooo many others like it. I wasn't wondering when and how Gina was going to die. I was wondering if and how she was going to make it out alive. I really admired the two protagonists in this movie.


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There is nothing shocking about this movie.  Period.  The set up makes it completely obvious where it’s going, and with so few possibilities, how can it be seen as a shock?  It’s either one way or the other way, and at 50/50, I don’t see how “shocking” could even come into play.

Look, I'm not going to argue that I was disappointed in the twist.

However, I spent the majority of the movie wondering when it was going to happen since I already knew what. I was still intrigued.


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The point I made about Perfect Getaway was to “show” the original murders.  I did not mean, to show Cliff and Cydney commit the murders.  This kind of movie needs to set the stage, set the tone, etc., early on to make it effective, IMO.  They chose not to do that here.  For this reason and many others, the movie was not effective.  And it’s sad, cause it could have been.

How many times has that been done before, though? Just about every slasher movie, including my own! I thought the film started where it needed to: a happy couple recording the beginning of their honeymoon. I respected the film for not including violence just for the sake of violence.


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I’m really surprised you enjoyed this, Sham.  Actually, more like shocked.  I not only wanted to like it, but also was pretty sure I’d love it.  After 20 minutes or so, I could already tell it was a huge misfire, and things really didn’t get much better when the action heated up a little.

I thought the payoff was worth it. Yes, I predicted the twist, but I enjoyed the ride anyway. That's it.


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As I mentioned earlier, I agree that this film does help.  It gives me even more confidence than I had earlier with my script.

Then I think you got your money's worth.


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Sham, I don’t mean to be argumentative either.  Just like a good discussion every now and then.

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"Perfect Getaway" can easily be classified in the same category as "Vacancy" and several other go nowhere movies... "Vacancy" had no element of surprise to it's "Thriller/who-donit/Horror" theme... None. Same goes for "Perfect Getaway" we are lead by our hands through a sappy 40 min spree of mindless jimmer jam, akin to something you'd see from Judd Apatow or the guy who wrote that abysmal piece of shit "employee of the month" ... Not the Matt Dillon version, either.

Then, we're all of a sudden tossed into a make-shit horror/thriller/slasher/killer movie... It's absurd. It's taking a typical set up and then, instead of shifting into 2nd, they shift into reverse.

I don't care that you all loved it or hated it... This is my own opinion and why "I" found it to be typical and boring. Debate with yourselves all you want... but you have a right to post your opinion on a film. You don't have the right to discredit the other person's opinion because "YOU" feel yours is right and their's is wrong.

Sure, some of us might have similar opinions about the film, but this isn't a tag team where it's us against you or you against us. The movie, in my opinion and many others, wasn't worth the 7 bucks. <--- Seen it in the day time. It's cheaper that way... then again, I'm a Jew.
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Posted: August 12th, 2009, 4:58pm Report to Moderator
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Got you beat, Balt...I saw it for $5 (first daily showing)!

I thought it was junk as well, but everyone has their opinion, and it's just like in all entertainment...everyone ahs different tastes, and that's what makes the world go round.
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Zack
Posted: August 13th, 2009, 6:58pm Report to Moderator
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I saw it for free(I work at the movies) . I win.

I didn't hate it, but I probably won't every watch it again.

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Andrew
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Haha. The first thing I thought before entering the thread was: I wonder how JB will feel that this movie took his twist and put it on screen.. and then I see JB saying it's almost a complete opposite! Reading this thread was more entertaining than the movie.

My 0.02 is that the notion of the protagonists in 'A Perfect Getaway' (a couple) hoodwinking the audience and actually being the antagonists echo, exactly, the couple in 'Fade to White'. JB, I do not blame you for wanting to disassociate your script from this movie, but from the eyes of the audience, that is exactly how it comes across conceptually. Clearly, from your defence, you see no real similarity beyond that, which is fair enough. I'll be honest, mate, yours would work better on screen than this.

The whole concept of Zahn and Jovovich being the killers was predictable, but then their 'playing out' of their fear that Olyphant and Sanchez were the killers - and this being presented to us as the audience, that they were infact the prey - was handled very oddly. The section where Jovovich related the Rocky scenario was more of the subtle tone required to grow the characters and story.

The flashback was just horrible. It facilitated the whole chunk of storytelling that had been skirted over with the endless drifting of the plot. I mean, we followed the couples to the beach, and had nothing but bore factor to drive us forward. The whole screenwriting thing was like 'Scream'-lite.

This was just messy, confused and very poorly executed.

That said, it's now just over 7 days until I leave on my own 'Perfect Getaway', so I pray that I can meet a Kiele Sanchez, please.

Andrew


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Dreamscale
Posted: October 26th, 2009, 8:34pm Report to Moderator
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Hey Andrew, when I say that Fade is totally different, I mean that in several ways.  Getaway only has a few mian characters, so there really can't be much of a shock when it's revealed who the actual antags are.  It's also not revealed until basically hte finale, so it's a guessing game up to them, where mine is not, adn is revealed prior to half way though, which totally changes the feel of it.  Also, Getaway is very lame in terms of onscreen kills and violence, where as Fade is quite graphic, brutal, and in your face throughout.

Yeah, there is a twist that they share, but that's about it, as far as I see.

For once we do agree though...Fade would be MUCH better!  And it will be...soon...I hope.

We'll have to wait and see...
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